FORCED VACCINATIONS

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> From: " Sandy Mintz " <sandym@...>

> This is not benign stuff - it's about what I consider a very dangerous

> notion, the " common good " . But who decides what constitutes the common

> good, and how many are sacrificed? All the people who have lost their lives

> fighting to preserve freedom, what were they preserving, if it comes to

> this?

Sandy, thanks for your carefuly worded email. I really appreciate it and

think that more people ought to think more critically about the great

" common good " mystification.

About a letter campaign to legislators, do you think we should try to focus

on sending a bunch of letters on one specific day to create a critical mass

effect? What would you recommend?

[Guest guest]

, That's an interesting idea. I don't know if it's too difficult to

orchestrate - and whether we could have enough on a given day to have that

kind of impact. What do others think?

Sandy

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Re: FORCED VACCINATIONS

> From: " Sandy Mintz " <sandym@...>

> This is not benign stuff - it's about what I consider a very dangerous

> notion, the " common good " . But who decides what constitutes the common

> good, and how many are sacrificed? All the people who have lost their

lives

> fighting to preserve freedom, what were they preserving, if it comes to

> this?

Sandy, thanks for your carefuly worded email. I really appreciate it and

think that more people ought to think more critically about the great

" common good " mystification.

About a letter campaign to legislators, do you think we should try to focus

on sending a bunch of letters on one specific day to create a critical mass

effect? What would you recommend?

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In a message dated 2/3/2007 1:06:42 PM Eastern Standard Time,

Bob@... writes:

It is important to take a stand now. Spread the word. Absolutely and

positively " No! " to forced medical products.

99% of the time I say something to someone I get shut down. I keep saying

it. Hopefully I can plant that seed of doubt. I also have a bumper sticker

on my truck. I'm sure hundreds of people have read that by now. People in

general will not listen that vaccines are bad. I just don't understand why.

Old habits die hard. They have heard the propaganda all their lives, and

believe it to be true. Maybe they don't want to face the fact that they have

poisoned their kids and pets? It is hard for me to think about all the poisons

I put into my pup. I hope he can forgive me. I thank God I learned the

truth before I vaxed my daughter.

Holly

[Guest guest]

What will get their attn.?

Anyone willing to move? We could all live & fight for our rights easier if we

were together.

But, everyone will just keep as sitting ducks until they are literally being

chased.

They will just kill some of us off and live happier but, more greedy....Jenn L

FORCED VACCINATIONS

Forced vaccinations for children are not the final goal of the medical

industry. By lobbying our elected officials, and millions of dollars

in " political contributions " the medical authorities have infiltrated

federal and state governments. Mandatory vaccinations for children and

teen agers are about to escalate. This is the first step in what is

being planned for the American people. Forced medical treatment for

all Americans is on the horizon.This will include operations, drug

therapy and any and all medical procedures.

Medical treatment legislated by law and enforced by the courts and the

police, if necessary, will become a reality if we allow the drug

companies to have their way.

We should stop wasting time talking about what vaccines are harmful

and which contain mercury, and other such nonsense. They are all

useless and worthless. We have been brainwashed by excessive

advertising, and may soon have to pay the price.

It is important to take a stand now. Spread the word. Absolutely and

positively " No! " to forced medical products.

We cannot count on the media or elected official to stop what lies

ahead. They have an interest in the promotion of these products.

[Guest guest]

I feel the choices I make now are going to affect my children's children also

so, that's why I'm in this fight. I also want to see my dd healed from the this

nightmare. Jenn L

FORCED VACCINATIONS

Forced vaccinations for children are not the final goal of the medical

industry. By lobbying our elected officials, and millions of dollars

in " political contributions " the medical authorities have infiltrated

federal and state governments. Mandatory vaccinations for children and

teen agers are about to escalate. This is the first step in what is

being planned for the American people. Forced medical treatment for

all Americans is on the horizon.This will include operations, drug

therapy and any and all medical procedures.

Medical treatment legislated by law and enforced by the courts and the

police, if necessary, will become a reality if we allow the drug

companies to have their way.

We should stop wasting time talking about what vaccines are harmful

and which contain mercury, and other such nonsense. They are all

useless and worthless. We have been brainwashed by excessive

advertising, and may soon have to pay the price.

It is important to take a stand now. Spread the word. Absolutely and

positively " No! " to forced medical products.

We cannot count on the media or elected official to stop what lies

ahead. They have an interest in the promotion of these products.

[Guest guest]

Waking people up from their questionless, uninformed belief systems is no easy

feat. It requires numerous gentle exposures that must be delivered in small

doses and without zeal. I have turned some of the toughest nuts around. Most of

what I share is via email; can't imagine how many people secretly regret giving

their's to me. ;~)...But they never say STOP! And I always invite them to be

honest about whether or not they want the info I send. People are hungry for

info. Email works better than face-to-face conversations just like writing a

letter works better than speaking ones feelings in many cases. The other person

has time to digest what you are saying and there is no need for emotion driven

defensiveness. Works for me......Anita

mensrea320@... wrote:

In a message dated 2/3/2007 1:06:42 PM Eastern Standard Time,

Bob@... writes:

It is important to take a stand now. Spread the word. Absolutely and

positively " No! " to forced medical products.

99% of the time I say something to someone I get shut down. I keep saying

it. Hopefully I can plant that seed of doubt. I also have a bumper sticker

on my truck. I'm sure hundreds of people have read that by now. People in

general will not listen that vaccines are bad. I just don't understand why.

Old habits die hard. They have heard the propaganda all their lives, and

believe it to be true. Maybe they don't want to face the fact that they have

poisoned their kids and pets? It is hard for me to think about all the poisons

I put into my pup. I hope he can forgive me. I thank God I learned the

truth before I vaxed my daughter.

Holly

[Guest guest]

Anita, I have learned so much from you reading this, you are a very

wise mother and woman!

Ingrid

>

> Waking people up from their questionless, uninformed belief systems

is no easy feat. It requires numerous gentle exposures that must be

delivered in small doses and without zeal. I have turned some of the

toughest nuts around. Most of what I share is via email; can't imagine

how many people secretly regret giving their's to me. ;~)...But they

never say STOP! And I always invite them to be honest about whether or

not they want the info I send. People are hungry for info. Email works

better than face-to-face conversations just like writing a letter

works better than speaking ones feelings in many cases. The other

person has time to digest what you are saying and there is no need for

emotion driven defensiveness. Works for me......Anita

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you kindly, Ingrid............Anita

ingrid5317 <ingrid_schebesch@...> wrote: Anita, I have learned so

much from you reading this, you are a very

wise mother and woman!

Ingrid

>

> Waking people up from their questionless, uninformed belief systems

is no easy feat. It requires numerous gentle exposures that must be

delivered in small doses and without zeal. I have turned some of the

toughest nuts around. Most of what I share is via email; can't imagine

how many people secretly regret giving their's to me. ;~)...But they

never say STOP! And I always invite them to be honest about whether or

not they want the info I send. People are hungry for info. Email works

better than face-to-face conversations just like writing a letter

works better than speaking ones feelings in many cases. The other

person has time to digest what you are saying and there is no need for

emotion driven defensiveness. Works for me......Anita

>

[Guest guest]

Bob,

You're scaring me. So if writing to the politicians will do no good what

*should* we do???

Diane

dancebaron3 <Bob@...> wrote:

Writing to the politicians will do no good. If a representative should

turn against the medical industry, he would be outcast by the other

members. The medical authorities have gained great control over our

government. They are about to vaccinate every girl in America by

force; and that is only the beginning. One dead bird found somewhere

will be enough for a Governor to order mass innoculations. That is the

next step.

Most of the media and all of the government is in the pocket of the

pharmaceutical industry. The people will have to stand alone in the

fight against forced medicine or suffer the consequences of a

government controlled by the medical industry with not only forced

vaccinations, but forced medical procedures of all kinds. We are

facing the most dangerous enemy of all time.

Bob Catalano

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Bob,

Though I see what you're saying, I don't necessarily agree. I do agree that

one or two people writing to their reps won't mean squat - but... when a group

of at least 15 make an appt. for their rep. on a particular matter, that DOES

get attention.

I'd suggest for anyone concerned about this coming to their states (if they're

not already there) do an organized meeting with your reps for as many members as

you can get to attend. At least 15 will make an impact.

In addition - you have to look at what TX is doing. Voices DO matter and they

do count. You just have to do so in numbers. That is the main key - having

enough interest for people to do something in a particular area to have an

impact. This is not IMHO - this is based on fact - via a former staff member.

Know the facts, be short and to the point - and bring along numbers....

Again - Pharma brings dollars for campaigns - you bring votes for campaigns.

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Politics does not belong on this list (related to Jews and Israel)

Sheri

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> You're right about what you say, Randi:

>

> I'm afraid people are not taking this seriously enough. I menitoned

> this earlier; but no one seemed impressed by it; but when the Jews

> decided to give up one small right in order to keep peace with the

> government it was their downfall. If we allow one small thing, such as

> forced vaccinations of these girls to take place, it may be the worst

> mistake we ever made. I believe we should stop the pharmaceutical

> industry now...before we arrive at that slippery slope and it's too

> late.

>

> As for Merck. I'm researching their history, now. The things they've done

> to push their products are unbelievable.

>

> Bob Catalano

> Re: Forced VaCcinations

>

>

> Hey Bob - you bring on the " common sense approach " . I vaccinate not my

> children, nor my pets. (2 kitties - 1) 10 y/o, 1) 7 y/o, both very

> healthy and spunky).

>

> All that aside - when the PEOPLE begin to realize their value, things

> will change. Many have the mind set of " it's the government, they're so

> big, I'm just one person, I cannot change things " . It's through that,

> that things will not be changed. When people assemble, change WILL

> occur.

>

> So Merck comes to visit your state and promises one elected official

> 5,000.00 for their campaign... whoopty do! Piss off a handful of people

> within that state seeking re-election, and watch what happens. I think

> we've just recently seen that with the new shift of power.

> That shift was not based solely on the Iraq war or Immigration

> (illegal). Earmarks and corruption played a big part. It's pretty simple

> if people assemble - do what's right by the people, keep your job -

> don't, here's a pink slip.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I can't figure that out. If we can talk about Americans and America, Frenchmen

and France, why can't we talk about Jews and Israel. This has me puzzled

Re: Forced VaCcinations

>

>

> Hey Bob - you bring on the " common sense approach " . I vaccinate not my

> children, nor my pets. (2 kitties - 1) 10 y/o, 1) 7 y/o, both very

> healthy and spunky).

>

> All that aside - when the PEOPLE begin to realize their value, things

> will change. Many have the mind set of " it's the government, they're so

> big, I'm just one person, I cannot change things " . It's through that,

> that things will not be changed. When people assemble, change WILL

> occur.

>

> So Merck comes to visit your state and promises one elected official

> 5,000.00 for their campaign... whoopty do! Piss off a handful of people

> within that state seeking re-election, and watch what happens. I think

> we've just recently seen that with the new shift of power.

> That shift was not based solely on the Iraq war or Immigration

> (illegal). Earmarks and corruption played a big part. It's pretty simple

> if people assemble - do what's right by the people, keep your job -

> don't, here's a pink slip.

>

>

>

>

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>

> As for Merck. I'm researching their history, now. The things they've

done to push their products are unbelievable.

>

If possible, Bob, I would be interested in this, if you could share

some info.

Maybe on the OT4vax list, if it is too OT.

Thanks,

Ingrid

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I can't remember if I posted this on this list or not - so, if this is a repeat,

please excuse...

Regarding the forcing of the HPV vaccine - again, this is a vaccine that's

brought on mainly by " choice " . It's supposed to stop (or cut down) the 3,700

deaths of women per year.

Now - picture this. There are vaccines in the works for " smoking " , " drugs " ,

" alcohol " , " Aids " , " breast cancer " , " obesity " (to name a few) - if HPV is

mandated because of 3,700 deaths - all the above whose results are based on

choice (minus breast cancer) kills way more than 3,700. The HPV was just the

beginning to more mandated vaccines that will undoubtedly be coming down the

pike soon. If HPV is passed as mandatory - bet the farm that the others will

too.

[Guest guest]

The medical industry will take the place they seek in the American Government

when they can force their services and products on the American people and the

people of the world. That is their goal. Their means of accomplishing this, is

political contributions and false statistics. The fact is that no drug ever

cured or prevented anything. This fact is overcome by brainwashing the populace

with billions of dollars in excessive, meaningless advertising that achieves for

themselves the appearance of respectability. They are not respectable. They are

polluting the bloodstream of America and of the world. Time will prove that

tampering with the human bloodstream is crime against nature. Forcing these

products on people who know better than to use them, is a crime against

humanity.

Bob Catalano

Re: Forced VaCcinations

I can't remember if I posted this on this list or not - so, if this is a

repeat, please excuse...

Regarding the forcing of the HPV vaccine - again, this is a vaccine that's

brought on mainly by " choice " . It's supposed to stop (or cut down) the 3,700

deaths of women per year.

Now - picture this. There are vaccines in the works for " smoking " , " drugs " ,

" alcohol " , " Aids " , " breast cancer " , " obesity " (to name a few) - if HPV is

mandated because of 3,700 deaths - all the above whose results are based on

choice (minus breast cancer) kills way more than 3,700. The HPV was just the

beginning to more mandated vaccines that will undoubtedly be coming down the

pike soon. If HPV is passed as mandatory - bet the farm that the others will

too.

[Guest guest]

Hi Ingrid:

I don't have any secrets. I am trying to find out what I can about political

connections, gifts etc.

That's how these companies go about their so called business.

I found this lately from Mercola:

Texas is now the first state to require girls to receive the human

papillomavirus (HPV) vaccine Gardasil.

Not surprisingly, Merck, the vaccine's maker, has been lobbying there intensely;

in fact, a key Merck lobbyist, a man named Mike Toomey, actually served as the

governor's chief of staff, and Merck contributed $6,000 to Governor 's

successful reelection campaign.

Merck has been lobbying in 18 states across the country. So, if you're thinking

that this only applies to people in Texas, think again. The lobbyists have

likely been hard at work in your state too!

Bob Catalano

Re: Forced VaCcinations

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>

> As for Merck. I'm researching their history, now. The things they've

done to push their products are unbelievable.

>

If possible, Bob, I would be interested in this, if you could share

some info.

Maybe on the OT4vax list, if it is too OT.

Thanks,

Ingrid

[Guest guest]

May I please share your post with a parents group?..........Anita

Randi Airola <randiceaj@...> wrote: I can't remember if I posted this

on this list or not - so, if this is a repeat, please excuse...

Regarding the forcing of the HPV vaccine - again, this is a vaccine that's

brought on mainly by " choice " . It's supposed to stop (or cut down) the 3,700

deaths of women per year.

Now - picture this. There are vaccines in the works for " smoking " , " drugs " ,

" alcohol " , " Aids " , " breast cancer " , " obesity " (to name a few) - if HPV is

mandated because of 3,700 deaths - all the above whose results are based on

choice (minus breast cancer) kills way more than 3,700. The HPV was just the

beginning to more mandated vaccines that will undoubtedly be coming down the

pike soon. If HPV is passed as mandatory - bet the farm that the others will

too.

[Guest guest]

First Anita - ABSOLUTELY! I won't put ANYTHING in public I don't want shared.

If it's on a list, private or not, I assume it's going to find its way one way

or the other in a public arena, all of which I don't care.

If it's PRIVATE - I will send something directly to the individual. Even

though, as we know, that still doesn't mean " private " - hey it's the internet,

what can you say...

Also Bob - TX is not MANDATED anymore. The Governor was overruled by the

Legislature, as it was determined he did not have the authority to skip the

legilsative process and make an executive order.

That does not however mean that other states will not try....

If that happens however, it will just take that state to become as active as

what TX did.

I really liked this motto: " You can mess with me - but, don't think you can

mess with my child " . And everyone said... AMEN!

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi Ingrid:

> I don't have any secrets. I am trying to find out what I can

about political connections, gifts etc.

> That's how these companies go about their so called business.

Thank you Bob, this is the kind of stuff I am interested in. I know

that drug companies have their fingers in a lot of political agendas

and probably even donate huge sums of money to politicians. I know

that infant formula companies give gifts to pregnant mothers, even if

it is not formula, they give vouchers and free gifts for other

products by them, which is all sales marketing.

The more people are aware of this the better!

But this is a bit OT so I will leave it there!

Ingrid

>

[Guest guest]

Great! Thanks, Randi..........Anita

Randi Airola <randiceaj@...> wrote: First Anita - ABSOLUTELY! I won't

put ANYTHING in public I don't want shared. If it's on a list, private or not, I

assume it's going to find its way one way or the other in a public arena, all of

which I don't care.

If it's PRIVATE - I will send something directly to the individual. Even though,

as we know, that still doesn't mean " private " - hey it's the internet, what can

you say...

Also Bob - TX is not MANDATED anymore. The Governor was overruled by the

Legislature, as it was determined he did not have the authority to skip the

legilsative process and make an executive order.

That does not however mean that other states will not try....

If that happens however, it will just take that state to become as active as

what TX did.

I really liked this motto: " You can mess with me - but, don't think you can mess

with my child " . And everyone said... AMEN!

[Guest guest]

You know what else would be very helpful? When you post a reply, please delete

all below on the posting form, as I have done here. That way, the conversation

is added to the topic, but we do not have to scroll through endless repetitions

of the same information. Those of us with limited computer capacities would

find the emails easier to store and all of us would find them easier to read.

Thanks for this bit of " netiquette " !

Yours in health and fredom,

Dr. Rima

[Guest guest]

You know what else would be very helpful? When you post a reply, please delete

all below on the posting form, as I have done here. That way, the conversation

is added to the topic, but we do not have to scroll through endless repetitions

of the same information. Those of us with limited computer capacities would

find the emails easier to store and all of us would find them easier to read.

Thanks for this bit of " netiquette " !

Yours in health and fredom,

Dr. Rima

[Guest guest]

But they should include the original post they are replying to or the response

might be hard to follow.

Just a thought.

<dr.laibow@...> wrote:

You know what else would be very helpful? When you post a reply, please delete

all below on the posting form, as I have done here. That way, the conversation

is added to the topic, but we do not have to scroll through endless repetitions

of the same information. Those of us with limited computer capacities would

find the emails easier to store and all of us would find them easier to read.

[Guest guest]

But they should include the original post they are replying to or the response

might be hard to follow.

Just a thought.

<dr.laibow@...> wrote:

You know what else would be very helpful? When you post a reply, please delete

all below on the posting form, as I have done here. That way, the conversation

is added to the topic, but we do not have to scroll through endless repetitions

of the same information. Those of us with limited computer capacities would

find the emails easier to store and all of us would find them easier to read.

[Guest guest]

I agree with Rima but with the proviso that one includes a couple of beginning lines of the post so people know which email one is responding to and maybe a line or two which contains the issue causing the response. I offer this as a possibility..... (This is what the chemtrail tracking group I belong to does.) You know what else would be very helpful? When you post a reply, please delete all below on the posting form, as I have done here. That way, the conversation is added to the topic, but we do not have to scroll through endless repetitions of the same information. Those of us with limited computer capacities would find the emails easier to store and all of us would find them easier to read.