Guest guest Posted May 9, 2004 Report Share Posted May 9, 2004 Some reference points might be gleaned from the results of other CR practioners: http://profile.calorierestriction.org/cronies/default.view >From: " grey_gardens4444 " <GreyGardens4444@...> >Reply- > >Subject: [ ] Re: Hi: Any Advice? >Date: Sat, 08 May 2004 16:56:48 -0000 > > > > Male:43 > > 5 Feet 11 inches > > 165lbs > > Body Fat 9% > > > > What is a good target weight? Or how is a good target weight >determined?? > > > > Thanks > >I believe that the standard for CRON is 10-15% below " normal " body >weight. Now, that gets a bit loose when you try to determine >what " normal " body weight should be. For a male, age 43, 5'11 " , your >BMI of 23 places you squarely in the U.S. guidelines for a normal >range of 19-25 (which would span the weight range of 136-179 for you.) > >Essentially, I suppose, you need to decide for yourself what you >consider to be a " normal " setpoint weight for you and then determine >what is 10-15% below that. Using common sense, of course, meaning >that if you feel uncomfortable (cold, trouble sleeping, low energy, >frequent colds or flu) at a certain weight, you may want to up your >intake a bit. > >Best wishes. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2004 Report Share Posted May 9, 2004 I don't think these " reference " points are good examples of moderation. There is at least man who is 5'11 " and weighs 118 pds and one woman who is 5'7 " 1/2 at 90 lbs. I would call the latter anorexic. Please heed Al Pater's warning. These are extreme examples IMHO and we would like to caution moderation here. on 5/8/2004 8:57 PM, Dowling at dowlic@... wrote: > Some reference points might be gleaned from the results of other CR > practioners: > > http://profile.calorierestriction.org/cronies/default.view > > >> From: " grey_gardens4444 " <GreyGardens4444@...> >> Reply- >> >> Subject: [ ] Re: Hi: Any Advice? >> Date: Sat, 08 May 2004 16:56:48 -0000 >> >> >>> Male:43 >>> 5 Feet 11 inches >>> 165lbs >>> Body Fat 9% >>> >>> What is a good target weight? Or how is a good target weight >> determined?? >>> >>> Thanks >> >> I believe that the standard for CRON is 10-15% below " normal " body >> weight. Now, that gets a bit loose when you try to determine >> what " normal " body weight should be. For a male, age 43, 5'11 " , your >> BMI of 23 places you squarely in the U.S. guidelines for a normal >> range of 19-25 (which would span the weight range of 136-179 for you.) >> >> Essentially, I suppose, you need to decide for yourself what you >> consider to be a " normal " setpoint weight for you and then determine >> what is 10-15% below that. Using common sense, of course, meaning >> that if you feel uncomfortable (cold, trouble sleeping, low energy, >> frequent colds or flu) at a certain weight, you may want to up your >> intake a bit. >> >> Best wishes. >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2004 Report Share Posted May 9, 2004 I agree, Franscesca- Some of them are extreme examples. But, personally, I am not extreme in my diet, and I'm on that table. I think it's a rather heterogeneous group. Some are, as you note, extreme, but there are many who have posted to this group who have statistics that are equally " extreme, " either by design, or by chance, genetics, serendipidy. >From: Francesca Skelton <fskelton@...> >Reply- >< > >Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Hi: Any Advice? >Date: Sat, 08 May 2004 21:28:29 -0400 > >I don't think these " reference " points are good examples of moderation. >There is at least man who is 5'11 " and weighs 118 pds and one woman who is >5'7 " 1/2 at 90 lbs. I would call the latter anorexic. > >Please heed Al Pater's warning. > >These are extreme examples IMHO and we would like to caution moderation >here. > > >on 5/8/2004 8:57 PM, Dowling at dowlic@... wrote: > > > Some reference points might be gleaned from the results of other CR > > practioners: > > > > http://profile.calorierestriction.org/cronies/default.view > > > > > >> From: " grey_gardens4444 " <GreyGardens4444@...> > >> Reply- > >> > >> Subject: [ ] Re: Hi: Any Advice? > >> Date: Sat, 08 May 2004 16:56:48 -0000 > >> > >> > >>> Male:43 > >>> 5 Feet 11 inches > >>> 165lbs > >>> Body Fat 9% > >>> > >>> What is a good target weight? Or how is a good target weight > >> determined?? > >>> > >>> Thanks > >> > >> I believe that the standard for CRON is 10-15% below " normal " body > >> weight. Now, that gets a bit loose when you try to determine > >> what " normal " body weight should be. For a male, age 43, 5'11 " , your > >> BMI of 23 places you squarely in the U.S. guidelines for a normal > >> range of 19-25 (which would span the weight range of 136-179 for you.) > >> > >> Essentially, I suppose, you need to decide for yourself what you > >> consider to be a " normal " setpoint weight for you and then determine > >> what is 10-15% below that. Using common sense, of course, meaning > >> that if you feel uncomfortable (cold, trouble sleeping, low energy, > >> frequent colds or flu) at a certain weight, you may want to up your > >> intake a bit. > >> > >> Best wishes. > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2004 Report Share Posted May 10, 2004 As I recall, the CR mice I saw on TV were healthier, looked fatter, not really skinny mice. I realize there were tests that showed some mice were smaller, but they didn't appear "gaunt". Am I wrong about that? Maybe the healthy looking fur covers the bare bones? Regards. ----- Original Message ----- From: Francesca Skelton Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2004 8:28 PM Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Hi: Any Advice? I don't think these "reference" points are good examples of moderation.There is at least man who is 5'11" and weighs 118 pds and one woman who is5'7" 1/2 at 90 lbs. I would call the latter anorexic.Please heed Al Pater's warning.These are extreme examples IMHO and we would like to caution moderationhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2004 Report Share Posted May 10, 2004 Agreed.... I think we have much difficulty gauging amount of restriction, what is a personal set point, etc. Dog studies also showed healthy looking restricted animals..... Perhaps a useful rule of thumb, if you don't look and feel healthy, perhaps you aren't (only half joking). Due to wide variance in genetic makeup and prior experience I suspect only blood tests will be a reliable way to manage extreme CR, and we are still working to define what are those metrics. JR -----Original Message-----From: jwwright [mailto:jwwright@...]Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 11:40 AM Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Hi: Any Advice? As I recall, the CR mice I saw on TV were healthier, looked fatter, not really skinny mice. I realize there were tests that showed some mice were smaller, but they didn't appear "gaunt". Am I wrong about that? Maybe the healthy looking fur covers the bare bones? Regards. ----- Original Message ----- From: Francesca Skelton Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2004 8:28 PM Subject: Re: [ ] Re: Hi: Any Advice? I don't think these "reference" points are good examples of moderation.There is at least man who is 5'11" and weighs 118 pds and one woman who is5'7" 1/2 at 90 lbs. I would call the latter anorexic.Please heed Al Pater's warning.These are extreme examples IMHO and we would like to caution moderationhere. ________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned by Internet Pathway's Email Gateway scanning system for potentially harmful content, such as viruses or spam. Nothing out of the ordinary was detected in this email. For more information, call 601-776-3355 or email support@... ________________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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