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I open the capsule and dump in my son's juice right before he eats-drinks

with no problems.

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I am at my wits end, I have tried everything I can think of to get my

4 yr. old son to swallow the enzymes. I am convinced that they would

improve some of his behaviors and benefit him, but it is so

frustrating!! If I try to leave it whole and hide it in his food he

just spits it out, if I open the capsule & try to hide it in food he

gets suspicious & won't take anything from my hand. He is a very

selective eater! I tried to hide it in pudding once - well it broke

the puuding down to water! It is hard to hide a pill in chicken

strips, french fries, crackers, nutri bar, toast. This is the limit

of his diet! If I open the capsule & try to dissolve it in water and

mix it with his juice would this maybe work? Can I pre dissolve it

and put it in the fridge to send to the sitters? How long is it good

for saved in the fridge? Plus he tends to graze it can take him 30 -

45 mins to eat a meal, should he receive a larger amnt of the enzyme

to accomadate this? If anyone has a few moments or any suggestions

please let me know. I really feel if I could get the enzymes in to

him they would help Thanks Desperate mom to Colton age 4

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Barb,

My Dr. tried to remove mine " as is " and one ended up ripping on the

way out of me, resulting in the solution being spilled in my body.

So far everything seems to be fine. My explant date was Sept 2nd.

feeling great.

love,

~kim

> That is what my ps was going to do, but he was able to remove them

without

> draining them because my incisions were so long to begin with. They

just

> extract the saline, so it doesn't go into your body. I had the same

concern

> with my surgery when I thought he would remove them that way. I'm

sure it's

> fine.

>

> Colleen

>

> From: " barbsul2002 " <BARBY4271@A...>

> Reply-

> Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 00:04:34 -0000

>

> Subject: (unknown)

>

>

> I found out today that my implants were deflated inside i guess he

> couldnt remove them as is ,which he was suppose to do but he said he

> ggot all the capsules out. Did anyone have them removed like this ?,

> i asked if any solution went inside and he said no he punctured it

> and drained it out.do u think this will be ok?

>

>

> barbara

>

>

>

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America's other drug problem! Government supported, loved by Wall Street, driving up health care costs (which limits options for additional benefits, i.e. Chiropractic). This is making me angry and depressed... Maybe I need Zoloft, those people on TV sure look happy!

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Because many of the 29 >studies presented at the hearing reported positive public results - like >increased communication between patients and doctors - the prevailing >prediction among supporters of the ads was that the drug agency would >allow the ads to continue in much the same form as today. >"It's rare that you get such validation from a meeting like this," said >Dick O'Brien, executive vice president and director for government >affairs at the American Association of Advertising Agencies, a longtime >advocate for the ads. "This is one where you feel all of a sudden like >you're on the side of angels." >"My hope is that these two days were so positive that they may help to >put this controversy to bed once and for all." >Even critics were not optimistic that the agency would make significant >changes. They said the event, at which research was presented by >attendees from Pfizer to Time Inc. to the Mayo Clinic, told just part of >the story. Calls for change continued from critics like Senator > of North Carolina, a candidate for the Democratic presidential >nomination. >"Senator thinks it's misleading for an ad to show a woman running >through a field while the fine print says 'may cause serious side >effects,' " said Briggs, the senator's press secretary. "The >F.D.A. should require drug manufacturers to provide fair and balanced >information about a drug's risks as well as the potential benefits." >Meanwhile, though, the ads are the darlings of broadcasting and >publishing executives. Even in an uncertain economic climate, spending in >the prescription-drug category totaled more than $2.5 billion last year, >up from nearly $1.6 billion in 1999, according to TNS Media >Intelligence/CMR, part of Sofres. >More than just revenue, magazine executives said, the ads even give >readers another reason to buy their publications. >"Both the advertising and the editorial product provide information, and >that presents a benefit to the reader," said Ellen Oppenheim, executive >vice president and chief marketing officer at the Magazine Publishers of >America. Even some F.D.A. officials said the meeting showed that the ads >can also have public health benefits. >"It's been an incredible sea change, from 'Is it a good thing?' to 'This >is a good thing, and how can we make it better?' " said J. Pitts, >the drug agency's associate commissioner for external relations. >Making it better might mean communicating risks more effectively, he >said: "That's exactly what we're studying now. We're going to try to >reach our own judgment on what would be the best path forward." The >agency expects to propose any rule changes by the end of the year. >At Pfizer, executives said few if any changes were necessary. "We feel >that the regulations are working the way they are," said Dorothy Wetzel, >the company's vice president for United States consumer marketing of >pharmaceuticals. >"My hope is that whatever comes out of the meeting really advances our >ability as an industry to effectively communicate with consumers," she >said. "It would be a shame if what comes out makes it more complicated >and confusing." >But some critics showed no sign of backing off. >"This is a really unlevel playing field for consumers," said Larry D. >Sasich, a research analyst at the health research group of Public >Citizen, a consumer advocacy group. "You have an industry that maintains >that a 30-second or 60-second television spot empowers consumers to make >an informed decision about their drug therapy." >Instead, Mr. Sasich said, the spots play up the promise of the products, >leaving consumers on their own to ferret out potential side effects or >adverse reactions. >The Washington meeting did not adequately address such issues, said >Barbara Mintzes, a post-doctoral fellow at the Center for Health Services >and Policy Research at the University of British Columbia in Vancouver. >"The question is: Who was talking?" Ms. Mintzes said. "There were a few >people presenting who were independent, but the large majority were >either people from the industry or financed by them." >Anyone was welcome to present original research at the meeting, but an >open door does nothing to ensure that all the relevent research is >included, Ms. Mintzes said. > Golodner, president at the National Consumers League, another >nonprofit advocacy group, said that the meeting generally showed that >consumers were using the information from ads as a springboard to seek >more information. 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Go ahead and empty it into a glass of whatever you'd like, straws tend to

minimize the skin irritation there might be from the enzymes coming into contact

with lips, throat, cheeks, etc. My son knows he doesn't get to eat a thing until

he drinks his enzymes. Just don't use so much liquid they take forever to drink

it. My son too takes 45 minutes to eat, and yes it's fine.

(unknown)

I am at my wits end, I have tried everything I can think of to get my

4 yr. old son to swallow the enzymes. I am convinced that they would

improve some of his behaviors and benefit him, but it is so

frustrating!! If I try to leave it whole and hide it in his food he

just spits it out, if I open the capsule & try to hide it in food he

gets suspicious & won't take anything from my hand. He is a very

selective eater! I tried to hide it in pudding once - well it broke

the puuding down to water! It is hard to hide a pill in chicken

strips, french fries, crackers, nutri bar, toast. This is the limit

of his diet! If I open the capsule & try to dissolve it in water and

mix it with his juice would this maybe work? Can I pre dissolve it

and put it in the fridge to send to the sitters? How long is it good

for saved in the fridge? Plus he tends to graze it can take him 30 -

45 mins to eat a meal, should he receive a larger amnt of the enzyme

to accomadate this? If anyone has a few moments or any suggestions

please let me know. I really feel if I could get the enzymes in to

him they would help Thanks Desperate mom to Colton age 4

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I think that draining a saline implant before removal is completely

acceptable as long as care is used to make sure the fluid is not

spilled inside your body and that the scar tissue is all removed as

well. I mean I did not have mine done this way, but I don't see a

problem with it, again as long as care is used. That fluid could be

potentially filled with bacteria etc, that would be dangerous if

spilled. And to think women live with these bags of goo in there

bodies for years and years! SCAREY! I mean even to compare this type

of implant to say a Knee or Hip joint is not the same. WHile those

implants may not be safe either, at least there is not potential of

harboring fungus and bacteria in the resevior like in breast

implants. The potential of things that can go wrong in breast

implants are so huge, I cannot believe that they are considered safe

by everyone, it is insane!

In , " kim " <khs1@v...> wrote:

> Barb,

>

> My Dr. tried to remove mine " as is " and one ended up ripping on the

> way out of me, resulting in the solution being spilled in my body.

> So far everything seems to be fine. My explant date was Sept 2nd.

> feeling great.

> love,

> ~kim

>

>

> > That is what my ps was going to do, but he was able to remove

them

> without

> > draining them because my incisions were so long to begin with.

They

> just

> > extract the saline, so it doesn't go into your body. I had the

same

> concern

> > with my surgery when I thought he would remove them that way. I'm

> sure it's

> > fine.

> >

> > Colleen

> >

> > From: " barbsul2002 " <BARBY4271@A...>

> > Reply-

> > Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 00:04:34 -0000

> >

> > Subject: (unknown)

> >

> >

> > I found out today that my implants were deflated inside i guess he

> > couldnt remove them as is ,which he was suppose to do but he said

he

> > ggot all the capsules out. Did anyone have them removed like

this ?,

> > i asked if any solution went inside and he said no he punctured it

> > and drained it out.do u think this will be ok?

> >

> >

> > barbara

> >

> >

> >

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Barb allot of women seem to find immediate relief, and then often

times will flare up again for a bit. Others are like me, and don't

notice huge relief for awhile. Take time to relax and rest and be

extra gentle with yourself. Give it time. It will get better, but for

allot of us it just does not happen right away. Your still much to

early to expect to feel better. For those that do feel better right

away I think it is great, it just doesn't always work out that way

for allot of us.

hugs

In , BARBY4271@A... wrote:

> kim,

> Did u feel great right away? Were you sick from your implants? I

feel awful

> right now its been 4 days since explant.

>

> Barbara

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,

Did you do any detox right after? I think I am too weak to start detox I was so stressed before explant and I barely weigh 100lbs. I made myself a nervous wreck since I became ill Nov. 2002. I started just adding garlic,vit c, b complex and the fatigued to fantastic energy enfusion to help my body recover a little. When do people start detoxing? WHat helped you get better? I know its still soon for me to feel better but I feel worse right now then before explant and I am scared.

Barbara

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Hi Barbara,

I am sorry to hear that you don't feel well, but I'm sure your body is stressed trying to recover from surgery. I don't have any advice to offer on what to take, but I hope you feel better soon!

LizBARBY4271@... wrote:

,Did you do any detox right after? I think I am too weak to start detox I was so stressed before explant and I barely weigh 100lbs. I made myself a nervous wreck since I became ill Nov. 2002. I started just adding garlic,vit c, b complex and the fatigued to fantastic energy enfusion to help my body recover a little. When do people start detoxing? WHat helped you get better? I know its still soon for me to feel better but I feel worse right now then before explant and I am scared.Barbara

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most docs know absolutely zero about hormones, even thyroid. I would really

recommend Armour, DHEA and progesterone cream as solutions, and look for a

topdoc.

http://www.geocities.com/thyroide

Gracia

> I have a question for those of you in here who has problems with

> adrenal insufficiency, adrenal fatigue, etc. I was doing some

> reading about adrenal fatigue symptoms, and at the top of the

> symptom list was migraines. I'm curious if any of you all have had

> severe migraines also. If you don't have the problem yourself but

> know of someone who does, would you also let me know. (Tina, does

> your daughter get bad migraines?)

>

> It also listed many other symptoms I had when I this 7 day migraine

> over the past week. The one which made no sense was high fever (my

> body temp was 95 degrees when I went to the doc Monday) so maybe I'm

> barking completely up the wrong tree.

>

> Anyway, some of the other symptoms were nausea, vomiting, abdominal

> pain, low blood pressure and it said skin lesion. Weird because I

> had all those. That skin lesion just popped out from no where. Last

> night I noticed I had one about 3 inches from the other skin lesion

> that was there last week--came from no where--but now it's almost

> gone. Could be completely unrelated.

>

> Anyway, when I was reading about Prednisone, it said this steroid is

> used to treat a lot of autoimmune disorders and also thyroid gland

> inflammation.

>

> I'll be curious to talk to my neuro about this Friday.

>

> Take care all and have a great day. Sheila

>

>

>

>

>

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Hello: I get headaches all the time. I have a question about the

Adrenal-Glands. Does it have to do with water retention?? I mean when your

adrenal glands are messed do u look more bloated, more fat and retain more

water?

Cuz i noticed how levothyroxine medicine for hypothyroidism can get ride

of excess of water

Cruz

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Subject: (unknown)

Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 13:23:37 -0000

I have a question for those of you in here who has problems with

adrenal insufficiency, adrenal fatigue, etc. I was doing some

reading about adrenal fatigue symptoms, and at the top of the

symptom list was migraines. I'm curious if any of you all have had

severe migraines also. If you don't have the problem yourself but

know of someone who does, would you also let me know. (Tina, does

your daughter get bad migraines?)

It also listed many other symptoms I had when I this 7 day migraine

over the past week. The one which made no sense was high fever (my

body temp was 95 degrees when I went to the doc Monday) so maybe I'm

barking completely up the wrong tree.

Anyway, some of the other symptoms were nausea, vomiting, abdominal

pain, low blood pressure and it said skin lesion. Weird because I

had all those. That skin lesion just popped out from no where. Last

night I noticed I had one about 3 inches from the other skin lesion

that was there last week--came from no where--but now it's almost

gone. Could be completely unrelated.

Anyway, when I was reading about Prednisone, it said this steroid is

used to treat a lot of autoimmune disorders and also thyroid gland

inflammation.

I'll be curious to talk to my neuro about this Friday.

Take care all and have a great day. Sheila

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Well it is good that you did not gain weight! I was grateful that I

never did, as many many women have gained allot of weight around this

implant issue. I did not do a strict detox, but I did different

things and worked out allot to get well. I took allot of supplements

in the beginning and made sure to get lots of exercise, at first only

cardio stuff and then when I got stronger I started adding lots of

weightlifting, I feel this has been so instrumental in my healing. I

could not afford any more Dr's so I did not have a naturopath, I

believed as did Dr Feng, that I could get well on my own with proper

nutrition and I did. I only had my implants 18 months, so I felt my

chances of recovery were good. Anyhow, you can just try to eat right,

lots of whole foods, veggies and fruits, and protein, like free range

chicken and fish, and if your able to tolerate whole grains, they can

be awesome too. Take your supplements and get your workouts in and

see how this helps. If you feel that your not making improvements on

your own then seek a naturopath to help you with more extensive detox.

hopefull this in time will be enough to get you on the road to health

and healing.

hugs

In , BARBY4271@A... wrote:

> ,

> Did you do any detox right after? I think I am too weak to start

detox I was

> so stressed before explant and I barely weigh 100lbs. I made

myself a nervous

> wreck since I became ill Nov. 2002. I started just adding

garlic,vit c, b

> complex and the fatigued to fantastic energy enfusion to help my

body recover a

> little. When do people start detoxing? WHat helped you get

better? I know

> its still soon for me to feel better but I feel worse right now

then before

> explant and I am scared.

> Barbara

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Hi Gracia,

I do intend to tell my endo to switch me to Armour

when I see him in a few weeks. He's about as top doc

as I'm gonna get around here so far.

I've worked several jobs for many years. One of my

jobs the past 5 years has been working with a huge

non-profit medical corportation. I work at a doctor's

office. This endo my doctor (whom I also work with)

referred me to, is an endo all 8 doctors in our

practice refer to. They all think he's the best.

There are a few other choices out there, but they all

feel I'm in the best hands. So far I am happy with

him. Thanks. Sheila

--- Gracia <circe@...> wrote:

>

> most docs know absolutely zero about hormones, even

> thyroid. I would really

> recommend Armour, DHEA and progesterone cream as

> solutions, and look for a

> topdoc.

> http://www.geocities.com/thyroide

> Gracia

>

> > I have a question for those of you in here who has

> problems with

> > adrenal insufficiency, adrenal fatigue, etc. I was

> doing some

> > reading about adrenal fatigue symptoms, and at the

> top of the

> > symptom list was migraines. I'm curious if any of

> you all have had

> > severe migraines also. If you don't have the

> problem yourself but

> > know of someone who does, would you also let me

> know. (Tina, does

> > your daughter get bad migraines?)

> >

> > It also listed many other symptoms I had when I

> this 7 day migraine

> > over the past week. The one which made no sense

> was high fever (my

> > body temp was 95 degrees when I went to the doc

> Monday) so maybe I'm

> > barking completely up the wrong tree.

> >

> > Anyway, some of the other symptoms were nausea,

> vomiting, abdominal

> > pain, low blood pressure and it said skin lesion.

> Weird because I

> > had all those. That skin lesion just popped out

> from no where. Last

> > night I noticed I had one about 3 inches from the

> other skin lesion

> > that was there last week--came from no where--but

> now it's almost

> > gone. Could be completely unrelated.

> >

> > Anyway, when I was reading about Prednisone, it

> said this steroid is

> > used to treat a lot of autoimmune disorders and

> also thyroid gland

> > inflammation.

> >

> > I'll be curious to talk to my neuro about this

> Friday.

> >

> > Take care all and have a great day. Sheila

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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a,

You remind me of my youngest sister. She is loving, giving, avoids

conflict. I think conflict actually makes her ill. She is sensitive and

measures her words, because she is careful of other folks' feelings.

Every once in awhile a bulldozer comes along tearing up the street being

loud and upsetting people's routines. It's a pain for everyone but the

street gets paved in the end.

I don't dislike Ann. I admire her sense of humor and the way she takes

on projects and just dives right in. Many times I have been shocked when

she says what I have been thinking but restrain myself from saying. I

choose to restrain myself because I don't want to make people feel bad.

I had no idea how you would take her " attack " , it just made me angry so I

posted about my feelings. It really had not much to do with you except I

suppose I was feeling protective. It is not your fault in any way and you

did nothing to cause any conflict.

This is the second time Ann and I have crossed swords and I always let

her have the last word because when the argument degrades to " get over

yourself " it is just plain fighting and serves no good purpose.

As it happens, though, the pavers have come through. Cherilyn and Sheila,

nearly 100 pounds lighter since May are showing us a way. I'm getting on

their bandwagon today. Like the saying goes, " stick with the winners! "

Kim

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>Subject: (unknown)

>Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 16:03:04 -0000

>

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Hi all... I'm trying to come up with a good subject line, so if there

isn't one it's cuz I forgot to go back and put it on (I'd lose my

head if it wasn't attached syndrome today).

Anyhow...

As far as posting food, yes, I do it to be accountable, I think part

of being accountable means we should expect some type of comment be

it positive, encouraging or " what the heck are you eating woman " ?

Kim.... I understand where you are comming from and I appreciate it.

Ann the same.....

I know you are all trying to help me as I flounder in the shallow

waters of the vast dieting sea. We are all here to support and help

eahother and email doesn't necessarily show the exact emotions that

are being written, nor does the reader always read them the way they

are meant to be read. I know depending on *my* mood an email can

come across with different meanings, be it my writing or reading.

Today has not been the best day for mood for me so I am thinking that

is why the message came across to me the way it did. *I* was in a

negative mood, so it struck me as negative. Ann did not mean to

be negative but I read it that way... not so much because she

was " atacking " what I ate, but what I didn't eat. I was focused on

what I *ate* as being good and she was focusing on what I didn't eat

and could have fit in with planning and actually thinking (something

I haven't done much of this week). So yes, I now see that it was

meant as a positive hey... where are your greens, not a " Good god,

your food sucks, you need to eat nothing but veggies " .

Right now I'm kind of strung out..... irritated ... not in the best

of moods, I have been cleaning and cleaning and yet the house still

appears to be a mess. I guess it's because I've been focusing on

areas that really bothered me that most people wouldn't notice

instead of working on the actual mess (does that make sense?). Today

I've decided to work on some of that actual mess and work in 15-30

min time periods so I dont'get too fed up with it and quit. It is

amazing what you can get done in just 15 minutes if you put your mind

to it. (thanks sue ;)

That having been said and hoping that all is better with the group

because we all need eachothers support I've gotta go get in another

15mins or so worth of work, and maybe, just maybe I'll have the

carpet ready to be rug doctored tomorrow!

a

(who really just wants to crawl back into bed!)

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Jarom,

What's a big surprise that Bridgette has been approved for implant.

That's very wonderful moment for her. I am sure it will go well

for her as well as it will take few years for her to learn to speak

clearly and understanding these words in the real world.

November 13 will be my one year anniversary from the exact date I

had CI. I can't believe that almost a year has flown by so quick.

I never forgot the special moments. I am so grateful to have the CI

done and am more than happy to have easy life right now.

I better go and take my daughter to BYU soccer game with her soccer

tame to watch. Lucky her!

Dana Brower

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SKP:

The lawsuits are going full steam ahead. The infamous Eli Lilly Rider (that

was repealed) really had no effect on any of the cases that were properly filed.

My best.

Peacefully,

Jeff Sell

Z. Sell, P.C.

4309 Yoakum Blvd.

2nd Floor

Houston, Texas 77006

713-654-7776

713-654-7789 (fax)

832-731-3145 (cell)

JZSell@...

www.JZSLAW.com

(unknown)

Hi Everyone

I have been following the VICA bill closely and have worked very hard

with letter writing etc to help the cause.

I have a friend with an autistic son who is part of a class action

law suit which apparently was being held up by the rider attached to

the Homeland Security Act. That rider has been gone since January

and he is having difficulty trying to find out the status of this

lawsuit....do you know if any other parents have found their lawsuits

going forward since that time or is everything still on hold.

I'd appreciate any information you can give me....

Thank you

SKP

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SKP:

The lawsuits are going full steam ahead. The infamous Eli Lilly Rider (that

was repealed) really had no effect on any of the cases that were properly filed.

My best.

Peacefully,

Jeff Sell

Z. Sell, P.C.

4309 Yoakum Blvd.

2nd Floor

Houston, Texas 77006

713-654-7776

713-654-7789 (fax)

832-731-3145 (cell)

JZSell@...

www.JZSLAW.com

(unknown)

Hi Everyone

I have been following the VICA bill closely and have worked very hard

with letter writing etc to help the cause.

I have a friend with an autistic son who is part of a class action

law suit which apparently was being held up by the rider attached to

the Homeland Security Act. That rider has been gone since January

and he is having difficulty trying to find out the status of this

lawsuit....do you know if any other parents have found their lawsuits

going forward since that time or is everything still on hold.

I'd appreciate any information you can give me....

Thank you

SKP

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Hmmmm, the entire system is part of PayPal. If anyone has a problem with it

then it part of the PayPal system which we have no control or a problem with

the users computer. I'm sure PayPal used scripts like pearl or java to make

everything work the way it does so maybe you computer doesn't support that

particular script?

I know members have had problems with parts of PayPal being temporarily down

in the past and tried again later and found it working. I'm afraid that all

I can suggest. If it still doesn't work there is always the good old fashion

snail mail! :-)

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From: " Hamilton " <hamilloch@...>

> Trying to use subscription method to pay by card. Keeps coming back as

> unable to load template. I don't know what this means. Could you let me

know

> as can't ring the number from here.

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Hi Barbara,

I think this should be okay, as long as the contents of the implant were not spilled inside you. I would suggest that you request a copy of your operative report, if you have not already gotten one. Read it over carefully to make sure that he removed all of the scar capsule. One friend of mine read her report a year later, and discovered that the doctor had left the posterior capsule in, even though they had discussed the need for a total capsulectomy. She was quite upset, and ended up having to go back for a second surgery with a different doctor to have all the capsule removed. (She is healed now!).

As long as the capsule is out, you should not have anything to worry about.

Patty

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From: barbsul2002

Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2003 5:04 PM

Subject: (unknown)

I found out today that my implants were deflated inside i guess he couldnt remove them as is ,which he was suppose to do but he said he ggot all the capsules out. Did anyone have them removed like this ?, i asked if any solution went inside and he said no he punctured it and drained it out.do u think this will be ok? barbara

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Barbara,

Don't be scared. Your body has gone through an awful lot lately, and it needs time to recover. You may have stirred up a bunch of toxins or have started to experience a worsening of your symptoms that is so common with explant. I can understand your fear...I went through many fearful days of what was going to happen to me, but I hope I can help you feel encouraged in some way. Of course, I'd much rather be able to give you a magic bullet and help you feel better right now! I can only pray for you and hope that you will begin to feel some glimmer of light in your day soon as you begin to feel better. Just hang on, try to do some of the detoxing things we suggested in the files section, but also know that you may need to just be slow and steady right now...you don't want to overwhelm your organs with too much eliminating. However, I want to highly encourage you to try the coffee enema if you have not already done so. There is much benefit to this....it is extremely effective in getting toxins to be removed from the body.

Keep us posted, okay? I will be praying for your strengthening.

Patty

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From: BARBY4271@...

Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 12:33 PM

Subject: Re: Re: (unknown)

,Did you do any detox right after? I think I am too weak to start detox I was so stressed before explant and I barely weigh 100lbs. I made myself a nervous wreck since I became ill Nov. 2002. I started just adding garlic,vit c, b complex and the fatigued to fantastic energy enfusion to help my body recover a little. When do people start detoxing? WHat helped you get better? I know its still soon for me to feel better but I feel worse right now then before explant and I am scared.Barbara

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After TKR of both knees at the same time I'm walking from 3 to 5 miles each morning and can bend to 115 degrees could not walk over a half a block before. 1'm 60 and it's only been 12 weeks.

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I have had a total of four knee replacements and still have total feeling in both my feet. My sense is that your situation is not typical

Ray Silva

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Hi I am new to this group. I need to have TKR on my right knee. I have many questions and hope that someone can answer them for me. In 1968 I was involved in a motorcycle accident. The right femur was crushed. The right femur is now 2" shorter than the left, 1/2 of the hamstring and 1/3 of the quadriceps muscles are missing. Since there is more mucle towards the inside of the leg it pulls the knee to the one side. I wear a brace to help correct this. I also only have 95 degrees of flexion. I am hoping to gain a greater range but I am not sure since none of the tendons have gone futher than this in such a long time. I was told I would lose the awareness (proprioception) of my leg and foot. I was told I would not be able to do Tai Chi after the surgery since I won't be aware of where my foot is without seeing it. I was wondering if this has happened to anyone and if it has, how does it affect you. Is there anyone currently doing Tai Chi after having a TKR? Up until a couple of years ago I was going on canoe trips, biking and cross country skiing competitively. I would like to know how far I could expect to able to bike ride or ski without really over using the new knee. Also, on the canoe trips could one carry 35lbs over short portages? Ken

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Hi,

I had a total knee replacement 6 weeks ago. I would like to know how long will it be before my knee will be pain free? Therapy is going good. I'm just getting frustrated not being able to do everything,I know it takes time. I would really like to hear from someone who has been through the same thing. Thanks.

Connie

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Can you tell us wha you have had four keen replacements. Didn't it work

Silva <dyssilva@...> wrote:

I have had a total of four knee replacements and still have total feeling in both my feet. My sense is that your situation is not typical

Ray Silva

-- (unknown)

Hi I am new to this group. I need to have TKR on my right knee. I have many questions and hope that someone can answer them for me. In 1968 I was involved in a motorcycle accident. The right femur was crushed. The right femur is now 2" shorter than the left, 1/2 of the hamstring and 1/3 of the quadriceps muscles are missing. Since there is more mucle towards the inside of the leg it pulls the knee to the one side. I wear a brace to help correct this. I also only have 95 degrees of flexion. I am hoping to gain a greater range but I am not sure since none of the tendons have gone futher than this in such a long time. I was told I would lose the awareness (proprioception) of my leg and foot. I was told I would not be able to do Tai Chi after the surgery since I won't be aware of where my foot is without seeing it. I was

wondering if this has happened to anyone and if it has, how does it affect you. Is there anyone currently doing Tai Chi after having a TKR? Up until a couple of years ago I was going on canoe trips, biking and cross country skiing competitively. I would like to know how far I could expect to able to bike ride or ski without really over using the new knee. Also, on the canoe trips could one carry 35lbs over short portages? Ken

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