Guest guest Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 Your story doesnt seem crazy at all. My symptoms got worse when I moved to the uk and my symptoms always invariably improve when I am inThailand as well. Â A From: <@...> Subject: Just a crazy story Date: Tuesday, 23 February, 2010, 6:33 Â Hi all, I was not sure whether I should post this, because it is too absurd to be true, but whether I like it or not it is true and I think I should share it... I'm 31 years old and I live in Belgium. Belgium is a small country in Europe, most known for its capital Brussels. As a lot of people here I'm also sensitive to laptops, cellphones, cars,... the usual stuff But even more worryingly I'm hypersensitive for some high frequent EMF in: the Netherlands, Germany, England and France (+ probably a lot of other countries) If I visit these countries I get migraine and pain in my heart and within +/- 12 hours I really have to leave that country or I'll get something really serious. It's a bit worse in the cities but I even get sick when I'm in the middle of nowhere: in a hotel or just walking outside! The only places where I have been fine the past 3 years are Belgium and Thailand. But a few places in Belgium I can't stand neither, on the Belgian Coast for instance, I used to live there, I got sick from the day they installed Wifi for free on the beach... This is all the more strange as in other places in Belgium (like 99%) I can stand Wifi/cell phone masts for instance... And in Belgium we also have 3G/UMTS- access on most cellphone masts... Knowing that I may have to move to Antarctica or some place where EMF is not advanced makes me sometimes very desperate. The only reason why I'm trying to be hopeful is that 3 years ago in the Netherlands, my symptoms were even worse than they are now... So it may be getting better because the effect of some things I shouldn't have tried 3 years ago (such as Bio-magnets, ...) have diminished.. . Well this is more or less my crazy story... So far I've told this only to my brothers, sisters, parents and 2 friends... Other people that know me simply don't understand why I don't go more on vacation abroad! Maybe there is an interesting tip for other sensitives, if you want to go on vacation with (probably) a lower emf-radiation, go to Belgium or Thailand best regards, . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 I read about anoher whose symptoms improves in Thailand too. Could the earth magnetism be involved here? Lastly, do you have a reference about manganese and allergies? I am low in manganese and suffer severe allergies and MCS. Thanks, Kooky From: stephen_vandevijver e <stephen_vandevijver e@...> Subject: Just a crazy story groups (DOT) com Date: Tuesday, 23 February, 2010, 6:33  Hi all, I was not sure whether I should post this, because it is too absurd to be true, but whether I like it or not it is true and I think I should share it... I'm 31 years old and I live in Belgium. Belgium is a small country in Europe, most known for its capital Brussels. As a lot of people here I'm also sensitive to laptops, cellphones, cars,... the usual stuff But even more worryingly I'm hypersensitive for some high frequent EMF in: the Netherlands, Germany, England and France (+ probably a lot of other countries) If I visit these countries I get migraine and pain in my heart and within +/- 12 hours I really have to leave that country or I'll get something really serious. It's a bit worse in the cities but I even get sick when I'm in the middle of nowhere: in a hotel or just walking outside! The only places where I have been fine the past 3 years are Belgium and Thailand. But a few places in Belgium I can't stand neither, on the Belgian Coast for instance, I used to live there, I got sick from the day they installed Wifi for free on the beach... This is all the more strange as in other places in Belgium (like 99%) I can stand Wifi/cell phone masts for instance... And in Belgium we also have 3G/UMTS- access on most cellphone masts... Knowing that I may have to move to Antarctica or some place where EMF is not advanced makes me sometimes very desperate. The only reason why I'm trying to be hopeful is that 3 years ago in the Netherlands, my symptoms were even worse than they are now... So it may be getting better because the effect of some things I shouldn't have tried 3 years ago (such as Bio-magnets, ...) have diminished.. . Well this is more or less my crazy story... So far I've told this only to my brothers, sisters, parents and 2 friends... Other people that know me simply don't understand why I don't go more on vacation abroad! Maybe there is an interesting tip for other sensitives, if you want to go on vacation with (probably) a lower emf-radiation, go to Belgium or Thailand best regards, . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 > I read about anoher whose symptoms improves > in Thailand too. Or maybe there is something somehow different about the GEO satellites pointing at Thailand, or some signal that is not embedded on the electrical powers lines, or less wide area Wi-Fi, etc.? Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 Indeed Belgium is a small country. You don't have to travel to Thailand, there are many places in Belgium, where the elektrosmog is very low. Especially in the borden regions. Along the autoroutes, in Belgium the masts are merely GSM1800, where in the Netherlands the most part are GSM900, which harm more. The TETRA, in Belgium called the Astrid network, is not so overwhelming as in the Netherlands. Electrosensitives should stay far away from magnets, even when they are called, Bio. Why don't you start healimng yourself, in stead of mocking? Greetings, Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton Just a crazy story > Hi all, > > I was not sure whether I should post this, because it is too absurd to be > true, but whether I like it or not it is true and I think I should share > it... > > I'm 31 years old and I live in Belgium. Belgium is a small country in > Europe, most known for its capital Brussels. > > As a lot of people here I'm also sensitive to laptops, cellphones, > cars,... the usual stuff > > But even more worryingly I'm hypersensitive for some high frequent EMF in: > the Netherlands, Germany, England and France (+ probably a lot of other > countries) > > If I visit these countries I get migraine and pain in my heart and within > +/- 12 hours I really have to leave that country or I'll get something > really serious. It's a bit worse in the cities but I even get sick when > I'm in the middle of nowhere: in a hotel or just walking outside! > > The only places where I have been fine the past 3 years are Belgium and > Thailand. > > But a few places in Belgium I can't stand neither, on the Belgian Coast > for instance, I used to live there, I got sick from the day they installed > Wifi for free on the beach... > > This is all the more strange as in other places in Belgium (like 99%) I > can stand Wifi/cell phone masts for instance... And in Belgium we also > have 3G/UMTS- access on most cellphone masts... > > Knowing that I may have to move to Antarctica or some place where EMF is > not advanced makes me sometimes very desperate. The only reason why I'm > trying to be hopeful is that 3 years ago in the Netherlands, my symptoms > were even worse than they are now... So it may be getting better because > the effect of some things I shouldn't have tried 3 years ago (such as > Bio-magnets,...) have diminished... > > Well this is more or less my crazy story... So far I've told this only to > my brothers, sisters, parents and 2 friends... > Other people that know me simply don't understand why I don't go more on > vacation abroad! > > Maybe there is an interesting tip for other sensitives, if you want to go > on vacation with (probably) a lower emf-radiation, go to Belgium or > Thailand > > best regards, > . > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 I dont understand the physics at all what does GSM mean and how do these frequencies pertain to the uk?. Can you suggest any other low electrosmog areas in europe apart from Belgium?.  Thanks  A From: charles <charles@...> Subject: Re: Just a crazy story Date: Tuesday, 23 February, 2010, 7:23  Indeed Belgium is a small country. You don't have to travel to Thailand, there are many places in Belgium, where the elektrosmog is very low. Especially in the borden regions. Along the autoroutes, in Belgium the masts are merely GSM1800, where in the Netherlands the most part are GSM900, which harm more. The TETRA, in Belgium called the Astrid network, is not so overwhelming as in the Netherlands. Electrosensitives should stay far away from magnets, even when they are called, Bio. Why don't you start healimng yourself, in stead of mocking? Greetings, Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes. nl www.milieuziektes. be www.hetbitje. nl checked by Norton Just a crazy story > Hi all, > > I was not sure whether I should post this, because it is too absurd to be > true, but whether I like it or not it is true and I think I should share > it... > > I'm 31 years old and I live in Belgium. Belgium is a small country in > Europe, most known for its capital Brussels. > > As a lot of people here I'm also sensitive to laptops, cellphones, > cars,... the usual stuff > > But even more worryingly I'm hypersensitive for some high frequent EMF in: > the Netherlands, Germany, England and France (+ probably a lot of other > countries) > > If I visit these countries I get migraine and pain in my heart and within > +/- 12 hours I really have to leave that country or I'll get something > really serious. It's a bit worse in the cities but I even get sick when > I'm in the middle of nowhere: in a hotel or just walking outside! > > The only places where I have been fine the past 3 years are Belgium and > Thailand. > > But a few places in Belgium I can't stand neither, on the Belgian Coast > for instance, I used to live there, I got sick from the day they installed > Wifi for free on the beach... > > This is all the more strange as in other places in Belgium (like 99%) I > can stand Wifi/cell phone masts for instance... And in Belgium we also > have 3G/UMTS- access on most cellphone masts... > > Knowing that I may have to move to Antarctica or some place where EMF is > not advanced makes me sometimes very desperate. The only reason why I'm > trying to be hopeful is that 3 years ago in the Netherlands, my symptoms > were even worse than they are now... So it may be getting better because > the effect of some things I shouldn't have tried 3 years ago (such as > Bio-magnets, ...) have diminished.. . > > Well this is more or less my crazy story... So far I've told this only to > my brothers, sisters, parents and 2 friends... > Other people that know me simply don't understand why I don't go more on > vacation abroad! > > Maybe there is an interesting tip for other sensitives, if you want to go > on vacation with (probably) a lower emf-radiation, go to Belgium or > Thailand > > best regards, > . > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 Hi, About Thailand, I don't think it has something to do with GEO-satellites. I'm almost certain I'm feeling okey there because the high freq. EMF radiation there is better/less. The same thing must be true about Belgium. I've once read somewhere that Thailand is one of the only quite modern countries that don't have 3G/UMTS (at least that was 2 years ago). Strange thing is that Belgium do has got 3G/UMTS (but maybe in a less stronger signal...). Kooky: with me it's not linked with earth magnetism. The countries where I have also trouble (like France) are all closeby to Belgium... greets, . > > > I read about anoher whose symptoms improves > > in Thailand too. > > Or maybe there is something somehow different > about the GEO satellites pointing at Thailand, > or some signal that is not embedded on the > electrical powers lines, or less wide area > Wi-Fi, etc.? > > Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 Hi ,  Interesting story! Can I come (from US) by canoe?  I am unable to fly due to anaphylaxis from pesticides--(all forms of transportation use pesticides). I am hoping to bicycle to a jungle in Brazil someday, if the canoe doesn't work out.   lol  Thanks for sharing with us, Diane From: <@...> Subject: Just a crazy story Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 2:33 PM  Hi all, I was not sure whether I should post this, because it is too absurd to be true, but whether I like it or not it is true and I think I should share it... I'm 31 years old and I live in Belgium. Belgium is a small country in Europe, most known for its capital Brussels. As a lot of people here I'm also sensitive to laptops, cellphones, cars,... the usual stuff But even more worryingly I'm hypersensitive for some high frequent EMF in: the Netherlands, Germany, England and France (+ probably a lot of other countries) If I visit these countries I get migraine and pain in my heart and within +/- 12 hours I really have to leave that country or I'll get something really serious. It's a bit worse in the cities but I even get sick when I'm in the middle of nowhere: in a hotel or just walking outside! The only places where I have been fine the past 3 years are Belgium and Thailand. But a few places in Belgium I can't stand neither, on the Belgian Coast for instance, I used to live there, I got sick from the day they installed Wifi for free on the beach... This is all the more strange as in other places in Belgium (like 99%) I can stand Wifi/cell phone masts for instance... And in Belgium we also have 3G/UMTS- access on most cellphone masts... Knowing that I may have to move to Antarctica or some place where EMF is not advanced makes me sometimes very desperate. The only reason why I'm trying to be hopeful is that 3 years ago in the Netherlands, my symptoms were even worse than they are now... So it may be getting better because the effect of some things I shouldn't have tried 3 years ago (such as Bio-magnets, ...) have diminished.. . Well this is more or less my crazy story... So far I've told this only to my brothers, sisters, parents and 2 friends... Other people that know me simply don't understand why I don't go more on vacation abroad! Maybe there is an interesting tip for other sensitives, if you want to go on vacation with (probably) a lower emf-radiation, go to Belgium or Thailand best regards, . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 Hi , Yes maybe the problem could be what you're mentioning about the cellphone/GSM-frequency... By the way, it's not like I'm pessimistic or I haven't tried to heal myself. The past 3 years I've done a lot to get better, and I'm still learning every day greets, . > > Indeed Belgium is a small country. > You don't have to travel to Thailand, there are many places in Belgium, > where the elektrosmog is very low. > Especially in the borden regions. > > Along the autoroutes, in Belgium the masts are merely GSM1800, where in the > Netherlands the most part are GSM900, which harm more. > > The TETRA, in Belgium called the Astrid network, is not so overwhelming as > in the Netherlands. > > Electrosensitives should stay far away from magnets, even when they are > called, Bio. > > Why don't you start healimng yourself, in stead of mocking? > > Greetings, > Claessens > member Verband Baubiologie > www.milieuziektes.nl > www.milieuziektes.be > www.hetbitje.nl > checked by Norton > > > > > > > Just a crazy story > > > > Hi all, > > > > I was not sure whether I should post this, because it is too absurd to be > > true, but whether I like it or not it is true and I think I should share > > it... > > > > I'm 31 years old and I live in Belgium. Belgium is a small country in > > Europe, most known for its capital Brussels. > > > > As a lot of people here I'm also sensitive to laptops, cellphones, > > cars,... the usual stuff > > > > But even more worryingly I'm hypersensitive for some high frequent EMF in: > > the Netherlands, Germany, England and France (+ probably a lot of other > > countries) > > > > If I visit these countries I get migraine and pain in my heart and within > > +/- 12 hours I really have to leave that country or I'll get something > > really serious. It's a bit worse in the cities but I even get sick when > > I'm in the middle of nowhere: in a hotel or just walking outside! > > > > The only places where I have been fine the past 3 years are Belgium and > > Thailand. > > > > But a few places in Belgium I can't stand neither, on the Belgian Coast > > for instance, I used to live there, I got sick from the day they installed > > Wifi for free on the beach... > > > > This is all the more strange as in other places in Belgium (like 99%) I > > can stand Wifi/cell phone masts for instance... And in Belgium we also > > have 3G/UMTS- access on most cellphone masts... > > > > Knowing that I may have to move to Antarctica or some place where EMF is > > not advanced makes me sometimes very desperate. The only reason why I'm > > trying to be hopeful is that 3 years ago in the Netherlands, my symptoms > > were even worse than they are now... So it may be getting better because > > the effect of some things I shouldn't have tried 3 years ago (such as > > Bio-magnets,...) have diminished... > > > > Well this is more or less my crazy story... So far I've told this only to > > my brothers, sisters, parents and 2 friends... > > Other people that know me simply don't understand why I don't go more on > > vacation abroad! > > > > Maybe there is an interesting tip for other sensitives, if you want to go > > on vacation with (probably) a lower emf-radiation, go to Belgium or > > Thailand > > > > best regards, > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 Hi Kooky, About your question, > Lastly, do you have a reference about manganese > and allergies? I am low in manganese and suffer > severe allergies and MCS. I have one in Dutch! http://www.infotalia.com/nld/in_balans/gezonde_voeding/mineralen/mineraal_detail\ ..asp?id=285 " mangaan bevordert de genezing van enkele allergieën " = manganese is good for curing allergies I've been googling to find a source in English, on this page you find that among other vitamins/minerals manganese is mentioned as a " natural allergy relief " : http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art11767.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 Hi, ,  I didn't think what wrote was mocking! What was it in the post which offended you, Dear?  Btw, my nerves in my hand are starting to regenerate finally!  I am having less ES and phantom pain there, ! (I have been wearing ruby zoisite and amazonite bracelets and I think they have helped my nerves grow some.) Thanks for your insight on the phantom pain when it was bad, . I appreciate you and your input. (Still waiting on your health protocol, btw--I might beat you at putting mine out first, if you don't hurry! lol  Just kidding you.)  Diane From: charles <charles@...> Subject: Re: Just a crazy story Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 3:23 PM  Indeed Belgium is a small country. You don't have to travel to Thailand, there are many places in Belgium, where the elektrosmog is very low. Especially in the borden regions. Along the autoroutes, in Belgium the masts are merely GSM1800, where in the Netherlands the most part are GSM900, which harm more. The TETRA, in Belgium called the Astrid network, is not so overwhelming as in the Netherlands. Electrosensitives should stay far away from magnets, even when they are called, Bio. Why don't you start healimng yourself, in stead of mocking? Greetings, Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes. nl www.milieuziektes. be www.hetbitje. nl checked by Norton Just a crazy story > Hi all, > > I was not sure whether I should post this, because it is too absurd to be > true, but whether I like it or not it is true and I think I should share > it... > > I'm 31 years old and I live in Belgium. Belgium is a small country in > Europe, most known for its capital Brussels. > > As a lot of people here I'm also sensitive to laptops, cellphones, > cars,... the usual stuff > > But even more worryingly I'm hypersensitive for some high frequent EMF in: > the Netherlands, Germany, England and France (+ probably a lot of other > countries) > > If I visit these countries I get migraine and pain in my heart and within > +/- 12 hours I really have to leave that country or I'll get something > really serious. It's a bit worse in the cities but I even get sick when > I'm in the middle of nowhere: in a hotel or just walking outside! > > The only places where I have been fine the past 3 years are Belgium and > Thailand. > > But a few places in Belgium I can't stand neither, on the Belgian Coast > for instance, I used to live there, I got sick from the day they installed > Wifi for free on the beach... > > This is all the more strange as in other places in Belgium (like 99%) I > can stand Wifi/cell phone masts for instance... And in Belgium we also > have 3G/UMTS- access on most cellphone masts... > > Knowing that I may have to move to Antarctica or some place where EMF is > not advanced makes me sometimes very desperate. The only reason why I'm > trying to be hopeful is that 3 years ago in the Netherlands, my symptoms > were even worse than they are now... So it may be getting better because > the effect of some things I shouldn't have tried 3 years ago (such as > Bio-magnets, ...) have diminished.. . > > Well this is more or less my crazy story... So far I've told this only to > my brothers, sisters, parents and 2 friends... > Other people that know me simply don't understand why I don't go more on > vacation abroad! > > Maybe there is an interesting tip for other sensitives, if you want to go > on vacation with (probably) a lower emf-radiation, go to Belgium or > Thailand > > best regards, > . > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 Well thanks, Any ES-er is always welcome here, I live more or less in the forest and between farmers, so there's enough room to put up your tent here > > > From: <@...> > Subject: Just a crazy story > > Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 2:33 PM > > > Â > > > > Hi all, > > I was not sure whether I should post this, because it is too absurd to be true, but whether I like it or not it is true and I think I should share it... > > I'm 31 years old and I live in Belgium. Belgium is a small country in Europe, most known for its capital Brussels. > > As a lot of people here I'm also sensitive to laptops, cellphones, cars,... the usual stuff > > But even more worryingly I'm hypersensitive for some high frequent EMF in: > the Netherlands, Germany, England and France (+ probably a lot of other countries) > > If I visit these countries I get migraine and pain in my heart and within +/- 12 hours I really have to leave that country or I'll get something really serious. It's a bit worse in the cities but I even get sick when I'm in the middle of nowhere: in a hotel or just walking outside! > > The only places where I have been fine the past 3 years are Belgium and Thailand. > > But a few places in Belgium I can't stand neither, on the Belgian Coast for instance, I used to live there, I got sick from the day they installed Wifi for free on the beach... > > This is all the more strange as in other places in Belgium (like 99%) I can stand Wifi/cell phone masts for instance... And in Belgium we also have 3G/UMTS- access on most cellphone masts... > > Knowing that I may have to move to Antarctica or some place where EMF is not advanced makes me sometimes very desperate. The only reason why I'm trying to be hopeful is that 3 years ago in the Netherlands, my symptoms were even worse than they are now... So it may be getting better because the effect of some things I shouldn't have tried 3 years ago (such as Bio-magnets, ...) have diminished.. . > > Well this is more or less my crazy story... So far I've told this only to my brothers, sisters, parents and 2 friends... > Other people that know me simply don't understand why I don't go more on vacation abroad! > > Maybe there is an interesting tip for other sensitives, if you want to go on vacation with (probably) a lower emf-radiation, go to Belgium or Thailand > > best regards, > . > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 LOL Sounds wonderful, . Looking for a sea-worthy canoe....... j/k  Diane From: <@...> Subject: Re: Just a crazy story Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 4:43 PM  Well thanks, Any ES-er is always welcome here, I live more or less in the forest and between farmers, so there's enough room to put up your tent here > > > From: stephen_vandevijver e <stephen_vandevijve re@...> > Subject: Just a crazy story > groups (DOT) com > Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 2:33 PM > > >  > > > > Hi all, > > I was not sure whether I should post this, because it is too absurd to be true, but whether I like it or not it is true and I think I should share it... > > I'm 31 years old and I live in Belgium. Belgium is a small country in Europe, most known for its capital Brussels. > > As a lot of people here I'm also sensitive to laptops, cellphones, cars,... the usual stuff > > But even more worryingly I'm hypersensitive for some high frequent EMF in: > the Netherlands, Germany, England and France (+ probably a lot of other countries) > > If I visit these countries I get migraine and pain in my heart and within +/- 12 hours I really have to leave that country or I'll get something really serious. It's a bit worse in the cities but I even get sick when I'm in the middle of nowhere: in a hotel or just walking outside! > > The only places where I have been fine the past 3 years are Belgium and Thailand. > > But a few places in Belgium I can't stand neither, on the Belgian Coast for instance, I used to live there, I got sick from the day they installed Wifi for free on the beach... > > This is all the more strange as in other places in Belgium (like 99%) I can stand Wifi/cell phone masts for instance... And in Belgium we also have 3G/UMTS- access on most cellphone masts... > > Knowing that I may have to move to Antarctica or some place where EMF is not advanced makes me sometimes very desperate. The only reason why I'm trying to be hopeful is that 3 years ago in the Netherlands, my symptoms were even worse than they are now... So it may be getting better because the effect of some things I shouldn't have tried 3 years ago (such as Bio-magnets, ...) have diminished.. . > > Well this is more or less my crazy story... So far I've told this only to my brothers, sisters, parents and 2 friends... > Other people that know me simply don't understand why I don't go more on vacation abroad! > > Maybe there is an interesting tip for other sensitives, if you want to go on vacation with (probably) a lower emf-radiation, go to Belgium or Thailand > > best regards, > . > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 I may have to move to a deserted island at some point so I know how you feel my friend. Thanks for your story ! Â Loni From: <@...> Subject: Just a crazy story Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 12:33 PM Â Hi all, I was not sure whether I should post this, because it is too absurd to be true, but whether I like it or not it is true and I think I should share it... I'm 31 years old and I live in Belgium. Belgium is a small country in Europe, most known for its capital Brussels. As a lot of people here I'm also sensitive to laptops, cellphones, cars,... the usual stuff But even more worryingly I'm hypersensitive for some high frequent EMF in: the Netherlands, Germany, England and France (+ probably a lot of other countries) If I visit these countries I get migraine and pain in my heart and within +/- 12 hours I really have to leave that country or I'll get something really serious. It's a bit worse in the cities but I even get sick when I'm in the middle of nowhere: in a hotel or just walking outside! The only places where I have been fine the past 3 years are Belgium and Thailand. But a few places in Belgium I can't stand neither, on the Belgian Coast for instance, I used to live there, I got sick from the day they installed Wifi for free on the beach... This is all the more strange as in other places in Belgium (like 99%) I can stand Wifi/cell phone masts for instance... And in Belgium we also have 3G/UMTS- access on most cellphone masts... Knowing that I may have to move to Antarctica or some place where EMF is not advanced makes me sometimes very desperate. The only reason why I'm trying to be hopeful is that 3 years ago in the Netherlands, my symptoms were even worse than they are now... So it may be getting better because the effect of some things I shouldn't have tried 3 years ago (such as Bio-magnets, ...) have diminished.. . Well this is more or less my crazy story... So far I've told this only to my brothers, sisters, parents and 2 friends... Other people that know me simply don't understand why I don't go more on vacation abroad! Maybe there is an interesting tip for other sensitives, if you want to go on vacation with (probably) a lower emf-radiation, go to Belgium or Thailand best regards, . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 I equal the sentiment. I cant imagine how things will be in the future with this techology continually amplifying and multiplying, My feelings are that it will be trully truly bad.  A From: stephen_vandevijver e <stephen_vandevijver e@...> Subject: Just a crazy story groups (DOT) com Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 12:33 PM  Hi all, I was not sure whether I should post this, because it is too absurd to be true, but whether I like it or not it is true and I think I should share it... I'm 31 years old and I live in Belgium. Belgium is a small country in Europe, most known for its capital Brussels. As a lot of people here I'm also sensitive to laptops, cellphones, cars,... the usual stuff But even more worryingly I'm hypersensitive for some high frequent EMF in: the Netherlands, Germany, England and France (+ probably a lot of other countries) If I visit these countries I get migraine and pain in my heart and within +/- 12 hours I really have to leave that country or I'll get something really serious. It's a bit worse in the cities but I even get sick when I'm in the middle of nowhere: in a hotel or just walking outside! The only places where I have been fine the past 3 years are Belgium and Thailand. But a few places in Belgium I can't stand neither, on the Belgian Coast for instance, I used to live there, I got sick from the day they installed Wifi for free on the beach... This is all the more strange as in other places in Belgium (like 99%) I can stand Wifi/cell phone masts for instance... And in Belgium we also have 3G/UMTS- access on most cellphone masts... Knowing that I may have to move to Antarctica or some place where EMF is not advanced makes me sometimes very desperate. The only reason why I'm trying to be hopeful is that 3 years ago in the Netherlands, my symptoms were even worse than they are now... So it may be getting better because the effect of some things I shouldn't have tried 3 years ago (such as Bio-magnets, ...) have diminished.. . Well this is more or less my crazy story... So far I've told this only to my brothers, sisters, parents and 2 friends... Other people that know me simply don't understand why I don't go more on vacation abroad! Maybe there is an interesting tip for other sensitives, if you want to go on vacation with (probably) a lower emf-radiation, go to Belgium or Thailand best regards, . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 Ya know that may be a common denominator because I believe I am low in maganese too. Also molybdenum seems to be an important mineral; also low in. Loni From: stephen_vandevijver e <stephen_vandevijve r e@...> Subject: Just a crazy story groups (DOT) com Date: Tuesday, 23 February, 2010, 6:33 Â Hi all, I was not sure whether I should post this, because it is too absurd to be true, but whether I like it or not it is true and I think I should share it... I'm 31 years old and I live in Belgium. Belgium is a small country in Europe, most known for its capital Brussels. As a lot of people here I'm also sensitive to laptops, cellphones, cars,... the usual stuff But even more worryingly I'm hypersensitive for some high frequent EMF in: the Netherlands, Germany, England and France (+ probably a lot of other countries) If I visit these countries I get migraine and pain in my heart and within +/- 12 hours I really have to leave that country or I'll get something really serious. It's a bit worse in the cities but I even get sick when I'm in the middle of nowhere: in a hotel or just walking outside! The only places where I have been fine the past 3 years are Belgium and Thailand. But a few places in Belgium I can't stand neither, on the Belgian Coast for instance, I used to live there, I got sick from the day they installed Wifi for free on the beach... This is all the more strange as in other places in Belgium (like 99%) I can stand Wifi/cell phone masts for instance... And in Belgium we also have 3G/UMTS- access on most cellphone masts... Knowing that I may have to move to Antarctica or some place where EMF is not advanced makes me sometimes very desperate. The only reason why I'm trying to be hopeful is that 3 years ago in the Netherlands, my symptoms were even worse than they are now... So it may be getting better because the effect of some things I shouldn't have tried 3 years ago (such as Bio-magnets, ...) have diminished.. . Well this is more or less my crazy story... So far I've told this only to my brothers, sisters, parents and 2 friends... Other people that know me simply don't understand why I don't go more on vacation abroad! Maybe there is an interesting tip for other sensitives, if you want to go on vacation with (probably) a lower emf-radiation, go to Belgium or Thailand best regards, . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 >Why don't you start healimng yourself, in stead of mocking? >Greetings, > Claessens  Don't understand that comment if you could elaborate ? Loni From: charles <charles@...> Subject: Re: Just a crazy story Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 1:23 PM  Indeed Belgium is a small country. You don't have to travel to Thailand, there are many places in Belgium, where the elektrosmog is very low. Especially in the borden regions. Along the autoroutes, in Belgium the masts are merely GSM1800, where in the Netherlands the most part are GSM900, which harm more. The TETRA, in Belgium called the Astrid network, is not so overwhelming as in the Netherlands. Electrosensitives should stay far away from magnets, even when they are called, Bio. member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes. nl www.milieuziektes. be www.hetbitje. nl checked by Norton Just a crazy story > Hi all, > > I was not sure whether I should post this, because it is too absurd to be > true, but whether I like it or not it is true and I think I should share > it... > > I'm 31 years old and I live in Belgium. Belgium is a small country in > Europe, most known for its capital Brussels. > > As a lot of people here I'm also sensitive to laptops, cellphones, > cars,... the usual stuff > > But even more worryingly I'm hypersensitive for some high frequent EMF in: > the Netherlands, Germany, England and France (+ probably a lot of other > countries) > > If I visit these countries I get migraine and pain in my heart and within > +/- 12 hours I really have to leave that country or I'll get something > really serious. It's a bit worse in the cities but I even get sick when > I'm in the middle of nowhere: in a hotel or just walking outside! > > The only places where I have been fine the past 3 years are Belgium and > Thailand. > > But a few places in Belgium I can't stand neither, on the Belgian Coast > for instance, I used to live there, I got sick from the day they installed > Wifi for free on the beach... > > This is all the more strange as in other places in Belgium (like 99%) I > can stand Wifi/cell phone masts for instance... And in Belgium we also > have 3G/UMTS- access on most cellphone masts... > > Knowing that I may have to move to Antarctica or some place where EMF is > not advanced makes me sometimes very desperate. The only reason why I'm > trying to be hopeful is that 3 years ago in the Netherlands, my symptoms > were even worse than they are now... So it may be getting better because > the effect of some things I shouldn't have tried 3 years ago (such as > Bio-magnets, ...) have diminished.. . > > Well this is more or less my crazy story... So far I've told this only to > my brothers, sisters, parents and 2 friends... > Other people that know me simply don't understand why I don't go more on > vacation abroad! > > Maybe there is an interesting tip for other sensitives, if you want to go > on vacation with (probably) a lower emf-radiation, go to Belgium or > Thailand > > best regards, > . > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 I'll go with you Diane. I can't fly either at this time. Wouldn't take the chance. Loni From: stephen_vandevijver e <stephen_vandevijver e@...> Subject: Just a crazy story groups (DOT) com Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 2:33 PM Â Hi all, I was not sure whether I should post this, because it is too absurd to be true, but whether I like it or not it is true and I think I should share it... I'm 31 years old and I live in Belgium. Belgium is a small country in Europe, most known for its capital Brussels. As a lot of people here I'm also sensitive to laptops, cellphones, cars,... the usual stuff But even more worryingly I'm hypersensitive for some high frequent EMF in: the Netherlands, Germany, England and France (+ probably a lot of other countries) If I visit these countries I get migraine and pain in my heart and within +/- 12 hours I really have to leave that country or I'll get something really serious. It's a bit worse in the cities but I even get sick when I'm in the middle of nowhere: in a hotel or just walking outside! The only places where I have been fine the past 3 years are Belgium and Thailand. But a few places in Belgium I can't stand neither, on the Belgian Coast for instance, I used to live there, I got sick from the day they installed Wifi for free on the beach... This is all the more strange as in other places in Belgium (like 99%) I can stand Wifi/cell phone masts for instance... And in Belgium we also have 3G/UMTS- access on most cellphone masts... Knowing that I may have to move to Antarctica or some place where EMF is not advanced makes me sometimes very desperate. The only reason why I'm trying to be hopeful is that 3 years ago in the Netherlands, my symptoms were even worse than they are now... So it may be getting better because the effect of some things I shouldn't have tried 3 years ago (such as Bio-magnets, ...) have diminished.. . Well this is more or less my crazy story... So far I've told this only to my brothers, sisters, parents and 2 friends... Other people that know me simply don't understand why I don't go more on vacation abroad! Maybe there is an interesting tip for other sensitives, if you want to go on vacation with (probably) a lower emf-radiation, go to Belgium or Thailand best regards, . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 Can I come too! haha Loni From: <@...> Subject: Re: Just a crazy story Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 2:43 PM  Well thanks, Any ES-er is always welcome here, I live more or less in the forest and between farmers, so there's enough room to put up your tent here > > > From: stephen_vandevijver e <stephen_vandevijve re@...> > Subject: Just a crazy story > groups (DOT) com > Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 2:33 PM > > >  > > > > Hi all, > > I was not sure whether I should post this, because it is too absurd to be true, but whether I like it or not it is true and I think I should share it... > > I'm 31 years old and I live in Belgium. Belgium is a small country in Europe, most known for its capital Brussels. > > As a lot of people here I'm also sensitive to laptops, cellphones, cars,... the usual stuff > > But even more worryingly I'm hypersensitive for some high frequent EMF in: > the Netherlands, Germany, England and France (+ probably a lot of other countries) > > If I visit these countries I get migraine and pain in my heart and within +/- 12 hours I really have to leave that country or I'll get something really serious. It's a bit worse in the cities but I even get sick when I'm in the middle of nowhere: in a hotel or just walking outside! > > The only places where I have been fine the past 3 years are Belgium and Thailand. > > But a few places in Belgium I can't stand neither, on the Belgian Coast for instance, I used to live there, I got sick from the day they installed Wifi for free on the beach... > > This is all the more strange as in other places in Belgium (like 99%) I can stand Wifi/cell phone masts for instance... And in Belgium we also have 3G/UMTS- access on most cellphone masts... > > Knowing that I may have to move to Antarctica or some place where EMF is not advanced makes me sometimes very desperate. The only reason why I'm trying to be hopeful is that 3 years ago in the Netherlands, my symptoms were even worse than they are now... So it may be getting better because the effect of some things I shouldn't have tried 3 years ago (such as Bio-magnets, ...) have diminished.. . > > Well this is more or less my crazy story... So far I've told this only to my brothers, sisters, parents and 2 friends... > Other people that know me simply don't understand why I don't go more on vacation abroad! > > Maybe there is an interesting tip for other sensitives, if you want to go on vacation with (probably) a lower emf-radiation, go to Belgium or Thailand > > best regards, > . > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 Evie wrote: > I am hoping to bicycle to a jungle in Brazil someday, if the canoe doesn't work out. lol > Hi Evie, You're not the only one. , have you traveled to South America? or New Zealand? or Australia? Or have you really tried any places at least 8 Km from the cities and visible towers? With the one exception of Thailand, everywhere you mentioned is in Europe. Maybe anyone else here could tell us their experience in traveling to other countries. There must be somewhere we can hide from the modern madness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 Australia is just as bad as europe, at least in the urban and semi rural areas where Mobile coverage is pretty much widespread. Living any where more rural would be too impractical for work. My symptoms started in Oz. A > I am hoping to bicycle to a jungle in Brazil someday, if the canoe doesn't work out. lol > Hi Evie, You're not the only one. , have you traveled to South America? or New Zealand? or Australia? Or have you really tried any places at least 8 Km from the cities and visible towers? With the one exception of Thailand, everywhere you mentioned is in Europe. Maybe anyone else here could tell us their experience in traveling to other countries. There must be somewhere we can hide from the modern madness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 Hi , > , have you traveled to South America? or New Zealand? or Australia? No I haven't been outside Europe in the past 3 years except in Thailand... > Or have you really tried any places at least 8 Km from the cities and > visible towers? I don't think it is possible to go 8 km away from any cellphone/3G/UMTS-tower in France/Germany/UK/Netherlands! Maybe on a canoe?! 2 weeks ago I went to UK with the ferry and my headache started a copple of miles before arriving at the shore (and at the meantime I had no idea we were that close to England I was reading a book inside!)... My best guess is that it has got to do with 3G/UMTS. According to scientists 3G is a lot more harmful than 2G (only cellphone). The past few hours I've been reading more info. about 3G: -In Thailand they have got no 3G (but they plan it for the future). -In Belgium they have got 3G and they use 2100 MHz-band and (since 2008) the 900 MHz-band. In other European countries they use 2100 MHz but will start using 900 MHz (and maybe 1800 MHz). Download speed of 3G is 7.2 Mbps in Belgium and in other European countries it is the same or less. But I still don't see any explanation why I'm okey in Belgium and not in the other European-countries... P.S. http://www.gsmworld.com/roaming/gsminfo/index.shtm This is an interesting website on 3G. On the following link you can: -Click in the list on a country and check whether it has 3G enlisted... (for Belgium they made a mistake. It should be " 3G 900/2100 " instead of " 3G 2100 " ) -Check on the map what kind of frequencies they use... Download the pdf's. If the country is written in red letters it has got 3G. I kinda like Africa? ;-) Here a list of some countries (I haven't checked all of them yet) that have got no 3G at this moment, according to that website: Albania Argentina Cuba French West Indies Haïti India Jamaica Mali Morocco Russia (except Northwestern part) San Marino Thailand (3G is planned for the future ) Turkey Vietnam Yemen Zimbabwe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 Big Smile. This topic doesn't make me smile often but I have often kidded my husband and said I would have to find others who are affected by EMS and buy some land and live in an electromagnetic free commune. Also, with organic farming. Best of luck, Jennie ________________________________ From: S son <sandreas41@...> Sent: Mon, February 22, 2010 7:08:14 PM Subject: Re: Just a crazy story Evie wrote: > I am hoping to bicycle to a jungle in Brazil someday, if the canoe doesn't work out. lol > Hi Evie, You're not the only one. , have you traveled to South America? or New Zealand? or Australia? Or have you really tried any places at least 8 Km from the cities and visible towers? With the one exception of Thailand, everywhere you mentioned is in Europe. Maybe anyone else here could tell us their experience in traveling to other countries. There must be somewhere we can hide from the modern madness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 , I did not find your comments mocking. I think many of us have had the same thoughts as you. I am a person who tends to be very animated when I talk and write!! While I am a very responsible person I look at the positive and lighter side of life. And I think if I didn't temper handling the struggles that EMS, MCS and allergies have brought into my life with some humor I would end up being depressed or chemical dependent. Even though our lives are limited, they can still be full of joy and life! Take care and best of luck, Jennie ________________________________ From: <@...> Sent: Mon, February 22, 2010 4:18:29 PM Subject: Re: Just a crazy story Hi , Yes maybe the problem could be what you're mentioning about the cellphone/GSM- frequency. .. By the way, it's not like I'm pessimistic or I haven't tried to heal myself. The past 3 years I've done a lot to get better, and I'm still learning every day greets, . > > Indeed Belgium is a small country. > You don't have to travel to Thailand, there are many places in Belgium, > where the elektrosmog is very low. > Especially in the borden regions. > > Along the autoroutes, in Belgium the masts are merely GSM1800, where in the > Netherlands the most part are GSM900, which harm more. > > The TETRA, in Belgium called the Astrid network, is not so overwhelming as > in the Netherlands. > > Electrosensitives should stay far away from magnets, even when they are > called, Bio. > > Why don't you start healimng yourself, in stead of mocking? > > Greetings, > Claessens > member Verband Baubiologie > www.milieuziektes. nl > www.milieuziektes. be > www.hetbitje. nl > checked by Norton > > > > > > > Just a crazy story > > > > Hi all, > > > > I was not sure whether I should post this, because it is too absurd to be > > true, but whether I like it or not it is true and I think I should share > > it... > > > > I'm 31 years old and I live in Belgium. Belgium is a small country in > > Europe, most known for its capital Brussels. > > > > As a lot of people here I'm also sensitive to laptops, cellphones, > > cars,... the usual stuff > > > > But even more worryingly I'm hypersensitive for some high frequent EMF in: > > the Netherlands, Germany, England and France (+ probably a lot of other > > countries) > > > > If I visit these countries I get migraine and pain in my heart and within > > +/- 12 hours I really have to leave that country or I'll get something > > really serious. It's a bit worse in the cities but I even get sick when > > I'm in the middle of nowhere: in a hotel or just walking outside! > > > > The only places where I have been fine the past 3 years are Belgium and > > Thailand. > > > > But a few places in Belgium I can't stand neither, on the Belgian Coast > > for instance, I used to live there, I got sick from the day they installed > > Wifi for free on the beach... > > > > This is all the more strange as in other places in Belgium (like 99%) I > > can stand Wifi/cell phone masts for instance... And in Belgium we also > > have 3G/UMTS- access on most cellphone masts... > > > > Knowing that I may have to move to Antarctica or some place where EMF is > > not advanced makes me sometimes very desperate. The only reason why I'm > > trying to be hopeful is that 3 years ago in the Netherlands, my symptoms > > were even worse than they are now... So it may be getting better because > > the effect of some things I shouldn't have tried 3 years ago (such as > > Bio-magnets, ...) have diminished.. . > > > > Well this is more or less my crazy story... So far I've told this only to > > my brothers, sisters, parents and 2 friends... > > Other people that know me simply don't understand why I don't go more on > > vacation abroad! > > > > Maybe there is an interesting tip for other sensitives, if you want to go > > on vacation with (probably) a lower emf-radiation, go to Belgium or > > Thailand > > > > best regards, > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 In a message dated 23/02/2010 08:50:42 GMT Standard Time, charles@... writes: But even more worryingly I'm hypersensitive for some high frequent EMF in: > the Netherlands, Germany, England and France (+ probably a lot of other > countries) > Puk replies - You may be reacting to what I call electromesh or perhaps electromess ! the chaotic combination of all the emissions from the millions of devices throwing out wireless data signals may for you have hit the jackpot, its like that one arm bandit in the casino, keep pulling and sooner or later you strike lucky or in this case unlucky and you are not evan pulling the lever ! Maybe for you the specific sattelite arrays that orbit over these countries along with the terestrial devices are affecting you in an anomolous way. Have you tried metering or sheilding ? Also dont forget that in the countryside often the power of mobiles and indeed the masts are often set to greater levels to cover greater distances. Puk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2010 Report Share Posted February 22, 2010 In a message dated 23/02/2010 01:28:00 GMT Standard Time, @... writes: My best guess is that it has got to do with 3G/UMTS. According to scientists 3G is a lot more harmful than 2G (only cellphone). The past few hours I've been reading more info. about 3G: PUK replies - Sadly the main mobile companies have applied to Offcom to increase the power of all 3G masts in the UK - this is bad news Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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