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Yes very possible and happening more and more Kathleen...:-(

As mentioned by me earlier and by , try -

www.zonelabs.com

Suzie

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Okay, this is just scary. I've never heard of this. So it's possible for

someone to hack in to your computer whenever you are online?!

What kind of protection is there agains this?

Kathleen who always wonders why humans are so evil.

In a message dated 4/22/2002 9:55:56 AM Central Daylight Time,

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> it was a hacker.

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it won't happen through an email list, it's your

connection to the internet. there is a free program

called zone alarm, you can download it at zd.net. once

you install it, it'll alert you when somebody tries to

ping your computer etc. but noone will be able to get

into it.

hth

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> I don't think that can happen thru an email list.

> It is something else and there are programs to keep

> people from coming in

> while you are online.

> don't have the info handy, but it doesn'thappen thru

> an email list

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It is a case of bad thinking planted in the media brains and now spreading.

Suzy

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>Subject: (unknown)

>Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 21:05:20 -0600

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Please zero in on the last sentence in this article. Can someone tell me if this is true? Or is this just another case of media subtlety planting thoughts in our brains???

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/04/18/60minutes/printable506599.shtml

Critic: Brain Research Misdirected

April 18, 2002

The federal government is wasting billions of taxpayer dollars earmarked for research into mental illness, says pioneering brain researcher Dr. E. Fuller Torrey.

An ardent critic of of the National Institutes of Mental Health, Torry makes his claim and mocks some NIMH projects, such as studying the brain of pigeons, in an interview with Morley Safer to be broadcast on 60 Minutes Sunday at 7 p.m. ET/PT.

“Schizophrenia and manic depressive illness alone cost the federal government about $40 billion a year,” he says, referring to the burden mental illness puts on a wide variety of social services. “Yet, the part of the federal government that is supposed to be doing research on these diseases has, by and large, ignored them.”

Torrey says the government agency should instead focus directly on finding better treatment for severe mental illness.

Hyman, the former director of the NIMH, tells Safer that some of the money his agency gets is assigned, by law, for areas other than severe mental illness. He also argues that the big picture is what’s important.

“Fuller’s focus on the most severe is like saying to the heart institute that they can only study heart attacks, but not cholesterol or high blood pressure,” he says. “I’m in the business of making sure people with mental illness get the best science for them.”

Torrey, whose sister is severely schizophrenic, has spent his entire career railing against the way the government spends its mental health research dollars. He’s also criticizes the field of psychiatry for dealing mainly with “problems of living” rather than severe mental illness.

“I think a lot of the resources of psychiatry… should be going to people with severe mental illness…[not] …why is your third wife divorcing you or why were you passed over for office chief?” he tells Safer. “I’m not saying those are not problems.”

When not tilting against the mental health bureaucracy, Torrey heads up the Stanley Foundation for Brain Research, where he directly studies severe mental illness.

Torrey caused a furor in the early 1970s when he argued that schizophrenia was a disease of the brain and not a condition caused by family behavior – a theory dismissed by most psychiatrists at the time. His view proved to be correct.

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It is a case of bad thinking planted in the media brains and now spreading.

Suzy

>From: " DAWN RIDER " <israelswarrior@...>

>Reply-SSRI medications

>prozactruth , SSRI medications ,

>SSRI-Research

>Subject: (unknown)

>Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2002 21:05:20 -0600

>

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Friends,

Please zero in on the last sentence in this article. Can someone tell me if this is true? Or is this just another case of media subtlety planting thoughts in our brains???

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/04/18/60minutes/printable506599.shtml

Critic: Brain Research Misdirected

April 18, 2002

The federal government is wasting billions of taxpayer dollars earmarked for research into mental illness, says pioneering brain researcher Dr. E. Fuller Torrey.

An ardent critic of of the National Institutes of Mental Health, Torry makes his claim and mocks some NIMH projects, such as studying the brain of pigeons, in an interview with Morley Safer to be broadcast on 60 Minutes Sunday at 7 p.m. ET/PT.

“Schizophrenia and manic depressive illness alone cost the federal government about $40 billion a year,” he says, referring to the burden mental illness puts on a wide variety of social services. “Yet, the part of the federal government that is supposed to be doing research on these diseases has, by and large, ignored them.”

Torrey says the government agency should instead focus directly on finding better treatment for severe mental illness.

Hyman, the former director of the NIMH, tells Safer that some of the money his agency gets is assigned, by law, for areas other than severe mental illness. He also argues that the big picture is what’s important.

“Fuller’s focus on the most severe is like saying to the heart institute that they can only study heart attacks, but not cholesterol or high blood pressure,” he says. “I’m in the business of making sure people with mental illness get the best science for them.”

Torrey, whose sister is severely schizophrenic, has spent his entire career railing against the way the government spends its mental health research dollars. He’s also criticizes the field of psychiatry for dealing mainly with “problems of living” rather than severe mental illness.

“I think a lot of the resources of psychiatry… should be going to people with severe mental illness…[not] …why is your third wife divorcing you or why were you passed over for office chief?” he tells Safer. “I’m not saying those are not problems.”

When not tilting against the mental health bureaucracy, Torrey heads up the Stanley Foundation for Brain Research, where he directly studies severe mental illness.

Torrey caused a furor in the early 1970s when he argued that schizophrenia was a disease of the brain and not a condition caused by family behavior – a theory dismissed by most psychiatrists at the time. His view proved to be correct.

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> Has anyone gotten a hacker through this e-mail group? I got

> someone that hacked into our computer, not a virus, and killed

> our computer, everything.

>

> I am at work, and can get mail here but....it is a pain.

>

>

> Western NY

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Very, very scary. But probably not the government? I mean, it sounds

like a kid doing it - the government would probably do it in such a way

that you didn't know that someone had actually gotten into your

computer? Maybe make it look like a hard drive failure or something. Not

that I have any technical expertise - but very, very weird.

Take care,

Meryl

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> ,

> Try ZoneAlarm. Good free programme that monitors who and what is

trying to get into your computer. It stops a lot of access to your

computer and you can customise it to allow certain programmes etc.

> It is at -

> www.zonelabs.com

>

> Hth,

> Suzie

Thanks Suzie, I just downloaded it!

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Oh, my God, ...you know, our computer's been going up and down lately,

too. For no reason...hubby looked into it, couldn't find anything at all

wrong (or at least he thought). Now, I'm wondering...I'll have to check it

out with him tonight, see if we can figure out what's been going on.

Kim

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> > Has anyone gotten a hacker through this e-mail group? I got

> > someone that hacked into our computer, not a virus, and killed

> > our computer, everything.

> >

> > I am at work, and can get mail here but....it is a pain.

> >

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> > Western NY

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Bloody hell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeh ! Very scary!!!!!!!

Its bad enough getting a virus, but, having someone IN your computer and popping

up windows to speak to you! :-(

Suzie

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>

> Has anyone gotten a hacker through this e-mail group? I got

> someone that hacked into our computer, not a virus, and killed

> our computer, everything.

>

> I am at work, and can get mail here but....it is a pain.

>

>

> Western NY

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I was online for ages the other night and zone alarm blocked over 80

'somethings', LOL.

I have also been told a lot of these are sites etc. just info. trying to go back

and for or something. In other words, if you turn on your zonealarm and it

blocks alot, dont panic, most of it is probably normal 'traffic' from different

sites etc.

Wow Im so technical! LOL!

Suzie

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Oh crap, a modern day horror story! I'm so sorry that happened to you !

I also want to thank you for bringing this issue up.

I was just talking to my brother-in-law who is quite knowledgeable about

computers. He said that some of the messages that people are receiving from

firewall alerts might actually be cookie attempts instead of an actual

hacker. Something about websites put cookies on us or some such.

Kathleen

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prayers coming, i know he can do a great job at special olympics!!! shawna.

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Thanks Kathy,

Jim's B-day was April 14th and mine is around the corner, next

Sunday. Jim's brother invited us out to eat at the Outback Rest. for

a combo celebration today (Sun.)and the BEST gift of all is how well

had behaved. We were able to enjoy it, plus actually

ate a DIFFERENT menu and cheesecake with choc. syrup. We also

attended the entire hour at church this morning and then celebrated

our Fiesta Festival afterwards, its Fiesta time here in San ,

a big event every year. So, is worned out and slept EARLY,

toileting has been good, too. I say what a day for him. This week

Special Olympics, praying for more good behavior, sleep, and him

eating. Thanks always for listening. Take care.

Irma,13,DS/ASD

> HEY IRMA

>

> HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU AND

JIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> Kathy

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every time you are connected to the internet, it

doesn't matter how, cable, phone, satelite etc. your

computer is open to anyone else on-line.

claudia

--- & Troy Lucas <lucasjt@...> wrote:

> Do I have to worry about this if I'm not on a cable

> modem?

>

> jenL.

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> Your welcome. No I didn't see it with the kids since

> they had an active morning and one of them just got

> back from soccer.

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I'm probably going to send one of my co-workers to the theatre so

that she could take to watch it this coming Saturday. She is a

Physical Therapist and has emergency knowledge with some special

needs experience. This will be the first time to do this. My other

son Rick who is 15 has been invited to a wedding and my dh and I are

planning to attend with some of my friends that are from North

Richland Hills in the FTW area and are coming down to San .

So, I'm going take advantage of this offer as a respite. That way

Rick could get a taste of a Tex-Mex wedding & some music. Boy, wish

you were here to help out. People out there should be happy, there is

a special person like you willing to help out. Take care.

Irma,13,DS/ASD

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> prayers coming, i know he can do a great job at special olympics!!!

shawna.

Just got word its tomorrow (Wed.) Taking time off to join the very

ACTIVE team. Thanks a : )

Irma

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im not much sure about what those meds are but i do know that i was told not

to even take my thyroid meds before a test cause it can effect it - maybe

you could go for another test and try avoid taking meds for a few hours -

like 6 or so - anyone else know? im not accurate about this -

>From: " sheila1975ue " <jabtb82@...>

>Reply-hypothyroidism

>hypothyroidism

>Subject: (unknown)

>Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 17:15:28 -0000

>

>I am new to this site and hope I am doing this right. I had a throid

>test done a year ago. Told it was normal. Lab tech said 30mg of

>dexedrine/day and wellbutrin/daily might affect the test. Does

>anyone know if this could be true?I come from a family of thyroid

>disease. My mom had very bad hypothyroidism. I was diagnosed with

>fibromyalgia years ago, my husband says I have all the symptoms of

>hypo and they seem to be getting worse but Drs say it is all in my

>head. I saw what it did to my mom

>and I want to feel better. Where do I go from here? I know how I

>feel is not normal

>Thanks for taking the time to read this.

>

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Hi Greg's wife..I hope this group helps you in any of your questions..doubts...fears..or anything else..We do cut up alot in here to help ease our stress but when we need to get serious we do..Oh I'm Jan from Louisiana sitting with Fluffy in the back row waving!!! It sure is nice to finally meet you..Ask what you need to and I hope we can help..

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From: " Meryl Dorey " <newsbydesign@...>

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Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 04:58:02 +1000

Yes very weird and scarey someone can do this to others,

and for what? I don't get it. $80 to get it fixed,

that could be using for something else, but....

Western NY

>Very, very scary. But probably not the government? I mean, it sounds

>like a kid doing it - the government would probably do it in such a way

>that you didn't know that someone had actually gotten into your

>computer? Maybe make it look like a hard drive failure or something. Not

>that I have any technical expertise - but very, very weird.

>

>Take care,

>Meryl

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From: " hjfasufi " <Hjfasufi@...>

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Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 19:28:04 -0000

Thanks, and got it all down, you are all so helpful,

thanks again.

Western NY

>

>> ,

>> Try ZoneAlarm. Good free programme that monitors who and what is

>trying to get into your computer. It stops a lot of access to your

>computer and you can customise it to allow certain programmes etc.

>> It is at -

>> www.zonelabs.com

>>

>> Hth,

>> Suzie

>

>Thanks Suzie, I just downloaded it!

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>> >

>> > Has anyone gotten a hacker through this e-mail group? I got

>> > someone that hacked into our computer, not a virus, and killed

>> > our computer, everything.

>> >

>> > I am at work, and can get mail here but....it is a pain.

>> >

>> >

>> > Western NY

>> >

>> >

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From: HolisticMomma@...

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Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2002 15:06:40 EDT

Aren't computers just so much fun, cookies, back door viruses...

so much to learn, so little time and so much money to fix... *sigh*

Western NY

>Oh crap, a modern day horror story! I'm so sorry that happened to you !

> I also want to thank you for bringing this issue up.

>

>I was just talking to my brother-in-law who is quite knowledgeable about

>computers. He said that some of the messages that people are receiving from

>firewall alerts might actually be cookie attempts instead of an actual

>hacker. Something about websites put cookies on us or some such.

>

>Kathleen

>

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I was gathering that, piece by piece. Those of us who are suffering from this disease know it can be very difficult for our family members/loved ones as well as it is for us. We would certainly like to help in any way we can. You will find that, while none of us has all the answers, you can usually find at least one or two in the group have gone through what you and Greg are going through. -dz-

gandcwaltke <gandcwaltke@...> wrote: Just wanted to let you all know that I am Greg's Wife.gandcwaltke

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Hilarious.. she has a first name honest she does.... Should I tell ya or should we wait for her to he he he! Well owing to the hour we got her on finally last night I guess for now shes just Gregs wife and Fluffys DIL. LOL Re: [ ] (unknown) Hi Greg's wife..I hope this group helps you in any of your questions..doubts...fears..or anything else..We do cut up alot in here to help ease our stress but when we need to get serious we do..Oh I'm Jan from Louisiana sitting with Fluffy in the back row waving!!! It sure is nice to finally meet you..Ask what you need to and I hope we can help..

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