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I was dx'd with RA last June and also discovered that I also have

(HH)hemochromatosis double gene mutation. SO.......my liver might

not be able to handle the meds that I need to take. Currently I am

on sulfasalazine. I was on prednisone for 6 weeks. That was

recently dc'd. I also took plaquenal for 12 weeks but found that I

wasn't feeling well so the doctor dc'd that to see if it was making

me feel awful. I stil felt the same so it probably wasn't the

plaquenal.

My last visit to the rheumy he stated that he wanted to start me on

methytrexate if the hepatologist would permit it. The hepatologist

that I had a consult with stated that he didnot feel that there

would be any problem with any meds that I took. From my research on

HH there will be a problem. I felt like the hepatologist wasn't

taking my medical history both past and future need seriously.

Hemachromatosis is a very under-diagnosed disease. If diagnosed

early enough the damage done to all the organs (not only the liver)

can be prevented. It was fortunate that this was discovered before

any damage had been done.

http://digestive.niddk.nih.gov/ddiseases/pubs/hemochromatosis/index.h

tm#top

Thus, my question to anyone out there.... Is there anyone else that

has a similar problem, either HH or other liver related disorder

that has caused problems with the meds for RA? Currently my liver

tests (enzymes) are within normal range but they have been elavated

in the past, my ferritin is borderline high and the iron sat. rate

is also high.

To make matters worse this week I recieved a call from my primary

care doc stating that my cholesterol is still too high despite

dietary change. I need to start on a statin or other drug to lower

it. Those can also be toxic to liver function. When I see my PC I

will ask for a referral to another hepatologist that will do a liver

biopsy before I start any new meds. (The last one didnot think one

needed to be done.)

I feel very old at the age of 46. (sorry for all the spelling

errors. i can't find the spell check?)

Thanks for reading this far! Brenny

mylajkitten@...

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I think you are prudent to seek a second

opinion before using medications that may be hard on the liver. I have

had no problem with Methotrexate but it is known to be hard on the liver so it

is recommended that people taking it avoid alcohol or anything else hard on the

liver.

If you might have trouble with the more

conventional medications for RA you might consider antibiotic therapy with

Minocycline or one of its relatives. These might be much easier on the

liver and clinical trials indicate they are about equally effective to the more

common RA medications. Also some people benefit from changes in diet and

nutrition if they either have dietary deficiencies such as vitamin or mineral

deficiencies, or food sensitivity or allergy.

http://www.drcranton.com/elimination_diet.htm

The above link is an example of a diet

that may help to identify whether a food or food group is contributing to your

problems. Either antibiotic treatment or dietary changes can take some

time (several months) to show much effect but if successful is usually devoid

of side effects. Not all rheumatologists are willing to use antibiotic

therapy and usually a nutritionist is better than a rheumatologist for guiding

dietary changes. You might also find some dietary changes that help your

cholesterol levels.

I’m not medically trained but these

are some ideas to discuss with your doctors. God bless.

From: Rheumatoid Arthritis [mailto:Rheumatoid Arthritis ] On Behalf Of Brenny

Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006

3:30 PM

Rheumatoid Arthritis

Subject: RA

w/ liver problems

I was dx'd with RA last June and also discovered that

I also have

(HH)hemochromatosis double gene mutation. SO.......my liver might

not be able to handle the meds that I need to take. Currently I am

on sulfasalazine. I was on prednisone for 6 weeks. That was

recently dc'd. I also took plaquenal for 12 weeks but found that I

wasn't feeling well so the doctor dc'd that to see if it was making

me feel awful. I stil felt the same so it probably wasn't the

plaquenal.

My last visit to the rheumy he stated that he wanted to start me on

methytrexate if the hepatologist would permit it. The hepatologist

that I had a consult with stated that he didnot feel that there

would be any problem with any meds that I took. From my research on

HH there will be a problem. I felt like the hepatologist wasn't

taking my medical history both past and future need seriously.

Hemachromatosis is a very under-diagnosed disease. If diagnosed

early enough the damage done to all the organs (not only the liver)

can be prevented. It was fortunate that this was discovered before

any damage had been done.

http://digestive.niddk.nih.gov/ddiseases/pubs/hemochromatosis/index.h

tm#top

Thus, my question to anyone out there.... Is there anyone else that

has a similar problem, either HH or other liver related disorder

that has caused problems with the meds for RA? Currently my liver

tests (enzymes) are within normal range but they have been elavated

in the past, my ferritin is borderline high and the iron sat. rate

is also high.

To make matters worse this week I recieved a call from my primary

care doc stating that my cholesterol is still too high despite

dietary change. I need to start on a statin or other drug to lower

it. Those can also be toxic to liver function. When I see my PC I

will ask for a referral to another hepatologist that will do a liver

biopsy before I start any new meds. (The last one didnot think one

needed to be done.)

I feel very old at the age of 46. (sorry for all the spelling

errors. i can't find the spell check?)

Thanks for reading this far! Brenny

mylajkittengmail

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-Hi,

I had to stop methotrexate and prednisone therapy because it made me

have elevated liver enzymes. I am on humira weekly and I no longer

have the elevated liver enzymes...but..the pain has gotten worse.

Hang in there, and listen to Harold, he seems to really want to help

everyone with this thing.

By the way Harold, thank you for all the info you research. I look

forward to the info from you almost daily. You are a great asset to

this group.

Hugs and God bless,

Gloria in OK

-- In Rheumatoid Arthritis , " Harold Van Tuyl "

<hvantuyl@...> wrote:

>

> I think you are prudent to seek a second opinion before using

medications

> that may be hard on the liver. I have had no problem with

Methotrexate but

> it is known to be hard on the liver so it is recommended that

people taking

> it avoid alcohol or anything else hard on the liver.

>

>

>

> If you might have trouble with the more conventional medications

for RA you

> might consider antibiotic therapy with Minocycline or one of its

relatives.

> These might be much easier on the liver and clinical trials

indicate they

> are about equally effective to the more common RA medications.

Also some

> people benefit from changes in diet and nutrition if they either

have

> dietary deficiencies such as vitamin or mineral deficiencies, or

food

> sensitivity or allergy.

>

> http://www.drcranton.com/elimination_diet.htm

>

> The above link is an example of a diet that may help to identify

whether a

> food or food group is contributing to your problems. Either

antibiotic

> treatment or dietary changes can take some time (several months)

to show

> much effect but if successful is usually devoid of side effects.

Not all

> rheumatologists are willing to use antibiotic therapy and usually a

> nutritionist is better than a rheumatologist for guiding dietary

changes.

> You might also find some dietary changes that help your

cholesterol levels.

>

>

>

> I'm not medically trained but these are some ideas to discuss with

your

> doctors. God bless.

>

>

>

> _____

>

> From: Rheumatoid Arthritis

> [mailto:Rheumatoid Arthritis ] On Behalf Of Brenny

> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 3:30 PM

> Rheumatoid Arthritis

> Subject: RA w/ liver problems

>

>

>

> I was dx'd with RA last June and also discovered that I also have

> (HH)hemochromatosis double gene mutation. SO.......my liver might

> not be able to handle the meds that I need to take. Currently I am

> on sulfasalazine. I was on prednisone for 6 weeks. That was

> recently dc'd. I also took plaquenal for 12 weeks but found that I

> wasn't feeling well so the doctor dc'd that to see if it was

making

> me feel awful. I stil felt the same so it probably wasn't the

> plaquenal.

> My last visit to the rheumy he stated that he wanted to start me

on

> methytrexate if the hepatologist would permit it. The hepatologist

> that I had a consult with stated that he didnot feel that there

> would be any problem with any meds that I took. From my research

on

> HH there will be a problem. I felt like the hepatologist wasn't

> taking my medical history both past and future need seriously.

> Hemachromatosis is a very under-diagnosed disease. If diagnosed

> early enough the damage done to all the organs (not only the

liver)

> can be prevented. It was fortunate that this was discovered before

> any damage had been done.

> http://digestive.

>

<http://digestive.niddk.nih.gov/ddiseases/pubs/hemochromatosis/index.

h>

> niddk.nih.gov/ddiseases/pubs/hemochromatosis/index.h

> tm#top

> Thus, my question to anyone out there.... Is there anyone else

that

> has a similar problem, either HH or other liver related disorder

> that has caused problems with the meds for RA? Currently my liver

> tests (enzymes) are within normal range but they have been

elavated

> in the past, my ferritin is borderline high and the iron sat. rate

> is also high.

> To make matters worse this week I recieved a call from my primary

> care doc stating that my cholesterol is still too high despite

> dietary change. I need to start on a statin or other drug to lower

> it. Those can also be toxic to liver function. When I see my PC I

> will ask for a referral to another hepatologist that will do a

liver

> biopsy before I start any new meds. (The last one didnot think one

> needed to be done.)

> I feel very old at the age of 46. (sorry for all the spelling

> errors. i can't find the spell check?)

> Thanks for reading this far! Brenny

> mylajkitten@ <mailto:mylajkitten%40gmail.com> gmail.com

>

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