Re: Cell tower radiation vs. household EMFs

[Guest guest]

Hello Cara,

I do not think that somebody else does have so many measuring meters in

house.

I have recently reviewed some of ROM Elektronik, in *het bitje* April 2006.

And at the moment I am reviewing some new stuff from Endotronic.

The measuring equipment of Endotronic is more inspired and developed to

imitate the feelings our nerves experience.

The manufacturer is one of the most electrosensibles around, and for many

years.

There are new antennas and extra speakers, with which one may show what

people with Tinnitus experience.

I hope to bring the article in the coming May issue, also in german and

english fashion.

But the most sensitive meter I have, I am married to for more than 40 years.

Although I always try to measure things as best as I can, in order to repeat

the results, humans are more sensitive.

So I can state, that electrosensibles not only feel radiations at very, very

low quantities, hardly measurable, but also over greater distances.

So it is quite good to trust your husband's subjective experience of EMFs .

Take good care of him!

Greetings,

Claessens

member Verband Baubiologie

www.milieuziektes.nl

www.milieuziektes.be

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Cell tower radiation vs. household EMFs

>I have come to trust my husband's subjective experience of EMFs more

> than " objective " measures like meters, sometimes. With regard to

> radiation from cell towers vs household EMFs (e.g. from refrigerator),

> he describes the experience very differently. Cell tower radiation, he

> says, feels like a powerful beam of light, directional. If you can find

> a way to block the beam (stay in shadow of a shielding material),

> you're protected. With household EMFs (at least in our previous home,

> where my husband was " cooked " for over 7 years), EMFs felt like they

> radiated up from the ground and surrounded him on all sides. It was

> like being immersed in hot EMF soup, with nowhere to hide.

>

> Does this match up with anyone else's experience? Very curious because

> of the decision we're trying to make about this new apartment. The

> inside of the apartment itself, bizarrely enough, *feels* very " cool "

> energetically. And yet a cell tower sits practically right across the

> street! Outside the building, you can feel the tower's effects unless

> you wear protective shielding. My husband says his intuition is to move

> into the apartment in spite of the cell tower, which sounds nuts to

> both of us.

>

> We are trying to reconcile my husband's subjective sense that the

> apartment is " safe " with the fact that the surroundings are clearly NOT

> safe. Does anyone have any guesses? Perhaps household EMFs are

> unusually low in the apartment (it's new, with good wiring). Still,

> that wouldn't explain why the cell radiation doesn't seem to bother us

> while we're inside?

>

> Cara

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[Guest guest]

Cell tower radiation vs. household EMFs

We are trying to reconcile my husband's subjective sense that the

apartment is " safe " with the fact that the surroundings are clearly NOT

safe. Does anyone have any guesses? Perhaps household EMFs are

unusually low in the apartment (it's new, with good wiring). Still,

that wouldn't explain why the cell radiation doesn't seem to bother us

while we're inside?

Cara

You are asking more of a spiritual question here. Sometimes our intuition is

our friend and sometimes it is our enemy. There is the " enemy within " that

likes to come out of hiding when things aren't going our way and attempts to

make things worse.

[Guest guest]

I can understand this dilemma. I have swung to both extremes, at times

trusting only my logic, and at times trusting only my intuition. I have

decided that both are bad advice-givers when looked at alone. Logic

often misses big-picture items, and intuition is often non-specific. In

fact there have been times when my intuition made no sense in the

immediate situation but I found it useful many years later in a similar

situation (I recall the earlier intuition and that helps me work through

a later situation).

So I would assess the intuition and see what the 'message' is. Then I

would take into account the logic of being that close to a microwave

emitter. Then try to act like an executive and take everything into

account and proceed with caution. Can you stay in the apartment for a

trial month, for example?

Here is some random logic to add to the intuition:

1. There is more going on with EMS than just microwaves. There

could be other factors, for example the geomagnetics for that location

may be very good, and the construction of the unit may include metal

that blocks the transmission.

2. Not all towers are the same, some people think that EMS is more

due to 'dirty' signals than the mere presence of signals. That tower

might have a fairly clean signal (not much static, etc.)

3. Your husband's intuition may be saying that a good location is

more about the construction of the unit itself than the ambient

radiation. Maybe that is a message about what to be looking for.

4. The good feeling may be due to a lack of wireless LANs in the

proximity, or some other variable that could be subject to change. So

it might not last.

--Kurt

SPAM-LOW: Cell tower radiation vs. household EMFs

I have come to trust my husband's subjective experience of EMFs more

than " objective " measures like meters, sometimes. With regard to

radiation from cell towers vs household EMFs (e.g. from refrigerator),

he describes the experience very differently. Cell tower radiation, he

says, feels like a powerful beam of light, directional. If you can find

a way to block the beam (stay in shadow of a shielding material),

you're protected. With household EMFs (at least in our previous home,

where my husband was " cooked " for over 7 years), EMFs felt like they

radiated up from the ground and surrounded him on all sides. It was

like being immersed in hot EMF soup, with nowhere to hide.

Does this match up with anyone else's experience? Very curious because

of the decision we're trying to make about this new apartment. The

inside of the apartment itself, bizarrely enough, *feels* very " cool "

energetically. And yet a cell tower sits practically right across the

street! Outside the building, you can feel the tower's effects unless

you wear protective shielding. My husband says his intuition is to move

into the apartment in spite of the cell tower, which sounds nuts to

both of us.

We are trying to reconcile my husband's subjective sense that the

apartment is " safe " with the fact that the surroundings are clearly NOT

safe. Does anyone have any guesses? Perhaps household EMFs are

unusually low in the apartment (it's new, with good wiring). Still,

that wouldn't explain why the cell radiation doesn't seem to bother us

while we're inside?

Cara

[Guest guest]

> Perhaps your desparation to find a suitable location/apartment is

> acting like one of the Bio devices that seem to work for some ESSERS ?

> your optimism is acting like a sheild

And exactly how many Bio devices have you tried? Not very

many I'd say, if you think they work by optimism...

Marc

[Guest guest]

, I hear you loud and clear. No apologies necessary, I like to hear

all points of view and for the record I happen to share the exact

concerns you voiced. We'll be visiting the apartment one last time to

take readings with meters *and* our physical senses, and if we have any

qualms after that we will walk away.

Cara

A mast outside/opposite the building cant be a good thing for you if

you are full spectrum ES. - MY ADVICE IS DONT GO THERE !

[Guest guest]

Thank you for your thoughts, Kurt. They make good sense to me. It's

unfortunate that only time will determine the truth. Most management

prefer that tenants sign a lease but I will try to obtain permission

for a one-month trial.

Cara

> So I would assess the intuition and see what the 'message' is.

Then I

> would take into account the logic of being that close to a

microwave

> emitter. Then try to act like an executive and take everything

into

> account and proceed with caution. Can you stay in the apartment

for a

> trial month, for example?

>

> Here is some random logic to add to the intuition:

>

> 1. There is more going on with EMS than just microwaves. There

> could be other factors, for example the geomagnetics for that

location

> may be very good, and the construction of the unit may include

metal

> that blocks the transmission.

> 2. Not all towers are the same, some people think that EMS is

more

> due to 'dirty' signals than the mere presence of signals. That

tower

> might have a fairly clean signal (not much static, etc.)

> 3. Your husband's intuition may be saying that a good location

is

> more about the construction of the unit itself than the ambient

> radiation. Maybe that is a message about what to be looking for.

> 4. The good feeling may be due to a lack of wireless LANs in the

> proximity, or some other variable that could be subject to

change. So

> it might not last.

>

> --Kurt

>

[Guest guest]

Perhaps your desparation to find a suitable location/apartment is

acting like one of the Bio devices that seem to work for some ESSERS ?

your optimism is acting like a sheild/also sometimes when we look to

buy something our infactuation causes us to view things through rose

tinted glasses. In light of the evidence I presume you have checked

out a meter reading first, a mast outside/opposite the building cant be

a good thing for you if you are full spectrum ES. - MY ADVICE IS DONT

GO THERE ! Once the honey moon period is over and youve lived there

for a while you will regret it. Dont forget about strong potential for

mast sharing/grouping plus traffic density varying throughout the

days/nights.

Sorry for not sounding positive, in they way you might want to hear?

You cant halt the march of progress, its a bad month for us all !

[Guest guest]

I give my husband executive summaries of the discussions here. His

response to the exchange below:

My husband has asked me to walk away from many, many possible homes

because he sensed EMF trouble (that I did not). We rejected the last

home only 3 weeks ago--a family-owned condo that would have been

practically free housing for us. (A huge plus when you are dealing with

chronic illness and feeling " desperate. " )

My husband approaches each new ES " remedy " with an open mind and as

much optimism as he can muster, but mostly with a healthy skepticism

(he is a scientist by training). Most ES remedies he eventually rejects

on the basis that they don't produce enough (consistently demonstrable)

results to be worthwhile. ES/MCS/CFS don't make him tend to see

benefits that aren't there; they make him impatient about anything that

wastes his precious energy and time.

None of this invalidates 's main point, that we need to guard

against emotions clouding our perception and judgment. But from what I

can see, most of the folks on this list take a critical, scientific

approach to our search for answers. And, speaking for just myself now,

if I believed optimism/emotional energy could be an effective shield

against EMFs, I would be all for it! Haven't figured out a way to do it

yet though. :-)

Cara

-- In , " Marc " <marc@...> wrote:

>

> > Perhaps your desparation to find a suitable location/apartment is

> > acting like one of the Bio devices that seem to work for some

ESSERS ?

> > your optimism is acting like a sheild

>

> And exactly how many Bio devices have you tried? Not very

> many I'd say, if you think they work by optimism...

>

> Marc

>

[Guest guest]

>

> , I hear you loud and clear. No apologies necessary,

I was not slagging off the power of some Bio devices, many of them

seem to work by boosting the bodies natural energy, our minds can do

this all to well both positive/negative, what I mean to say is that

while the adrenaline et al is going this can sheild us, but it does

not last. So I am glad that you will use a meter as well as your

combined senses. I for one am more sensitive than say the

electrosmog detector, but it is a necessary part of my armoury - I

aggree with the dillema re some places, I went to our cabin in Norway

last year (no elec there) and felt dreadful espescially late evening,

even though this place is v.remote there is a mast withing a km or 2,

cant wait to bring the esmog with me this year ! I was able to

demonstrate my sensitivity when driving through the mountains I

exclaimed that I felt zapped all of a sudden, hey presto a mast

appears as we come over the hill ! you cant escape the blighters !

Certainly with regard to my parents house I have had to trust my

feelings as at first without a meter of any sort I was feeling really

awful there, will not spend more than top max 1-2 hours there if I

have too, its like torture. Of course I had no evidence until I got

the esmog detector and found several low signals in the garden and

over the road not more than 7m from the boundary a very loud signal

but bizaarly enough not in the house, all the same I know that the

place is being strangley irradiated. There is a v.large mast with

severalcompanies sharing - this dood is evil I guess they have got

the right recipe of chaotic signals on this one.

Its a pity that we cant invent some form of dutch elm disease to kill

all the masts ! Can but fantisise ?

Ultimately, I suppose buying anything that is likely to impact on

your ES is always best brought on a trial basis, but I understand

your problem with the lease.

regards

PAUL

[Guest guest]

Hi, some random thoughts in reply. I too, have been looking for the

ideal home, the one that will offer me respite and - perish the

thought - recovery even. But boy is it tough! There are so many

boxes that need to be ticked, that it seems an insurmountable

problem. And there appear to be no short cuts.

maybe we have to accept that, like gypsies, we will be constantly on

the move, for a good while at least. I increasingly think the only

way is to buy somewhere (an option not open to me) away from masts

and then spend shed loads more cash adapting it from the electrical

point of view.

I've just upped sticks and moved from an urban area where I was

surrounded by strong EMR from phone masts, DECTS, etc...to a detached

place where there are zero masts, so at least i can rule that factor

out from my investigations for the time being. But unfortunately i

have stumbled into the whole area of power transformers and overhead

wires which are almost as bad.

Your husband's description of how he feels the different types of

energy is spot on. Stuff from towers, Dects, satellite dishes, tv

aerials, car locking systems all have a distinctly DIRECTIONAL feel

and even before i know the source, i know that its there because i

feel an urge to go under the dreaded silver plated net. If i

instinctively feel the net will help, then i know its " airborne " as i

describe it, though i know thats not strictly accurate.

In my new place i have no desire to go under the net and am sleeping

without it for the first time in 3 years. Hurrah! But your husband

is dead right about the EMF " soup " that emanates from strong

electrical fields from wiring etc..

(I have stayed in a few places in the same mast free district and

have been able to tolerate all the electricity being left on

absolutely fine, so I KNOW that i can tolerate a 'normal' amount.)

But the place i have taken on a permanent basis - sadly i was not

able to live permanently in the places where i truly did find peace -

has got a thick EMF SOUP. I'm not getting any surging in my guts, or

joint throbs so it must be borderline, but its definitely there, I

can feel the difference when I get about 100 metres from the house.

It makes me heavy headed and speech slurring, poor concentration,

clumsinness and is upsetting sleep.

The thing is that i felt it as soon as i walked into the house for

the viewing, but i was absolutely desperate by that stage and simply

had to take it. I hoped i could just shut the power down when i

moved in. But even when i switched all the power off the same

heavinness was there. Bummer!

I had also looked at another place , right near town, which had a TV

mast in clear view but a few miles away. Now when i viewed this

place i felt NOTHING, by which i mean, it felt good. My head felt

clear and lively as i spoke to the estate agent - it felt cool. Yet

the mast was there in clear view,it even registered faintly on my

Acom, and I KNOW FOR A FACT that i cannot tolerate ANY stuff from

masts.

Sorry, its taking me ages to get to the point. My fear is that your

husband might not feel the effects of the mast until night-time, when

he might find it impossible to sleep. The mast might also take a

while to accumulate. My friend made a good point that the

further the source of the EMFs the more difficult it is to detect.

If you have not been subjected to full on masts, you might not be so

sensitive. (since being away from them, it now takes me a good while

to know if they are there).

This is the biggest nightmare with finding accommodation, ie that we

won't know what the place is like until after the first night,

ideally it would be good to give it 2 weeks.

I really hope you manage to get the place for a month, that would be

great. If not, any chance of camping out there for a couple of

nights?!

You're right about the fact that stuff from masts etc can be screened

by material, etc.. but personally i never want to see another piece

of silver plated screening material in my life!! But then i know

that wanting something isn't getting. I see the future as being a

matter of swapping the sources of emr around, but never being able to

completely rid myself of there effects.

ramble over.

good luck, and remember your research is invaluable to us all!

best wishes

jane

>

> I have come to trust my husband's subjective experience of EMFs

more

> than " objective " measures like meters, sometimes. With regard to

> radiation from cell towers vs household EMFs (e.g. from

refrigerator),

> he describes the experience very differently. Cell tower radiation,

he

> says, feels like a powerful beam of light, directional. If you can

find

> a way to block the beam (stay in shadow of a shielding material),

> you're protected. With household EMFs (at least in our previous

home,

> where my husband was " cooked " for over 7 years), EMFs felt like

they

> radiated up from the ground and surrounded him on all sides. It was

> like being immersed in hot EMF soup, with nowhere to hide.

>

> Does this match up with anyone else's experience? Very curious

because

> of the decision we're trying to make about this new apartment. The

> inside of the apartment itself, bizarrely enough, *feels*

very " cool "

> energetically. And yet a cell tower sits practically right across

the

> street! Outside the building, you can feel the tower's effects

unless

> you wear protective shielding. My husband says his intuition is to

move

> into the apartment in spite of the cell tower, which sounds nuts to

> both of us.

>

> We are trying to reconcile my husband's subjective sense that the

> apartment is " safe " with the fact that the surroundings are clearly

NOT

> safe. Does anyone have any guesses? Perhaps household EMFs are

> unusually low in the apartment (it's new, with good wiring). Still,

> that wouldn't explain why the cell radiation doesn't seem to bother

us

> while we're inside?

>

> Cara

>

[Guest guest]

Just a question. when you say your husband has problems with satellite

dishes, do you mean the ones in the sky or the small ones on your roof pulling

in

the TV signals?I thought the small roof type only received and not

transmitted signals therefore not emitting EMF.

JIM

In a message dated 3/31/06 11:12:54 AM Eastern Standard Time,

canary65@... writes:

Hi, some random thoughts in reply. I too, have been looking for the

ideal home, the one that will offer me respite and - perish the

thought - recovery even. But boy is it tough! There are so many

boxes that need to be ticked, that it seems an insurmountable

problem. And there appear to be no short cuts.

maybe we have to accept that, like gypsies, we will be constantly on

the move, for a good while at least. I increasingly think the only

way is to buy somewhere (an option not open to me) away from masts

and then spend shed loads more cash adapting it from the electrical

point of view.

I've just upped sticks and moved from an urban area where I was

surrounded by strong EMR from phone masts, DECTS, etc...to a detached

place where there are zero masts, so at least i can rule that factor

out from my investigations for the time being. But unfortunately i

have stumbled into the whole area of power transformers and overhead

wires which are almost as bad.

Your husband's description of how he feels the different types of

energy is spot on. Stuff from towers, Dects, satellite dishes, tv

aerials, car locking systems all have a distinctly DIRECTIONAL feel

and even before i know the source, i know that its there because i

feel an urge to go under the dreaded silver plated net. If i

instinctively feel the net will help, then i know its " airborne " as i

describe it, though i know thats not strictly accurate.

In my new place i have no desire to go under the net and am sleeping

without it for the first time in 3 years. Hurrah! But your husband

is dead right about the EMF " soup " that emanates from strong

electrical fields from wiring etc..

(I have stayed in a few places in the same mast free district and

have been able to tolerate all the electricity being left on

absolutely fine, so I KNOW that i can tolerate a 'normal' amount.)

But the place i have taken on a permanent basis - sadly i was not

able to live permanently in the places where i truly did find peace -

has got a thick EMF SOUP. I'm not getting any surging in my guts, or

joint throbs so it must be borderline, but its definitely there, I

can feel the difference when I get about 100 metres from the house.

It makes me heavy headed and speech slurring, poor concentration,

clumsinness and is upsetting sleep.

The thing is that i felt it as soon as i walked into the house for

the viewing, but i was absolutely desperate by that stage and simply

had to take it. I hoped i could just shut the power down when i

moved in. But even when i switched all the power off the same

heavinness was there. Bummer!

I had also looked at another place , right near town, which had a TV

mast in clear view but a few miles away. Now when i viewed this

place i felt NOTHING, by which i mean, it felt good. My head felt

clear and lively as i spoke to the estate agent - it felt cool. Yet

the mast was there in clear view,it even registered faintly on my

Acom, and I KNOW FOR A FACT that i cannot tolerate ANY stuff from

masts.

Sorry, its taking me ages to get to the point. My fear is that your

husband might not feel the effects of the mast until night-time, when

he might find it impossible to sleep. The mast might also take a

while to accumulate. My friend made a good point that the

further the source of the EMFs the more difficult it is to detect.

If you have not been subjected to full on masts, you might not be so

sensitive. (since being away from them, it now takes me a good while

to know if they are there).

This is the biggest nightmare with finding accommodation, ie that we

won't know what the place is like until after the first night,

ideally it would be good to give it 2 weeks.

I really hope you manage to get the place for a month, that would be

great. If not, any chance of camping out there for a couple of

nights?!

You're right about the fact that stuff from masts etc can be screened

by material, etc.. but personally i never want to see another piece

of silver plated screening material in my life!! But then i know

that wanting something isn't getting. I see the future as being a

matter of swapping the sources of emr around, but never being able to

completely rid myself of there effects.

ramble over.

good luck, and remember your research is invaluable to us all!

best wishes

jane

>

> I have come to trust my husband's subjective experience of EMFs

more

> than " objective " measures like meters, sometimes. With regard to

> radiation from cell towers vs household EMFs (e.g. from

refrigerator),

> he describes the experience very differently. Cell tower radiation,

he

[Guest guest]

Jim, not sure whether your question is addressed to Jane (canaryuk)

or to me. Jane is the one who is sensitive to satellite dishes,

which she says to her feels similar to cell towers ( " directional " ).

My husband is definitely sensitive to cell towers, but we do not yet

know whether he is sensitive to satellite dishes. (He's sensitive to

plenty enough other things though!)

Cara

> >

> > I have come to trust my husband's subjective experience of EMFs

> more

> > than " objective " measures like meters, sometimes. With regard

to

> > radiation from cell towers vs household EMFs (e.g. from

> refrigerator),

> > he describes the experience very differently. Cell tower

radiation,

> he

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Jane, thanks for your input and even more for the sympathy. Means a

lot from someone who clearly understands what we're trying to do and

how it feels. A question and a few comments:

1. When you found the one house that felt energetically " cool " in

spite of having a mast nearby, you chose NOT to live there, correct?

Did you make that choice because you could SEE the mast, even if you

weren't (as far as you could feel at the time) actually bothered by

it? Or, did you later confirm (perhaps with additional visits?) that

the mast DID bother you?

2. It's nice to have someone else confirm my husband's experience of

the " directional " nature of the cell tower energy, because we have

decided to gamble the otherwise " cool " apartment with the tower

nearby, in the hopes that the tower--if it does end up bothering us

inside the apartment--will be relatively simple to mitigate. I have

no problem putting up metallic fabric shielding all over the walls

if that's what it takes. The EMF " soup " where we used to live, on

the other hand, seemed impossible to contain or deflect.

Anyway, Jane, it seems like our quest is identical but we have

chosen very difference approaches to the same problem, for now. You

are now living free from masts but unfortunately have to deal with

thick EMF soup inside your home. We will be moving right next door

to a mast, but will (we think) have fairly little EMF soup to deal

with inside the building. Talk about valuable research -- comparing

our experiences over time should be very interesting indeed.

What a crazy adventure!

~Cara

<snip>

But the place i have taken on a permanent basis - sadly i was not

> able to live permanently in the places where i truly did find

peace -

> has got a thick EMF SOUP. I'm not getting any surging in my guts,

or

> joint throbs so it must be borderline, but its definitely there, I

> can feel the difference when I get about 100 metres from the

house.

> It makes me heavy headed and speech slurring, poor concentration,

> clumsinness and is upsetting sleep.

<snip>

> I had also looked at another place , right near town, which had a

TV

> mast in clear view but a few miles away. Now when i viewed this

> place i felt NOTHING, by which i mean, it felt good. My head felt

> clear and lively as i spoke to the estate agent - it felt cool.

Yet

> the mast was there in clear view,it even registered faintly on my

> Acom, and I KNOW FOR A FACT that i cannot tolerate ANY stuff from

> masts.

<snip>

> You're right about the fact that stuff from masts etc can be

screened

> by material, etc.. but personally i never want to see another

piece

> of silver plated screening material in my life!! >

>

> jane

>

[Guest guest]

I have about eight satellite dishes in my yard. I can get some pretty serious

ES symptoms when I spend a lot of time touching the equipment with tools and

making adjustments, etc. I've never noticed any bad symptoms without touching

them though.

Re: Cell tower radiation vs. household EMFs

Jim, not sure whether your question is addressed to Jane (canaryuk)

or to me. Jane is the one who is sensitive to satellite dishes,

which she says to her feels similar to cell towers ( " directional " ).

My husband is definitely sensitive to cell towers, but we do not yet

know whether he is sensitive to satellite dishes. (He's sensitive to

plenty enough other things though!)

Cara

> >

> > I have come to trust my husband's subjective experience of EMFs

> more

> > than " objective " measures like meters, sometimes. With regard

to

> > radiation from cell towers vs household EMFs (e.g. from

> refrigerator),

> > he describes the experience very differently. Cell tower

radiation,

> he

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Cara, thanks for the reply and sorry for the long delay.

So it sounds like you have decided upon the 'cool' house below the

mast. I think its probably as good-a decision as any. Like i said

before, i don't think that there are any shortcuts finding somewhere

to live, it seems to boil down to trial and error, with all of us

having to muddle along with any errors of judgement we might have

made. And trying not to be too hard on ourselves in the process!

Hopefully we'll all get there in the end! I hope it works out.

I did not take the 'cool' feeling house with the mast nearby as i did

not want to chance it. I ended up taking the 'hot' feeling house

away from the masts!! Ahh well, at least i'm learning all about the

other side of ES: having become an expert in masts, i am now learning

all about overhead cables, power transformers, etc.. and how they

effect me,

which is....not TOO bad in the daytime, but definitely not as good as

I KNOW i can feel. I am definitely sluggish, notice it particularly

when i have to interact with other ppl which involves alot of

energy. But when on my own i can concentrate ok on reading, think a

bit and i can also listen to and enjoy music again alot more. I get

used to feeling a bit crap. I notice it most when i come back from a

walk in the hills which feel incredibly pure and as soon as i get

about 100 yards from all the electrical gear near my house (i'm

reluctant to go into precise details, cos of what ppl might tell me

about it!) i feel the heaviness return, no pain or anything, just a

removal of lightness of energy and thought.

It is however affecting my sleep, which is pretty poor, and i wake up

alot with a feeling of heating deep inside my legs and lower spine.

At the moment it seems to be more discomfort than pain. Also having

problems getting into a deep sleep, my mind will keep repeating the

same refrain from a song or something, like a scratched record where

the needle keeps flicking back and can't move on. My mind can't get

a grip on sleep.

So not ideal! Liveable with, but not progressable from, treading

water.

I meant to say in my previous mail that when i was looking for

temporary accommodation i looked at a holiday let that was, like your

new place(?), directly underneath a small mast which was on a moutain

top. The place was directly underneath and so shielded by the

mountain rock above it. I tried it with my Acom which was silent as

long as i was right next to the house. It sounded as soon as i

stepped a metre or two away from the house. But as we all know, most

of us are more sensitive than our Acoms, so i'm pretty certain there

would have been 'rays' reaching the house. I was tempted, thought it

might actually be very ironic to live directly under a mast, but once

again bottled out.

If there are 'rays' reaching 'your' house under the mast one would

hope that they are incredibly weak and therefore unable to penetrate

walls, and that possibly simply screening the windows would be

sufficient.

So are you living there? Hows it going?

About the EMF soup you previously lived in. Was that the result of

overhead cables/transformers near the house, or 'simply' because of

warped wiring inside the house?

best wishes,

jane

>

> <snip>

> But the place i have taken on a permanent basis - sadly i was not

> > able to live permanently in the places where i truly did find

> peace -

> > has got a thick EMF SOUP. I'm not getting any surging in my

guts,

> or

> > joint throbs so it must be borderline, but its definitely there,

I

> > can feel the difference when I get about 100 metres from the

> house.

> > It makes me heavy headed and speech slurring, poor concentration,

> > clumsinness and is upsetting sleep.

>

> <snip>

> > I had also looked at another place , right near town, which had a

> TV

> > mast in clear view but a few miles away. Now when i viewed this

> > place i felt NOTHING, by which i mean, it felt good. My head

felt

> > clear and lively as i spoke to the estate agent - it felt cool.

> Yet

> > the mast was there in clear view,it even registered faintly on my

> > Acom, and I KNOW FOR A FACT that i cannot tolerate ANY stuff from

> > masts.

>

> <snip>

> > You're right about the fact that stuff from masts etc can be

> screened

> > by material, etc.. but personally i never want to see another

> piece

> > of silver plated screening material in my life!! >

> >

> > jane

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Now that a couple people have noticed this, about the house seeming

okay, very near a mast, I have a thought.

You know how the garden sprinklers on a post that go round and round

make an arch? If you get near the center, in the right area, you don't

get hit with the water.

Depending how the waves go out from the mast, it may be doing something

very similar. Anyone who could test this?

~ Snoshoe

> I meant to say in my previous mail that when i was looking for

> temporary accommodation i looked at a holiday let that was, like your

> new place(?), directly underneath a small mast which was on a moutain

> top. The place was directly underneath and so shielded by the

> mountain rock above it. I tried it with my Acom which was silent as

> long as i was right next to the house. It sounded as soon as i

> stepped a metre or two away from the house. But as we all know, most

> of us are more sensitive than our Acoms, so i'm pretty certain there

> would have been 'rays' reaching the house. I was tempted, thought it

> might actually be very ironic to live directly under a mast, but once

> again bottled out.

[Guest guest]

Jane, we've been living in the " cool " house under the mast for about a week.

Experience is

confirming our initial impressions. My husband has more energy here, sleeps

better,

electrical appliances do not seem to harm him as much as in previous homes. The

cell

tower does not seem to affect him while we are inside the apartment. He wears

the

LessEMF cap when he goes outdoors. Too early for firm conclusions, but I'll keep

you

posted.

Your symptoms in your current home (high household EMFs) are *strikingly*

similar to my

husband's in our previous (EMF soup) home: poor sleep, low energy, fuzzy

thinking, high

pain, the sense of being " cooked " from the inside. My husband used to say his

blood was

boiling. He felt these symptoms in our general neighborhood (they receded as we

drove

away) and they got stronger as we approached our particular building (in our

carport,

before we even entered our apartment). Our building was surrounded by overhead

cables

on the side near our apartment and also the building itself was old, with

outdated (and

almost certainly faulty) wiring.

Jane, are you able to turn off all the power to your house at night? We found

that this

helped with sleep. My husband had exactly the sleep problem you're describing --

mind

unable to get a grip on sleep -- he had it for years, before we recognized the

EMF issue.

He tried every prescription and non-prescription sleep aid available. When we

finally just

started turning off all power to our apartment at night, he did a little better.

Cara

> I ended up taking the 'hot' feeling house

> away from the masts!! Ahh well, at least i'm learning all about the

> other side of ES: having become an expert in masts, i am now learning

> all about overhead cables, power transformers, etc.. and how they

> effect me,

> About the EMF soup you previously lived in. Was that the result of

> overhead cables/transformers near the house, or 'simply' because of

> warped wiring inside the house?

>

> best wishes,

> jane

>

>

[Guest guest]

hi cara, thanks for your reply. Fascinating news! And I'm glad that

you've both found some peace at last. A week is good going if you

ask me, with masts i feel the effects within 24 hours. But right

underneath a mast! The irony of it! So, it looks like Instinct may

have triumphed afterall, something for me to bear in mind. It sounds

like even if it isn't perfect then you've certainly made the

situation alot more tolerable. I hope it lasts. Initial results

certainly seem encouraging.

When i switch all the power off it makes only a slight difference,

which is why i know the main cause must be outside. Its sort of

liveable with, sort of, but my system is permanently vaguely

depressed. Sleep has improved slightly of late. I'm now at least

getting SOME sleep.

I have become fascinated by the structure of the electric grid near

me, becasue i am wondering if the change in my sleep as a result of

the easing of the charged atmosphere at night is to do with less

demand at night. All of the houses further down the line from me

have those ghastly night storage heaters and i'm wondering if with

the warmer weather they've swtiched them off whihc is in turn helping

me. But i can't work out if the whole grid goes in a loop, in which

case my theory probably doesn't hold, or if my house is on a " spur " ,

in whcih case there are only about 10 houses beyond me. Ho hum.

library about to close, will try and get through the rest of the

messages on thurs...

best wishes

j

>

> > I ended up taking the 'hot' feeling house

> > away from the masts!! Ahh well, at least i'm learning all about

the

> > other side of ES: having become an expert in masts, i am now

learning

> > all about overhead cables, power transformers, etc.. and how they

> > effect me,

>

> > About the EMF soup you previously lived in. Was that the result

of

> > overhead cables/transformers near the house, or 'simply' because

of

> > warped wiring inside the house?

> >

> > best wishes,

> > jane

> >

> >

>