Re: Suing neighbor over wi-fi on ABC.com

[Guest guest]

Well, well well... It looks like Arthur has started the ball rolling for us.

Make sure that you watch the video too.

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/allergic-electronics-man-sues-neighbor-gadget/s\

tory?id=10240343

One thing that I would like to mention - after the Popular Science article came

out - it sent a message to the media that this illness can no longer be ignored.

So ABC pays attention and brings it to the mainstream media - and it will

snowball if we speak up. It's not aids - it's not contagious - and it will

effect everyone by the way the technology is progressing.

But we need others to come out and talk about this to the general public too.

It time to bring lawsuits - and get publicity for it even if you don't win.

On 2010-03-31, at 5:48 PM, Loni wrote:

> Yes but he can't live in his own house because of it. And it doesn't sound

like she give a rats a.

>

> I guess I wouldn't sue a neighbor either but know how frustrating it is to not

be able to sleep in my house.

>

> Is that right for her not to make the changes needed in order for him to be

able to live!?

>

> Loni

>

>

>

> From: Marc <marc@...>

> Subject: Re: Suing neighbor over wi-fi

>

> Date: Wednesday, March 31, 2010, 11:34 AM

>

>

>

> > I hope he wins the law suit. Loni

>

> Actually, I think this person should spend more effort trying to get

> better, rather than suing his neighbors. I mean, the wi-fi coming

> from my neighbors house bothers me too, but I would never think

> of suing them!

>

> Marc

>

>

[Guest guest]

I think if I were him and I owned the house, I'd adapt the house to block wifi

etc. As long as he was choosing to live in town, and not on acreage somewhere,

he was going to be in trouble sooner or later.

I spent a week out at a farmhouse out in the country, with a few low signals

from neighbors who weren't all that close, and more importantly, not a blanket

of wimax and only a few cellphone towers. I could sit in the parking lot across

from a cellphone tower and feel okay, it was an older one, without a zillion

dishes on it.

I felt relaxed. However, the farmhouse had a mold problem that made me sick as a

dog.

We came back into the Atlanta area and I began to feel ems symptoms. I am

sensitized more now since being in that house. I don't know what was wrong with

that house but I wonder if that wifi router gave off extra strong signals, was

somehow faulty. I also know it was a strong router. That whole neighborhood was

blanketed with wifi in every single house, sometimes two to a house. In addition

maybe that house had faulty wiring or extra EMF. The odd thing is once

sensitized I haven't seemed to recover even tho it was only 3 weeks.

Atlanta has been wimaxed and there are towers everywhere. As you drive toward

the city you see so many. Symptoms of spine pressure, agitation (subtle), a

weird alertness, and occasionally irregular heartbeats now when I'm around

strong wifi in a store...etc. It's very unpleasant. I don't know what to do.

I don't see any solution for anybody really, because wimax is going everywhere.

Give it another five years. Everybody will have even stronger wifi routers.

This just makes a good, " kooky " story but will not change policy. If in 1996

they passed a law that no local govt could question ie litigate placement of

towers based on health, its a long upward battle. They put their protection into

place quite a while ago. Tell me how we're going to change this. And most people

are not sensitive or even if they had mild symptoms wouldn't care. In addition,

good studies might require years--epidemiological studies that look at rates of

illness/cancer around towers, and exactly how far. And it's complicated now by

wifi routers. I can't even imagine how you could design a good human study.

You'd just have to do animal studies.

It took quite a long while for scientists to get bisphenol A on the " bad " list.

They did study after study with alarming results but the industry just did their

own sponsored studies. It was so profitable. It took so much effort to target

just ONE chemical.

This is a way of life. If I were to move to that farmhouse if it WASN'T

moldy--who's to say in ten years it won't be wimaxed too? That at some point the

farmer next door will sell his land and a developer will come in and a bunch of

homes will go up with N-routers?

I don't see a solution. In my case, I think I'm sensitized because I have lyme

disease which broke down my system, leading to MCS and now ES. But I think the

whole population is affected. For instance, they now are finding that phthalate

exposure affects boys' intelligence (endocrine disrupter--estrogen mimic). There

was also a great study a while back that found that the level of phthalates in

baby boy's urine correlated with the distance from the anus to the scrotum--less

distance ie more feminized with higher levels of the endocrine disrupters. No

mother could notice that with her naked eye. But it was a clear indication that

effects were occurring. The same is probably true of wimax, wifi (which I think

are much worse than cellphones but that's my subjective sense).

[Guest guest]

Stopping wimax is the exception not the rule.

Look at this March news item:

http://gigaom.com/2010/03/23/la-miami-and-middle-america-to-get-wimax/

Clearwire said today that it would expand its WiMAX network to Cincinnati,

Cleveland, Los Angeles, Miami, Pittsburgh, Salt Lake City and St. Louis this

year. In its effort to cover 120 million people before the end of the year,

these cities will join previously announced network buildouts in 2010 in New

York City, San Francisco, Boston, Washington, D.C., Denver, Minneapolis and

Kansas City.

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It's extremely troublesome. And it is like an avalanche gaining momentum.

>

> > I think if I were him and I owned the house, I'd adapt the house to block

wifi etc. As long as he was choosing to live in town, and not on acreage

somewhere, he was going to be in trouble sooner or later.

> >

> > I spent a week out at a farmhouse out in the country, with a few low signals

from neighbors who weren't all that close, and more importantly, not a blanket

of wimax and only a few cellphone towers. I could sit in the parking lot across

from a cellphone tower and feel okay, it was an older one, without a zillion

dishes on it.

> >

> > I felt relaxed. However, the farmhouse had a mold problem that made me sick

as a dog.

> >

> > We came back into the Atlanta area and I began to feel ems symptoms. I am

sensitized more now since being in that house. I don't know what was wrong with

that house but I wonder if that wifi router gave off extra strong signals, was

somehow faulty. I also know it was a strong router. That whole neighborhood was

blanketed with wifi in every single house, sometimes two to a house. In addition

maybe that house had faulty wiring or extra EMF. The odd thing is once

sensitized I haven't seemed to recover even tho it was only 3 weeks.

> >

> > Atlanta has been wimaxed and there are towers everywhere. As you drive

toward the city you see so many. Symptoms of spine pressure, agitation (subtle),

a weird alertness, and occasionally irregular heartbeats now when I'm around

strong wifi in a store...etc. It's very unpleasant. I don't know what to do.

> >

> > I don't see any solution for anybody really, because wimax is going

everywhere. Give it another five years. Everybody will have even stronger wifi

routers.

> >

> > This just makes a good, " kooky " story but will not change policy. If in 1996

they passed a law that no local govt could question ie litigate placement of

towers based on health, its a long upward battle. They put their protection into

place quite a while ago. Tell me how we're going to change this. And most people

are not sensitive or even if they had mild symptoms wouldn't care. In addition,

good studies might require years--epidemiological studies that look at rates of

illness/cancer around towers, and exactly how far. And it's complicated now by

wifi routers. I can't even imagine how you could design a good human study.

You'd just have to do animal studies.

> >

> > It took quite a long while for scientists to get bisphenol A on the " bad "

list. They did study after study with alarming results but the industry just did

their own sponsored studies. It was so profitable. It took so much effort to

target just ONE chemical.

> >

> > This is a way of life. If I were to move to that farmhouse if it WASN'T

moldy--who's to say in ten years it won't be wimaxed too? That at some point the

farmer next door will sell his land and a developer will come in and a bunch of

homes will go up with N-routers?

> >

> > I don't see a solution. In my case, I think I'm sensitized because I have

lyme disease which broke down my system, leading to MCS and now ES. But I think

the whole population is affected. For instance, they now are finding that

phthalate exposure affects boys' intelligence (endocrine disrupter--estrogen

mimic). There was also a great study a while back that found that the level of

phthalates in baby boy's urine correlated with the distance from the anus to the

scrotum--less distance ie more feminized with higher levels of the endocrine

disrupters. No mother could notice that with her naked eye. But it was a clear

indication that effects were occurring. The same is probably true of wimax, wifi

(which I think are much worse than cellphones but that's my subjective sense).

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

That was a neat video. And that simple wallpaper was attractive yet protective.

Why doesn't Arthur do that in his home?

Your mesh headress was also interesting.

> >

> > > I think if I were him and I owned the house, I'd adapt the house to

> block wifi etc. As long as he was choosing to live in town, and not on

> acreage somewhere, he was going to be in trouble sooner or later.

> > >

> > > I spent a week out at a farmhouse out in the country, with a few

> low signals from neighbors who weren't all that close, and more

> importantly, not a blanket of wimax and only a few cellphone towers. I

> could sit in the parking lot across from a cellphone tower and feel

> okay, it was an older one, without a zillion dishes on it.

> > >

> > > I felt relaxed. However, the farmhouse had a mold problem that made

> me sick as a dog.

> > >

> > > We came back into the Atlanta area and I began to feel ems

> symptoms. I am sensitized more now since being in that house. I don't

> know what was wrong with that house but I wonder if that wifi router

> gave off extra strong signals, was somehow faulty. I also know it was a

> strong router. That whole neighborhood was blanketed with wifi in every

> single house, sometimes two to a house. In addition maybe that house

> had faulty wiring or extra EMF. The odd thing is once sensitized I

> haven't seemed to recover even tho it was only 3 weeks.

> > >

> > > Atlanta has been wimaxed and there are towers everywhere. As you

> drive toward the city you see so many. Symptoms of spine pressure,

> agitation (subtle), a weird alertness, and occasionally irregular

> heartbeats now when I'm around strong wifi in a store...etc. It's very

> unpleasant. I don't know what to do.

> > >

> > > I don't see any solution for anybody really, because wimax is going

> everywhere. Give it another five years. Everybody will have even

> stronger wifi routers.

> > >

> > > This just makes a good, " kooky " story but will not change policy.

> If in 1996 they passed a law that no local govt could question ie

> litigate placement of towers based on health, its a long upward battle.

> They put their protection into place quite a while ago. Tell me how

> we're going to change this. And most people are not sensitive or even

> if they had mild symptoms wouldn't care. In addition, good studies

> might require years--epidemiological studies that look at rates of

> illness/cancer around towers, and exactly how far. And it's complicated

> now by wifi routers. I can't even imagine how you could design a good

> human study. You'd just have to do animal studies.

> > >

> > > It took quite a long while for scientists to get bisphenol A on the

> " bad " list. They did study after study with alarming results but the

> industry just did their own sponsored studies. It was so profitable. It

> took so much effort to target just ONE chemical.

> > >

> > > This is a way of life. If I were to move to that farmhouse if it

> WASN'T moldy--who's to say in ten years it won't be wimaxed too? That

> at some point the farmer next door will sell his land and a developer

> will come in and a bunch of homes will go up with N-routers?

> > >

> > > I don't see a solution. In my case, I think I'm sensitized because

> I have lyme disease which broke down my system, leading to MCS and now

> ES. But I think the whole population is affected. For instance, they

> now are finding that phthalate exposure affects boys' intelligence

> (endocrine disrupter--estrogen mimic). There was also a great study a

> while back that found that the level of phthalates in baby boy's urine

> correlated with the distance from the anus to the scrotum--less

> distance ie more feminized with higher levels of the endocrine

> disrupters. No mother could notice that with her naked eye. But it was

> a clear indication that effects were occurring. The same is probably

> true of wimax, wifi (which I think are much worse than cellphones but

> that's my subjective sense).

> > >

> > >

> >

> >