Depression

May 21, 2004

I guess it didn't go through :-( sorry

Rick

www.whosyomama.com

Fw: Sometimes

May 22, 2004

Rick,

Depression is such a horrible thing but it can be treated. I know

for myself it has been a hard road coming to grips with the fact

that I will never be normal again and that my day in and day out

will be pain ridden.

I am handling it though. I told them I didn't want any medications

for it. I just don't want to take anymore pills but I am not ruling

it out in the future. Or I may take something short term when I get

really down.

For now I just think about what I can do - not what I have had to

give up. I can still sew - not for as many hours as I used to but I

can still do it and it brings me joy watching my quilts come

together. I can still enjoy the sunlight as it streams in my window

bringing all that healing heat with it. I can still enjoy my flower

gardens, I just take the weeds with it now... I can enjoy my family

and I watch them grow more and more each day.

God bless,

Althea

November 7, 2004

Hi....

The trace mineral lithium is awesome and is found naturally in Shilajit.....worked on my mom very quickly.

November 7, 2004

Thanks, Rodney!

Omega-3 fatty acids are well worth considering too. Stoll, M.D. from

Harvard is a

good place to start. The Omega-3 connection is a popular book that summarizes

much of

the research on the subject, and the research is compelling.

As a mental health professional I'm recommending Omega-3 supplementation often.

It's

also had impressive results with bipolar disorder and schizophrenia.

Tim

>

> Hi folks:

>

> There are three studies just out showing associations between

> nutrients and incidence of depression:

>

> 1) The first appears to show that folate deficiency may be a cause

> of depression:

>

> " Dietary folate and the risk of depression in finnish middle-aged

> men. A prospective follow-up study.

>

> Tolmunen T, Hintikka J, Ruusunen A, Voutilainen S, Tanskanen A,

> Valkonen VP, Viinamaki H, Kaplan GA, Salonen JT.

>

> Department of Psychiatry, University of Kuopio, Kuopio, Finland.

>

> BACKGROUND: Several cross-sectional studies have focused on the low

> blood folate levels of depressive patients. Nevertheless, no

> prospective studies have been published on the association between

> dietary folate and depression. METHODS: We studied the association

> between dietary folate and cobalamin and receiving a discharge

> diagnosis of depression in a prospective follow-up setting. Our

> cohort was recruited between 1984 and 1989 and followed until the end

> of 2000, and it consisted of 2,313 men aged between 42 and 60 years

> from eastern Finland. RESULTS: The mean intake of folate in the whole

> cohort was 256 microg/day (SD=76). Those below the median of energy-

> adjusted folate intake had higher risk of getting discharge diagnosis

> of depression (RR 3.04, 95% CI: 1.58, 5.86) during the follow-up

> period than those who had a folate intake above the median. This

> excess risk remained significant after adjustment for current

> socioeconomic status, the baseline HPL depression score, the energy-

> adjusted daily intake of fibre and vitamin C, and the total fat

> intake. CONCLUSIONS: A low dietary intake of folate may be a risk

> factor for severe depression. This also indicates that nutrition may

> have a role in the prevention of depression.

>

> PMID: 15479987 [PubMed - in process] "

>

> 2) The second shows that people who are depressed appear to have a

> low blood level of vitamin B-6. Although a causal link is not

> established:

>

> " Vitamin B6 level is associated with symptoms of depression.

>

> Hvas AM, Juul S, Bech P, Nexo E.

>

> Department of Clinical Biochemistry, Aarhus University Hospital, AKH,

> Aarhus, Denmark. am.hvas@d...

>

> BACKGROUND: A low level of vitamin B6 might theoretically cause

> depression as vitamin B6 is a cofactor in the tryptophan-serotonin

> pathway. In the present study, we examined the association between

> depression and the phosphate derivative of vitamin B6 in plasma,

> pyridoxal phosphate (PLP). METHODS: In 140 individuals, symptoms of

> depression were evaluated by the Major Depression Inventory, and

> biochemical markers of vitamin B deficiency were measured. RESULTS:

> We found that 18 (13%) individuals were depressed. A low plasma level

> of PLP was significantly associated with the depression score

> (p=0.002). No significant association was found between depression

> and plasma vitamin B12 (p=0.13), plasma methylmalonic acid (p=0.67),

> erythrocyte folate (p=0.77), and plasma total homocysteine (p=0.16).

> CONCLUSION: Our study suggests that a low level of plasma PLP is

> associated with symptoms of depression. Randomized trials are now

> justified and needed in order to examine whether treatment with

> vitamin B6 may improve symptoms of depression.

>

> PMID: 15479988 [PubMed - in process] "

>

> 3) The third shows that people who are depressed tend to have lower

> blood levels of alpha-tocopherol, but that IS UNRELATED to the intake

> of that nutrient:

>

> " Low plasma vitamin E levels in major depression: diet or disease?

>

> Owen AJ, Batterham MJ, Probst YC, Grenyer BF, Tapsell LC.

>

> 1Smart Foods Centre, Faculty of Health and Behavioural Sciences,

> University of Wollongong, Australia.

>

> OBJECTIVE:: Levels of vitamin E have been reported to be lower in

> patients suffering major depression, but whether this is due to

> inadequate dietary intake or the pathophysiology of depression is not

> known, and was the subject of the present study. SETTING::

> Wollongong, Australia. METHODS:: Plasma vitamin E (alpha-tocopherol)

> was measured in 49 adults with major depression, age (mean+/-s.d.):

> 47+/-12 y. In a subset (n=19) usual dietary intake of vitamin E was

> determined by diet history. RESULTS:: Subjects had significantly

> lower plasma alpha-tocopherol (4.71+/-0.13 Î¼mol/mmol cholesterol)

> than has previously been reported for healthy Australians, and plasma

> alpha-tocopherol was inversely related to depression score (by Beck

> Depression Inventory) (r=-0.367, P<0.009). Diet analysis indicated

> that 89% of subjects met or exceeded the recommended intake for

> vitamin E, and dietary intake was not related to plasma alpha-

> tocopherol level in this subset. CONCLUSION:: These findings suggest

> that plasma levels of alpha-tocopherol are lower in depression, but

> this is not likely to be the result of inability to meet recommended

> dietary intake. SPONSORSHIP:: This study was supported in part by the

> Clover Corporation and the Australian Research Council.European

> Journal of Clinical Nutrition advance online publication, 27 October

> 2004; doi:10.1038/sj.ejcn.1602072.

>

> PMID: 15508016 [PubMed - as supplied by publisher] "

November 7, 2004

Unfortunately, also has a relatively narrow window between doses that

are therapeutic and toxic, so be careful with this one!

On Sun, 7 Nov 2004 16:30:37 EST, md29again@... <md29again@...> wrote:

>

> Hi....

>

> The trace mineral lithium is awesome and is found naturally in

> Shilajit.....worked on my mom very quickly.

>

September 9, 2005

Molly,

I suffer from hypomania (like an overactive child) and now fighting to get

my implants out Oct 14. I have changed doctors and they give me anything I

want. I am a high risk cancer person. Mom-breast cancer-5 yrs old, her

aunt-10 yrs old, and grandmother (on dad's side). I heard this past Monday

that the silicone may be spreading. I am calling everyone on my cell phone

crying each place I go. After getting a copy of my breast exams I realized

since 2001 that noone has told me. My ignorant primary care doctor said it

was not leaking enough. Hey, I am at 75% deflated and why is he playing

God. I requested a high resolution (only a few in town) that will show even

my skeleton and any silicone or beginning growth of cancer. My cards

throughout the years say that I was okay. Can I do something?

Thanks,

Donna

Depression

> A woman on another forum was talking about her feelings of sadness, and

thoughts that

> life was not worth living. This is alarming to me, because I've been

there and know how

> serious depression can be. I posted this there, and would like to share

it.

>

> There are varying levels and types of depression. Depression often has a

hereditary factor,

> and people with a history of depression in their family are more likely to

experience

> depression.

> Situational depression may be more temporary, but can be very serious.

Situational

> depression is precipitated by severe stress. It is not uncommon for people

living with

> chronic illness to experience this kind of depression.

>

> And this is why I wanted to say something more about depression. Many of

us have

> become ill from implants. I was diagnosed with multiple autoimmune

diseases within a

> short period of time. I was unable to work and was dealing with constant

pain. Combine

> that with the worry over ruptured implants, and then surgery, and I went

into a long dark

> tunnel. I did not realize until nearly too late how seriously depressed I

was. As I talk with

> more women, I realize how common this is. I also am aware of how little it

is ever talked

> about.

>

> Here is a site you should look at, on depression:

> http://p102.ezboard.com/fimplantinformationnetworkfrm6.showMessage?

> topicID=788.topic

>

> I encourage ANYONE who has felt depressed for weeks (not just an

occasional blue day) to

> see a doctor about it. Especially if you are thinking life is not worth

living, and have felt

> that way for awhile, please do not try to 'handle' this on your own.

Depression IS treatable.

> It is no disgrace, or sign of weakness. It is an illness.

>

> Also, while on this subject, I'd also like to bring up another issue which

can affect those of

> us with chronic pain. Alcohol and most pain medication ARE depressants! If

you are

> depressed, stay AWAY from alcohol. Minimize any pain medication you are

taking, or talk

> to your doctor about that.

>

> I could go on for a long time about depression. It is very very serious.

> It is as serious as any of the autoimmune illnesses I have. It is life

threatening.

>

> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by

licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed

health care professional before commencing any medical treatment.

>

> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you.

Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a

happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing, two-time

Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

>

September 9, 2005

Not leaking enough??? WHat a moron!

You are getting the MRI, right? You have that scheduled?

That should help with insurance - is that your primary problem now, in

scheduling surgery

for explant? Once you get the MRI, then you should be able to document the need

for

surgery. I bet the MRI will show a rupture. My MRI showed a 'linguini' sign

that indicated

a bad rupture (not pasta lol). Armed with that, I'd then show it to your

primary care doc.

If he won't support your need to get an explant, find a new doc. My internist

wrote a letter

for my insurance to help document the need for explant, based on the MRI. And,

Dr. Kolb

(God love her) helped too.

I thank God I have an internist that now I have had for almost 10 years. She

has seen me

healthy and sick, and believes the implants caused my problems -- once she took

a look

at the path results, she was convinced. That's what I find so amazing...how

can some

doctors NOT see that implants trigger an autoimmune response when there are

giant cells

around the implants that indicate just that?

oy vey maria

> Molly,

> I suffer from hypomania (like an overactive child) and now fighting to get

> my implants out Oct 14. I have changed doctors and they give me anything I

> want. I am a high risk cancer person. Mom-breast cancer-5 yrs old, her

> aunt-10 yrs old, and grandmother (on dad's side). I heard this past Monday

> that the silicone may be spreading. I am calling everyone on my cell phone

> crying each place I go. After getting a copy of my breast exams I realized

> since 2001 that noone has told me. My ignorant primary care doctor said it

> was not leaking enough. Hey, I am at 75% deflated and why is he playing

> God. I requested a high resolution (only a few in town) that will show even

> my skeleton and any silicone or beginning growth of cancer. My cards

> throughout the years say that I was okay. Can I do something?

> Thanks,

> Donna

> Depression

>

> > A woman on another forum was talking about her feelings of sadness, and

> thoughts that

> > life was not worth living. This is alarming to me, because I've been

> there and know how

> > serious depression can be. I posted this there, and would like to share

> it.

> >

> > There are varying levels and types of depression. Depression often has a

> hereditary factor,

> > and people with a history of depression in their family are more likely to

> experience

> > depression.

> > Situational depression may be more temporary, but can be very serious.

> Situational

> > depression is precipitated by severe stress. It is not uncommon for people

> living with

> > chronic illness to experience this kind of depression.

> >

> > And this is why I wanted to say something more about depression. Many of

> us have

> > become ill from implants. I was diagnosed with multiple autoimmune

> diseases within a

> > short period of time. I was unable to work and was dealing with constant

> pain. Combine

> > that with the worry over ruptured implants, and then surgery, and I went

> into a long dark

> > tunnel. I did not realize until nearly too late how seriously depressed I

> was. As I talk with

> > more women, I realize how common this is. I also am aware of how little it

> is ever talked

> > about.

> >

> > Here is a site you should look at, on depression:

> > http://p102.ezboard.com/fimplantinformationnetworkfrm6.showMessage?

> > topicID=788.topic

> >

> > I encourage ANYONE who has felt depressed for weeks (not just an

> occasional blue day) to

> > see a doctor about it. Especially if you are thinking life is not worth

> living, and have felt

> > that way for awhile, please do not try to 'handle' this on your own.

> Depression IS treatable.

> > It is no disgrace, or sign of weakness. It is an illness.

> >

> > Also, while on this subject, I'd also like to bring up another issue which

> can affect those of

> > us with chronic pain. Alcohol and most pain medication ARE depressants! If

> you are

> > depressed, stay AWAY from alcohol. Minimize any pain medication you are

> taking, or talk

> > to your doctor about that.

> >

> > I could go on for a long time about depression. It is very very serious.

> > It is as serious as any of the autoimmune illnesses I have. It is life

> threatening.

> >

> > Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by

> licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed

> health care professional before commencing any medical treatment.

> >

> > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you.

> Find out what the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a

> happy life and how to work for a better world. " - Linus ing, two-time

> Nobel Prize Winner (1954, Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> >

September 9, 2005

Thank you Molly . . .

I can't tell you how many women we've seen come to the

group so sick they were suicidal! . . . However, once

they get their implants out, the clouds clear away,

and life becomes good again.

Any woman coming here sick and depressed needs to know

they are not mentally ill . . . They are sick! Anyone

with the health issues that come with implants is

going to be depressed! If they weren't they really

would be nuts! . . .

The good news is that there is light at the end of the

tunnel. . . Hang onto that hope and do what you have

to do to get to the end. Life can be great again!

Hugs and prayers for all,

Rogene

--- MollyBloom54 <jawlaw93@...> wrote:

> A woman on another forum was talking about her

> feelings of sadness, and thoughts

> that life was not worth living. This is alarming to

> me, because I've suffered from

> derpession and know how serious it can be. I posted

> this on the other forum, and would

> like to share it here.

>

> There are varying levels and types of depression.

> Depression often has a hereditary factor,

> and people with a history of depression in their

> family are more likely to experience

> depression. Situational depression may be more

> temporary, but can be very serious.

> Situational depression is precipitated by severe

> stress. It is not uncommon for people

> living with chronic illness to experience this kind

> of depression.

>

> And this is why I wanted to say something more about

> depression. Many of us have

> become ill from implants. I was diagnosed with

> multiple autoimmune diseases

> within a short period of time. I was unable to work

> and was dealing with constant pain.

> Combine that with the worry over ruptured implants,

> and then surgery, and I went into a

> long dark tunnel. I did not realize until nearly too

> late how seriously depressed I was.

> As I talk with more women, I realize how common this

> is. I also am aware of how little it is

> ever talked about.

>

> Here is a site you should look at, on depression:

>

http://www.nimh.nih.gov/healthinformation/depressionmenu.cfm

>

> I encourage ANYONE who has felt depressed for weeks

> (not just an occasional blue

> day) to see a doctor about it. Especially if you are

> thinking life is not worth living,

> and have felt that way for awhile, please do not try

> to 'handle' this on your own.

> Depression IS treatable. It is no disgrace, or sign

> of weakness.

>

> Also, while on this subject, I'd also like to bring

> up another issue which can

> affect those of us with chronic pain. Alcohol and

> most pain medication ARE depressants! If

> you are depressed, stay AWAY from alcohol. Minimize

> any pain medication you are taking,

> or talk to your doctor about that.

>

> I could go on for a long time about depression. It

> is very very serious.

> It is as serious as any of the autoimmune illnesses

> I have. It is life threatening.

>

September 9, 2005

I heard the same thing from a woman that trains at the gym I go to. She had huge lumps of silicone in her arm pits but her doctors (plastic surgeons) weren’t alarmed. One of her clients is a gynecologist and she was very alarmed. She was the one that pushed for tests and getting those implants out! The sad thing was this was her fourth implant surgery in nine years, three sets ruptured, two silicone and one saline. She was reimplanted after removing the silicone and lymph nodes.

Kenda

Not leaking enough??? WHat a moron!

You are getting the MRI, right? You have that scheduled?

That should help with insurance - is that your primary problem now, in scheduling surgery

for explant? Once you get the MRI, then you should be able to document the need for

surgery. I bet the MRI will show a rupture. My MRI showed a 'linguini' sign that indicated

a bad rupture (not pasta lol). Armed with that, I'd then show it to your primary care doc.

If he won't support your need to get an explant, find a new doc. My internist wrote a letter

for my insurance to help document the need for explant, based on the MRI. And, Dr. Kolb

(God love her) helped too.

I thank God I have an internist that now I have had for almost 10 years. She has seen me

healthy and sick, and believes the implants caused my problems -- once she took a look

at the path results, she was convinced. That's what I find so amazing...how can some

doctors NOT see that implants trigger an autoimmune response when there are giant cells