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My children are so sensitive to it! I give them only vitamin c and magnesium at the moment. I use the liquid lugols. I think it is die off from virus or fungus or parasites or all three. I know they all have problems there. I did live cell microbiology and was told they have fungal and parasite issues. my eldest is on the autism spectrum.Sent from my iPadOn 2011-05-31, at 8:45 PM, ladybugsandbees <ladybugsandbees@...> wrote:

When daughter was 4 & son was 7 we started them on 6.25 mgs of Iodoral. When my son got to 8 he went up to 12.5 mgs. My daughter moved to 12.5 mgs at 8 as well. When my son reached 9 we found out he was toxic in bromide (through iodine loading test with bromide levels) so we upped him to 25 mgs and he has been there since (now 11 1/2 yrs old). My 9 yr old daughter is still on 12.5 mgs.

No I have not seen what you describe. What else are you giving them? Less than one drop really should not have any effect on them.

Buist, ND

(unknown)

When I give my children lugols their skin ( their faces) become very white, almost translucent in a way. has anyone experienced this? I don't give very much 5%. Less than one drop. they are ages 5,7,9.thanks,KimSent from my iPad

[Guest guest]



Don't forget the selenium. My children take 100 mcg 3x per week. It helps with glutathione production for detoxing.

Buist, ND

(unknown)

When I give my children lugols their skin ( their faces) become very white, almost translucent in a way. has anyone experienced this? I don't give very much 5%. Less than one drop. they are ages 5,7,9.thanks,KimSent from my iPad

[Guest guest]

Hi Kim

It was hard work to get it going, but I found that until I got salt into my

little fellow (7) iodine did not sit well with him. He gets 12.5 mg/day.

Jaye

>

> > When daughter was 4 & son was 7 we started them on 6.25 mgs of Iodoral.

When my son got to 8 he went up to 12.5 mgs. My daughter moved to 12.5 mgs at 8

as well. When my son reached 9 we found out he was toxic in bromide (through

iodine loading test with bromide levels) so we upped him to 25 mgs and he has

been there since (now 11 1/2 yrs old). My 9 yr old daughter is still on 12.5

mgs.

> >

> > No I have not seen what you describe. What else are you giving them? Less

than one drop really should not have any effect on them.

> >

> > Buist, ND

> >

> > (unknown)

> >

> >

> > When I give my children lugols their skin ( their faces) become very white,

almost translucent in a way. has anyone experienced this? I don't give very much

5%. Less than one drop. they are ages 5,7,9.

> >

> > thanks,

> > Kim

> >

> > Sent from my iPad

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Jaye,Thank you for your reply. Do you give the salt in water? I have been putting salt on their food but I will try harder to get more into them.KimSent from my iPadOn 2011-06-01, at 8:41 AM, jprocure@... wrote:

Hi Kim

It was hard work to get it going, but I found that until I got salt into my little fellow (7) iodine did not sit well with him. He gets 12.5 mg/day.

Jaye

>

> > When daughter was 4 & son was 7 we started them on 6.25 mgs of Iodoral. When my son got to 8 he went up to 12.5 mgs. My daughter moved to 12.5 mgs at 8 as well. When my son reached 9 we found out he was toxic in bromide (through iodine loading test with bromide levels) so we upped him to 25 mgs and he has been there since (now 11 1/2 yrs old). My 9 yr old daughter is still on 12.5 mgs.

> >

> > No I have not seen what you describe. What else are you giving them? Less than one drop really should not have any effect on them.

> >

> > Buist, ND

> >

> > (unknown)

> >

> >

> > When I give my children lugols their skin ( their faces) become very white, almost translucent in a way. has anyone experienced this? I don't give very much 5%. Less than one drop. they are ages 5,7,9.

> >

> > thanks,

> > Kim

> >

> > Sent from my iPad

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I tried water but ultimately ended up giving it on unsalted peanut butter. Not

at all the best way, but it's getting it into him!

I also sprinkle a lot on his food.

Jaye

> > >

> > > > When daughter was 4 & son was 7 we started them on 6.25 mgs of Iodoral.

When my son got to 8 he went up to 12.5 mgs. My daughter moved to 12.5 mgs at 8

as well. When my son reached 9 we found out he was toxic in bromide (through

iodine loading test with bromide levels) so we upped him to 25 mgs and he has

been there since (now 11 1/2 yrs old). My 9 yr old daughter is still on 12.5

mgs.

> > > >

> > > > No I have not seen what you describe. What else are you giving them?

Less than one drop really should not have any effect on them.

> > > >

> > > > Buist, ND

> > > >

> > > > (unknown)

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > When I give my children lugols their skin ( their faces) become very

white, almost translucent in a way. has anyone experienced this? I don't give

very much 5%. Less than one drop. they are ages 5,7,9.

> > > >

> > > > thanks,

> > > > Kim

> > > >

> > > > Sent from my iPad

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

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>

[Guest guest]

We can but try these things. That's why this group is so good for us all

Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device

(unknown)

i wonder if the galvascon would help with foamy spit. bubbly foamy saliva.

sometimes it gets real bad and i wake up all night. i am getting some and going

to try it. it is a kind of surfactant i think so it  may help with that. i will

let yall know if it does.

     

                  When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance becomes Duty....

Jefferson                                             

[Guest guest]

My doctor told me that Gavascon would remain at the top of the stomach/esophagus

and help keep the reflux or foamy stuff down.  It does work.

Sharon

From: Kim <kimellenbailey@...>

Subject: (unknown)

achalasia

Date: Sunday, June 5, 2011, 6:11 PM

 

i wonder if the galvascon would help with foamy spit. bubbly foamy saliva.

sometimes it gets real bad and i wake up all night. i am getting some and going

to try it. it is a kind of surfactant i think so it  may help with that. i will

let yall know if it does.

     

                  When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance becomes

Duty.... Jefferson                                    

        

[Guest guest]

It works for some but not for others I use gavicon and oprazole as well

Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device

(unknown)

achalasia

Date: Sunday, June 5, 2011, 6:11 PM

 

i wonder if the galvascon would help with foamy spit. bubbly foamy saliva.

sometimes it gets real bad and i wake up all night. i am getting some and going

to try it. it is a kind of surfactant i think so it  may help with that. i will

let yall know if it does.

     

                  When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance becomes

Duty.... Jefferson                                    

        

[Guest guest]

Wow. I am sorry to hear this. I think you did the right thing stopping the statins. Sadly your story is rather common. Welcome to the group. I would like to invite you to share your story ( exactly as you did here) on the Webmd cholesterol discussion boards. Here is the link:http://exchanges.webmd.com/cholesterol-management-exchangeBobby Alternate email: marooned@...Bobby- Your Caribbean Travel Plannerwww.pinkystravel.com International Destinations, Resorts, Vacation PackagesPhilippine Destination SpecialistFrom: Ralph <joebrown1@...>Lipitor Sent: Sun, June 12, 2011 2:43:57 PMSubject: (unknown)

Hello folks,

I am a new member of your group and I wanted to say hello.

I have been a statin user/patient since 2004. Original I started on a 20mg dose of Lovastatin back in 2004. In 2006 that prescripton was changed to an 80mg dose of Zocor. In early 2008 I started complaining to my PCP about the muscle pain & fatigue in my legs and arms. His advice, "get more exercise!" Since I was 3 I could climb stairs, now I could not.

A bit of history, I have been a very, very long term peripheral neuropathy sufferer. I have done all VA PN drugs. I am now on 200mg Lyrica/day. My statin symptoms are not from the PN. After the FDA report of June 9, I am done with Statins! That is it, enough damage, I am done.

[Guest guest]

Can anyone help with recommendations regarding bariatric patients with chronic kidney disease? Do you give the same protein recommendations? If you know of any place where I can read good information and recommendations regarding bariatric surgery and chronic kidney disease that would be helpful too. Thanks in advance!

Anuli Umeojiako

Registered Dietitian

Riverside Medical Clinic

phone: 951-782-6235

..

[Guest guest]

There is a reasonable starting point in the May 2011 bariatric times issue..the link is below but if it doesn't work go to their website and look up May issue.

http://bariatrictimes.com/2011/05/17/surgical-weight-loss-considerations-and-nutritional-implications-for-patients-with-renal-disease

Laschkewitsch RD LDDietitianGood Samaritan Weight Management InstitutePortland, OR(503) 413-8135

-----Original Message-----From: [mailto: ]On Behalf Of Anuli UmeojiakoSent: Monday, June 13, 2011 11:25 AM ; DFWBandsters Subject: Re: (unknown)

Can anyone help with recommendations regarding bariatric patients with chronic kidney disease? Do you give the same protein recommendations? If you know of any place where I can read good information and recommendations regarding bariatric surgery and chronic kidney disease that would be helpful too. Thanks in advance!

Anuli Umeojiako

Registered Dietitian

Riverside Medical Clinic

phone: 951-782-6235

..

[Guest guest]

Thank you very much!! ( Laschkwitsch and Mahoney).

Anuli Umeojiako

Registered Dieititian

Riverside Medical Clinic

phone: 951-782-6235

From: "Laschkwitsch, :LPH Weight Management Institute" <KLaschke@...> Sent: Mon, June 13, 2011 1:06:07 PMSubject: RE: (unknown)

There is a reasonable starting point in the May 2011 bariatric times issue..the link is below but if it doesn't work go to their website and look up May issue.

http://bariatrictimes.com/2011/05/17/surgical-weight-loss-considerations-and-nutritional-implications-for-patients-with-renal-disease

Laschkewitsch RD LDDietitianGood Samaritan Weight Management InstitutePortland, OR(503) 413-8135

-----Original Message-----From: [mailto: ]On Behalf Of Anuli UmeojiakoSent: Monday, June 13, 2011 11:25 AM ; DFWBandsters Subject: Re: (unknown)

Can anyone help with recommendations regarding bariatric patients with chronic kidney disease? Do you give the same protein recommendations? If you know of any place where I can read good information and recommendations regarding bariatric surgery and chronic kidney disease that would be helpful too. Thanks in advance!

Anuli Umeojiako

Registered Dietitian

Riverside Medical Clinic

phone: 951-782-6235

..

[Guest guest]

I’ve seen a couple of bariatric patients that are on dialysis.

I would definitely recommend you talk with their renal RD as many times there

are calcium and fluid restrictions. I have used the protein requirement that

is recommended by the renal RD which is typically higher than what we normally

recommend.

Judy Steiner, RD, LD

Registered Dietitian Bariatrics

Member ASMBS and ADA

St. Luke's Boise Medical Center

208-381-7281

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Anuli

Umeojiako

Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:25 PM

;

DFWBandsters

Subject: Re: (unknown)

Can anyone help with recommendations regarding

bariatric patients with chronic kidney disease? Do you give the same

protein recommendations? If you know of any place where I can read good

information and recommendations regarding bariatric surgery and chronic kidney

disease that would be helpful too. Thanks in advance!

Anuli Umeojiako

Registered Dietitian

Riverside Medical Clinic

phone: 951-782-6235

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Hi Jackie,

I love Premier Protein Drinks. I get mine at Costco. It was almost 3 years ago that I had the sleeve and I still drink a protein drink every morning for breakfast. I know that other people will tell you about what they use--it is always know to get everyone's favorites to consider. For me I like the fact that I didn't have to order anything. I could just drive to Costco and get my protein drink.

I hated Isopure--I call it Isopuke, but a few people have said they think it is OK. You will have to just try some to find out. Bipley said yesterday that if you buy anything product at GNC and return within 2 weeks and have your receipt, they will give you a full refund. So you could try some protein drinks--I suggest you buy the smallest amount to "just try". She said after you have tried some them you can find a place that you might be able to get them cheaper--I guess GNC is pretty spendy.

I know that some ON Line places with send you small trial packets of their protein too.

Now what did I eat. Well, the first 30 days are the hardest you will ever have to do. You do 10 days of nothing but clear liquids for the 1st 10 days, then the next 10 days I did creamy liquids--that was much better, then the last 10 days you do mushy foods. This gives your stomach a chance to heal after the surgery. You new stomach will only hold 6 to 8 oz once the swelling goes down. For a few months after the surgery, just remember that it will only hold about as much as the size of your thumb--so that is why you really eat small amounts of food. You will NEVER eat all the food that you are eating right now and that is great--that is how we got fat and stayed fat!

After that you can start back with regular food. You want to always get at least 70 grams of protein in each day, no more than 20 grams of carbs. I eat mostly chicken and fish and turkey. I loved red meat before I had the sleeve surgery, and now I really don't eat that much of it. It take a long time to chew. You really have to use the sleeve as a tool. You have to put time and effort into eating healthy. You are NO longer on a diet, but you need to learn how to make a lifestyle change. I kept my calories at about 800 per day when I was losing weight. I always felt full and satisfied and NEVER felt deprived. Yes, now and then I did have a very small amount of something sweet to eat, but not all the time. Instead a entire piece of cake, I would have a sliver of cake and I was satisfied.

Keep asking questions, that is what we are here for.

Hugs,

Suzanne

Sleeved 10/21/2008

Lost a total of 105 pounds

In a message dated 06/21/11 06:42:52 Pacific Daylight Time, jackielopez78@... writes:

I am thinking about getting the surgery and wonder what type of shakes are recommended..I also was wondering what is the food we are to eat once we get home.

[Guest guest]

xerostomia...gicparkinsons...rmgicOn Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 10:50 PM, Swati Sheokand <swati.sheokand@...> wrote:

 

hi guys...please ans the questionbest restorative material for xerostomics GIC or RMGIC

for parkinson patient GIC or RMGIC

[Guest guest]

Great! We'll take 'em. :-)

Beth Byrne

http://www.SoapAndGarden.com

Garden goodness in every bar!

www/SoapandGarden.blogspot.com

Like Soap and Garden on Facebook & Twitter!

On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 7:54 AM, R <mrivera1972@...> wrote:

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>

>

> I would like to donate soaps to the local homeless shelter. I have plenty I

> can bring with me.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

 

I suppose everyones experience is slightly different.  I can only offer what I

actually went through during my 22yrs with it before I finally was ready to have

surgery.  I hear of many cases where the achalasia gets so BAD so quickly that

nothing goes down.  My experience was that I could work with it on some days. 

I could not swallow like normal, but I guess I learned to deal with it.  Then

in time, it just got worse and worse, eventually the regurg and foam thing was

at EVERY meal.  You may be at that point now.  I would eat things like

scrambled eggs and toast.  That alone was a struggle to get down.  Some days,

it was grazing...a few bites every hour just to get some nourshment.  I ate

lots of peanut butter.  You do what you have to do to survive this.  I also

had doctors trying to stretch my E, which would last only a short time and I was

back to struggling again.  I found NOTHING that really worked for me. I made my

own soups with

meat and veggies and pasta, anything that would kind of slip down and help me

to feel some energy.  I took liquid supplements for years. 

 

I found this group in 2004, many reached out to me.  I was so happy to finally

meet others who could relate to this awful problem.  I started to research, but

I was still mentally not sure about surgery, I was very afraid of it and did not

want to get worse with surgery blotched.  I began to realize that the SURGEON

made the biggest difference most of the time, one that KNOWS achalasia and how

to do a proper Heller Myotomy.  I went forward and  had the tests, the

manometry was the deciding factor, which showed my condition loud and clear.  I

found a surgeon and had a consult and soon was in surgery.  This all happened

last year, almost a year ago.  Now, I am eating and feeling great, no longer

feeling so much anxiety about eating a meal.  I am NEAR NORMAL again.  Why did

I wait so long and suffer so much!

 

That is the path I took.  I asked my surgeon what were the odds that she could

help me???  I wanted to know, based on my tests and age, what are the odds??? 

She said 100%!!!  She said I can fix you and she did.  Not everyone will have

a perfect experience, but MANY do, they don't stick around these boards and talk

with people, they go on with their lives.  According to my surgeon, the actual

surgery is " simple " in the hands of an expert.  It's really no big deal,

somehow we seem to fear it so much. 

 

You need to hear that from others, many of us are doing great, we are happy and

no longer suffering.  You need to research for yourself and ask questions from

this group, this is the BEST source in the world for info on achalasia. 

 

Wishing you the very best, Julee So. Calif.

 

 

 

 

 

 

From: <rauchmom@...>

achalasia

Sent: Sunday, July 3, 2011 7:02 PM

Subject: (unknown)

 

first, I want to thank everyone who has been answering my questions and

helping me. I've gotten more help in the last month, from being on this

group, then I have the last three years of dealing with this.

I have a few other questions. First, what can I eat when I'm so hungry

and NOTHING will go down!! There are some days nothing will go down.

I've been trying different suggestions but so far I haven't found the

right thing. I've been trying to make smoothies with protein and

vitamins but they just don't seem to want to go down.

I went and had a endoscopy done and the dr stretched my throat while

there. I had a whole week of eating before the pain and choking started

back. Has anyone tried the natural course with this? Is there anything

naturally that will work? I'm wondering what to do because to me it

seems I might be trading in one set of problems for another. since I

know what I'm dealing with now, would it be easier to try and deal with

these problems? I would really like to know what you think.

thank you,

[Guest guest]

There's a LOT of info on coconut oils benefits in the archives here, as well

as being discussed almost daily.

On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 7:34 PM, Pawar <tishm5@...> wrote:

> **

>

>

> your not alone ,I'm tired reading a this moon hoax and radiation shit.I

> thought forum was exclusively for the benefits of coconut oil,so when are we

> going to start a thread regarding the benefits!!!

>

> " LIFE ISN'T TIED WITH A BOW, BUT IT'S STILL A GIFT. "

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear , I have had it for about 6 years and on those days when nothing

goes down, I try anything liquid from ice chips, popcicles, and just broth. 

Sometimes not even my spit goes down, and it's very depressing, but I just keep

trying.  My best bet is ice chips because then it numbs it so much that I'll

get a little sometime down.  I also try boost, just a few sips at a time. 

Good luck, and yes, sometimes nothing at all works, and I pray for a better day

tomorrow   I see a surgeon on July 12th in Wichita, Kansas for my time

ever!  I've had botox twice and that worked for a bit, but it's really frowned

upon as it can cause scaring and require more surgery.  Good Luck and I sure do

feel for you!

Jen

________________________________

From: <rauchmom@...>

achalasia

Sent: Sunday, July 3, 2011 9:02 PM

Subject: (unknown)

 

first, I want to thank everyone who has been answering my questions and

helping me. I've gotten more help in the last month, from being on this

group, then I have the last three years of dealing with this.

I have a few other questions. First, what can I eat when I'm so hungry

and NOTHING will go down!! There are some days nothing will go down.

I've been trying different suggestions but so far I haven't found the

right thing. I've been trying to make smoothies with protein and

vitamins but they just don't seem to want to go down.

I went and had a endoscopy done and the dr stretched my throat while

there. I had a whole week of eating before the pain and choking started

back. Has anyone tried the natural course with this? Is there anything

naturally that will work? I'm wondering what to do because to me it

seems I might be trading in one set of problems for another. since I

know what I'm dealing with now, would it be easier to try and deal with

these problems? I would really like to know what you think.

thank you,

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I have have only had serious achalasia symptoms for 6 weeks, but some swallowing

pain and random regurgitation for 6 months, and intermittent " food stuck "

feelings for 2 years. I am having my surgery tomorrow at 7 am and cannot wait.

I had a couple weeks of experimenting with various liquids fr smoothie

consistency to just pure juice. Today, lemonad and chocolate soy milk are the

two things that are working. Yesterday it was rice milk with a scoop of egg

white protein powder. I have masking weird flavored veggie powder with high

quality cocoa powder. I think I am wired on chocolate at this moment but at

least I am neither starving nor dehydrated. I am allergic to dairy so ensure and

the other common liquid diets are not an option for me. The odwalla super

protein power made if almonds soy and oat milk is a frequent good bet. Chicken

broth just makes me more hungry. 3 weeks ago potato chips chewed well with

ginger ale were ok. Them all solids sopped going down.

For me, I tried several alternative therapies including a chiropractor who did

he same treatment she uses for a hilatial Hernia, then a reiki energy healing

session. I had planned to try acupuncture and qui gong, and I still might post

surgery. Yoga calms me down so I cam be more patient about the situation, but

doesn't make it so I can eat solids. I found when I experimented with pudding or

thicker smoothies, I would get so clogged that nothing would go down. If I felt

like I had more time to play this out, I would try more hhi gs to raise my

adrenal and immune systems and hope my own body would heal itself.

But, I am losing about a pound every 2 days, I ended up in the ER this week

because I was dehydrated. So I am not waiting any longer. Plus Sehn I watched my

esophagram and how slowly things went down, I was convinced it is not something

I can control through meditation and relaxation-- at least not any time soon.

Maybe In some ways I am lucky that mine has been fast and

furious. It has gone from moderate to almost clear liquids only in 4 weeks. It

has made it easier to make a decision. I have received great advice from people

here on this list as well as a patient who used to be on this list that spent an

hour on the phone with me haring his experience with the surgeon I picked. It

really raised my confidence that the surgery could be a solution that will last

another 40 years.

I will let you know in a couple days how it went--but I am feeling confident and

ready to go right now.

On Jul 4, 2011, at 5:41 AM, Crouch <jencrouch@...> wrote:

> Dear , I have had it for about 6 years and on those days when nothing

goes down, I try anything liquid from ice chips, popcicles, and just broth.

Sometimes not even my spit goes down, and it's very depressing, but I just keep

trying. My best bet is ice chips because then it numbs it so much that I'll get

a little sometime down. I also try boost, just a few sips at a time. Good

luck, and yes, sometimes nothing at all works, and I pray for a better day

tomorrow I see a surgeon on July 12th in Wichita, Kansas for my time ever!

I've had botox twice and that worked for a bit, but it's really frowned upon as

it can cause scaring and require more surgery. Good Luck and I sure do feel for

you!

>

> Jen

>

> ________________________________

> From: <rauchmom@...>

> achalasia

> Sent: Sunday, July 3, 2011 9:02 PM

> Subject: (unknown)

>

>

> first, I want to thank everyone who has been answering my questions and

> helping me. I've gotten more help in the last month, from being on this

> group, then I have the last three years of dealing with this.

> I have a few other questions. First, what can I eat when I'm so hungry

> and NOTHING will go down!! There are some days nothing will go down.

> I've been trying different suggestions but so far I haven't found the

> right thing. I've been trying to make smoothies with protein and

> vitamins but they just don't seem to want to go down.

> I went and had a endoscopy done and the dr stretched my throat while

> there. I had a whole week of eating before the pain and choking started

> back. Has anyone tried the natural course with this? Is there anything

> naturally that will work? I'm wondering what to do because to me it

> seems I might be trading in one set of problems for another. since I

> know what I'm dealing with now, would it be easier to try and deal with

> these problems? I would really like to know what you think.

> thank you,

>

>

[Guest guest]

Have to say others don;t know about color change! Mine changed from brown to green in mid life and they say thats not possible or i have been wrong about the color of my eyes since birth and for more than 40 yrs. Not possible. Only one eye changed color. the other is still brown. My family even noticed the change, they thought it was weird. but cool. So who is to say what can happen. I have no answer as to how or why this happened. But it did.

SLG

(unknown)

My right eye is a rich hazel with very brownish-gold flecks, and the

coloring leaves a distinguishable "sun-flower" design in it along with

a gray outer ring. My left eye is a multitude of four to five colors

depending on my mood, the lighting, or day in less than a second in a

range of four different patterns with three very brownish-gold flecks

in the bottom of the color ring on the left. I have been told I have the rarest form, other have said that the color changing is not possible.....they haven't conferred with anyone who actually knows me. ask my kids and they will tell you to check the color of the outer rim of my eyes to see if I'm upset, in a good mood, or not feeling well....all 3 moods/feelings have a distinctive color to the outer rings of both eyes....blue if I'm pissed....grey if I don't feel well and a greenish/hazel if I'm ok and happy/content, and it has never depended on what color clothing I'm wearing.

[Guest guest]

wrote:

>

> ... First, what can I eat when I'm so hungry and NOTHING will go

> down!! ...

>

Some people find oily food helps. So, if none of the suggestion have

helped try a little oil first. Just a spoonful. Give it some time then

try the other suggested foods. If you can do a little carbonated drink

then follow with a little of that. If nothing else the oil will provide

calories.

Don't do the oil if you think you will aspirate it.

notan

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I did not click on the below link, but by the looks of the random people it was sent to, it appears to be a virus. DO NOT CLICK ON THE LINK BELOW OR ON THE ORIGINAL MESSAGE!!!!!!!!!

laberg61@...; tech324@...; Vaccinations ; melisaralston@...; acrofreek@...; teelee50@...; melisa@...; shelbysuz@...; jbjarboe@...From: iamamber78@...Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2011 04:57:13 -0700Subject: (unknown)

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Dear Cheryl,

My son had allergies and they were completely cured via kefir and raw goat milk.

I do not mean kefir made from raw goat milk, which is a good way to do it. I

mean kefir and separately raw goat milk.

Kefir can stay in the refrigerator, but just not for days on end. If the kefir

is getting ahead of your tummy, then you can slow the process down by putting it

in the refrigerator say over night. I prefer doing that than having to wait for

the kefir to be done because I did not have enough grains in the jars. It is

easy to slow down the process; it is difficult if not impossible to speed up the

process.

You can tell that the kefir is done when it starts to separate. You can also

tell that it is done when it plops in the jar when you turn the jar sideways. I

like mine just before separation, so I use the plop method. Some people like it

when it separates. You will need to try both to determine what you like.

and Katrina Bird's Incredibly Lucky Daddy

From: channabrennon@...

Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2011 19:21:44 +0000

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Hi everyone,

i am new to the world of kefir.i just oredered my grains and am nervous about

getting started.

my son has lot of gut issues lot of allergies..i am hoping so much this kefir

will help him.

just to get this straight..i put grains in milk and leave for eight to twelve

hours on counter?

i dont have airconditioner so my house can get qiute humid in these hot days of

summer.

also from reading the posts we never put kefir grains in fride? only in room

temp milk on the counter?

and we know kefir is done when it gets thick on top?

then we store in fridge after right?

sorry i am so uninformed thanks for any help.

channa

ps. we can also eat kefir grains straight?

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roger , thank you so much for answering my post..and for the much needed hope

about kefir curing allergies.

i have another question...can you tell me what you mean by it plops in jar when

turned sideways? do you mean it is more formed together at the top?

channa

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milk. I do not mean kefir made from raw goat milk, which is a good way to do

it. I mean kefir and separately raw goat milk.

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> Kefir can stay in the refrigerator, but just not for days on end. If the

kefir is getting ahead of your tummy, then you can slow the process down by

putting it in the refrigerator say over night. I prefer doing that than having

to wait for the kefir to be done because I did not have enough grains in the

jars. It is easy to slow down the process; it is difficult if not impossible to

speed up the process.

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> You can tell that the kefir is done when it starts to separate. You can also

tell that it is done when it plops in the jar when you turn the jar sideways. I

like mine just before separation, so I use the plop method. Some people like it

when it separates. You will need to try both to determine what you like.

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> i am new to the world of kefir.i just oredered my grains and am nervous about

getting started.

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> my son has lot of gut issues lot of allergies..i am hoping so much this kefir

will help him.

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> just to get this straight..i put grains in milk and leave for eight to twelve

hours on counter?

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> i dont have airconditioner so my house can get qiute humid in these hot days

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> also from reading the posts we never put kefir grains in fride? only in room

temp milk on the counter?

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