Guest guest Posted October 23, 2004 Report Share Posted October 23, 2004 In Madison COunty Alabama they now have " Mental Health Court " where a District & Municipal Judges are sending offenders to the Mental Health Center. I don't know if this is an involuntary treatment or if the offender is given the option. I do know that only a Probate Judge has the right according to the law to commit an Alabamian involuntarily to out-patient psychiatric commitment. While we certainly don't want there to be any excuse for commiting crimes or that will be used to let dangerous people go free, we need to start writing legislators, governors, Lt. Gov.'s (pres. of State SEnates), etc. and start asking questions about how many criminals that they are having to pay to keep in jail committed their crimes were under the influence of psychiatrists' drugs. I don't know about your state but Georgia & Alabama are both under severe financial constraints in their budgets. The prisons are buldging. There's no where to put all the offenders. The mental health industries are booming. If you can get their attention that this problem of antidepressants may be contributing to their negative bottom line and is going to do nothing in the future but continue to create citizens that will be on disability not able to work demanding those expensive drugs while they are not able to pay taxes, this may be a more effective motivating approach that expecting them to believe that the drugs they think they are " helping " people by funding for " mental health " are actually causing so many of society's exploding problems. The N.Y.A.G. has sued one manufacturer for keeping the drugs on the market when they knew it was causing children to kill themselves. Most states has recieved money from the big settlements with the cigarette manufacturers for their lies for so many years that their cigarretts weren't hurting anyone .I forsee a day when more state governments will sue the manufacturers to be compensated for the costs to the governments to deal with their dysfuctional victims. This will happen sooner if there is political activism to educate the politicians. Now is a good time during the campaigning to go to these public events where they will be available to chat much easier than trying to communicate with them during the legislative session or at work. Dr. Lance, D.C. 800 309 6560 ---- Original Message ----- From: " Buggy " <heather_buggy@...> <SSRI medications > Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 7:44 PM Subject: Re: Psych drug crimes Actually, we all have kept up with ssri-crimes pretty closely. Of course, we only have access to what the media reports. Often, even if the reporter doesn't uncover it, or if it simply did not come out in the story, you can guess which bizarre acts might be linked to the perpetrator being on ssris. We all have posted so many of these stories, it would take a very long time to go through the archives and pull them all out. Let me point out that if you commit a crime while under the influence of alcohol, perfectly legal and does not require a prescription, that's just tough luck, you go to jail anyway. I know I've read that by some estimates, something like 90% of all crimes are committed under the influence of one drug or another. Voluntary intoxication. My problem with this is that when we go to the doctor and engage in a relationship in which we trust our doctors and what they prescribe, then how is that not involuntary intoxication? And if the FAA regards ssris as a serious impairment to operating a moving vehicle, then why are these folks allowed to drive cars, suv's, etc...if I take benadryl, then go driving and wreck, you better believe the cops will charge me the accident. So will the insurance co... Re: Psych drug crimes > In a message dated 10/22/04 4:45:48 PM Mountain Daylight Time, > SSRI medications writes: > > > > Has anyone on this list complied any data on the method of commiting > > suicides and homocides on particular psychiatrists drugs? > > > > Tim Casey, the husband of the owner of this list, once made such a > compilation. I wish I could remember how he decided which drugs induced a > person to > commit certain acts in certain ways. Maybe he'll see this post and pop in > here. > You could read Ann Blake 's book " Prozac: Panacea or Pandora " -- she > also lists grisly crimes and which drugs cause what. > > " Blind Reason " > a novel of pharmaceutical intrigue > Think your antidepressant is safe? Think again. It's > Unsafe At Any Dose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2004 Report Share Posted October 23, 2004 In Madison COunty Alabama they now have " Mental Health Court " where a District & Municipal Judges are sending offenders to the Mental Health Center. I don't know if this is an involuntary treatment or if the offender is given the option. I do know that only a Probate Judge has the right according to the law to commit an Alabamian involuntarily to out-patient psychiatric commitment. While we certainly don't want there to be any excuse for commiting crimes or that will be used to let dangerous people go free, we need to start writing legislators, governors, Lt. Gov.'s (pres. of State SEnates), etc. and start asking questions about how many criminals that they are having to pay to keep in jail committed their crimes were under the influence of psychiatrists' drugs. I don't know about your state but Georgia & Alabama are both under severe financial constraints in their budgets. The prisons are buldging. There's no where to put all the offenders. The mental health industries are booming. If you can get their attention that this problem of antidepressants may be contributing to their negative bottom line and is going to do nothing in the future but continue to create citizens that will be on disability not able to work demanding those expensive drugs while they are not able to pay taxes, this may be a more effective motivating approach that expecting them to believe that the drugs they think they are " helping " people by funding for " mental health " are actually causing so many of society's exploding problems. The N.Y.A.G. has sued one manufacturer for keeping the drugs on the market when they knew it was causing children to kill themselves. Most states has recieved money from the big settlements with the cigarette manufacturers for their lies for so many years that their cigarretts weren't hurting anyone .I forsee a day when more state governments will sue the manufacturers to be compensated for the costs to the governments to deal with their dysfuctional victims. This will happen sooner if there is political activism to educate the politicians. Now is a good time during the campaigning to go to these public events where they will be available to chat much easier than trying to communicate with them during the legislative session or at work. Dr. Lance, D.C. 800 309 6560 ---- Original Message ----- From: " Buggy " <heather_buggy@...> <SSRI medications > Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 7:44 PM Subject: Re: Psych drug crimes Actually, we all have kept up with ssri-crimes pretty closely. Of course, we only have access to what the media reports. Often, even if the reporter doesn't uncover it, or if it simply did not come out in the story, you can guess which bizarre acts might be linked to the perpetrator being on ssris. We all have posted so many of these stories, it would take a very long time to go through the archives and pull them all out. Let me point out that if you commit a crime while under the influence of alcohol, perfectly legal and does not require a prescription, that's just tough luck, you go to jail anyway. I know I've read that by some estimates, something like 90% of all crimes are committed under the influence of one drug or another. Voluntary intoxication. My problem with this is that when we go to the doctor and engage in a relationship in which we trust our doctors and what they prescribe, then how is that not involuntary intoxication? And if the FAA regards ssris as a serious impairment to operating a moving vehicle, then why are these folks allowed to drive cars, suv's, etc...if I take benadryl, then go driving and wreck, you better believe the cops will charge me the accident. So will the insurance co... Re: Psych drug crimes > In a message dated 10/22/04 4:45:48 PM Mountain Daylight Time, > SSRI medications writes: > > > > Has anyone on this list complied any data on the method of commiting > > suicides and homocides on particular psychiatrists drugs? > > > > Tim Casey, the husband of the owner of this list, once made such a > compilation. I wish I could remember how he decided which drugs induced a > person to > commit certain acts in certain ways. Maybe he'll see this post and pop in > here. > You could read Ann Blake 's book " Prozac: Panacea or Pandora " -- she > also lists grisly crimes and which drugs cause what. > > " Blind Reason " > a novel of pharmaceutical intrigue > Think your antidepressant is safe? Think again. It's > Unsafe At Any Dose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2004 Report Share Posted October 23, 2004 In Madison COunty Alabama they now have " Mental Health Court " where a District & Municipal Judges are sending offenders to the Mental Health Center. I don't know if this is an involuntary treatment or if the offender is given the option. I do know that only a Probate Judge has the right according to the law to commit an Alabamian involuntarily to out-patient psychiatric commitment. While we certainly don't want there to be any excuse for commiting crimes or that will be used to let dangerous people go free, we need to start writing legislators, governors, Lt. Gov.'s (pres. of State SEnates), etc. and start asking questions about how many criminals that they are having to pay to keep in jail committed their crimes were under the influence of psychiatrists' drugs. I don't know about your state but Georgia & Alabama are both under severe financial constraints in their budgets. The prisons are buldging. There's no where to put all the offenders. The mental health industries are booming. If you can get their attention that this problem of antidepressants may be contributing to their negative bottom line and is going to do nothing in the future but continue to create citizens that will be on disability not able to work demanding those expensive drugs while they are not able to pay taxes, this may be a more effective motivating approach that expecting them to believe that the drugs they think they are " helping " people by funding for " mental health " are actually causing so many of society's exploding problems. The N.Y.A.G. has sued one manufacturer for keeping the drugs on the market when they knew it was causing children to kill themselves. Most states has recieved money from the big settlements with the cigarette manufacturers for their lies for so many years that their cigarretts weren't hurting anyone .I forsee a day when more state governments will sue the manufacturers to be compensated for the costs to the governments to deal with their dysfuctional victims. This will happen sooner if there is political activism to educate the politicians. Now is a good time during the campaigning to go to these public events where they will be available to chat much easier than trying to communicate with them during the legislative session or at work. Dr. Lance, D.C. 800 309 6560 ---- Original Message ----- From: " Buggy " <heather_buggy@...> <SSRI medications > Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 7:44 PM Subject: Re: Psych drug crimes Actually, we all have kept up with ssri-crimes pretty closely. Of course, we only have access to what the media reports. Often, even if the reporter doesn't uncover it, or if it simply did not come out in the story, you can guess which bizarre acts might be linked to the perpetrator being on ssris. We all have posted so many of these stories, it would take a very long time to go through the archives and pull them all out. Let me point out that if you commit a crime while under the influence of alcohol, perfectly legal and does not require a prescription, that's just tough luck, you go to jail anyway. I know I've read that by some estimates, something like 90% of all crimes are committed under the influence of one drug or another. Voluntary intoxication. My problem with this is that when we go to the doctor and engage in a relationship in which we trust our doctors and what they prescribe, then how is that not involuntary intoxication? And if the FAA regards ssris as a serious impairment to operating a moving vehicle, then why are these folks allowed to drive cars, suv's, etc...if I take benadryl, then go driving and wreck, you better believe the cops will charge me the accident. So will the insurance co... Re: Psych drug crimes > In a message dated 10/22/04 4:45:48 PM Mountain Daylight Time, > SSRI medications writes: > > > > Has anyone on this list complied any data on the method of commiting > > suicides and homocides on particular psychiatrists drugs? > > > > Tim Casey, the husband of the owner of this list, once made such a > compilation. I wish I could remember how he decided which drugs induced a > person to > commit certain acts in certain ways. Maybe he'll see this post and pop in > here. > You could read Ann Blake 's book " Prozac: Panacea or Pandora " -- she > also lists grisly crimes and which drugs cause what. > > " Blind Reason " > a novel of pharmaceutical intrigue > Think your antidepressant is safe? Think again. It's > Unsafe At Any Dose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2004 Report Share Posted October 23, 2004 In Madison COunty Alabama they now have " Mental Health Court " where a District & Municipal Judges are sending offenders to the Mental Health Center. I don't know if this is an involuntary treatment or if the offender is given the option. I do know that only a Probate Judge has the right according to the law to commit an Alabamian involuntarily to out-patient psychiatric commitment. While we certainly don't want there to be any excuse for commiting crimes or that will be used to let dangerous people go free, we need to start writing legislators, governors, Lt. Gov.'s (pres. of State SEnates), etc. and start asking questions about how many criminals that they are having to pay to keep in jail committed their crimes were under the influence of psychiatrists' drugs. I don't know about your state but Georgia & Alabama are both under severe financial constraints in their budgets. The prisons are buldging. There's no where to put all the offenders. The mental health industries are booming. If you can get their attention that this problem of antidepressants may be contributing to their negative bottom line and is going to do nothing in the future but continue to create citizens that will be on disability not able to work demanding those expensive drugs while they are not able to pay taxes, this may be a more effective motivating approach that expecting them to believe that the drugs they think they are " helping " people by funding for " mental health " are actually causing so many of society's exploding problems. The N.Y.A.G. has sued one manufacturer for keeping the drugs on the market when they knew it was causing children to kill themselves. Most states has recieved money from the big settlements with the cigarette manufacturers for their lies for so many years that their cigarretts weren't hurting anyone .I forsee a day when more state governments will sue the manufacturers to be compensated for the costs to the governments to deal with their dysfuctional victims. This will happen sooner if there is political activism to educate the politicians. Now is a good time during the campaigning to go to these public events where they will be available to chat much easier than trying to communicate with them during the legislative session or at work. Dr. Lance, D.C. 800 309 6560 ---- Original Message ----- From: " Buggy " <heather_buggy@...> <SSRI medications > Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 7:44 PM Subject: Re: Psych drug crimes Actually, we all have kept up with ssri-crimes pretty closely. Of course, we only have access to what the media reports. Often, even if the reporter doesn't uncover it, or if it simply did not come out in the story, you can guess which bizarre acts might be linked to the perpetrator being on ssris. We all have posted so many of these stories, it would take a very long time to go through the archives and pull them all out. Let me point out that if you commit a crime while under the influence of alcohol, perfectly legal and does not require a prescription, that's just tough luck, you go to jail anyway. I know I've read that by some estimates, something like 90% of all crimes are committed under the influence of one drug or another. Voluntary intoxication. My problem with this is that when we go to the doctor and engage in a relationship in which we trust our doctors and what they prescribe, then how is that not involuntary intoxication? And if the FAA regards ssris as a serious impairment to operating a moving vehicle, then why are these folks allowed to drive cars, suv's, etc...if I take benadryl, then go driving and wreck, you better believe the cops will charge me the accident. So will the insurance co... Re: Psych drug crimes > In a message dated 10/22/04 4:45:48 PM Mountain Daylight Time, > SSRI medications writes: > > > > Has anyone on this list complied any data on the method of commiting > > suicides and homocides on particular psychiatrists drugs? > > > > Tim Casey, the husband of the owner of this list, once made such a > compilation. I wish I could remember how he decided which drugs induced a > person to > commit certain acts in certain ways. Maybe he'll see this post and pop in > here. > You could read Ann Blake 's book " Prozac: Panacea or Pandora " -- she > also lists grisly crimes and which drugs cause what. > > " Blind Reason " > a novel of pharmaceutical intrigue > Think your antidepressant is safe? Think again. It's > Unsafe At Any Dose > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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