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Oh Gertie...go on vent all you want, we all understand or we wouldn't

be part of this group!You certainly have enough reason too!

Some time ago my husband developed atrial arrhythmias after a night

out overdoing things, and losing too much minerals in the process due

to excessive vomitting.(He's going to be so proud that I'm sharing

this info with you all!:-)

I'm most certainly no expert in this regard.Quite the contrary

actually. I realize that the causes may vary, and the seriousness of

the conditions as well.

We know that SSRI'S can leach minerals etc as indicated in this very

interesting posting(below) some time ago.Who knows what effect it has

on magnesium levels etc in the body.

Just an idiot's guess Gertie, but could that possibly be part of your

husband's problem, to some degree anyway?

Perhaps he needs a good supplement?

Best of luck!

Steph.

Hi,

I just read your email/article - Understanding Our Mission. I would

like to have " the rest of the story " about who and who does not do

well on these drugs.

I am a holistically train addictions counselor and am researching

information for a handbook on The Nutrient Depleting Side Effects of

SSRI Antidepressants. I know for sure SSRIs metabolize out folic acid,

sodium and glutithione. I know that people who take omega 3 have fewer

symptoms of depression. I know that acetylcholine also helps. The

information does not seem to have any central database or references

but is scattered around in various books and websites. I would

appreciate any references you might have that would helf me in

identifying sources of research or information on this topic.

Thanks for all your hard work,

Sincerely,

Yoshi (Virginia Delwiche)

>

> Help! I am shaking, and can't focus, I am so upset.

>

> My 68 year old husband was taking 30mg of Celexa, and driving up into

> the backs of trucks on the road, veering off to the right side, and

> then, caused a crash making an unsafe left turn. So, I raised hell

> enough that the stupid shrink who has him in his clutches put his

> dose back to 20mg. That was a year and a half ago.

>

> He has been sleeping most of the time, has no energy, no initiative,

> and is sexually inert, took up smoking after 8 years of being smoke-

> free, in addition to having developed atrial flutter, memory

> impairment, and cognitive deficits, but his driving has been less

> hazardous to himself and others. I went to put away something in his

> desk drawer this morning, and what do I see, but a new prescription

> from the idiot shrink, for 40 mg. of Celexa. Double the dose, for a

> now 70 year old man who is already badly damaged by a decade and a

> half on one form or another of this garbage.

>

> I suppose you all are going to tell me I cannot shoot the shrink and

> take the world out of at least some of its misery, but I am so

> horrified. BTW, the appointment from which this prescription for

> disaster emanated, like stinking gas from a putrid swamp, included

> the shrink advising my husband to consult a cardiology group in

> Philadelphia, rather than the one he now sees here in the Lehigh

> Valley, as they are more experienced at treating atrial

> arrhythmias. !!!! He helped CAUSE my husband to have atrial

> arrhythmias! I wonder how much kick-back the SOB gets for each

> referral to the Main Line group that does " at least half a dozen

> cardiac ablations per day " ! He, the damned idiot shrink, told hubby

> he himself had an ablation done there, and he doesn't even have a

> pacemaker. Now, if you destroy the sinus node in the heart, the

> heart CANNOT send electrical impulses to the ventricles, and if you

> don't have a functioning pacemaker under those circumstances, you

> die. Right on the spot. No exceptions.

>

> In case anybody thinks I am wound up, you are correct. But, I feel

> so helpless. Nothing I say has any value, despite my having spent my

> entire adult life time researching health, nutrition, medical and

> drug issues, and have a degree in medical librarianship complete with

> a thorough grounding in the use and analysis of the medical

> literature. Let the shrink croak out a piece of utter fantasy, and

> it is Gospel to hubby's ears. It is like being forced to watch a

> slow motion ritual murder. Thanks for letting me vent, and if any of

> you pray, please pray for us. Cate

>

> PS. Is it even ethical for the shrink to be advising my husband to

> use a different cardiologist, and which ones to use?

>

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Posted

Oh Gertie...go on vent all you want, we all understand or we wouldn't

be part of this group!You certainly have enough reason too!

Some time ago my husband developed atrial arrhythmias after a night

out overdoing things, and losing too much minerals in the process due

to excessive vomitting.(He's going to be so proud that I'm sharing

this info with you all!:-)

I'm most certainly no expert in this regard.Quite the contrary

actually. I realize that the causes may vary, and the seriousness of

the conditions as well.

We know that SSRI'S can leach minerals etc as indicated in this very

interesting posting(below) some time ago.Who knows what effect it has

on magnesium levels etc in the body.

Just an idiot's guess Gertie, but could that possibly be part of your

husband's problem, to some degree anyway?

Perhaps he needs a good supplement?

Best of luck!

Steph.

Hi,

I just read your email/article - Understanding Our Mission. I would

like to have " the rest of the story " about who and who does not do

well on these drugs.

I am a holistically train addictions counselor and am researching

information for a handbook on The Nutrient Depleting Side Effects of

SSRI Antidepressants. I know for sure SSRIs metabolize out folic acid,

sodium and glutithione. I know that people who take omega 3 have fewer

symptoms of depression. I know that acetylcholine also helps. The

information does not seem to have any central database or references

but is scattered around in various books and websites. I would

appreciate any references you might have that would helf me in

identifying sources of research or information on this topic.

Thanks for all your hard work,

Sincerely,

Yoshi (Virginia Delwiche)

>

> Help! I am shaking, and can't focus, I am so upset.

>

> My 68 year old husband was taking 30mg of Celexa, and driving up into

> the backs of trucks on the road, veering off to the right side, and

> then, caused a crash making an unsafe left turn. So, I raised hell

> enough that the stupid shrink who has him in his clutches put his

> dose back to 20mg. That was a year and a half ago.

>

> He has been sleeping most of the time, has no energy, no initiative,

> and is sexually inert, took up smoking after 8 years of being smoke-

> free, in addition to having developed atrial flutter, memory

> impairment, and cognitive deficits, but his driving has been less

> hazardous to himself and others. I went to put away something in his

> desk drawer this morning, and what do I see, but a new prescription

> from the idiot shrink, for 40 mg. of Celexa. Double the dose, for a

> now 70 year old man who is already badly damaged by a decade and a

> half on one form or another of this garbage.

>

> I suppose you all are going to tell me I cannot shoot the shrink and

> take the world out of at least some of its misery, but I am so

> horrified. BTW, the appointment from which this prescription for

> disaster emanated, like stinking gas from a putrid swamp, included

> the shrink advising my husband to consult a cardiology group in

> Philadelphia, rather than the one he now sees here in the Lehigh

> Valley, as they are more experienced at treating atrial

> arrhythmias. !!!! He helped CAUSE my husband to have atrial

> arrhythmias! I wonder how much kick-back the SOB gets for each

> referral to the Main Line group that does " at least half a dozen

> cardiac ablations per day " ! He, the damned idiot shrink, told hubby

> he himself had an ablation done there, and he doesn't even have a

> pacemaker. Now, if you destroy the sinus node in the heart, the

> heart CANNOT send electrical impulses to the ventricles, and if you

> don't have a functioning pacemaker under those circumstances, you

> die. Right on the spot. No exceptions.

>

> In case anybody thinks I am wound up, you are correct. But, I feel

> so helpless. Nothing I say has any value, despite my having spent my

> entire adult life time researching health, nutrition, medical and

> drug issues, and have a degree in medical librarianship complete with

> a thorough grounding in the use and analysis of the medical

> literature. Let the shrink croak out a piece of utter fantasy, and

> it is Gospel to hubby's ears. It is like being forced to watch a

> slow motion ritual murder. Thanks for letting me vent, and if any of

> you pray, please pray for us. Cate

>

> PS. Is it even ethical for the shrink to be advising my husband to

> use a different cardiologist, and which ones to use?

>

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Oh Gertie...go on vent all you want, we all understand or we wouldn't

be part of this group!You certainly have enough reason too!

Some time ago my husband developed atrial arrhythmias after a night

out overdoing things, and losing too much minerals in the process due

to excessive vomitting.(He's going to be so proud that I'm sharing

this info with you all!:-)

I'm most certainly no expert in this regard.Quite the contrary

actually. I realize that the causes may vary, and the seriousness of

the conditions as well.

We know that SSRI'S can leach minerals etc as indicated in this very

interesting posting(below) some time ago.Who knows what effect it has

on magnesium levels etc in the body.

Just an idiot's guess Gertie, but could that possibly be part of your

husband's problem, to some degree anyway?

Perhaps he needs a good supplement?

Best of luck!

Steph.

Hi,

I just read your email/article - Understanding Our Mission. I would

like to have " the rest of the story " about who and who does not do

well on these drugs.

I am a holistically train addictions counselor and am researching

information for a handbook on The Nutrient Depleting Side Effects of

SSRI Antidepressants. I know for sure SSRIs metabolize out folic acid,

sodium and glutithione. I know that people who take omega 3 have fewer

symptoms of depression. I know that acetylcholine also helps. The

information does not seem to have any central database or references

but is scattered around in various books and websites. I would

appreciate any references you might have that would helf me in

identifying sources of research or information on this topic.

Thanks for all your hard work,

Sincerely,

Yoshi (Virginia Delwiche)

>

> Help! I am shaking, and can't focus, I am so upset.

>

> My 68 year old husband was taking 30mg of Celexa, and driving up into

> the backs of trucks on the road, veering off to the right side, and

> then, caused a crash making an unsafe left turn. So, I raised hell

> enough that the stupid shrink who has him in his clutches put his

> dose back to 20mg. That was a year and a half ago.

>

> He has been sleeping most of the time, has no energy, no initiative,

> and is sexually inert, took up smoking after 8 years of being smoke-

> free, in addition to having developed atrial flutter, memory

> impairment, and cognitive deficits, but his driving has been less

> hazardous to himself and others. I went to put away something in his

> desk drawer this morning, and what do I see, but a new prescription

> from the idiot shrink, for 40 mg. of Celexa. Double the dose, for a

> now 70 year old man who is already badly damaged by a decade and a

> half on one form or another of this garbage.

>

> I suppose you all are going to tell me I cannot shoot the shrink and

> take the world out of at least some of its misery, but I am so

> horrified. BTW, the appointment from which this prescription for

> disaster emanated, like stinking gas from a putrid swamp, included

> the shrink advising my husband to consult a cardiology group in

> Philadelphia, rather than the one he now sees here in the Lehigh

> Valley, as they are more experienced at treating atrial

> arrhythmias. !!!! He helped CAUSE my husband to have atrial

> arrhythmias! I wonder how much kick-back the SOB gets for each

> referral to the Main Line group that does " at least half a dozen

> cardiac ablations per day " ! He, the damned idiot shrink, told hubby

> he himself had an ablation done there, and he doesn't even have a

> pacemaker. Now, if you destroy the sinus node in the heart, the

> heart CANNOT send electrical impulses to the ventricles, and if you

> don't have a functioning pacemaker under those circumstances, you

> die. Right on the spot. No exceptions.

>

> In case anybody thinks I am wound up, you are correct. But, I feel

> so helpless. Nothing I say has any value, despite my having spent my

> entire adult life time researching health, nutrition, medical and

> drug issues, and have a degree in medical librarianship complete with

> a thorough grounding in the use and analysis of the medical

> literature. Let the shrink croak out a piece of utter fantasy, and

> it is Gospel to hubby's ears. It is like being forced to watch a

> slow motion ritual murder. Thanks for letting me vent, and if any of

> you pray, please pray for us. Cate

>

> PS. Is it even ethical for the shrink to be advising my husband to

> use a different cardiologist, and which ones to use?

>

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Posted

Oh Gertie...go on vent all you want, we all understand or we wouldn't

be part of this group!You certainly have enough reason too!

Some time ago my husband developed atrial arrhythmias after a night

out overdoing things, and losing too much minerals in the process due

to excessive vomitting.(He's going to be so proud that I'm sharing

this info with you all!:-)

I'm most certainly no expert in this regard.Quite the contrary

actually. I realize that the causes may vary, and the seriousness of

the conditions as well.

We know that SSRI'S can leach minerals etc as indicated in this very

interesting posting(below) some time ago.Who knows what effect it has

on magnesium levels etc in the body.

Just an idiot's guess Gertie, but could that possibly be part of your

husband's problem, to some degree anyway?

Perhaps he needs a good supplement?

Best of luck!

Steph.

Hi,

I just read your email/article - Understanding Our Mission. I would

like to have " the rest of the story " about who and who does not do

well on these drugs.

I am a holistically train addictions counselor and am researching

information for a handbook on The Nutrient Depleting Side Effects of

SSRI Antidepressants. I know for sure SSRIs metabolize out folic acid,

sodium and glutithione. I know that people who take omega 3 have fewer

symptoms of depression. I know that acetylcholine also helps. The

information does not seem to have any central database or references

but is scattered around in various books and websites. I would

appreciate any references you might have that would helf me in

identifying sources of research or information on this topic.

Thanks for all your hard work,

Sincerely,

Yoshi (Virginia Delwiche)

>

> Help! I am shaking, and can't focus, I am so upset.

>

> My 68 year old husband was taking 30mg of Celexa, and driving up into

> the backs of trucks on the road, veering off to the right side, and

> then, caused a crash making an unsafe left turn. So, I raised hell

> enough that the stupid shrink who has him in his clutches put his

> dose back to 20mg. That was a year and a half ago.

>

> He has been sleeping most of the time, has no energy, no initiative,

> and is sexually inert, took up smoking after 8 years of being smoke-

> free, in addition to having developed atrial flutter, memory

> impairment, and cognitive deficits, but his driving has been less

> hazardous to himself and others. I went to put away something in his

> desk drawer this morning, and what do I see, but a new prescription

> from the idiot shrink, for 40 mg. of Celexa. Double the dose, for a

> now 70 year old man who is already badly damaged by a decade and a

> half on one form or another of this garbage.

>

> I suppose you all are going to tell me I cannot shoot the shrink and

> take the world out of at least some of its misery, but I am so

> horrified. BTW, the appointment from which this prescription for

> disaster emanated, like stinking gas from a putrid swamp, included

> the shrink advising my husband to consult a cardiology group in

> Philadelphia, rather than the one he now sees here in the Lehigh

> Valley, as they are more experienced at treating atrial

> arrhythmias. !!!! He helped CAUSE my husband to have atrial

> arrhythmias! I wonder how much kick-back the SOB gets for each

> referral to the Main Line group that does " at least half a dozen

> cardiac ablations per day " ! He, the damned idiot shrink, told hubby

> he himself had an ablation done there, and he doesn't even have a

> pacemaker. Now, if you destroy the sinus node in the heart, the

> heart CANNOT send electrical impulses to the ventricles, and if you

> don't have a functioning pacemaker under those circumstances, you

> die. Right on the spot. No exceptions.

>

> In case anybody thinks I am wound up, you are correct. But, I feel

> so helpless. Nothing I say has any value, despite my having spent my

> entire adult life time researching health, nutrition, medical and

> drug issues, and have a degree in medical librarianship complete with

> a thorough grounding in the use and analysis of the medical

> literature. Let the shrink croak out a piece of utter fantasy, and

> it is Gospel to hubby's ears. It is like being forced to watch a

> slow motion ritual murder. Thanks for letting me vent, and if any of

> you pray, please pray for us. Cate

>

> PS. Is it even ethical for the shrink to be advising my husband to

> use a different cardiologist, and which ones to use?

>

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Avoiding shrinks is good for your health IMHO.

You and your husband are the final say on any treatment

you choose to get or receive.

If this guy is refering after what you say he did then they

are probably his pals and will cover for him.

I would strongly suggest you decide for yourself which doctor

to go to.

Jim

Help! I am shaking, and can't focus, I am so upset.

My 68 year old husband was taking 30mg of Celexa, and driving up into

the backs of trucks on the road, veering off to the right side, and

then, caused a crash making an unsafe left turn. So, I raised hell

enough that the stupid shrink who has him in his clutches put his

dose back to 20mg. That was a year and a half ago.

He has been sleeping most of the time, has no energy, no initiative,

and is sexually inert, took up smoking after 8 years of being smoke-

free, in addition to having developed atrial flutter, memory

impairment, and cognitive deficits, but his driving has been less

hazardous to himself and others. I went to put away something in his

desk drawer this morning, and what do I see, but a new prescription

from the idiot shrink, for 40 mg. of Celexa. Double the dose, for a

now 70 year old man who is already badly damaged by a decade and a

half on one form or another of this garbage.

I suppose you all are going to tell me I cannot shoot the shrink and

take the world out of at least some of its misery, but I am so

horrified. BTW, the appointment from which this prescription for

disaster emanated, like stinking gas from a putrid swamp, included

the shrink advising my husband to consult a cardiology group in

Philadelphia, rather than the one he now sees here in the Lehigh

Valley, as they are more experienced at treating atrial

arrhythmias. !!!! He helped CAUSE my husband to have atrial

arrhythmias! I wonder how much kick-back the SOB gets for each

referral to the Main Line group that does " at least half a dozen

cardiac ablations per day " ! He, the damned idiot shrink, told hubby

he himself had an ablation done there, and he doesn't even have a

pacemaker. Now, if you destroy the sinus node in the heart, the

heart CANNOT send electrical impulses to the ventricles, and if you

don't have a functioning pacemaker under those circumstances, you

die. Right on the spot. No exceptions.

In case anybody thinks I am wound up, you are correct. But, I feel

so helpless. Nothing I say has any value, despite my having spent my

entire adult life time researching health, nutrition, medical and

drug issues, and have a degree in medical librarianship complete with

a thorough grounding in the use and analysis of the medical

literature. Let the shrink croak out a piece of utter fantasy, and

it is Gospel to hubby's ears. It is like being forced to watch a

slow motion ritual murder. Thanks for letting me vent, and if any of

you pray, please pray for us. Cate

PS. Is it even ethical for the shrink to be advising my husband to

use a different cardiologist, and which ones to use?

Guest guest

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Posted
Posted

Avoiding shrinks is good for your health IMHO.

You and your husband are the final say on any treatment

you choose to get or receive.

If this guy is refering after what you say he did then they

are probably his pals and will cover for him.

I would strongly suggest you decide for yourself which doctor

to go to.

Jim

Help! I am shaking, and can't focus, I am so upset.

My 68 year old husband was taking 30mg of Celexa, and driving up into

the backs of trucks on the road, veering off to the right side, and

then, caused a crash making an unsafe left turn. So, I raised hell

enough that the stupid shrink who has him in his clutches put his

dose back to 20mg. That was a year and a half ago.

He has been sleeping most of the time, has no energy, no initiative,

and is sexually inert, took up smoking after 8 years of being smoke-

free, in addition to having developed atrial flutter, memory

impairment, and cognitive deficits, but his driving has been less

hazardous to himself and others. I went to put away something in his

desk drawer this morning, and what do I see, but a new prescription

from the idiot shrink, for 40 mg. of Celexa. Double the dose, for a

now 70 year old man who is already badly damaged by a decade and a

half on one form or another of this garbage.

I suppose you all are going to tell me I cannot shoot the shrink and

take the world out of at least some of its misery, but I am so

horrified. BTW, the appointment from which this prescription for

disaster emanated, like stinking gas from a putrid swamp, included

the shrink advising my husband to consult a cardiology group in

Philadelphia, rather than the one he now sees here in the Lehigh

Valley, as they are more experienced at treating atrial

arrhythmias. !!!! He helped CAUSE my husband to have atrial

arrhythmias! I wonder how much kick-back the SOB gets for each

referral to the Main Line group that does " at least half a dozen

cardiac ablations per day " ! He, the damned idiot shrink, told hubby

he himself had an ablation done there, and he doesn't even have a

pacemaker. Now, if you destroy the sinus node in the heart, the

heart CANNOT send electrical impulses to the ventricles, and if you

don't have a functioning pacemaker under those circumstances, you

die. Right on the spot. No exceptions.

In case anybody thinks I am wound up, you are correct. But, I feel

so helpless. Nothing I say has any value, despite my having spent my

entire adult life time researching health, nutrition, medical and

drug issues, and have a degree in medical librarianship complete with

a thorough grounding in the use and analysis of the medical

literature. Let the shrink croak out a piece of utter fantasy, and

it is Gospel to hubby's ears. It is like being forced to watch a

slow motion ritual murder. Thanks for letting me vent, and if any of

you pray, please pray for us. Cate

PS. Is it even ethical for the shrink to be advising my husband to

use a different cardiologist, and which ones to use?

Guest guest

Guest guest

Posted
Posted

Avoiding shrinks is good for your health IMHO.

You and your husband are the final say on any treatment

you choose to get or receive.

If this guy is refering after what you say he did then they

are probably his pals and will cover for him.

I would strongly suggest you decide for yourself which doctor

to go to.

Jim

Help! I am shaking, and can't focus, I am so upset.

My 68 year old husband was taking 30mg of Celexa, and driving up into

the backs of trucks on the road, veering off to the right side, and

then, caused a crash making an unsafe left turn. So, I raised hell

enough that the stupid shrink who has him in his clutches put his

dose back to 20mg. That was a year and a half ago.

He has been sleeping most of the time, has no energy, no initiative,

and is sexually inert, took up smoking after 8 years of being smoke-

free, in addition to having developed atrial flutter, memory

impairment, and cognitive deficits, but his driving has been less

hazardous to himself and others. I went to put away something in his

desk drawer this morning, and what do I see, but a new prescription

from the idiot shrink, for 40 mg. of Celexa. Double the dose, for a

now 70 year old man who is already badly damaged by a decade and a

half on one form or another of this garbage.

I suppose you all are going to tell me I cannot shoot the shrink and

take the world out of at least some of its misery, but I am so

horrified. BTW, the appointment from which this prescription for

disaster emanated, like stinking gas from a putrid swamp, included

the shrink advising my husband to consult a cardiology group in

Philadelphia, rather than the one he now sees here in the Lehigh

Valley, as they are more experienced at treating atrial

arrhythmias. !!!! He helped CAUSE my husband to have atrial

arrhythmias! I wonder how much kick-back the SOB gets for each

referral to the Main Line group that does " at least half a dozen

cardiac ablations per day " ! He, the damned idiot shrink, told hubby

he himself had an ablation done there, and he doesn't even have a

pacemaker. Now, if you destroy the sinus node in the heart, the

heart CANNOT send electrical impulses to the ventricles, and if you

don't have a functioning pacemaker under those circumstances, you

die. Right on the spot. No exceptions.

In case anybody thinks I am wound up, you are correct. But, I feel

so helpless. Nothing I say has any value, despite my having spent my

entire adult life time researching health, nutrition, medical and

drug issues, and have a degree in medical librarianship complete with

a thorough grounding in the use and analysis of the medical

literature. Let the shrink croak out a piece of utter fantasy, and

it is Gospel to hubby's ears. It is like being forced to watch a

slow motion ritual murder. Thanks for letting me vent, and if any of

you pray, please pray for us. Cate

PS. Is it even ethical for the shrink to be advising my husband to

use a different cardiologist, and which ones to use?

Guest guest

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Posted
Posted

Avoiding shrinks is good for your health IMHO.

You and your husband are the final say on any treatment

you choose to get or receive.

If this guy is refering after what you say he did then they

are probably his pals and will cover for him.

I would strongly suggest you decide for yourself which doctor

to go to.

Jim

Help! I am shaking, and can't focus, I am so upset.

My 68 year old husband was taking 30mg of Celexa, and driving up into

the backs of trucks on the road, veering off to the right side, and

then, caused a crash making an unsafe left turn. So, I raised hell

enough that the stupid shrink who has him in his clutches put his

dose back to 20mg. That was a year and a half ago.

He has been sleeping most of the time, has no energy, no initiative,

and is sexually inert, took up smoking after 8 years of being smoke-

free, in addition to having developed atrial flutter, memory

impairment, and cognitive deficits, but his driving has been less

hazardous to himself and others. I went to put away something in his

desk drawer this morning, and what do I see, but a new prescription

from the idiot shrink, for 40 mg. of Celexa. Double the dose, for a

now 70 year old man who is already badly damaged by a decade and a

half on one form or another of this garbage.

I suppose you all are going to tell me I cannot shoot the shrink and

take the world out of at least some of its misery, but I am so

horrified. BTW, the appointment from which this prescription for

disaster emanated, like stinking gas from a putrid swamp, included

the shrink advising my husband to consult a cardiology group in

Philadelphia, rather than the one he now sees here in the Lehigh

Valley, as they are more experienced at treating atrial

arrhythmias. !!!! He helped CAUSE my husband to have atrial

arrhythmias! I wonder how much kick-back the SOB gets for each

referral to the Main Line group that does " at least half a dozen

cardiac ablations per day " ! He, the damned idiot shrink, told hubby

he himself had an ablation done there, and he doesn't even have a

pacemaker. Now, if you destroy the sinus node in the heart, the

heart CANNOT send electrical impulses to the ventricles, and if you

don't have a functioning pacemaker under those circumstances, you

die. Right on the spot. No exceptions.

In case anybody thinks I am wound up, you are correct. But, I feel

so helpless. Nothing I say has any value, despite my having spent my

entire adult life time researching health, nutrition, medical and

drug issues, and have a degree in medical librarianship complete with

a thorough grounding in the use and analysis of the medical

literature. Let the shrink croak out a piece of utter fantasy, and

it is Gospel to hubby's ears. It is like being forced to watch a

slow motion ritual murder. Thanks for letting me vent, and if any of

you pray, please pray for us. Cate

PS. Is it even ethical for the shrink to be advising my husband to

use a different cardiologist, and which ones to use?

  • 3 weeks later...
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Thanks for your response -- I am certain that nutrient depletion is

a problem for my husband, both from the primary action of the drugs,

and from the damage they do to the gut, which ends up keeping

nutrients from being absorbed. And then there is the problem of what

he chooses to eat, and not eat. So, over time, the damage adds up.

It is so hard to watch, and know what may be happening, and have a

brick wall where his ears ought to be. That post you included with

your message, from some time back, from the person working on a

handbook describing the Nutrient Depleting Effects of SSRIs makes me

want to know more about that project. It would be good to have

access to a handbook/database to study the nutrient-depleting effects

of all pharmaceutical drugs. gertie

-- In SSRI medications , " alfred8991 " <gatchell@...>

wrote:

>

> Oh Gertie...go on vent all you want, we all understand or we

wouldn't

> be part of this group!You certainly have enough reason too!

>

> Some time ago my husband developed atrial arrhythmias after a night

> out overdoing things, and losing too much minerals in the process

due

> to excessive vomitting.(He's going to be so proud that I'm sharing

> this info with you all!:-)

> I'm most certainly no expert in this regard.Quite the contrary

> actually. I realize that the causes may vary, and the seriousness of

> the conditions as well.

>

> We know that SSRI'S can leach minerals etc as indicated in this very

> interesting posting(below) some time ago.Who knows what effect it

has

> on magnesium levels etc in the body.

> Just an idiot's guess Gertie, but could that possibly be part of

your

> husband's problem, to some degree anyway?

> Perhaps he needs a good supplement?

> Best of luck!

> Steph.

>

> Hi,

> I just read your email/article - Understanding Our Mission. I would

> like to have " the rest of the story " about who and who does not do

> well on these drugs.

>

> I am a holistically train addictions counselor and am researching

> information for a handbook on The Nutrient Depleting Side Effects of

> SSRI Antidepressants. I know for sure SSRIs metabolize out folic

acid,

> sodium and glutithione. I know that people who take omega 3 have

fewer

> symptoms of depression. I know that acetylcholine also helps. The

> information does not seem to have any central database or references

> but is scattered around in various books and websites. I would

> appreciate any references you might have that would helf me in

> identifying sources of research or information on this topic.

> Thanks for all your hard work,

> Sincerely,

> Yoshi (Virginia Delwiche)

>

>

>

>

> >

> > Help! I am shaking, and can't focus, I am so upset.

> >

> > My 68 year old husband was taking 30mg of Celexa, and driving up

into

> > the backs of trucks on the road, veering off to the right side,

and

> > then, caused a crash making an unsafe left turn. So, I raised

hell

> > enough that the stupid shrink who has him in his clutches put his

> > dose back to 20mg. That was a year and a half ago.

> >

> > He has been sleeping most of the time, has no energy, no

initiative,

> > and is sexually inert, took up smoking after 8 years of being

smoke-

> > free, in addition to having developed atrial flutter, memory

> > impairment, and cognitive deficits, but his driving has been

less

> > hazardous to himself and others. I went to put away something in

his

> > desk drawer this morning, and what do I see, but a new

prescription

> > from the idiot shrink, for 40 mg. of Celexa. Double the dose,

for a

> > now 70 year old man who is already badly damaged by a decade and

a

> > half on one form or another of this garbage.

> >

> > I suppose you all are going to tell me I cannot shoot the shrink

and

> > take the world out of at least some of its misery, but I am so

> > horrified. BTW, the appointment from which this prescription for

> > disaster emanated, like stinking gas from a putrid swamp,

included

> > the shrink advising my husband to consult a cardiology group in

> > Philadelphia, rather than the one he now sees here in the Lehigh

> > Valley, as they are more experienced at treating atrial

> > arrhythmias. !!!! He helped CAUSE my husband to have atrial

> > arrhythmias! I wonder how much kick-back the SOB gets for each

> > referral to the Main Line group that does " at least half a dozen

> > cardiac ablations per day " ! He, the damned idiot shrink, told

hubby

> > he himself had an ablation done there, and he doesn't even have a

> > pacemaker. Now, if you destroy the sinus node in the heart, the

> > heart CANNOT send electrical impulses to the ventricles, and if

you

> > don't have a functioning pacemaker under those circumstances, you

> > die. Right on the spot. No exceptions.

> >

> > In case anybody thinks I am wound up, you are correct. But, I

feel

> > so helpless. Nothing I say has any value, despite my having spent

my

> > entire adult life time researching health, nutrition, medical and

> > drug issues, and have a degree in medical librarianship complete

with

> > a thorough grounding in the use and analysis of the medical

> > literature. Let the shrink croak out a piece of utter fantasy,

and

> > it is Gospel to hubby's ears. It is like being forced to watch

a

> > slow motion ritual murder. Thanks for letting me vent, and if

any of

> > you pray, please pray for us. Cate

> >

> > PS. Is it even ethical for the shrink to be advising my husband

to

> > use a different cardiologist, and which ones to use?

> >

>

Guest guest

Guest guest

Posted
Posted

Thanks for your response -- I am certain that nutrient depletion is

a problem for my husband, both from the primary action of the drugs,

and from the damage they do to the gut, which ends up keeping

nutrients from being absorbed. And then there is the problem of what

he chooses to eat, and not eat. So, over time, the damage adds up.

It is so hard to watch, and know what may be happening, and have a

brick wall where his ears ought to be. That post you included with

your message, from some time back, from the person working on a

handbook describing the Nutrient Depleting Effects of SSRIs makes me

want to know more about that project. It would be good to have

access to a handbook/database to study the nutrient-depleting effects

of all pharmaceutical drugs. gertie

-- In SSRI medications , " alfred8991 " <gatchell@...>

wrote:

>

> Oh Gertie...go on vent all you want, we all understand or we

wouldn't

> be part of this group!You certainly have enough reason too!

>

> Some time ago my husband developed atrial arrhythmias after a night

> out overdoing things, and losing too much minerals in the process

due

> to excessive vomitting.(He's going to be so proud that I'm sharing

> this info with you all!:-)

> I'm most certainly no expert in this regard.Quite the contrary

> actually. I realize that the causes may vary, and the seriousness of

> the conditions as well.

>

> We know that SSRI'S can leach minerals etc as indicated in this very

> interesting posting(below) some time ago.Who knows what effect it

has

> on magnesium levels etc in the body.

> Just an idiot's guess Gertie, but could that possibly be part of

your

> husband's problem, to some degree anyway?

> Perhaps he needs a good supplement?

> Best of luck!

> Steph.

>

> Hi,

> I just read your email/article - Understanding Our Mission. I would

> like to have " the rest of the story " about who and who does not do

> well on these drugs.

>

> I am a holistically train addictions counselor and am researching

> information for a handbook on The Nutrient Depleting Side Effects of

> SSRI Antidepressants. I know for sure SSRIs metabolize out folic

acid,

> sodium and glutithione. I know that people who take omega 3 have

fewer

> symptoms of depression. I know that acetylcholine also helps. The

> information does not seem to have any central database or references

> but is scattered around in various books and websites. I would

> appreciate any references you might have that would helf me in

> identifying sources of research or information on this topic.

> Thanks for all your hard work,

> Sincerely,

> Yoshi (Virginia Delwiche)

>

>

>

>

> >

> > Help! I am shaking, and can't focus, I am so upset.

> >

> > My 68 year old husband was taking 30mg of Celexa, and driving up

into

> > the backs of trucks on the road, veering off to the right side,

and

> > then, caused a crash making an unsafe left turn. So, I raised

hell

> > enough that the stupid shrink who has him in his clutches put his

> > dose back to 20mg. That was a year and a half ago.

> >

> > He has been sleeping most of the time, has no energy, no

initiative,

> > and is sexually inert, took up smoking after 8 years of being

smoke-

> > free, in addition to having developed atrial flutter, memory

> > impairment, and cognitive deficits, but his driving has been

less

> > hazardous to himself and others. I went to put away something in

his

> > desk drawer this morning, and what do I see, but a new

prescription

> > from the idiot shrink, for 40 mg. of Celexa. Double the dose,

for a

> > now 70 year old man who is already badly damaged by a decade and

a

> > half on one form or another of this garbage.

> >

> > I suppose you all are going to tell me I cannot shoot the shrink

and

> > take the world out of at least some of its misery, but I am so

> > horrified. BTW, the appointment from which this prescription for

> > disaster emanated, like stinking gas from a putrid swamp,

included

> > the shrink advising my husband to consult a cardiology group in

> > Philadelphia, rather than the one he now sees here in the Lehigh

> > Valley, as they are more experienced at treating atrial

> > arrhythmias. !!!! He helped CAUSE my husband to have atrial

> > arrhythmias! I wonder how much kick-back the SOB gets for each

> > referral to the Main Line group that does " at least half a dozen

> > cardiac ablations per day " ! He, the damned idiot shrink, told

hubby

> > he himself had an ablation done there, and he doesn't even have a

> > pacemaker. Now, if you destroy the sinus node in the heart, the

> > heart CANNOT send electrical impulses to the ventricles, and if

you

> > don't have a functioning pacemaker under those circumstances, you

> > die. Right on the spot. No exceptions.

> >

> > In case anybody thinks I am wound up, you are correct. But, I

feel

> > so helpless. Nothing I say has any value, despite my having spent

my

> > entire adult life time researching health, nutrition, medical and

> > drug issues, and have a degree in medical librarianship complete

with

> > a thorough grounding in the use and analysis of the medical

> > literature. Let the shrink croak out a piece of utter fantasy,

and

> > it is Gospel to hubby's ears. It is like being forced to watch

a

> > slow motion ritual murder. Thanks for letting me vent, and if

any of

> > you pray, please pray for us. Cate

> >

> > PS. Is it even ethical for the shrink to be advising my husband

to

> > use a different cardiologist, and which ones to use?

> >

>

Guest guest

Guest guest

Posted
Posted

Thanks for your response -- I am certain that nutrient depletion is

a problem for my husband, both from the primary action of the drugs,

and from the damage they do to the gut, which ends up keeping

nutrients from being absorbed. And then there is the problem of what

he chooses to eat, and not eat. So, over time, the damage adds up.

It is so hard to watch, and know what may be happening, and have a

brick wall where his ears ought to be. That post you included with

your message, from some time back, from the person working on a

handbook describing the Nutrient Depleting Effects of SSRIs makes me

want to know more about that project. It would be good to have

access to a handbook/database to study the nutrient-depleting effects

of all pharmaceutical drugs. gertie

-- In SSRI medications , " alfred8991 " <gatchell@...>

wrote:

>

> Oh Gertie...go on vent all you want, we all understand or we

wouldn't

> be part of this group!You certainly have enough reason too!

>

> Some time ago my husband developed atrial arrhythmias after a night

> out overdoing things, and losing too much minerals in the process

due

> to excessive vomitting.(He's going to be so proud that I'm sharing

> this info with you all!:-)

> I'm most certainly no expert in this regard.Quite the contrary

> actually. I realize that the causes may vary, and the seriousness of

> the conditions as well.

>

> We know that SSRI'S can leach minerals etc as indicated in this very

> interesting posting(below) some time ago.Who knows what effect it

has

> on magnesium levels etc in the body.

> Just an idiot's guess Gertie, but could that possibly be part of

your

> husband's problem, to some degree anyway?

> Perhaps he needs a good supplement?

> Best of luck!

> Steph.

>

> Hi,

> I just read your email/article - Understanding Our Mission. I would

> like to have " the rest of the story " about who and who does not do

> well on these drugs.

>

> I am a holistically train addictions counselor and am researching

> information for a handbook on The Nutrient Depleting Side Effects of

> SSRI Antidepressants. I know for sure SSRIs metabolize out folic

acid,

> sodium and glutithione. I know that people who take omega 3 have

fewer

> symptoms of depression. I know that acetylcholine also helps. The

> information does not seem to have any central database or references

> but is scattered around in various books and websites. I would

> appreciate any references you might have that would helf me in

> identifying sources of research or information on this topic.

> Thanks for all your hard work,

> Sincerely,

> Yoshi (Virginia Delwiche)

>

>

>

>

> >

> > Help! I am shaking, and can't focus, I am so upset.

> >

> > My 68 year old husband was taking 30mg of Celexa, and driving up

into

> > the backs of trucks on the road, veering off to the right side,

and

> > then, caused a crash making an unsafe left turn. So, I raised

hell

> > enough that the stupid shrink who has him in his clutches put his

> > dose back to 20mg. That was a year and a half ago.

> >

> > He has been sleeping most of the time, has no energy, no

initiative,

> > and is sexually inert, took up smoking after 8 years of being

smoke-

> > free, in addition to having developed atrial flutter, memory

> > impairment, and cognitive deficits, but his driving has been

less

> > hazardous to himself and others. I went to put away something in

his

> > desk drawer this morning, and what do I see, but a new

prescription

> > from the idiot shrink, for 40 mg. of Celexa. Double the dose,

for a

> > now 70 year old man who is already badly damaged by a decade and

a

> > half on one form or another of this garbage.

> >

> > I suppose you all are going to tell me I cannot shoot the shrink

and

> > take the world out of at least some of its misery, but I am so

> > horrified. BTW, the appointment from which this prescription for

> > disaster emanated, like stinking gas from a putrid swamp,

included

> > the shrink advising my husband to consult a cardiology group in

> > Philadelphia, rather than the one he now sees here in the Lehigh

> > Valley, as they are more experienced at treating atrial

> > arrhythmias. !!!! He helped CAUSE my husband to have atrial

> > arrhythmias! I wonder how much kick-back the SOB gets for each

> > referral to the Main Line group that does " at least half a dozen

> > cardiac ablations per day " ! He, the damned idiot shrink, told

hubby

> > he himself had an ablation done there, and he doesn't even have a

> > pacemaker. Now, if you destroy the sinus node in the heart, the

> > heart CANNOT send electrical impulses to the ventricles, and if

you

> > don't have a functioning pacemaker under those circumstances, you

> > die. Right on the spot. No exceptions.

> >

> > In case anybody thinks I am wound up, you are correct. But, I

feel

> > so helpless. Nothing I say has any value, despite my having spent

my

> > entire adult life time researching health, nutrition, medical and

> > drug issues, and have a degree in medical librarianship complete

with

> > a thorough grounding in the use and analysis of the medical

> > literature. Let the shrink croak out a piece of utter fantasy,

and

> > it is Gospel to hubby's ears. It is like being forced to watch

a

> > slow motion ritual murder. Thanks for letting me vent, and if

any of

> > you pray, please pray for us. Cate

> >

> > PS. Is it even ethical for the shrink to be advising my husband

to

> > use a different cardiologist, and which ones to use?

> >

>

Guest guest

Guest guest

Posted
Posted

Thanks for your response -- I am certain that nutrient depletion is

a problem for my husband, both from the primary action of the drugs,

and from the damage they do to the gut, which ends up keeping

nutrients from being absorbed. And then there is the problem of what

he chooses to eat, and not eat. So, over time, the damage adds up.

It is so hard to watch, and know what may be happening, and have a

brick wall where his ears ought to be. That post you included with

your message, from some time back, from the person working on a

handbook describing the Nutrient Depleting Effects of SSRIs makes me

want to know more about that project. It would be good to have

access to a handbook/database to study the nutrient-depleting effects

of all pharmaceutical drugs. gertie

-- In SSRI medications , " alfred8991 " <gatchell@...>

wrote:

>

> Oh Gertie...go on vent all you want, we all understand or we

wouldn't

> be part of this group!You certainly have enough reason too!

>

> Some time ago my husband developed atrial arrhythmias after a night

> out overdoing things, and losing too much minerals in the process

due

> to excessive vomitting.(He's going to be so proud that I'm sharing

> this info with you all!:-)

> I'm most certainly no expert in this regard.Quite the contrary

> actually. I realize that the causes may vary, and the seriousness of

> the conditions as well.

>

> We know that SSRI'S can leach minerals etc as indicated in this very

> interesting posting(below) some time ago.Who knows what effect it

has

> on magnesium levels etc in the body.

> Just an idiot's guess Gertie, but could that possibly be part of

your

> husband's problem, to some degree anyway?

> Perhaps he needs a good supplement?

> Best of luck!

> Steph.

>

> Hi,

> I just read your email/article - Understanding Our Mission. I would

> like to have " the rest of the story " about who and who does not do

> well on these drugs.

>

> I am a holistically train addictions counselor and am researching

> information for a handbook on The Nutrient Depleting Side Effects of

> SSRI Antidepressants. I know for sure SSRIs metabolize out folic

acid,

> sodium and glutithione. I know that people who take omega 3 have

fewer

> symptoms of depression. I know that acetylcholine also helps. The

> information does not seem to have any central database or references

> but is scattered around in various books and websites. I would

> appreciate any references you might have that would helf me in

> identifying sources of research or information on this topic.

> Thanks for all your hard work,

> Sincerely,

> Yoshi (Virginia Delwiche)

>

>

>

>

> >

> > Help! I am shaking, and can't focus, I am so upset.

> >

> > My 68 year old husband was taking 30mg of Celexa, and driving up

into

> > the backs of trucks on the road, veering off to the right side,

and

> > then, caused a crash making an unsafe left turn. So, I raised

hell

> > enough that the stupid shrink who has him in his clutches put his

> > dose back to 20mg. That was a year and a half ago.

> >

> > He has been sleeping most of the time, has no energy, no

initiative,

> > and is sexually inert, took up smoking after 8 years of being

smoke-

> > free, in addition to having developed atrial flutter, memory

> > impairment, and cognitive deficits, but his driving has been

less

> > hazardous to himself and others. I went to put away something in

his

> > desk drawer this morning, and what do I see, but a new

prescription

> > from the idiot shrink, for 40 mg. of Celexa. Double the dose,

for a

> > now 70 year old man who is already badly damaged by a decade and

a

> > half on one form or another of this garbage.

> >

> > I suppose you all are going to tell me I cannot shoot the shrink

and

> > take the world out of at least some of its misery, but I am so

> > horrified. BTW, the appointment from which this prescription for

> > disaster emanated, like stinking gas from a putrid swamp,

included

> > the shrink advising my husband to consult a cardiology group in

> > Philadelphia, rather than the one he now sees here in the Lehigh

> > Valley, as they are more experienced at treating atrial

> > arrhythmias. !!!! He helped CAUSE my husband to have atrial

> > arrhythmias! I wonder how much kick-back the SOB gets for each

> > referral to the Main Line group that does " at least half a dozen

> > cardiac ablations per day " ! He, the damned idiot shrink, told

hubby

> > he himself had an ablation done there, and he doesn't even have a

> > pacemaker. Now, if you destroy the sinus node in the heart, the

> > heart CANNOT send electrical impulses to the ventricles, and if

you

> > don't have a functioning pacemaker under those circumstances, you

> > die. Right on the spot. No exceptions.

> >

> > In case anybody thinks I am wound up, you are correct. But, I

feel

> > so helpless. Nothing I say has any value, despite my having spent

my

> > entire adult life time researching health, nutrition, medical and

> > drug issues, and have a degree in medical librarianship complete

with

> > a thorough grounding in the use and analysis of the medical

> > literature. Let the shrink croak out a piece of utter fantasy,

and

> > it is Gospel to hubby's ears. It is like being forced to watch

a

> > slow motion ritual murder. Thanks for letting me vent, and if

any of

> > you pray, please pray for us. Cate

> >

> > PS. Is it even ethical for the shrink to be advising my husband

to

> > use a different cardiologist, and which ones to use?

> >

>

Guest guest

Guest guest

Posted
Posted

Gertie,

Hopefully Yoshi will respond and help us out with more info?

I'm particularly interested in nerve damage,as I have a friend who has

developed TYPE 2 diabetes, and another young friend who has developed

peripheral neuropathy in her feet.Disgraceful!

Then there is someone who cannot walk at all after about 20 years on

various pills...

After reading this article below I wonder about the nerve damage link.

Vitamin B12?

Chromium and Vanadium?

Aspartame is also linked to developing diabetes.

Due to nerve damage?

There is a strong link with Aspartame and MS.

Steph

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=a042812e-492c-4f07-8245-8a\

598ab5d1bf & k=63970

Tom Blackwell, National Post

Published: Friday, December 15, 2006

In a discovery that has stunned even those behind it, scientists at a

Toronto hospital say they have proof the body's nervous system helps

trigger diabetes, opening the door to a potential near-cure of the

disease that affects millions of Canadians.

Diabetic mice became healthy virtually overnight after researchers

injected a substance to counteract the effect of malfunctioning pain

neurons in the pancreas.

" I couldn't believe it, " said Dr. Salter, a pain expert at the

Hospital for Sick Children and one of the scientists. " Mice with

diabetes suddenly didn't have diabetes any more. "

The researchers caution they have yet to confirm their findings in

people, but say they expect results from human studies within a year

or so. Any treatment that may emerge to help at least some patients

would likely be years away from hitting the market.

But the excitement of the team from Sick Kids, whose work is being

published today in the journal Cell, is almost palpable.

" I've never seen anything like it, " said Dr. Hans Dosch, an

immunologist at the hospital and a leader of the studies. " In my

career, this is unique. "

Their conclusions upset conventional wisdom that Type 1 diabetes, the

most serious form of the illness that typically first appears in

childhood, was solely caused by auto-immune responses -- the body's

immune system turning on itself.

They also conclude that there are far more similarities than

previously thought between Type 1 and Type 2 diabetes, and that nerves

likely play a role in other chronic inflammatory conditions, such as

asthma and Crohn's disease.

The " paradigm-changing " study opens " a novel, exciting door to address

one of the diseases with large societal impact, " said Dr. Christian

Stohler, a leading U.S. pain specialist and dean of dentistry at the

University of land, who has reviewed the work.

" The treatment and diagnosis of neuropathic diseases is poised to take

a dramatic leap forward because of the impressive research. "

About two million Canadians suffer from diabetes, 10% of them with

Type 1, contributing to 41,000 deaths a year.

Insulin replacement therapy is the only treatment of Type 1, and

cannot prevent many of the side effects, from heart attacks to kidney

failure.

In Type 1 diabetes, the pancreas does not produce enough insulin to

shift glucose into the cells that need it. In Type 2 diabetes, the

insulin that is produced is not used effectively -- something called

insulin resistance -- also resulting in poor absorption of glucose.

The problems stem partly from inflammation -- and eventual death -- of

insulin-producing islet cells in the pancreas.

Dr. Dosch had concluded in a 1999 paper that there were surprising

similarities between diabetes and multiple sclerosis, a central

nervous system disease. His interest was also piqued by the presence

around the insulin-producing islets of an " enormous " number of nerves,

pain neurons primarily used to signal the brain that tissue has been

damaged.

Suspecting a link between the nerves and diabetes, he and Dr. Salter

used an old experimental trick -- injecting capsaicin, the active

ingredient in hot chili peppers, to kill the pancreatic sensory nerves

in mice that had an equivalent of Type 1 diabetes.

Tom Blackwell, National Post

Published: Friday, December 15, 2006

" Then we had the biggest shock of our lives, " Dr. Dosch said. Almost

immediately, the islets began producing insulin normally " It was a

shock ? really out of left field, because nothing in the literature

was saying anything about this. "

It turns out the nerves secrete neuropeptides that are instrumental in

the proper functioning of the islets. Further study by the team, which

also involved the University of Calgary and the Laboratory in

Maine, found that the nerves in diabetic mice were releasing too

little of the neuropeptides, resulting in a " vicious cycle " of stress

on the islets.

So next they injected the neuropeptide " substance P " in the pancreases

of diabetic mice, a demanding task given the tiny size of the rodent

organs. The results were dramatic.

The islet inflammation cleared up and the diabetes was gone. Some have

remained in that state for as long as four months, with just one

injection.

They also discovered that their treatments curbed the insulin

resistance that is the hallmark of Type 2 diabetes, and that insulin

resistance is a major factor in Type 1 diabetes, suggesting the two

illnesses are quite similar.

While pain scientists have been receptive to the research,

immunologists have voiced skepticism at the idea of the nervous system

playing such a major role in the disease. Editors of Cell put the

Toronto researchers through vigorous review to prove the validity of

their conclusions, though an editorial in the publication gives a

positive review of the work.

" It will no doubt cause a great deal of consternation, " said Dr.

Salter about his paper.

The researchers are now setting out to confirm that the connection

between sensory nerves and diabetes holds true in humans. If it does,

they will see if their treatments have the same effects on people as

they did on mice.

Nothing is for sure, but " there is a great deal of promise, " Dr.

Salter said.

© National Post 2006

> > >

> > > Help! I am shaking, and can't focus, I am so upset.

> > >

> > > My 68 year old husband was taking 30mg of Celexa, and driving up

> into

> > > the backs of trucks on the road, veering off to the right side,

> and

> > > then, caused a crash making an unsafe left turn. So, I raised

> hell

> > > enough that the stupid shrink who has him in his clutches put his

> > > dose back to 20mg. That was a year and a half ago.

> > >

> > > He has been sleeping most of the time, has no energy, no

> initiative,

> > > and is sexually inert, took up smoking after 8 years of being

> smoke-

> > > free, in addition to having developed atrial flutter, memory

> > > impairment, and cognitive deficits, but his driving has been

> less

> > > hazardous to himself and others. I went to put away something in

> his

> > > desk drawer this morning, and what do I see, but a new

> prescription

> > > from the idiot shrink, for 40 mg. of Celexa. Double the dose,

> for a

> > > now 70 year old man who is already badly damaged by a decade and

> a

> > > half on one form or another of this garbage.

> > >

> > > I suppose you all are going to tell me I cannot shoot the shrink

> and

> > > take the world out of at least some of its misery, but I am so

> > > horrified. BTW, the appointment from which this prescription for

> > > disaster emanated, like stinking gas from a putrid swamp,

> included

> > > the shrink advising my husband to consult a cardiology group in

> > > Philadelphia, rather than the one he now sees here in the Lehigh

> > > Valley, as they are more experienced at treating atrial

> > > arrhythmias. !!!! He helped CAUSE my husband to have atrial

> > > arrhythmias! I wonder how much kick-back the SOB gets for each

> > > referral to the Main Line group that does " at least half a dozen

> > > cardiac ablations per day " ! He, the damned idiot shrink, told

> hubby

> > > he himself had an ablation done there, and he doesn't even have a

> > > pacemaker. Now, if you destroy the sinus node in the heart, the

> > > heart CANNOT send electrical impulses to the ventricles, and if

> you

> > > don't have a functioning pacemaker under those circumstances, you

> > > die. Right on the spot. No exceptions.

> > >

> > > In case anybody thinks I am wound up, you are correct. But, I

> feel

> > > so helpless. Nothing I say has any value, despite my having spent

> my

> > > entire adult life time researching health, nutrition, medical and

> > > drug issues, and have a degree in medical librarianship complete

> with

> > > a thorough grounding in the use and analysis of the medical

> > > literature. Let the shrink croak out a piece of utter fantasy,

> and

> > > it is Gospel to hubby's ears. It is like being forced to watch

> a

> > > slow motion ritual murder. Thanks for letting me vent, and if

> any of

> > > you pray, please pray for us. Cate

> > >

> > > PS. Is it even ethical for the shrink to be advising my husband

> to

> > > use a different cardiologist, and which ones to use?

> > >

> >

>

Guest guest

Guest guest

Posted
Posted

Gertie,

Hopefully Yoshi will respond and help us out with more info?

I'm particularly interested in nerve damage,as I have a friend who has

developed TYPE 2 diabetes, and another young friend who has developed

peripheral neuropathy in her feet.Disgraceful!

Then there is someone who cannot walk at all after about 20 years on

various pills...

After reading this article below I wonder about the nerve damage link.

Vitamin B12?

Chromium and Vanadium?

Aspartame is also linked to developing diabetes.

Due to nerve damage?

There is a strong link with Aspartame and MS.

Steph

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=a042812e-492c-4f07-8245-8a\

598ab5d1bf & k=63970

Tom Blackwell, National Post

Published: Friday, December 15, 2006

In a discovery that has stunned even those behind it, scientists at a

Toronto hospital say they have proof the body's nervous system helps

trigger diabetes, opening the door to a potential near-cure of the

disease that affects millions of Canadians.

Diabetic mice became healthy virtually overnight after researchers

injected a substance to counteract the effect of malfunctioning pain

neurons in the pancreas.

" I couldn't believe it, " said Dr. Salter, a pain expert at the

Hospital for Sick Children and one of the scientists. " Mice with

diabetes suddenly didn't have diabetes any more. "

The researchers caution they have yet to confirm their findings in

people, but say they expect results from human studies within a year

or so. Any treatment that may emerge to help at least some patients

would likely be years away from hitting the market.

But the excitement of the team from Sick Kids, whose work is being

published today in the journal Cell, is almost palpable.

" I've never seen anything like it, " said Dr. Hans Dosch, an

immunologist at the hospital and a leader of the studies. " In my

career, this is unique. "

Their conclusions upset conventional wisdom that Type 1 diabetes, the

most serious form of the illness that typically first appears in

childhood, was solely caused by auto-immune responses -- the body's

immune system turning on itself.

They also conclude that there are far more similarities than

previously thought between Type 1 and Type 2 diabetes, and that nerves

likely play a role in other chronic inflammatory conditions, such as

asthma and Crohn's disease.

The " paradigm-changing " study opens " a novel, exciting door to address

one of the diseases with large societal impact, " said Dr. Christian

Stohler, a leading U.S. pain specialist and dean of dentistry at the

University of land, who has reviewed the work.

" The treatment and diagnosis of neuropathic diseases is poised to take

a dramatic leap forward because of the impressive research. "

About two million Canadians suffer from diabetes, 10% of them with

Type 1, contributing to 41,000 deaths a year.

Insulin replacement therapy is the only treatment of Type 1, and

cannot prevent many of the side effects, from heart attacks to kidney

failure.

In Type 1 diabetes, the pancreas does not produce enough insulin to

shift glucose into the cells that need it. In Type 2 diabetes, the

insulin that is produced is not used effectively -- something called

insulin resistance -- also resulting in poor absorption of glucose.

The problems stem partly from inflammation -- and eventual death -- of

insulin-producing islet cells in the pancreas.

Dr. Dosch had concluded in a 1999 paper that there were surprising

similarities between diabetes and multiple sclerosis, a central

nervous system disease. His interest was also piqued by the presence

around the insulin-producing islets of an " enormous " number of nerves,

pain neurons primarily used to signal the brain that tissue has been

damaged.

Suspecting a link between the nerves and diabetes, he and Dr. Salter

used an old experimental trick -- injecting capsaicin, the active

ingredient in hot chili peppers, to kill the pancreatic sensory nerves

in mice that had an equivalent of Type 1 diabetes.

Tom Blackwell, National Post

Published: Friday, December 15, 2006

" Then we had the biggest shock of our lives, " Dr. Dosch said. Almost

immediately, the islets began producing insulin normally " It was a

shock ? really out of left field, because nothing in the literature

was saying anything about this. "

It turns out the nerves secrete neuropeptides that are instrumental in

the proper functioning of the islets. Further study by the team, which

also involved the University of Calgary and the Laboratory in

Maine, found that the nerves in diabetic mice were releasing too

little of the neuropeptides, resulting in a " vicious cycle " of stress

on the islets.

So next they injected the neuropeptide " substance P " in the pancreases

of diabetic mice, a demanding task given the tiny size of the rodent

organs. The results were dramatic.

The islet inflammation cleared up and the diabetes was gone. Some have

remained in that state for as long as four months, with just one

injection.

They also discovered that their treatments curbed the insulin

resistance that is the hallmark of Type 2 diabetes, and that insulin

resistance is a major factor in Type 1 diabetes, suggesting the two

illnesses are quite similar.

While pain scientists have been receptive to the research,

immunologists have voiced skepticism at the idea of the nervous system

playing such a major role in the disease. Editors of Cell put the

Toronto researchers through vigorous review to prove the validity of

their conclusions, though an editorial in the publication gives a

positive review of the work.

" It will no doubt cause a great deal of consternation, " said Dr.

Salter about his paper.

The researchers are now setting out to confirm that the connection

between sensory nerves and diabetes holds true in humans. If it does,

they will see if their treatments have the same effects on people as

they did on mice.

Nothing is for sure, but " there is a great deal of promise, " Dr.

Salter said.

© National Post 2006

> > >

> > > Help! I am shaking, and can't focus, I am so upset.

> > >

> > > My 68 year old husband was taking 30mg of Celexa, and driving up

> into

> > > the backs of trucks on the road, veering off to the right side,

> and

> > > then, caused a crash making an unsafe left turn. So, I raised

> hell

> > > enough that the stupid shrink who has him in his clutches put his

> > > dose back to 20mg. That was a year and a half ago.

> > >

> > > He has been sleeping most of the time, has no energy, no

> initiative,

> > > and is sexually inert, took up smoking after 8 years of being

> smoke-

> > > free, in addition to having developed atrial flutter, memory

> > > impairment, and cognitive deficits, but his driving has been

> less

> > > hazardous to himself and others. I went to put away something in

> his

> > > desk drawer this morning, and what do I see, but a new

> prescription

> > > from the idiot shrink, for 40 mg. of Celexa. Double the dose,

> for a

> > > now 70 year old man who is already badly damaged by a decade and

> a

> > > half on one form or another of this garbage.

> > >

> > > I suppose you all are going to tell me I cannot shoot the shrink

> and

> > > take the world out of at least some of its misery, but I am so

> > > horrified. BTW, the appointment from which this prescription for

> > > disaster emanated, like stinking gas from a putrid swamp,

> included

> > > the shrink advising my husband to consult a cardiology group in

> > > Philadelphia, rather than the one he now sees here in the Lehigh

> > > Valley, as they are more experienced at treating atrial

> > > arrhythmias. !!!! He helped CAUSE my husband to have atrial

> > > arrhythmias! I wonder how much kick-back the SOB gets for each

> > > referral to the Main Line group that does " at least half a dozen

> > > cardiac ablations per day " ! He, the damned idiot shrink, told

> hubby

> > > he himself had an ablation done there, and he doesn't even have a

> > > pacemaker. Now, if you destroy the sinus node in the heart, the

> > > heart CANNOT send electrical impulses to the ventricles, and if

> you

> > > don't have a functioning pacemaker under those circumstances, you

> > > die. Right on the spot. No exceptions.

> > >

> > > In case anybody thinks I am wound up, you are correct. But, I

> feel

> > > so helpless. Nothing I say has any value, despite my having spent

> my

> > > entire adult life time researching health, nutrition, medical and

> > > drug issues, and have a degree in medical librarianship complete

> with

> > > a thorough grounding in the use and analysis of the medical

> > > literature. Let the shrink croak out a piece of utter fantasy,

> and

> > > it is Gospel to hubby's ears. It is like being forced to watch

> a

> > > slow motion ritual murder. Thanks for letting me vent, and if

> any of

> > > you pray, please pray for us. Cate

> > >

> > > PS. Is it even ethical for the shrink to be advising my husband

> to

> > > use a different cardiologist, and which ones to use?

> > >

> >

>

Guest guest

Guest guest

Posted
Posted

Gertie,

Hopefully Yoshi will respond and help us out with more info?

I'm particularly interested in nerve damage,as I have a friend who has

developed TYPE 2 diabetes, and another young friend who has developed

peripheral neuropathy in her feet.Disgraceful!

Then there is someone who cannot walk at all after about 20 years on

various pills...

After reading this article below I wonder about the nerve damage link.

Vitamin B12?

Chromium and Vanadium?

Aspartame is also linked to developing diabetes.

Due to nerve damage?

There is a strong link with Aspartame and MS.

Steph

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=a042812e-492c-4f07-8245-8a\

598ab5d1bf & k=63970

Tom Blackwell, National Post

Published: Friday, December 15, 2006

In a discovery that has stunned even those behind it, scientists at a

Toronto hospital say they have proof the body's nervous system helps

trigger diabetes, opening the door to a potential near-cure of the

disease that affects millions of Canadians.

Diabetic mice became healthy virtually overnight after researchers

injected a substance to counteract the effect of malfunctioning pain

neurons in the pancreas.

" I couldn't believe it, " said Dr. Salter, a pain expert at the

Hospital for Sick Children and one of the scientists. " Mice with

diabetes suddenly didn't have diabetes any more. "

The researchers caution they have yet to confirm their findings in

people, but say they expect results from human studies within a year

or so. Any treatment that may emerge to help at least some patients

would likely be years away from hitting the market.

But the excitement of the team from Sick Kids, whose work is being

published today in the journal Cell, is almost palpable.

" I've never seen anything like it, " said Dr. Hans Dosch, an

immunologist at the hospital and a leader of the studies. " In my

career, this is unique. "

Their conclusions upset conventional wisdom that Type 1 diabetes, the

most serious form of the illness that typically first appears in

childhood, was solely caused by auto-immune responses -- the body's

immune system turning on itself.

They also conclude that there are far more similarities than

previously thought between Type 1 and Type 2 diabetes, and that nerves

likely play a role in other chronic inflammatory conditions, such as

asthma and Crohn's disease.

The " paradigm-changing " study opens " a novel, exciting door to address

one of the diseases with large societal impact, " said Dr. Christian

Stohler, a leading U.S. pain specialist and dean of dentistry at the

University of land, who has reviewed the work.

" The treatment and diagnosis of neuropathic diseases is poised to take

a dramatic leap forward because of the impressive research. "

About two million Canadians suffer from diabetes, 10% of them with

Type 1, contributing to 41,000 deaths a year.

Insulin replacement therapy is the only treatment of Type 1, and

cannot prevent many of the side effects, from heart attacks to kidney

failure.

In Type 1 diabetes, the pancreas does not produce enough insulin to

shift glucose into the cells that need it. In Type 2 diabetes, the

insulin that is produced is not used effectively -- something called

insulin resistance -- also resulting in poor absorption of glucose.

The problems stem partly from inflammation -- and eventual death -- of

insulin-producing islet cells in the pancreas.

Dr. Dosch had concluded in a 1999 paper that there were surprising

similarities between diabetes and multiple sclerosis, a central

nervous system disease. His interest was also piqued by the presence

around the insulin-producing islets of an " enormous " number of nerves,

pain neurons primarily used to signal the brain that tissue has been

damaged.

Suspecting a link between the nerves and diabetes, he and Dr. Salter

used an old experimental trick -- injecting capsaicin, the active

ingredient in hot chili peppers, to kill the pancreatic sensory nerves

in mice that had an equivalent of Type 1 diabetes.

Tom Blackwell, National Post

Published: Friday, December 15, 2006

" Then we had the biggest shock of our lives, " Dr. Dosch said. Almost

immediately, the islets began producing insulin normally " It was a

shock ? really out of left field, because nothing in the literature

was saying anything about this. "

It turns out the nerves secrete neuropeptides that are instrumental in

the proper functioning of the islets. Further study by the team, which

also involved the University of Calgary and the Laboratory in

Maine, found that the nerves in diabetic mice were releasing too

little of the neuropeptides, resulting in a " vicious cycle " of stress

on the islets.

So next they injected the neuropeptide " substance P " in the pancreases

of diabetic mice, a demanding task given the tiny size of the rodent

organs. The results were dramatic.

The islet inflammation cleared up and the diabetes was gone. Some have

remained in that state for as long as four months, with just one

injection.

They also discovered that their treatments curbed the insulin

resistance that is the hallmark of Type 2 diabetes, and that insulin

resistance is a major factor in Type 1 diabetes, suggesting the two

illnesses are quite similar.

While pain scientists have been receptive to the research,

immunologists have voiced skepticism at the idea of the nervous system

playing such a major role in the disease. Editors of Cell put the

Toronto researchers through vigorous review to prove the validity of

their conclusions, though an editorial in the publication gives a

positive review of the work.

" It will no doubt cause a great deal of consternation, " said Dr.

Salter about his paper.

The researchers are now setting out to confirm that the connection

between sensory nerves and diabetes holds true in humans. If it does,

they will see if their treatments have the same effects on people as

they did on mice.

Nothing is for sure, but " there is a great deal of promise, " Dr.

Salter said.

© National Post 2006

> > >

> > > Help! I am shaking, and can't focus, I am so upset.

> > >

> > > My 68 year old husband was taking 30mg of Celexa, and driving up

> into

> > > the backs of trucks on the road, veering off to the right side,

> and

> > > then, caused a crash making an unsafe left turn. So, I raised

> hell

> > > enough that the stupid shrink who has him in his clutches put his

> > > dose back to 20mg. That was a year and a half ago.

> > >

> > > He has been sleeping most of the time, has no energy, no

> initiative,

> > > and is sexually inert, took up smoking after 8 years of being

> smoke-

> > > free, in addition to having developed atrial flutter, memory

> > > impairment, and cognitive deficits, but his driving has been

> less

> > > hazardous to himself and others. I went to put away something in

> his

> > > desk drawer this morning, and what do I see, but a new

> prescription

> > > from the idiot shrink, for 40 mg. of Celexa. Double the dose,

> for a

> > > now 70 year old man who is already badly damaged by a decade and

> a

> > > half on one form or another of this garbage.

> > >

> > > I suppose you all are going to tell me I cannot shoot the shrink

> and

> > > take the world out of at least some of its misery, but I am so

> > > horrified. BTW, the appointment from which this prescription for

> > > disaster emanated, like stinking gas from a putrid swamp,

> included

> > > the shrink advising my husband to consult a cardiology group in

> > > Philadelphia, rather than the one he now sees here in the Lehigh

> > > Valley, as they are more experienced at treating atrial

> > > arrhythmias. !!!! He helped CAUSE my husband to have atrial

> > > arrhythmias! I wonder how much kick-back the SOB gets for each

> > > referral to the Main Line group that does " at least half a dozen

> > > cardiac ablations per day " ! He, the damned idiot shrink, told

> hubby

> > > he himself had an ablation done there, and he doesn't even have a

> > > pacemaker. Now, if you destroy the sinus node in the heart, the

> > > heart CANNOT send electrical impulses to the ventricles, and if

> you

> > > don't have a functioning pacemaker under those circumstances, you

> > > die. Right on the spot. No exceptions.

> > >

> > > In case anybody thinks I am wound up, you are correct. But, I

> feel

> > > so helpless. Nothing I say has any value, despite my having spent

> my

> > > entire adult life time researching health, nutrition, medical and

> > > drug issues, and have a degree in medical librarianship complete

> with

> > > a thorough grounding in the use and analysis of the medical

> > > literature. Let the shrink croak out a piece of utter fantasy,

> and

> > > it is Gospel to hubby's ears. It is like being forced to watch

> a

> > > slow motion ritual murder. Thanks for letting me vent, and if

> any of

> > > you pray, please pray for us. Cate

> > >

> > > PS. Is it even ethical for the shrink to be advising my husband

> to

> > > use a different cardiologist, and which ones to use?

> > >

> >

>

Guest guest

Guest guest

Posted
Posted

Gertie,

Hopefully Yoshi will respond and help us out with more info?

I'm particularly interested in nerve damage,as I have a friend who has

developed TYPE 2 diabetes, and another young friend who has developed

peripheral neuropathy in her feet.Disgraceful!

Then there is someone who cannot walk at all after about 20 years on

various pills...

After reading this article below I wonder about the nerve damage link.

Vitamin B12?

Chromium and Vanadium?

Aspartame is also linked to developing diabetes.

Due to nerve damage?

There is a strong link with Aspartame and MS.

Steph

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=a042812e-492c-4f07-8245-8a\

598ab5d1bf & k=63970

Tom Blackwell, National Post

Published: Friday, December 15, 2006

In a discovery that has stunned even those behind it, scientists at a

Toronto hospital say they have proof the body's nervous system helps

trigger diabetes, opening the door to a potential near-cure of the

disease that affects millions of Canadians.

Diabetic mice became healthy virtually overnight after researchers

injected a substance to counteract the effect of malfunctioning pain

neurons in the pancreas.

" I couldn't believe it, " said Dr. Salter, a pain expert at the

Hospital for Sick Children and one of the scientists. " Mice with

diabetes suddenly didn't have diabetes any more. "

The researchers caution they have yet to confirm their findings in

people, but say they expect results from human studies within a year

or so. Any treatment that may emerge to help at least some patients

would likely be years away from hitting the market.

But the excitement of the team from Sick Kids, whose work is being

published today in the journal Cell, is almost palpable.

" I've never seen anything like it, " said Dr. Hans Dosch, an

immunologist at the hospital and a leader of the studies. " In my

career, this is unique. "

Their conclusions upset conventional wisdom that Type 1 diabetes, the

most serious form of the illness that typically first appears in

childhood, was solely caused by auto-immune responses -- the body's

immune system turning on itself.

They also conclude that there are far more similarities than

previously thought between Type 1 and Type 2 diabetes, and that nerves

likely play a role in other chronic inflammatory conditions, such as

asthma and Crohn's disease.

The " paradigm-changing " study opens " a novel, exciting door to address

one of the diseases with large societal impact, " said Dr. Christian

Stohler, a leading U.S. pain specialist and dean of dentistry at the

University of land, who has reviewed the work.

" The treatment and diagnosis of neuropathic diseases is poised to take

a dramatic leap forward because of the impressive research. "

About two million Canadians suffer from diabetes, 10% of them with

Type 1, contributing to 41,000 deaths a year.

Insulin replacement therapy is the only treatment of Type 1, and

cannot prevent many of the side effects, from heart attacks to kidney

failure.

In Type 1 diabetes, the pancreas does not produce enough insulin to

shift glucose into the cells that need it. In Type 2 diabetes, the

insulin that is produced is not used effectively -- something called

insulin resistance -- also resulting in poor absorption of glucose.

The problems stem partly from inflammation -- and eventual death -- of

insulin-producing islet cells in the pancreas.

Dr. Dosch had concluded in a 1999 paper that there were surprising

similarities between diabetes and multiple sclerosis, a central

nervous system disease. His interest was also piqued by the presence

around the insulin-producing islets of an " enormous " number of nerves,

pain neurons primarily used to signal the brain that tissue has been

damaged.

Suspecting a link between the nerves and diabetes, he and Dr. Salter

used an old experimental trick -- injecting capsaicin, the active

ingredient in hot chili peppers, to kill the pancreatic sensory nerves

in mice that had an equivalent of Type 1 diabetes.

Tom Blackwell, National Post

Published: Friday, December 15, 2006

" Then we had the biggest shock of our lives, " Dr. Dosch said. Almost

immediately, the islets began producing insulin normally " It was a

shock ? really out of left field, because nothing in the literature

was saying anything about this. "

It turns out the nerves secrete neuropeptides that are instrumental in

the proper functioning of the islets. Further study by the team, which

also involved the University of Calgary and the Laboratory in

Maine, found that the nerves in diabetic mice were releasing too

little of the neuropeptides, resulting in a " vicious cycle " of stress

on the islets.

So next they injected the neuropeptide " substance P " in the pancreases

of diabetic mice, a demanding task given the tiny size of the rodent

organs. The results were dramatic.

The islet inflammation cleared up and the diabetes was gone. Some have

remained in that state for as long as four months, with just one

injection.

They also discovered that their treatments curbed the insulin

resistance that is the hallmark of Type 2 diabetes, and that insulin

resistance is a major factor in Type 1 diabetes, suggesting the two

illnesses are quite similar.

While pain scientists have been receptive to the research,

immunologists have voiced skepticism at the idea of the nervous system

playing such a major role in the disease. Editors of Cell put the

Toronto researchers through vigorous review to prove the validity of

their conclusions, though an editorial in the publication gives a

positive review of the work.

" It will no doubt cause a great deal of consternation, " said Dr.

Salter about his paper.

The researchers are now setting out to confirm that the connection

between sensory nerves and diabetes holds true in humans. If it does,

they will see if their treatments have the same effects on people as

they did on mice.

Nothing is for sure, but " there is a great deal of promise, " Dr.

Salter said.

© National Post 2006

> > >

> > > Help! I am shaking, and can't focus, I am so upset.

> > >

> > > My 68 year old husband was taking 30mg of Celexa, and driving up

> into

> > > the backs of trucks on the road, veering off to the right side,

> and

> > > then, caused a crash making an unsafe left turn. So, I raised

> hell

> > > enough that the stupid shrink who has him in his clutches put his

> > > dose back to 20mg. That was a year and a half ago.

> > >

> > > He has been sleeping most of the time, has no energy, no

> initiative,

> > > and is sexually inert, took up smoking after 8 years of being

> smoke-

> > > free, in addition to having developed atrial flutter, memory

> > > impairment, and cognitive deficits, but his driving has been

> less

> > > hazardous to himself and others. I went to put away something in

> his

> > > desk drawer this morning, and what do I see, but a new

> prescription

> > > from the idiot shrink, for 40 mg. of Celexa. Double the dose,

> for a

> > > now 70 year old man who is already badly damaged by a decade and

> a

> > > half on one form or another of this garbage.

> > >

> > > I suppose you all are going to tell me I cannot shoot the shrink

> and

> > > take the world out of at least some of its misery, but I am so

> > > horrified. BTW, the appointment from which this prescription for

> > > disaster emanated, like stinking gas from a putrid swamp,

> included

> > > the shrink advising my husband to consult a cardiology group in

> > > Philadelphia, rather than the one he now sees here in the Lehigh

> > > Valley, as they are more experienced at treating atrial

> > > arrhythmias. !!!! He helped CAUSE my husband to have atrial

> > > arrhythmias! I wonder how much kick-back the SOB gets for each

> > > referral to the Main Line group that does " at least half a dozen

> > > cardiac ablations per day " ! He, the damned idiot shrink, told

> hubby

> > > he himself had an ablation done there, and he doesn't even have a

> > > pacemaker. Now, if you destroy the sinus node in the heart, the

> > > heart CANNOT send electrical impulses to the ventricles, and if

> you

> > > don't have a functioning pacemaker under those circumstances, you

> > > die. Right on the spot. No exceptions.

> > >

> > > In case anybody thinks I am wound up, you are correct. But, I

> feel

> > > so helpless. Nothing I say has any value, despite my having spent

> my

> > > entire adult life time researching health, nutrition, medical and

> > > drug issues, and have a degree in medical librarianship complete

> with

> > > a thorough grounding in the use and analysis of the medical

> > > literature. Let the shrink croak out a piece of utter fantasy,

> and

> > > it is Gospel to hubby's ears. It is like being forced to watch

> a

> > > slow motion ritual murder. Thanks for letting me vent, and if

> any of

> > > you pray, please pray for us. Cate

> > >

> > > PS. Is it even ethical for the shrink to be advising my husband

> to

> > > use a different cardiologist, and which ones to use?

> > >

> >

>

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