Guest guest Report post Posted December 12, 2000 I have never heard of anyone having a problem with this during a > flush. but does this possibility concern you at all? I realize that the > Epsom salts are supposed to expand the duct somehow. > Debra Hi Debra, I had a severe attack during my first flush last July at about 3 AM. I got through it but when I did have my first stool after that flush it was pale and lacking in color, then it turned very dark, then turned to a normal coloring. My doctor felt that I had passed one of the harder stones and that it had gotten stuck and really backed up the bile before getting through. This episode was an eye opener for me. And it adds credence to the various doctors' warnings that these flushes actually could cause a more serious situation, namely emergency surgery. I did 3 more flushes without incidence but am now scheduled for surgery on the 18th of December. Our family is planning a couple of out of country trips this year and I don't want to be in an emergency situation then or any other time. good luck, Jerome ______________________________________________________________________ _______________ > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 12, 2000 It really is a one way street, with traffic from liver to or past the gallbladder. The gallbladder is just a special storage area for the bile salts that are needed to emulsify fats, and in particular the saturated fats. It most often starts to become diseased when there has been an overload to the liver, in turn the liver has had to produce too much cholesterol, the bile salts are now too loaded with cholesterol to keep it emulsified, and it then precipitates from the bile salts becoming stones. However, the time when the gallbladder is so diseased that it's having an effect on the liver would certainly mean it's time for its removal. That time period is the most difficult to determine without blood tests and other input to know for a fact that it's that severely diseased. I remember when I first got the news that I had "A" stone and that I should have an operation within two weeks of this diagnoses. I didn't like the idea of leaving this world without all the basics of which I entered it, so that's when I learned about the gallbladder flush. (not really thinking of it as having much to do with the liver, at that time). I learned as much as I could from all the websites I could muster through my search engines. Within a short length of time I learned I needed to stay away from fats, which I did, and that I should at least break up the stone, if it was as large as I could only assume being called "A" stone, before doing a flush. Well, I took GCG, maintained a fairly solid diet of very little fat, causing the loss of some beer built inches in the process, and then fasted for three days before my first flush. I was scared to death!! As far as I knew I may be going to the hospital in the middle of the night, like I'd already done two times previous, and have to have an emergency operation, because of a stone getting stuck. It didn't happen that way but I'm sure it could have. It didn't happen. I made it through the night and then got the most wonderful present around 07;30 in the morning with my first movement. Success is just so sweet! However, I thought It was all over with until my next attack about a month later. Hmmmm??? I says to myself??? and back to research, I was, while taking my pain med and awaiting the reduction in the pain (I got back to eating the fats I shouldn't have), and found that I needed to continue on the right diet for a long time. I did, sorta, until, like a food addict I was drawn back a few weeks later to, well you know just what I'm about to say...."fat!!!" Remember the song from Hair? Long beautiful Hair! Just add fat to that and that was my desire. I went through this many times until my resolve after the September affair where I thought I was now ready to avoid all fats. I did, and that was my next biggest mistake. Now I was causing my liver damage by not getting EFAs because I was avoiding all fats. I was a fats dummy. I had my last attack in October 1999 a little over a month after my August/September bout. The October 1999 one was not only the longest but the most sever in the level of pain. The morphine I as given just was barely backing it down to the shakes. The ultrasound they did showed my liver, gallbladder and pancreas looked great! That was good in that my gallbladder was thickened with the MRI in February. However, a blood test said my liver was in trouble plenty. My stools the next couple of days also confirmed the liver was in trouble. I then got back on the net, searched about the liver and gallbladder together, found Dr. Cabot, sent for her book, read it, applied the information, and from then on it's been almost pure easy street. I can't say enough about what I learned from her. I agree that a diseased gallbladder can effect the liver, but it would have to be pretty well close to gangrene or hardened so that it's not receptive to being healed. Myself I would tend to have applied an even more rigorous routine of oxygen therapies if that had, in fact, been my case. One thing to also keep in mind about all this is that the liver also has stones, and they too can get stuck, causing problems with the pancreas or the liver itself. DaleDa_@... ----- Original Message ----- From: D B gallstonesegroups Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 11:59 AM Subject: Liver Dale,I have a question which you probably have some insight about. It is my understanding that it is a malfunctioning gallbladder which can cause liver problems. What info do you have that points to it being the other way around.My surgeon told me that after having these problems for all these years, I was lucky my liver and pancreas had not yet sustained any damage. He said he sees way too many cases where the gallbladder has caused problems for too long, and other organs have been damaged. He said this comes from having stones that get stuck in the bile duct, and then having things back up. This is when people would experience jaundice, and white stools. All of my liver tests were normal, and he checked it out while he was in there, and said it looks great.Also, I have a question about disolving, shrinking, or flushing stones. A large stone stands little chance of moving into the bile duct. Smaller stones are more likely to move into the bile duct, and maybe get caught there. I have never heard of anyone having a problem with this during a flush. but does this possibility concern you at all? I realize that the Epsom salts are supposed to expand the duct somehow.Debra_____________________________________________________________________________________Get more from the Web. 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Guest guest Report post Posted December 12, 2000 <when I did have my first stool after that flush it was pale and lacking in color,> But isn't this normal after a flush? I remember at least one of my flushes producing colorless stool afterwards with no pain during the flush. Also, if there is EVER a stone in the bile duct, would one know it? ----- Original Message ----- From: <jrobb4148@...> <gallstonesegroups> Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 2:15 AM Subject: Re: Liver > > I have never heard of anyone having a problem with this during a > > flush. but does this possibility concern you at all? I realize > that the > > Epsom salts are supposed to expand the duct somehow. > > > Debra > Hi Debra, I had a severe attack during my first flush last July at > about 3 AM. I got through it but when I did have my first stool after > that flush it was pale and lacking in color, then it turned very > dark, then turned to a normal coloring. My doctor felt that I had > passed one of the harder stones and that it had gotten stuck and > really backed up the bile before getting through. This episode was an > eye opener for me. And it adds credence to the various doctors' > warnings that these flushes actually could cause a more serious > situation, namely emergency surgery. I did 3 more flushes without > incidence but am now scheduled for surgery on the 18th of December. > Our family is planning a couple of out of country trips this year and > I don't want to be in an emergency situation then or any other time. > > good luck, > Jerome > ______________________________________________________________________ > _______________ > > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : > http://explorer.msn.com > > > > Collected testimonials: > http:///messages/gallstones-testimonials > You are receiving this email because you elected to subscribe to the gallstonesegroups. To unsubscribe: Mailto:gallstones-unsubscribeegroups > To subscribe again: Mailto:gallstones-subscribeegroups > To change status to digest: Mailto:gallstones-digestegroups > To change status to normal: Mailto;gallstones-normalegroups > By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself! > List Archives: http:///messages/gallstones > Web Sites: http://home.online.no/~dusan/gallstones/ > Have a nice day ! > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 12, 2000 Jerome, That's a little scary. I'm glad it worked its way out. I don't blame you for not wantint to end up in an emergency situation out of country. I'll be thinking of you on the 18th. It's been a week today for me, and other than a small amount of occasional soreness around the incisions, and the need for a nap in the afternoon, I feel fine. Absolutely NO internal type pains whatsoever. Best of luck to you. Keep us posted. Debra ________________________________________________________________________________\ _____ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 12, 2000 >>But isn't this normal after a flush? I remember at least one of my flushes producing colorless stool afterwards with no pain during the flush. Also, if there is EVER a stone in the bile duct, would one know it?<< One of the first questions my surgeon had ever asked me was if I had ever had a colorless stool. He said that would be a good indication if I had stones lodged in the bile duct. Jaundice is another indicator. I never had any of these symptoms, and my liver enzymes were normal, so he said that meant I only had about an 8% chance of having stones in the duct. Fortunately, I didn't have any in there. If you did have a stone in the duct, these two indicators would probably be the only things that would make it different from a regular attack. Also fever. From what I understand, a stone in your gallbladder causes pain when it gets caught in the cystic duct, leading out from the gallbladder. Eventually. it slides back into the gallbladder, where it remains until it tries its next escape. Often, they are too big to ever get through that duct, so even though it causes tremendous pain, it is not life-threatening. Once they are in the common bile duct, it is a different story, and then you run the risk of liver and pancreas damage. My surgeon said it is usually the smaller stones that really wreak havoc. Debra ________________________________________________________________________________\ _____ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 12, 2000 I figured the reason my stool may lack color after a flush is because of the fasting and lack of bile being sent forth. Since they regained color I thought it was normal. Any others have this experience? laura ----- Original Message ----- From: " D B " <fairyflight@...> <gallstonesegroups> Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 3:40 PM Subject: Re: Re: Liver > >>But isn't this normal after a flush? I remember at least one of my flushes > producing colorless stool afterwards with no pain during the flush. > > Also, if there is EVER a stone in the bile duct, would one know it?<< > > One of the first questions my surgeon had ever asked me was if I had ever > had a colorless stool. He said that would be a good indication if I had > stones lodged in the bile duct. Jaundice is another indicator. I never had > any of these symptoms, and my liver enzymes were normal, so he said that > meant I only had about an 8% chance of having stones in the duct. > Fortunately, I didn't have any in there. > > If you did have a stone in the duct, these two indicators would probably be > the only things that would make it different from a regular attack. Also > fever. From what I understand, a stone in your gallbladder causes pain > when it gets caught in the cystic duct, leading out from the gallbladder. > Eventually. it slides back into the gallbladder, where it remains until it > tries its next escape. Often, they are too big to ever get through that > duct, so even though it causes tremendous pain, it is not life-threatening. > Once they are in the common bile duct, it is a different story, and then you > run the risk of liver and pancreas damage. My surgeon said it is usually > the smaller stones that really wreak havoc. > > Debra > > ____________________________________________________________________________ _________ > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com > > > > Collected testimonials: > http:///messages/gallstones-testimonials > You are receiving this email because you elected to subscribe to the gallstonesegroups. To unsubscribe: Mailto:gallstones-unsubscribeegroups > To subscribe again: Mailto:gallstones-subscribeegroups > To change status to digest: Mailto:gallstones-digestegroups > To change status to normal: Mailto;gallstones-normalegroups > By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself! > List Archives: http:///messages/gallstones > Web Sites: http://home.online.no/~dusan/gallstones/ > Have a nice day ! > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 12, 2000 Hi. I am new to this site but have found it because I have had 4 painful gallbladder attacks. I am going to do a flush but I wonder, if you drank apple juice for a few days before doing the flush? I am worried about a stone getting stuck. I was told apple juice softens the stones and makes it easier for them to pass. I had a baby 13 months ago and think that's what started this problem. I really don't want to have surgery at this point. Thank you for any assistance. Lesa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 12, 2000 Debra, Hi! I am new here. I am getting ready to do a flush. The one by Hulda . How did you prepare for your flush and was it the same flush? I am nervous about getting a stone stuck. I had a baby in Oct. of 99 and I believe this was a problem then but I just thought it was a pregnancy thing, you know, the heartburn and flatulence. But over the past 2 months I have had 4 severe attacks. I only went to the ER the last time about a month ago and they determined it is my gallbladder and said it should come out. I hear great things about the flush but am a little scared to try. I have been drinking apple juice for 2 days and ate only a few crackers to stave off hunger pains. I read somewhere that this is to soften the stones. I am thinking about trying the flush tomorrow but am still very nervous. Dr. 's book says to do a parasite cleanse and kidney cleanse fiest. What are your thoughts on that? Thank you Lesa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 13, 2000 Yes, I had the same experience on every flush and then everything was normal. Ajit --- robert mcmullan <mcfam12@...> wrote: > I figured the reason my stool may lack color after a > flush is because of the > fasting and lack of bile being sent forth. > Since they regained color I thought it was normal. > Any others have this > experience? laura > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: " D B " <fairyflight@...> > <gallstonesegroups> > Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 3:40 PM > Subject: Re: Re: Liver > > > > >>But isn't this normal after a flush? I remember > at least one of my > flushes > > producing colorless stool afterwards with no pain > during the flush. > > > > Also, if there is EVER a stone in the bile duct, > would one know it?<< > > > > One of the first questions my surgeon had ever > asked me was if I had ever > > had a colorless stool. He said that would be a > good indication if I had > > stones lodged in the bile duct. Jaundice is > another indicator. I never > had > > any of these symptoms, and my liver enzymes were > normal, so he said that > > meant I only had about an 8% chance of having > stones in the duct. > > Fortunately, I didn't have any in there. > > > > If you did have a stone in the duct, these two > indicators would probably > be > > the only things that would make it different from > a regular attack. Also > > fever. From what I understand, a stone in your > gallbladder causes pain > > when it gets caught in the cystic duct, leading > out from the gallbladder. > > Eventually. it slides back into the gallbladder, > where it remains until it > > tries its next escape. Often, they are too big to > ever get through that > > duct, so even though it causes tremendous pain, it > is not > life-threatening. > > Once they are in the common bile duct, it is a > different story, and then > you > > run the risk of liver and pancreas damage. My > surgeon said it is usually > > the smaller stones that really wreak havoc. > > > > Debra > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > _________ > > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download > : > http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > Collected testimonials: > > > http:///messages/gallstones-testimonials > > You are receiving this email because you elected > to subscribe to the > gallstonesegroups. To unsubscribe: > Mailto:gallstones-unsubscribeegroups > > To subscribe again: > Mailto:gallstones-subscribeegroups > > To change status to digest: > Mailto:gallstones-digestegroups > > To change status to normal: > Mailto;gallstones-normalegroups > > By joining the list you agree to hold yourself > FULLY responsible FOR > yourself! > > List Archives: > http:///messages/gallstones > > Web Sites: > http://home.online.no/~dusan/gallstones/ > > Have a nice day ! > > > > > -------------------------- eGroups Sponsor > > Collected testimonials: > http:///messages/gallstones-testimonials > You are receiving this email because you elected to > subscribe to the gallstonesegroups. To > unsubscribe: > Mailto:gallstones-unsubscribeegroups > To subscribe again: > Mailto:gallstones-subscribeegroups > To change status to digest: > Mailto:gallstones-digestegroups > To change status to normal: > Mailto;gallstones-normalegroups > By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY > responsible FOR yourself! > List Archives: > http:///messages/gallstones > Web Sites: > http://home.online.no/~dusan/gallstones/ > Have a nice day ! > __________________________________________________ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 13, 2000 , I would have to say I had the same experience before my first flush. I was fasting that whole week, so it might have had something to do with lack of bile. -----Original Message----- From: robert mcmullan <mcfam12@...> gallstonesegroups <gallstonesegroups> Date: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 5:03 PM Subject: Re: Re: Liver >I figured the reason my stool may lack color after a flush is because of the >fasting and lack of bile being sent forth. >Since they regained color I thought it was normal. Any others have this >experience? laura > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: " D B " <fairyflight@...> ><gallstonesegroups> >Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 3:40 PM >Subject: Re: Re: Liver > > >> >>But isn't this normal after a flush? I remember at least one of my >flushes >> producing colorless stool afterwards with no pain during the flush. >> >> Also, if there is EVER a stone in the bile duct, would one know it?<< >> >> One of the first questions my surgeon had ever asked me was if I had ever >> had a colorless stool. He said that would be a good indication if I had >> stones lodged in the bile duct. Jaundice is another indicator. I never >had >> any of these symptoms, and my liver enzymes were normal, so he said that >> meant I only had about an 8% chance of having stones in the duct. >> Fortunately, I didn't have any in there. >> >> If you did have a stone in the duct, these two indicators would probably >be >> the only things that would make it different from a regular attack. Also >> fever. From what I understand, a stone in your gallbladder causes pain >> when it gets caught in the cystic duct, leading out from the gallbladder. >> Eventually. it slides back into the gallbladder, where it remains until it >> tries its next escape. Often, they are too big to ever get through that >> duct, so even though it causes tremendous pain, it is not >life-threatening. >> Once they are in the common bile duct, it is a different story, and then >you >> run the risk of liver and pancreas damage. My surgeon said it is usually >> the smaller stones that really wreak havoc. >> >> Debra >> >> >___________________________________________________________________________ _ >_________ >> Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : >http://explorer.msn.com >> >> >> >> Collected testimonials: >> http:///messages/gallstones-testimonials >> You are receiving this email because you elected to subscribe to the >gallstonesegroups. To unsubscribe: >Mailto:gallstones-unsubscribeegroups >> To subscribe again: Mailto:gallstones-subscribeegroups >> To change status to digest: Mailto:gallstones-digestegroups >> To change status to normal: Mailto;gallstones-normalegroups >> By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR >yourself! >> List Archives: http:///messages/gallstones >> Web Sites: http://home.online.no/~dusan/gallstones/ >> Have a nice day ! >> > > > >Collected testimonials: >http:///messages/gallstones-testimonials >You are receiving this email because you elected to subscribe to the gallstonesegroups. To unsubscribe: Mailto:gallstones-unsubscribeegroups >To subscribe again: Mailto:gallstones-subscribeegroups >To change status to digest: Mailto:gallstones-digestegroups >To change status to normal: Mailto;gallstones-normalegroups >By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself! >List Archives: http:///messages/gallstones >Web Sites: http://home.online.no/~dusan/gallstones/ >Have a nice day ! > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 13, 2000 Lesa, If you are using the directions from Dr. , you have nothing to worry about. The epsom salts prevent stones from getting stuck. I know it's normal for being nervous before the first flush but it will be okay. Don't worry. You'll become an old pro at this! -----Original Message----- From: Lesa <AmourSea@...> gallstonesegroups <gallstonesegroups> Date: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 5:49 PM Subject: Re: Re: Liver >Hi. I am new to this site but have found it because I have had 4 painful >gallbladder attacks. > >I am going to do a flush but I wonder, if you drank apple juice for a few >days before doing the flush? I am worried about a stone getting stuck. > >I was told apple juice softens the stones and makes it easier for them to >pass. I had a baby 13 months ago and think that's what started this >problem. I really don't want to have surgery at this point. > >Thank you for any assistance. > >Lesa > > > >Collected testimonials: >http:///messages/gallstones-testimonials >You are receiving this email because you elected to subscribe to the gallstonesegroups. To unsubscribe: Mailto:gallstones-unsubscribeegroups >To subscribe again: Mailto:gallstones-subscribeegroups >To change status to digest: Mailto:gallstones-digestegroups >To change status to normal: Mailto;gallstones-normalegroups >By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself! >List Archives: http:///messages/gallstones >Web Sites: http://home.online.no/~dusan/gallstones/ >Have a nice day ! > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 13, 2000 Hi Lesa, I just did a flush last weekend for my first and I was really nervous too. But, I had no problems and it wasn't really bad at all. I was worried about the epsom salts drink, but 3/4 cup was easy to drink, and I chased it down with some apple juice. The only thing that I didn't like was getting nauseaous for two hours at night, but I didn't throw up. I didn't have any stones come out the next day either. I would say you need to be prepared mentally to go through with it and know that it is doing your body good. Good luck and you can do it. I didn't do the parasite or kidney cleanses first either, and that may be why I didn't get any stones out. But I was glad for the experience and will try it again. I am thinking about taking some liver detox supplements or tinctures that assist in crushing the gallstones before my next one. Good luck. Lori Lesa wrote: > Debra, > > Hi! I am new here. I am getting ready to do a flush. The one by Hulda > . How did you prepare for your flush and was it the same flush? I am > nervous about getting a stone stuck. I had a baby in Oct. of 99 and I > believe this was a problem then but I just thought it was a pregnancy thing, > you know, the heartburn and flatulence. But over the past 2 months I have > had 4 severe attacks. I only went to the ER the last time about a month ago > and they determined it is my gallbladder and said it should come out. I > hear great things about the flush but am a little scared to try. I have > been drinking apple juice for 2 days and ate only a few crackers to stave > off hunger pains. I read somewhere that this is to soften the stones. I am > thinking about trying the flush tomorrow but am still very nervous. > Dr. 's book says to do a parasite cleanse and kidney cleanse fiest. > What are your thoughts on that? > > Thank you > > Lesa > > > Collected testimonials: > http:///messages/gallstones-testimonials > You are receiving this email because you elected to subscribe to the gallstonesegroups. To unsubscribe: Mailto:gallstones-unsubscribeegroups > To subscribe again: Mailto:gallstones-subscribeegroups > To change status to digest: Mailto:gallstones-digestegroups > To change status to normal: Mailto;gallstones-normalegroups > By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself! > List Archives: http:///messages/gallstones > Web Sites: http://home.online.no/~dusan/gallstones/ > Have a nice day ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 13, 2000 Hi Lesa, I am the wrong person to ask about a flush, as I was always afraid to do one for the same reason. I did all the diet stuff, EFA's, tons of apple juice, etc., but never got up the nerve to flush. I am sure you will get many responses about preparation, because many people here have done this often, with results that they feel are successful. Good luck! Debra ________________________________________________________________________________\ _____ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 13, 2000 Hi Lori, Thanks for the info. and well wishes. I am going to give the flush a try tomorrow.do it tomorrow then. Lesa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 13, 2000 Thanks! I will keep you posted. Lesa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 13, 2000 Hi Lesa! I just wanted to let you know that we are in the same boat because I also had a baby 14 months ago and I feel that is what started my gallbladder trouble too. I just wanted to welcome you to this group...I know you will find a lot of helpful information. - ----- Original Message ----- From: Lesa <AmourSea@...> <gallstonesegroups> Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 6:21 PM Subject: Re: Re: Liver > Hi. I am new to this site but have found it because I have had 4 painful > gallbladder attacks. > > I am going to do a flush but I wonder, if you drank apple juice for a few > days before doing the flush? I am worried about a stone getting stuck. > > I was told apple juice softens the stones and makes it easier for them to > pass. I had a baby 13 months ago and think that's what started this > problem. I really don't want to have surgery at this point. > > Thank you for any assistance. > > Lesa > > > > Collected testimonials: > http:///messages/gallstones-testimonials > You are receiving this email because you elected to subscribe to the gallstonesegroups. To unsubscribe: Mailto:gallstones-unsubscribeegroups > To subscribe again: Mailto:gallstones-subscribeegroups > To change status to digest: Mailto:gallstones-digestegroups > To change status to normal: Mailto;gallstones-normalegroups > By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself! > List Archives: http:///messages/gallstones > Web Sites: http://home.online.no/~dusan/gallstones/ > Have a nice day ! > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 13, 2000 Thank you Ajit. that makes me feel normal! You know, i really get tired of worrying about this gallbladder. Take care. ----- Original Message ----- From: " AJIT BUTTAR " <ASB3465@...> <gallstonesegroups> Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 7:41 PM Subject: Re: Re: Liver > Yes, I had the same experience on every flush > and then everything was normal. > > Ajit > > --- robert mcmullan <mcfam12@...> wrote: > > I figured the reason my stool may lack color after a > > flush is because of the > > fasting and lack of bile being sent forth. > > Since they regained color I thought it was normal. > > Any others have this > > experience? laura > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: " D B " <fairyflight@...> > > <gallstonesegroups> > > Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 3:40 PM > > Subject: Re: Re: Liver > > > > > > > >>But isn't this normal after a flush? I remember > > at least one of my > > flushes > > > producing colorless stool afterwards with no pain > > during the flush. > > > > > > Also, if there is EVER a stone in the bile duct, > > would one know it?<< > > > > > > One of the first questions my surgeon had ever > > asked me was if I had ever > > > had a colorless stool. He said that would be a > > good indication if I had > > > stones lodged in the bile duct. Jaundice is > > another indicator. I never > > had > > > any of these symptoms, and my liver enzymes were > > normal, so he said that > > > meant I only had about an 8% chance of having > > stones in the duct. > > > Fortunately, I didn't have any in there. > > > > > > If you did have a stone in the duct, these two > > indicators would probably > > be > > > the only things that would make it different from > > a regular attack. Also > > > fever. From what I understand, a stone in your > > gallbladder causes pain > > > when it gets caught in the cystic duct, leading > > out from the gallbladder. > > > Eventually. it slides back into the gallbladder, > > where it remains until it > > > tries its next escape. Often, they are too big to > > ever get through that > > > duct, so even though it causes tremendous pain, it > > is not > > life-threatening. > > > Once they are in the common bile duct, it is a > > different story, and then > > you > > > run the risk of liver and pancreas damage. My > > surgeon said it is usually > > > the smaller stones that really wreak havoc. > > > > > > Debra > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________ > > _________ > > > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download > > : > > http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > > > > Collected testimonials: > > > > > http:///messages/gallstones-testimonials > > > You are receiving this email because you elected > > to subscribe to the > > gallstonesegroups. To unsubscribe: > > Mailto:gallstones-unsubscribeegroups > > > To subscribe again: > > Mailto:gallstones-subscribeegroups > > > To change status to digest: > > Mailto:gallstones-digestegroups > > > To change status to normal: > > Mailto;gallstones-normalegroups > > > By joining the list you agree to hold yourself > > FULLY responsible FOR > > yourself! > > > List Archives: > > http:///messages/gallstones > > > Web Sites: > > http://home.online.no/~dusan/gallstones/ > > > Have a nice day ! > > > > > > > > > -------------------------- eGroups Sponsor > > > > Collected testimonials: > > http:///messages/gallstones-testimonials > > You are receiving this email because you elected to > > subscribe to the gallstonesegroups. To > > unsubscribe: > > Mailto:gallstones-unsubscribeegroups > > To subscribe again: > > Mailto:gallstones-subscribeegroups > > To change status to digest: > > Mailto:gallstones-digestegroups > > To change status to normal: > > Mailto;gallstones-normalegroups > > By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY > > responsible FOR yourself! > > List Archives: > > http:///messages/gallstones > > Web Sites: > > http://home.online.no/~dusan/gallstones/ > > Have a nice day ! > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 13, 2000 I, also, did not do parasite cleansing before flushing because I was breastfeeding. I have always gotten out stones. Only a couple of times did I feel nauseous and once i vomited. good luck!! laura ----- Original Message ----- From: " ldo " <ldo@...> <gallstonesegroups> Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 8:53 PM Subject: Re: Liver > Hi Lesa, > > I just did a flush last weekend for my first and I was really nervous too. But, I had no problems and it wasn't really bad at all. I was worried about > the epsom salts drink, but 3/4 cup was easy to drink, and I chased it down with some apple juice. The only thing that I didn't like was getting nauseaous > for two hours at night, but I didn't throw up. I didn't have any stones come out the next day either. I would say you need to be prepared mentally to go > through with it and know that it is doing your body good. Good luck and you can do it. I didn't do the parasite or kidney cleanses first either, and > that may be why I didn't get any stones out. But I was glad for the experience and will try it again. I am thinking about taking some liver detox > supplements or tinctures that assist in crushing the gallstones before my next one. Good luck. Lori > > Lesa wrote: > > > Debra, > > > > Hi! I am new here. I am getting ready to do a flush. The one by Hulda > > . How did you prepare for your flush and was it the same flush? I am > > nervous about getting a stone stuck. I had a baby in Oct. of 99 and I > > believe this was a problem then but I just thought it was a pregnancy thing, > > you know, the heartburn and flatulence. But over the past 2 months I have > > had 4 severe attacks. I only went to the ER the last time about a month ago > > and they determined it is my gallbladder and said it should come out. I > > hear great things about the flush but am a little scared to try. I have > > been drinking apple juice for 2 days and ate only a few crackers to stave > > off hunger pains. I read somewhere that this is to soften the stones. I am > > thinking about trying the flush tomorrow but am still very nervous. > > Dr. 's book says to do a parasite cleanse and kidney cleanse fiest. > > What are your thoughts on that? > > > > Thank you > > > > Lesa > > > > > > Collected testimonials: > > http:///messages/gallstones-testimonials > > You are receiving this email because you elected to subscribe to the gallstonesegroups. To unsubscribe: Mailto:gallstones-unsubscribeegroups > > To subscribe again: Mailto:gallstones-subscribeegroups > > To change status to digest: Mailto:gallstones-digestegroups > > To change status to normal: Mailto;gallstones-normalegroups > > By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself! > > List Archives: http:///messages/gallstones > > Web Sites: http://home.online.no/~dusan/gallstones/ > > Have a nice day ! > > > > Collected testimonials: > http:///messages/gallstones-testimonials > You are receiving this email because you elected to subscribe to the gallstonesegroups. To unsubscribe: Mailto:gallstones-unsubscribeegroups > To subscribe again: Mailto:gallstones-subscribeegroups > To change status to digest: Mailto:gallstones-digestegroups > To change status to normal: Mailto;gallstones-normalegroups > By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself! > List Archives: http:///messages/gallstones > Web Sites: http://home.online.no/~dusan/gallstones/ > Have a nice day ! > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 13, 2000 , I have a lot on my plate this week. I am planning to have a yard sale on Fri Sat and Sun. If I begin the flush on Thurs morning, what are your thoughts on whether I will be able to participate in the yard sale? How much time is actually spent eliminating the stones? Is it like a two or three visit to the bathroom thing or a half a day thing? Thanks! Lesa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 13, 2000 Thank you for the welcome and the information. I'm still nervous but I am going to try the flush soon. Lesa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 13, 2000 Hi Thanks for the welcome. I am also wondering if the gallbladder problem could be why I didn't lose weight the first year of my son's life. I breastfed him and had always heard breastfeeding moms lose weight fast. The scale is still where it was when I came home from the hospital. I haven't really worried about the weight but now I am wondering if it was an indication of the gallstone proble. Also, regarding this constant pain behind my right shoulder blade and down my back under my ribcage. Is it true that the pain goes away immediately with the flush? Has anyone experienced that pain and the relief of it from a flush? I thought the constant pain in my back over the past year was from having a large child to take care of 24 hours a day, but alas, again I think it's a gallbladder symptom. Thanks to everyone for your input. Lesa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 14, 2000 If you drink the juice for 3-5 days and then flush the last evening. I am pretty much okay by 4 the following afternoon. While the epsoms are taking effect, I do not wander far from the throne. I usually drink my last dose around 9 or 10 a.m. and I am finished pottying around 2 p.m. You may just want to put it off and flush Monday night. If you are feeling okay otherwise, it isn't going to hurt to wait a few days. Hope that helps! laura ----- Original Message ----- From: " Lesa " <AmourSea@...> <gallstonesegroups> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 5:26 PM Subject: Re: Liver > , > I have a lot on my plate this week. I am planning to have a yard sale on > Fri Sat and Sun. If I begin the flush on Thurs morning, what are your > thoughts on whether I will be able to participate in the yard sale? How > much time is actually spent eliminating the stones? Is it like a two or > three visit to the bathroom thing or a half a day thing? > > Thanks! > > Lesa > > > > Collected testimonials: > http:///messages/gallstones-testimonials > You are receiving this email because you elected to subscribe to the gallstonesegroups. To unsubscribe: Mailto:gallstones-unsubscribeegroups > To subscribe again: Mailto:gallstones-subscribeegroups > To change status to digest: Mailto:gallstones-digestegroups > To change status to normal: Mailto;gallstones-normalegroups > By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself! > List Archives: http:///messages/gallstones > Web Sites: http://home.online.no/~dusan/gallstones/ > Have a nice day ! > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 14, 2000 Thanks very much! Yes, it sounds like I sohouild put the yard sale off. Thanks very much! Lesa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted December 14, 2000 Yeah, I guess putting the yard sale off would be better than putting off the flush. Good luck to you then! Let us know how everything comes out! ----- Original Message ----- From: " Lesa " <AmourSea@...> <gallstonesegroups> Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 1:18 PM Subject: Re: Liver > Thanks very much! Yes, it sounds like I sohouild put the yard sale off. > Thanks very much! > Lesa > > > > Collected testimonials: > http:///messages/gallstones-testimonials > You are receiving this email because you elected to subscribe to the gallstonesegroups. To unsubscribe: Mailto:gallstones-unsubscribeegroups > To subscribe again: Mailto:gallstones-subscribeegroups > To change status to digest: Mailto:gallstones-digestegroups > To change status to normal: Mailto;gallstones-normalegroups > By joining the list you agree to hold yourself FULLY responsible FOR yourself! > List Archives: http:///messages/gallstones > Web Sites: http://home.online.no/~dusan/gallstones/ > Have a nice day ! > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted August 16, 2001 Is the Epsom Salt a good way to detox the liver? Is the coffee enemas a good way to detox the liver or is it 2 different things. Is the liver the most important organ to start with? Caren Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
