Re: Home provocation experiments + Geopathic/electro stress

[Guest guest]

Hi Diane and all,

In my opinion Geopathic Stress (GS) is not off-topic in this list,

because is somehow that could make more acute e-sensitivities.

This is short version of my e-sens/g-sens sufferer experience:

In e-sens I have problems with CRT monitors, power lines,

WiFI, Cell phone masts, cell phones, .. and maybe other that I dont'know.

In g-sens:I know I had problems with underwater currents, hartman

crossings and curry lines, and maybe others that I don't know.

In 2003, my problems with underwater currents where in

a place with also power lines which cause a magnetic

field of 3mG (could reach 5mG in summer)

and a bad wiring (without grounding) which caused to me a

bio-voltage of 7V.

I had strong headaches and hard anxiety, imposible to relax.

I was lucky and found a doctor which was known for

treating people with e-sensitives. this doctor

told me that I have both geopathic stress and e-sensitivity.

First of all I started putting a ground in the flat.

And I had some improvements but I had also terrible headaches and I

was also exhausted. In those moment I didn't suspect that

the geopathic stress was in these place and I thought that the main

cause was the magnetic field, because I was difficult to me to

sleep and I had some symptoms related to magnetic fields exposition. I

found a good dowser that detected the underwater current

under our house. I moved to another room (with 2-2,5 mG).

It was clearly for me the best improvement I've ever made.

I was not so exhausted but many problems were still remaining.

During this years at the same time that the previous history

occurred I was living during some days per week in another

city due to my job. There I checked with a RF detector that my flat

was also exposed to mast radiation I had several cell phone masts in

the 500m surroundings one at only 80m which I think that could have

damaged me. In these place I had problems with two DECTs one of a

flat mate and another from a neighbour. And I had

also 2 DECTS irradiating in the office above mine.

I am much better compared with 4 years before but I have also

many problems with microwaves because it's difficult to

avoid this radiation.

I think that maybe I could have heavy metals and

I suspect something called demyelination.

I will be glad if someone in the group knows reliable

method to detect this problems and

could send/redirect to me/group interesting information about it?

I think that underwater currents, CRT monitors, electric fields,

and microwaves are the worst things for me.

But the thing that annoys me more is the lack of knowledge about it

from the people who should know it (doctors).

> Just a question.... What do you mean by geopathic sensitive?

I mean that in some places I react to energies coming from the ground

(terrestrial

radiation).

> I mean how do you react and how do you know that is what is causing

> the problem?

I know that I react to it because the symptoms that I experience

when I'm sleeping over underground streams: exhaustion.

My doctor used kinesiology and bioresonace with mora therapy,

and both systems detected that I have mainly energy from underground

water that was causing me problems.

It is suposed that I had been in a place over a underground stream

during certain period of time. It was my bed (detected by a

dowser or geobiologist).

Some times he detected in me energy from a curry line. It come from

my sofa (the dowser also detected curry lines in the house).

My doctor estimates that over their 5000 patients nearly 50% of

his patients have GS (obviously is a biased info taking into account

that He is known for treating GS).

> (Pennsylvania). I SEEM to be extremely bad around areas with large

> iron ore deposits. I am guessing that perhaps magnetic frequencies

> might be attracted to these areas????

Deposit minerals, faults, fractures, ley lines, radon gas, natural

radioactivity,.. are supposed also to cause geopathic stress.

I recently read about another type of terrestrial radiation called

chimneys (discovered by Guy Tison) that have a dynamic behaviour

and it seems to create harmful disturbances.

I could also consider interesting this piece of information that I found

on the web:

" According to the German scientist and expert on geopathic stress,

Dr Kohfink, there has been a huge increase in geopathic stress

since the end of the Second World War.

The reason for this , he says, is the Nuclear Weapons Testing

programme, in particular the underground nuclear tests. "

This hypothesis is very interesting for me since I thought that

only earthquakes,tectonic movements, volcanoes,.. could create new

geopathic zones...

According to the STANDARD OF BAUBIOLOGIE METHODS OF TESTING

Terrestrial Radiation is one of the parameters that

baubiologists take into account.

(SBM 2003 US TH.doc in the Files section)

I put two links that contain information about the following topics.

- How can I tell whether I am affected by Geopathic Stress?

- If geopathic stress is natural why is it dangerous and why have we

not become immune to it?

- How common is geopathic stress?

- Can Geopathic stress be detected by machines?

http://megadisc.com.au/index_files/geopathic1.htm

http://www.wholisticresearch.com/info/artshow.php3?artid=211

This link also interesting for its point of view

relating geopathic stress and earth acupuncture.

http://www.alexstark.com/articles/geopathicstress.html

Although maybe is not understandable for many of us

because this presentation is in catalan (romanic language

with similarities with spanish and french) I think

that is interesting the charts that show the energies

in the place where persons slept and had long exposures to

earth radiations and its diagnosis.

Most of them slept over underwater streams + curry lines and

mostly developed problems in the place of its body with

maxidum earth/electromagnetic radiation.

http://www.geonatura.org/Biocultura.ppt

Regards

[Guest guest]

Thank you for your informative post.

I have an area in my yard that feels quite awful although theres no emf

it feels like its coming from the ground and the negativity extends in a

line towards our dining table. I had an intuitive look at it with me

and he also felt the negativity. We attempted to beautify it it with a

sculpture and plants but the effect is still there. If we hired a dowser

to look at it is there anything they can do with the information they

find to improve the area? or is moving the only solution to GS?

I was curious if you have looked into the connection between calcium

deficiency and ES?

Thanks again, Sandi

[Guest guest]

> If we hired a dowser

> to look at it is there anything they can do with the information they

> find to improve the area? or is moving the only solution to GS?

You could buy a Springlife " House & Garden " rod, stick in the soil

where the problem is the worst, and see if that makes any difference:

http://www.choosecra.com/htmlpages/homepage/prodinfo/springlife.html

That might neutralize the problem locally, as long as the problem is

not too severe.

Marc

[Guest guest]

Hi Sandi and all,

I answer to Sandi's questions.

> sculpture and plants but the effect is still there. If we hired a

dowser

> to look at it is there anything they can do with the information they

> find to improve the area? or is moving the only solution to GS?

My geobiologist, that has 30 years of professional

experience, thought that moving is the best solution, he didn't know

any product to neutralize GS.

In the web there are some products that claim they're able to

neutralize GS.

I think that if you put some device to neutralize GS maybe you need to

check again how this device has moved/neutralized the energies unless

you are so sensitive to check for yourself.

In the past I bought some products:

- CET (cosmic energy transformers).

http://www.alivewater.net/prod/cets.htm

- Harmonizer II

http://www.conscious-living.de/englisch/produkte/produkt2_e.htm

I haven't perceived noticeable effects

over me (mainly because I was over-exposed to RFs?). My father noticed

sleep disturbances with the Harmonizer II (but I don't know why,

detox? problems?).

I was tempted to buy more of them but

first I'd like to learn more about geopathic stress and I would like

to be able to find a reliable objective method/device to test it for

myself.

I found those interesting products in the web, but I don't have

known testimonials about it.

- rayonex duplex III (it also has plugs for electrosmog).

- raditech.

- ADR-3

(I know my doctor was testing this product with

some clients, maybe in few weeks I could know

more about his opinion).

May be someone in the group has experience with one of those devices?

> I was curious if you have looked into the connection between calcium

> deficiency and ES?

In my worst ES periods I've done blood tests that haven't showed

calcium deficiency.

My doctor supplemented me with

lots of magnesium (I suppose I had a lack of it maybe for the amount

stress and electro/geopathic stress), I suppose he detected with

kinesiology that I needed it.

Best regards,

> Thanks again, Sandi

>

[Guest guest]

Hi , I have a unit that is supposed to neutralise emfs, and

presumably GS, from a place that calls itself a Geopathic Stress

Consultancy. It consists of an electromagnetised crystal,

apparently. (I've yet to rip the box apart and find out exactly what

i paid my 200 pounds for).

It worked pretty good for about a month at my previous address and i

continued to use it (though with diminishing good effects) until i

had to take flight from my home and move to another part of the

country.

IN my new place the set up is totally different from my prevoious

address.

Previous address was: bad RF, not too bad magnetic fields, dry and

sunny climate.

New address: very low RF, bad magnetic fields, damp and dark

climate. It is mountainous and there are many metals in the ground

(esp aluminium).

Here my unit is absolutely hopeless, and even when i go and stay at

my previous address i still cannot use it. It is redundant.

best wishes

jane

>

>

> Hi Sandi and all,

>

> I answer to Sandi's questions.

>

> > sculpture and plants but the effect is still there. If we hired a

> dowser

> > to look at it is there anything they can do with the information

they

> > find to improve the area? or is moving the only solution to GS?

>

> My geobiologist, that has 30 years of professional

> experience, thought that moving is the best solution, he didn't know

> any product to neutralize GS.

> In the web there are some products that claim they're able to

> neutralize GS.

> I think that if you put some device to neutralize GS maybe you need

to

> check again how this device has moved/neutralized the energies

unless

> you are so sensitive to check for yourself.

> In the past I bought some products:

>

> - CET (cosmic energy transformers).

> http://www.alivewater.net/prod/cets.htm

> - Harmonizer II

> http://www.conscious-

living.de/englisch/produkte/produkt2_e.htm

>

> I haven't perceived noticeable effects

> over me (mainly because I was over-exposed to RFs?). My father

noticed

> sleep disturbances with the Harmonizer II (but I don't know why,

> detox? problems?).

>

> I was tempted to buy more of them but

> first I'd like to learn more about geopathic stress and I would like

> to be able to find a reliable objective method/device to test it for

> myself.

> I found those interesting products in the web, but I don't have

> known testimonials about it.

> - rayonex duplex III (it also has plugs for electrosmog).

> - raditech.

> - ADR-3

> (I know my doctor was testing this product with

> some clients, maybe in few weeks I could know

> more about his opinion).

>

> May be someone in the group has experience with one of those

devices?

>

> > I was curious if you have looked into the connection between

calcium

> > deficiency and ES?

>

> In my worst ES periods I've done blood tests that haven't showed

> calcium deficiency.

> My doctor supplemented me with

> lots of magnesium (I suppose I had a lack of it maybe for the

amount

> stress and electro/geopathic stress), I suppose he detected with

> kinesiology that I needed it.

>

> Best regards,

>

>

> > Thanks again, Sandi

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Of course, the unit will not work accordingly.

Because it contains crystals.

And they happen to absorb everything, and after a (short) while, they start

emitting it.

Greetings,

Claessens

member Verband Baubiologie

www.milieuziektes.nl

www.milieuziektes.be

www.hetbitje.nl

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Re: Home provocation experiments + Geopathic/electro stress

> Hi , I have a unit that is supposed to neutralise emfs, and

> presumably GS, from a place that calls itself a Geopathic Stress

> Consultancy. It consists of an electromagnetised crystal,

> apparently. (I've yet to rip the box apart and find out exactly what

> i paid my 200 pounds for).

>

> It worked pretty good for about a month at my previous address and i

> continued to use it (though with diminishing good effects) until i

> had to take flight from my home and move to another part of the

> country.

>

> IN my new place the set up is totally different from my prevoious

> address.

>

> Previous address was: bad RF, not too bad magnetic fields, dry and

> sunny climate.

>

> New address: very low RF, bad magnetic fields, damp and dark

> climate. It is mountainous and there are many metals in the ground

> (esp aluminium).

>

> Here my unit is absolutely hopeless, and even when i go and stay at

> my previous address i still cannot use it. It is redundant.

>

> best wishes

> jane

>

>>

>>

>> Hi Sandi and all,

>>

>> I answer to Sandi's questions.

>>

>> > sculpture and plants but the effect is still there. If we hired a

>> dowser

>> > to look at it is there anything they can do with the information

> they

>> > find to improve the area? or is moving the only solution to GS?

>>

>> My geobiologist, that has 30 years of professional

>> experience, thought that moving is the best solution, he didn't know

>> any product to neutralize GS.

>> In the web there are some products that claim they're able to

>> neutralize GS.

>> I think that if you put some device to neutralize GS maybe you need

> to

>> check again how this device has moved/neutralized the energies

> unless

>> you are so sensitive to check for yourself.

>> In the past I bought some products:

>>

>> - CET (cosmic energy transformers).

>> http://www.alivewater.net/prod/cets.htm

>> - Harmonizer II

>> http://www.conscious-

> living.de/englisch/produkte/produkt2_e.htm

>>

>> I haven't perceived noticeable effects

>> over me (mainly because I was over-exposed to RFs?). My father

> noticed

>> sleep disturbances with the Harmonizer II (but I don't know why,

>> detox? problems?).

>>

>> I was tempted to buy more of them but

>> first I'd like to learn more about geopathic stress and I would like

>> to be able to find a reliable objective method/device to test it for

>> myself.

>> I found those interesting products in the web, but I don't have

>> known testimonials about it.

>> - rayonex duplex III (it also has plugs for electrosmog).

>> - raditech.

>> - ADR-3

>> (I know my doctor was testing this product with

>> some clients, maybe in few weeks I could know

>> more about his opinion).

>>

>> May be someone in the group has experience with one of those

> devices?

>>

>> > I was curious if you have looked into the connection between

> calcium

>> > deficiency and ES?

>>

>> In my worst ES periods I've done blood tests that haven't showed

>> calcium deficiency.

>> My doctor supplemented me with

>> lots of magnesium (I suppose I had a lack of it maybe for the

> amount

>> stress and electro/geopathic stress), I suppose he detected with

>> kinesiology that I needed it.

>>

>> Best regards,

>>

>>

>> > Thanks again, Sandi

>> >

>>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> - CET (cosmic energy transformers).

> http://www.alivewater.net/prod/cets.htm

I only have experience with the above item. This was 6 years ago,

when I was at my most sensitive point. Even when I pulled these

things out of the shipping box, I could feel a strong amount

of energy radiating from them. And then for the next few days,

I was flat on my back, fatigued (detox?). The cats also didn't

seem to like them (a common reaction), as they started peeing

on the carpet. I did notice that I was sleeping better

(and I believe my testimonial about this is still on their

website).

However, between the cats reaction and the fact that these didn't

help my computer tolerance, I eventually just got rid

of them. Especially since I had later found devices which

did indeed help me with the computer.

Marc