Guest guest Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 Allyn, > Yes, but like most other levels of RDA, it is way too low. After reading > about iodine and taking it now for almost two years, most people in our > country are deficient. Dr. Brownstein who is a specialist in iodine along > with thyroid problems, says most people need to take 50 mg. a day. If he > gets a woman with breast cancer he immediately puts them on 100 mg. a day. Too much iodine interferes with thyroid function and can cause goiter. I haven't researched iodine to know enough about whether the RDA is adequate or whether 50 mg is toxic for some people long-term. However, it seems sort of besides the point -- if there is any food that you can get your iodine requirement from, it's seaweed. There aren't any other foods that have anywhere near as much iodine as seaweed. > I have done my own patch tests for several years now and when I first did > one the iodine was gone off my skin in 20 minutes. Now, after two years, it > takes 7to 10 hours. It should last 24 or more hours. So, I am still > deficient. It is also a good idea to do an iodine loading test. As s's recent post confirmed, the patch " test " is not accurate for a number of reasons. Chris -- The Truth About Cholesterol Find Out What Your Doctor Isn't Telling You: http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 > Not fluoride though. > > Allyn Thank you so much for the correction. I had remembered wrong...sorry about that. I guess it was too early when I was doing email this morning..)ct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 Actually people with thyroid problems are iodine deficient. That is why they iodize salt because with out enough iodine you get a goiter, not from too much iodine. Even people with Hashimoto's are recommended to take iodine. I have spent 2 years reading research and being on the iodine group with lots of research when it comes to iodine. Again, if you want to know more about iodine the best website is www.iodine4health.com <http://www.iodine4health.com/> or go to Dr. Bernstein's website or Dr. Flechas website. Dr. Flechas is the Dr. who invented Iodoral which is a tablet for iodine and iodide vs taking the liquid. Yes, there is controversy over the patch test that is why I said to get an iodine loading test. I will tell you though, that the women on the iodine group who have been doing the patch test for several years have found that the patch does stay longer the more their bodies retain the iodine. Unfortunately there is no one so far who has done any long term tests to see how efficient a test it is. If 50 mg. a day is toxic then there are a 1000's of women out there who are walking around healthy because of it. When I started taking my iodine it was the number one thing that made me better. I have low thyroid and adrenal exhaustion and after to taking 50 mg. a day it was the first time I had any energy in years. It helped with many other issues as well. I suggest anyone really wanting to know about iodine go to the website or the group and you will find out lots of info and how much it has helped people. Allyn _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Masterjohn Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 4:51 PM Subject: Re: Re: fluoride Allyn, > Yes, but like most other levels of RDA, it is way too low. After reading > about iodine and taking it now for almost two years, most people in our > country are deficient. Dr. Brownstein who is a specialist in iodine along > with thyroid problems, says most people need to take 50 mg. a day. If he > gets a woman with breast cancer he immediately puts them on 100 mg. a day. Too much iodine interferes with thyroid function and can cause goiter. I haven't researched iodine to know enough about whether the RDA is adequate or whether 50 mg is toxic for some people long-term. However, it seems sort of besides the point -- if there is any food that you can get your iodine requirement from, it's seaweed. There aren't any other foods that have anywhere near as much iodine as seaweed. > I have done my own patch tests for several years now and when I first did > one the iodine was gone off my skin in 20 minutes. Now, after two years, it > takes 7to 10 hours. It should last 24 or more hours. So, I am still > deficient. It is also a good idea to do an iodine loading test. As s's recent post confirmed, the patch " test " is not accurate for a number of reasons. Chris -- The Truth About Cholesterol Find Out What Your Doctor Isn't Telling You: http://www.choleste <http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com> rol-and-health.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 > If it's well absorbed, perhaps it could be used by sprinkling into > foods. I've never tried it so I have no idea how well it tastes with > other foods. They have kelp in sprinkle form...it comes out looking alot like black pepper, but tastes salty. You can sprinkle it on food..ct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 So, can fluoride be filtered out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 According to Dr. Bernstein and Dr. Flechas it can with iodine over a period of time. Both doctors are specialists in iodine and thyroid and they say the iodine will displace it. Allyn _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of CHRISTINE TAYLOR Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 5:34 PM Subject: Re: Re: fluoride So, can fluoride be filtered out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 Allyn, > Actually people with thyroid problems are iodine deficient. This is one reason that people can have thyroid problems but certainly not the only reason. >That is why they > iodize salt because with out enough iodine you get a goiter, not from too > much iodine. You get goiter from too much or too little iodine. Populations that eat high amounts of seaweed sometimes get goiter from iodine overdose. I don't have time at the moment but I'll try to dig up a reference for this tomorrow. > Even people with Hashimoto's are recommended to take iodine. I > have spent 2 years reading research and being on the iodine group with lots > of research when it comes to iodine. Again, if you want to know more about > iodine the best website is www.iodine4health.com > <http://www.iodine4health.com/> or go to Dr. Bernstein's website or Dr. > Flechas website. Dr. Flechas is the Dr. who invented Iodoral which is a > tablet for iodine and iodide vs taking the liquid. I don't doubt these are good sources of information, however if you are not aware that too much iodine can damage the thyroid you migth want to broaden the scope of information beyond these few sites. > If 50 mg. a day is toxic then there are a 1000's of women out there who are > walking around healthy because of it. I actually think that toxicity can result from far less than this. The fact that some people use it with impunity doesn't mean that it won't be toxic to others, or to the people who benefit from it initially after time. > When I started taking my iodine it > was the number one thing that made me better. I have low thyroid and > adrenal exhaustion and after to taking 50 mg. a day it was the first time I > had any energy in years. It helped with many other issues as well. I don't doubt it. That doesn't mean 50 mg is safe for everyone, nor that it is safe for you over the long term, nor that the human requirement for iodine is anywhere near 50 mg/day. Chris -- The Truth About Cholesterol Find Out What Your Doctor Isn't Telling You: http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 I agree with Allyn, I've heard several times now that doses in the 10 - 50 mg are safe and theraputic, under the care of a good nutritionist, and for a period of time to detox out bromine and fluoride. My dose was only 2X the RDA and it made a significant difference in the way I felt and also got rid of a lot of excess estrogen problems. Jerry Brunetti took high doses of iodine for I think a year to get out bromine which is a carcinogen, when he was fighting his cancer. He had periodic tests to see if his body had started excreting the iodine yet, and when it did he went down to a lower dose. He said the first year or so he was excreting lots of fluoride and bromine, after awhile it changed over to excreting iodine. I wish more people with ateriosclerosis would try this because as Dr. Waldbott found, the arteries in the heart seemed to have the highest concentrations of iodine in their whole bodies (cadavers, he was checking amounts in different organs). Now some are saying iodine has a role in preventing/curing ateriosclerosis, probably the fluoride was displacing iodine or interfering with its absorption in whatever reaction it was supposed to be taking a part in. > > When I started taking my iodine it > > was the number one thing that made me better. I have low thyroid and > > adrenal exhaustion and after to taking 50 mg. a day it was the first time I > > had any energy in years. It helped with many other issues as well. > > I don't doubt it. That doesn't mean 50 mg is safe for everyone, nor > that it is safe for you over the long term, nor that the human > requirement for iodine is anywhere near 50 mg/day. > > Chris > -- > The Truth About Cholesterol > Find Out What Your Doctor Isn't Telling You: > http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 On 3/7/07, haecklers <haecklers@...> wrote: > I've heard several times now that doses in the 10 - 50 mg are safe > and theraputic, under the care of a good nutritionist, and for a > period of time to detox out bromine and fluoride. Well yeah, under the care of a good nutritionist and for a period of time are two stipulations that dramatically alter the statement " 10-50 mg are safe, " and aren't in agreement with the suggestion that 50 mg is a requirement. > My dose was only 2X the RDA and it made a significant difference in > the way I felt and also got rid of a lot of excess estrogen problems. And to get two times the RDA all you need is two teaspoons of kelp rather than one. Chris -- The Truth About Cholesterol Find Out What Your Doctor Isn't Telling You: http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 Can fluoride be filtered out of water? They don't add fluoride to our water, but there is some in there naturally. Is the natural kind different from what they would add? Should I just take extra iodine to combate this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 I have not seen a filter so far that can. I have an ionizer that converts it to organic fluoride that is not suppose to be so bad, but I am not sure I really believe it. Allyn _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of CHRISTINE TAYLOR Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 5:34 PM Subject: Re: Re: fluoride So, can fluoride be filtered out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 I'll have to look it up but I think the idea that too much iodine causes goiter has been disproven. I think that goes back to an old study that compared seacoast Japanese with inland japanese and found much more goiter at the coast. The assumption was made that all the extra iodine in their diet caused the goiter. When they went back 10 or 20 years later, they found no difference in incidence of goiter even though the diets remained essentially the same. So they figure that the earlier increased incidence of goiter must have had another cause. However this is from memory. When I havet he chance I will look it up. Irene At 03:16 PM 3/7/07, you wrote: >Allyn, > > > Actually people with thyroid problems are iodine deficient. > >This is one reason that people can have thyroid problems but certainly >not the only reason. > > >That is why they > > iodize salt because with out enough iodine you get a goiter, not from too > > much iodine. > >You get goiter from too much or too little iodine. Populations that >eat high amounts of seaweed sometimes get goiter from iodine overdose. >I don't have time at the moment but I'll try to dig up a reference >for this tomorrow. > > > Even people with Hashimoto's are recommended to take iodine. I > > have spent 2 years reading research and being on the iodine group with lots > > of research when it comes to iodine. Again, if you want to know more about > > iodine the best website is www.iodine4health.com > > <<http://www.iodine4health.com/>http://www.iodine4health.com/> or go to > Dr. Bernstein's website or Dr. > > Flechas website. Dr. Flechas is the Dr. who invented Iodoral which is a > > tablet for iodine and iodide vs taking the liquid. > >I don't doubt these are good sources of information, however if you >are not aware that too much iodine can damage the thyroid you migth >want to broaden the scope of information beyond these few sites. > > > If 50 mg. a day is toxic then there are a 1000's of women out there who are > > walking around healthy because of it. > >I actually think that toxicity can result from far less than this. >The fact that some people use it with impunity doesn't mean that it >won't be toxic to others, or to the people who benefit from it >initially after time. > > > When I started taking my iodine it > > was the number one thing that made me better. I have low thyroid and > > adrenal exhaustion and after to taking 50 mg. a day it was the first time I > > had any energy in years. It helped with many other issues as well. > >I don't doubt it. That doesn't mean 50 mg is safe for everyone, nor >that it is safe for you over the long term, nor that the human >requirement for iodine is anywhere near 50 mg/day. > >Chris >-- >The Truth About Cholesterol >Find Out What Your Doctor Isn't Telling You: ><http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com>http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2007 Report Share Posted March 8, 2007 I have been looking everywhere for kelp flakes! Where can I find them? TIA > > It takes one teaspoon of the kelp flakes to meet the RDA for iodine. > Much less than any other food. > > Chris > -- > The Truth About Cholesterol > Find Out What Your Doctor Isn't Telling You: > http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 Googled " kelp flakes " and got this............. http://www.shopnatural.com/html/11682.htm <http://www.shopnatural.com/html/11682.htm> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2007 Report Share Posted March 9, 2007 According to Abraham and Flechas, the Japanese average close to 14mg a day from seaweed consumption, with groups living on the coast having a higher consumption. They attribute low rates of breast cancer and fibrocystic breast disease to these higher levels of iodine. I have no idea how prestigious a publication The Original Internist is, but they appear to have a number of papers on the subject published there: http://www.optimox.com/pics/Iodine/opt_Research_I.shtml Enjoy! Colin > > > I've heard several times now that doses in the 10 - 50 mg are safe > > and theraputic, under the care of a good nutritionist, and for a > > period of time to detox out bromine and fluoride. > > Well yeah, under the care of a good nutritionist and for a period of > time are two stipulations that dramatically alter the statement " 10-50 > mg are safe, " and aren't in agreement with the suggestion that 50 mg > is a requirement. > > > My dose was only 2X the RDA and it made a significant difference in > > the way I felt and also got rid of a lot of excess estrogen problems. > > And to get two times the RDA all you need is two teaspoons of kelp > rather than one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2007 Report Share Posted March 10, 2007 > I'll have to look it up but I think the idea that too much iodine causes > goiter has been disproven. One thing that too much iodine can do is cause adrenal problems as it has in people I know, it also can displace mercury in the system causing too rapid a detoxification effect which can make people sick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2007 Report Share Posted March 10, 2007 What kind of adrenal problems? Irene At 01:46 PM 3/10/07, you wrote: > > I'll have to look it up but I think the idea that too much iodine >causes > > goiter has been disproven. > >One thing that too much iodine can do is cause adrenal problems as it >has in people I know, it also can displace mercury in the system >causing too rapid a detoxification effect which can make people sick. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2007 Report Share Posted March 10, 2007 It wears them out. I don't know the mechanism of how it works but I know two people who used too much iodine and felt worn out and it happened to me on a much smaller scale. I felt bad for a few days. > > > > I'll have to look it up but I think the idea that too much iodine > >causes > > > goiter has been disproven. > > > >One thing that too much iodine can do is cause adrenal problems as it > >has in people I know, it also can displace mercury in the system > >causing too rapid a detoxification effect which can make people sick. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2007 Report Share Posted March 10, 2007 That could be adrenal but not necessarily. Iodone in high enough doses can cause detoxing, particularly of bromine. That can make you feel pretty crummy. Irene At 03:48 PM 3/10/07, you wrote: >It wears them out. I don't know the mechanism of how it works but I >know two people who used too much iodine and felt worn out and it >happened to me on a much smaller scale. I felt bad for a few days. > > > > > > > I'll have to look it up but I think the idea that too much >iodine > > >causes > > > > goiter has been disproven. > > > > > >One thing that too much iodine can do is cause adrenal problems as >it > > >has in people I know, it also can displace mercury in the system > > >causing too rapid a detoxification effect which can make people >sick. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2007 Report Share Posted March 10, 2007 On 3/10/07, crayfishfeed <crayfishfeed@...> wrote: > It wears them out. I don't know the mechanism of how it works but I > know two people who used too much iodine and felt worn out and it > happened to me on a much smaller scale. I felt bad for a few days. This could be because too much iodine is toxic to the thyroid. I'm not saying it isn't toxic to the adrenals but the thyroid has a very high iodine consumption as well as an enzyme that produces oxidative stress to process the iodine, so it's more clear how it would damage the thyroid than how it would damage the adrenals, and thyroid damage could make one feel worn down. Chris -- The Truth About Cholesterol Find Out What Your Doctor Isn't Telling You: http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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