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Lori Do you have the 1983 article still? If so can you please send it to me? AmyLorie Garlick <lorieg@...> wrote: Ummmmm....HELLO....I'm a EtG expert and I'm in Sacramento! Heeheehee...What a JOKESTER I am! Well, there's always Skipper's "auto-brewery protocol" that I could dig up. But it never successfully diagnosed anyone as being an endogenous ethanol producer, so I wouldn't bother with that. Looking at the 1983 article I have on determining endogenous

ethanol in blood and breath, I am wondering if the methods of testing they describe are achievable by any of us. Their focus is on breath testing. The methodology is GC-MS. But they describe a "freeze-trapped sample of breath". Sounds like something only done in a test lab and not something my friendly Quest Diagnostics staff would be familiar with! Anybody else got any ideas on this one? Maybe that UCSD toxicologist would have some insight. It's over my head. Lorie question I received a call today saying I have another positive etg. This time it was 1800, my highest. I just don't know what I'm doing wrong. What type of test is there that would find out if your body produces etg? any other ideas? Does anyone know of an etg expert in Sacramento? Thanks, Diane

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Something I had been contempting doing, but have not

had to, was to try the CDL or PEth tests to confirm

that I had not been drinking. Problem is...they don't

ussually give the results in enough time. Might take

a lawyer or act in the court room to say....'listen,

there are other tests that can be used...people HAVE

to be notified in enough time to be able to PROVE

their innocence!

--- Lorie Garlick <lorieg@...> wrote:

> Ummmmm....HELLO....I'm a EtG expert and I'm in

> Sacramento! Heeheehee...What a JOKESTER I am!

> Well, there's always Skipper's " auto-brewery

> protocol " that I could dig up. But it never

> successfully diagnosed anyone as being an endogenous

> ethanol producer, so I wouldn't bother with that.

> Looking at the 1983 article I have on determining

> endogenous ethanol in blood and breath, I am

> wondering if the methods of testing they describe

> are achievable by any of us. Their focus is on

> breath testing. The methodology is GC-MS. But they

> describe a " freeze-trapped sample of breath " . Sounds

> like something only done in a test lab and not

> something my friendly Quest Diagnostics staff would

> be familiar with! Anybody else got any ideas on this

> one? Maybe that UCSD toxicologist would have some

> insight. It's over my head.

> Lorie

>

> question

>

>

> I received a call today saying I have another

> positive etg. This time it

> was 1800, my highest. I just don't know what I'm

> doing wrong. What type

> of test is there that would find out if your body

> produces etg? any

> other ideas? Does anyone know of an etg expert in

> Sacramento? Thanks,

> Diane

>

>

>

>

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I have the article but need a fax no. to send it ~

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I received a call today saying I have another positive etg. This time it was 1800, my highest. I just don't know what I'm doing wrong. What type of test is there that would find out if your body produces etg? any other ideas? Does anyone know of an etg expert in Sacramento? Thanks, Diane

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My fax is (858)456-8451. Could you please fax it after 0900. Thank you for all your help and wisdom. Lorie Garlick <lorieg@...> wrote: I have the article but need a fax no. to send it ~ question I received a call today saying I have another positive etg. This time it was 1800, my highest. I just don't know what I'm doing wrong. What type of test is there that would find out if your body produces etg? any other ideas? Does anyone know of an etg expert in Sacramento? Thanks, Diane Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join 's user

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I don't think I agree with the majority, its that I disagree with CJ

and agree with Alobar. Thanks for wondering. Hope this clears up any

confusion.

phine

>

> It seems that all views on this forum are not welcomed if they

disagree with the majority.

>

>

>

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So far I do not know.I am going to Budapest conference

than I let you know.Zbyszek

--- Ryszard Pilch <rysiek@...> wrote:

> Do you know any practicioner in Poland

>

> Rysiek

>

>

>

> ............................................

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Hi Rysiek,

Sorry, but I do not know anyone in Poland. As I told your friend it is possible

for me to send the signals to you and to help you that way. Thousands of people

around the world have been helped by different therapists by this method.

If you don' want to try that, you will have to find a therapist yourself. I will

be going to a conference tomorrow, so I cant write to you until next week, but

Good luck to you!

Warm regards,

Sven.

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Do you know any practicioner in Poland

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Newsletters come out 4 times a year. It has only been two months since the

conference, so the post-conference issue should be coming out within the

next month.

Interesting that as paid members of District 11, you didn't even bother to

make an appearance at the 50th anniversary national conference which was

hosted in your home state. And you wonder why the district gives up on

people...

Bill

On 8/28/07, jbspraker@... <jbspraker@...> wrote:

>

> Being a paid member for a (few) years. Are there newsletters anymore? I

> noticed that Dist. 11 has given up, so is there a LPA Today still being

> published? We have paid our dues but we have not received anything

> since the convention. Just wondering.

>

> Jack & Barb.

>

>

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I think that statement about people not attending conferences and

events was uncalled for!

There are many reasons why people are unable to attend events. For

myself, I cannot afford to attend any events, even if they are in my

own area. Sometimes I have medical reasons and other times I have

obligations that I have to attend to. I would imagine it is the same

for other people.

I dont think this individual has to defend his reasons on why he

didn't attend the national conference for all to see. Also I feel

that he shouldn't be put on the spot either.

The conferences, regionals, trips, meetings, memberships, and all the

other expenses that come along with them are very expensive. I

haven't been to very many events because of financial reasons. Often

times I wonder HOW people can afford to attend all the expenses to

every event.

And yes, I know about the scholorship...but I cannot afford the

food, transportation, hotel and other expenses that the scholorship

won't cover.

~ a

> >

> > Being a paid member for a (few) years. Are there newsletters

anymore? I

> > noticed that Dist. 11 has given up, so is there a LPA Today still

being

> > published? We have paid our dues but we have not received anything

> > since the convention. Just wondering.

> >

> > Jack & Barb.

> >

> >

>

>

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There are many reasons people can't attend events, true. If someone has

financial, medical or familial conflicts, I am sympathetic.

However, that doesn't give anyone the right to complain or disparage all the

people in District 11 who worked their tails off (16 hour days during the

week of the conference) to host the largest and most complex conference in

LPA history. It's somewhat akin to people who spend all their time

complaining about the government, but don't bother to vote.

If you want a voice in the process, volunteer!

Bill

On 8/29/07, a <quartznh@...> wrote:

>

> I think that statement about people not attending conferences and

> events was uncalled for!

>

> There are many reasons why people are unable to attend events. For

> myself, I cannot afford to attend any events, even if they are in my

> own area. Sometimes I have medical reasons and other times I have

> obligations that I have to attend to. I would imagine it is the same

> for other people.

>

> I dont think this individual has to defend his reasons on why he

> didn't attend the national conference for all to see. Also I feel

> that he shouldn't be put on the spot either.

>

> The conferences, regionals, trips, meetings, memberships, and all the

> other expenses that come along with them are very expensive. I

> haven't been to very many events because of financial reasons. Often

> times I wonder HOW people can afford to attend all the expenses to

> every event.

>

> And yes, I know about the scholorship...but I cannot afford the

> food, transportation, hotel and other expenses that the scholorship

> won't cover.

>

> ~ a

> .

>

>

>

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I see where yer coming from, I do, but at the same

time their right to have it known or not known that

they attended the National or failed to really should

have been kept secret;), I feel. Because then it looks

as if you had a list of all the paid members in yer

district and perhaps you did(?), and that you checked

off or made a notation of who attended or not... and

that should have been kept privately, I feel:).

At best, since it's obvious you knew they

didn't attend as paid members, for whatever private

reason of their own too and one that needs no

explanation to us on here anyway, to a National that

was sooo close to them, you could've said privately to

them something along these lines, " Ya know, *so* and

*so*, we truly missed you, and since you are in our

backyard we wondered why you didn't come? " Cuz

the other way makes it look as if yer our 'Santa

Claus' checking over the list (of attendees) once and

twice to see who was naughty or nice in their

attending or lack thereof, and really that should've

been kept quiet or secret to those in charge of

attendance and not with any of us us on here. Cuz

think of this too, do you think most (on here, that

is, and remember Bill, this is a non offical LPA

egroup as well) either care one way or the other that

they failed to show up? So, their attendance or lack

of is really an official LPA thing, isn't it?;)

~grady, who's not paid and who also failed to attend,

in case anyone wants to know!:P

PS-I like Bill and this no put down to him, rather a

disagreement and we all have that from time to time

amongst each other. I feel, if anything, it was prolly

more this: They-the ones who put on the National,

truly did sooo much work, which I don't discount for a

minute, a second even, and for those paid members who

were close and for whatever reason they didn't

attend-their business and not ours on here...

well, still, that can be very disheartening,

frustrating and just plain sad at the very least. But,

it reminds of work, well, sorta:P, when it was bad

weather out and those who still came. And who were

they, nice ten times out of ten? The ones who lived

the farthest away usually made it in and the ones who

lived the closest would often call up and say, " What

are you kidding me? Did you see the snow falling

outside? You must be joking, right?, I'm not coming to

work today! " :P

Volunteer, is right, amen!:)

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With a response like that no wonder no one shows up. Nice way for an officer

to respond.

Just for information, Barb and myself have done our share of conventions and

District meetings.

We ourselves have done a lot of work and put in a lot of hours with a couple

of other people and never

once complained like you just did.

With Barbs arthritis and my heart problems, that is why we did not show up.

So maybe in the

future before you respond so harsh, maybe think like a officer and say well

maybe there is something

wrong or maybe I should write or call them to find out what is going on. You

would be surprised to find

out a lot more things then just sitting there behind your computer and

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No Santa here. When you know said persons for over 30 years, it becomes

quite obvious when they are notoriously absent from your local events, and

then come online to gripe about the district. I really have no problem with

them choosing to attend or not. Several others in our district decided not

to attend, which made me sad, not angry (and they are not complaining about

the district). What upset me was the suggestion that the district somehow

" gave up " or dropped the ball. Hello? We had the 50th national conference

to put on... Also, harping on Jody about getting the national conference

newsletter out upset me as well. Jody is a one-woman show, VOLUNTEER,

putting out a tremendous newsletter on a quarterly schedule. The newsletter

is not behind schedule, so don't b-tch about it until it is.

Like I said before, whatever your level of activity and commitment to LPA is

a personal matter, and I have no comment on that. But if you start griping

about the organization without lifting a finger to help, then I got a

problem with that.

Bill

On 8/29/07, Grady <gradysir@...> wrote:

>

> I see where yer coming from, I do, but at the same

> time their right to have it known or not known that

> they attended the National or failed to really should

> have been kept secret;), I feel. Because then it looks

> as if you had a list of all the paid members in yer

> district and perhaps you did(?), and that you checked

> off or made a notation of who attended or not... and

> that should have been kept privately, I feel:).

> At best, since it's obvious you knew they

> didn't attend as paid members, for whatever private

> reason of their own too and one that needs no

> explanation to us on here anyway, to a National that

> was sooo close to them, you could've said privately to

> them something along these lines, " Ya know, *so* and

> *so*, we truly missed you, and since you are in our

> backyard we wondered why you didn't come? " Cuz

> the other way makes it look as if yer our 'Santa

> Claus' checking over the list (of attendees) once and

> twice to see who was naughty or nice in their

> attending or lack thereof, and really that should've

> been kept quiet or secret to those in charge of

> attendance and not with any of us us on here. Cuz

> think of this too, do you think most (on here, that

> is, and remember Bill, this is a non offical LPA

> egroup as well) either care one way or the other that

> they failed to show up? So, their attendance or lack

> of is really an official LPA thing, isn't it?;)

>

> ~grady, who's not paid and who also failed to attend,

> in case anyone wants to know!:P

>

> PS-I like Bill and this no put down to him, rather a

> disagreement and we all have that from time to time

> amongst each other. I feel, if anything, it was prolly

> more this: They-the ones who put on the National,

> truly did sooo much work, which I don't discount for a

> minute, a second even, and for those paid members who

> were close and for whatever reason they didn't

> attend-their business and not ours on here...

> well, still, that can be very disheartening,

> frustrating and just plain sad at the very least. But,

> it reminds of work, well, sorta:P, when it was bad

> weather out and those who still came. And who were

> they, nice ten times out of ten? The ones who lived

> the farthest away usually made it in and the ones who

> lived the closest would often call up and say, " What

> are you kidding me? Did you see the snow falling

> outside? You must be joking, right?, I'm not coming to

> work today! " :P

>

> Volunteer, is right, amen!:)

>

>

>

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I have heard of it being linked to witchery, in olden times. But, that may be a myth. Good question. Marie the_golden_lance <the_golden_lance@...> wrote: Are there any superstition connected to heterochromia?I've been reading a bit about superstition and so much of it seems to be about how people looks (red hair makes you a werewolf, or small feet means you're a witch, etc.), so I can't help but wonder what they would say about different coloured

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> Are there any superstition connected to heterochromia?

> I've been reading a bit about superstition and so much of it seems to

> be about how people looks (red hair makes you a werewolf, or small

> feet means you're a witch, etc.), so I can't help but wonder what they

> would say about different coloured eyes.

>

I've been told by several people there is/was a superstition in

Ireland that heterochromatics were fairies in human disguise. And

nasty fairies at that.. supposedly Irish-folk would avert their eyes

and cross themselves once passing you as protection against your evil

fairy spirit. I find that very amusing and cool.. nobody ever was able

to give me proof it was an actual superstition though.. <shrug>

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Welcome Judy!

I think we all got banded to help lose weight AND to help with

obesity related health issues. I haven't had the kind of serious

challenges that you have had, and I don't know of any trached

bandsters. But that shouldn't stop you! Congrats on getting banded

and working to save your life.

I'm an ICU RN, and I've taken care of a lot of patients in similar

situations as yours, and have sent them on to nursing care facilities

to continue weaning off the ventilator. What a difficult ordeal that

must have been for you. When you are on a vent for that long, of

course you spend a lot of time in bed, and you become deconditioned,

so a lot of the weight you initially lost would have been muscle

mass. It's not surprising that you would regain weight after getting

off the vent, since your metabolism would be lower from losing

muscle. Are you doing some exercise as you lose weight with your

band? I'm sure you have limitations with your respiratory condition,

but whatever you can tolerate (like walking whatever distance your

pulmonologist is OK with) will help you rebuild the muscle mass and

help you lose more weight.

Those of us who work in the ICU usually see our patients advance to

acute care or subacute care but never hear from them again, so we

don't know how they do later. It's so nice to hear from someone who

was able to get off the ventilator and is taking charge of her life

and health now. Good luck, and welcome again.

Gwen

>

> Hi all,

> I have a question for all of you. Did you get banded just to help

you lose

> weight easier? What I'm trying to say is, did any of you have any

other health

> issues that were directly related to your weight? Besides getting

banded to

> help me lose weight, I also have a trachestomy (pipe in throat to

help me

> breath better). Six years ago I went into Respiratory Failure due

to obesity.

> Long story shortened, I ended up in a nursing home/subacute rehab

center for 6

> months to be weaned off a ventilator. In the process I lost over

100 lbs. When

> I got out and over the years, I gained back 40. According to my

Pulmonary

> Doctor, if I can lose 60 more lbs., I can get de-trached. So after

that long

> explanation, has anyone ever had a trach in this group?

>

> Judy

>

>

> COURAGE: Doesn't always roar. Sometimes courage is the quiet voice

at the

> end of the day saying, " I will try again tomorrow. "

>

>

>

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judy, i had the surgery because of my diabetes. i had come to grips

with my size in terms of appearance and vowed i would never diet or

do anything unless i had a health reason -- as i felt that yo yoing

was worse than maintaining a certain weight. so when i had diabetes

diagnosis, that did it for me. i knew i had to lose weight for that,

and had tried everything else but surgery.

At 11:58 PM 12/20/2007, you wrote:

>Hi all,

>I have a question for all of you. Did you get banded just to help you lose

>weight easier? What I'm trying to say is, did any of you have any

>other health

>issues that were directly related to your weight? Besides getting banded to

>help me lose weight, I also have a trachestomy (pipe in throat to help me

>breath better). Six years ago I went into Respiratory Failure due to

>obesity.

>Long story shortened, I ended up in a nursing home/subacute rehab

>center for 6

>months to be weaned off a ventilator. In the process I lost over 100

>lbs. When

>I got out and over the years, I gained back 40. According to my Pulmonary

>Doctor, if I can lose 60 more lbs., I can get de-trached. So after that long

>explanation, has anyone ever had a trach in this group?

>

>Judy

>

>

>COURAGE: Doesn't always roar. Sometimes courage is the quiet voice at the

>end of the day saying, " I will try again tomorrow. "

>

>

>

>

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Gwen, Sandy and everybody,

Thank you for your warm welcome and your quick response to my question. I

was totally weaned off the vent by the time I left the nursing home. Now that

I'm home, I sleep with a concentrator.....how romantic!!!

Before I was in the nursing home I was in the hospital for a month. Three

weeks in a drug induced coma, on the vent and eventually getting trached. I

don't really remember that month or the first 3 months of the nursing home. I

was a little " dazed and confused " from the buildup of Carbon Dioxide in my

system. I was working at that time and I didn't realize how sick I was. I am

now

retired after working 30 years with the State of Ohio.

I do exercise, I just uncap myself so I can breath better. When I had been

out of the nursing home for a month, I went back for a visit. Everyone on the

staff, especially the RT's were happy to see me. I was one of their younger

residents, I was 50 years old at the time and most of their trached residents

were a lot older.

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Judy,

I was 364 when I had surg I had been a diabetic for 12 years. It was

when it affected my kidneys I thought about getting banded.

The body I'm rocking now is just a perk for me. The fact that I no

longer pee when I walk... that is what I was shooting for.

nancy

> >Hi all,

> >I have a question for all of you. Did you get banded just to help

you lose

> >weight easier? What I'm trying to say is, did any of you have any

> >other health

> >issues that were directly related to your weight? Besides getting

banded to

> >help me lose weight, I also have a trachestomy (pipe in throat to

help me

> >breath better). Six years ago I went into Respiratory Failure due to

> >obesity.

> >Long story shortened, I ended up in a nursing home/subacute rehab

> >center for 6

> >months to be weaned off a ventilator. In the process I lost over 100

> >lbs. When

> >I got out and over the years, I gained back 40. According to my

Pulmonary

> >Doctor, if I can lose 60 more lbs., I can get de-trached. So after

that long

> >explanation, has anyone ever had a trach in this group?

> >

> >Judy

> >

> >

> >COURAGE: Doesn't always roar. Sometimes courage is the quiet voice

at the

> >end of the day saying, " I will try again tomorrow. "

> >

> >

> >

> >

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When were you banded (sorry, don't remember). Do you NEED a stool

softener? If you're getting in enough veggies and fruits you

shouldn't (but yes, we're all different). Unless the colace would be

paid completely with the scrip, you can buy generic stool softener

over the counter without a scrip. I can check on brand Gail uses if

you want (she needs mainly because she's on pretty heavy iron

supplements)

Do you NEED nexium? Again, you can buy it over counter too.

dan

Wednesday, December 26, 2007, 11:26:03 AM, you wrote:

> I've got a question. When I was banded my Lapband doc gave me a script for

> Colace which is a stool softener. Should I continue to take it? How about

> Nexium?

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the generic stool softener is called docusate sodium. there are a

number of brands....every drug store has their own.

i used to use it, but i now use benefiber when i feel like i need it.

At 01:38 PM 12/26/2007, you wrote:

>When were you banded (sorry, don't remember). Do you NEED a stool

>softener? If you're getting in enough veggies and fruits you

>shouldn't (but yes, we're all different). Unless the colace would be

>paid completely with the scrip, you can buy generic stool softener

>over the counter without a scrip. I can check on brand Gail uses if

>you want (she needs mainly because she's on pretty heavy iron

>supplements)

>

>Do you NEED nexium? Again, you can buy it over counter too.

>

>dan

>

>

>Wednesday, December 26, 2007, 11:26:03 AM, you wrote:

>

> > I've got a question. When I was banded my Lapband doc gave me a script for

> > Colace which is a stool softener. Should I continue to take it? How about

> > Nexium?

>

>

>

>--

> " It's OK to be a little broken, everybody's broken in this life " Jon Bon Jovi

>Dan Lester, Boise, Idaho, USA www.mylapband.tk

>Banded 4/27/03, Dr. Ortiz, Tijuana

>Started at 355, at goal in the 210-220 range for almost 4 years

>Ultimate goal of 195 Tummytuck in Boise and SmartLipo in Tijuana

>

>

>

>

>

>

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I was banded in June of this year. I eat plenty of veggies and I was just

wondering if I needed it. Same with the Nexium. So I won't get what's over

the counter cause I poop (sorry) just fine!!! Thanks for the quick response.

Judy

-- Re: question

When were you banded (sorry, don't remember). Do you NEED a stool

softener? If you're getting in enough veggies and fruits you

shouldn't (but yes, we're all different). Unless the colace would be

paid completely with the scrip, you can buy generic stool softener

over the counter without a scrip. I can check on brand Gail uses if

you want (she needs mainly because she's on pretty heavy iron

supplements)

Do you NEED nexium? Again, you can buy it over counter too.

dan

Wednesday, December 26, 2007, 11:26:03 AM, you wrote:

> I've got a question. When I was banded my Lapband doc gave me a script for

> Colace which is a stool softener. Should I continue to take it? How about

> Nexium?

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Banded 4/27/03, Dr. Ortiz, Tijuana

Started at 355, at goal in the 210-220 range for almost 4 years

Ultimate goal of 195 Tummytuck in Boise and SmartLipo in Tijuana

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Nexium is called Prilosec over the counter.

Judy

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Dan Nexium over the counter? Is it under another name? Ruth

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I was under the impression that Nexium and Prilosec are not exactly the same

drug. I believe AstraZeneca replaced Prilosec (omeprazole) with Nexium

(esomeprazole) as their premier reflux/gerd medication of choice, which in turn

eventually lead to Prilosec being an OTC medication. Not sure what the exact

difference is, but I recall the marketing being something along the lines of

Prilosec as a prevetative for acid reflux/GERD, while Nexium not only did the

same as Prilosec, it also repaired any damage done previously.

Talk about life imitating life - as this message thread appeared on this group,

I opened some mail from Cigna asking if I wanted to switch my Nexium to generic

Prilosec. I'm pretty sure it's a money-saving effort on their part. I'm still

not convinced they're exactly the same medication.

Alan (of LI, NY)

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Re: question

> Nexium is called Prilosec over the counter.

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> Judy

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