Guest guest Posted November 10, 2006 Report Share Posted November 10, 2006 I was dx'd with RA last June and also discovered that I also have (HH)hemochromatosis double gene mutation. SO.......my liver might not be able to handle the meds that I need to take. Currently I am on sulfasalazine. I was on prednisone for 6 weeks. That was recently dc'd. I also took plaquenal for 12 weeks but found that I wasn't feeling well so the doctor dc'd that to see if it was making me feel awful. I stil felt the same so it probably wasn't the plaquenal. My last visit to the rheumy he stated that he wanted to start me on methytrexate if the hepatologist would permit it. The hepatologist that I had a consult with stated that he didnot feel that there would be any problem with any meds that I took. From my research on HH there will be a problem. I felt like the hepatologist wasn't taking my medical history both past and future need seriously. Hemachromatosis is a very under-diagnosed disease. If diagnosed early enough the damage done to all the organs (not only the liver) can be prevented. It was fortunate that this was discovered before any damage had been done. http://digestive.niddk.nih.gov/ddiseases/pubs/hemochromatosis/index.h tm#top Thus, my question to anyone out there.... Is there anyone else that has a similar problem, either HH or other liver related disorder that has caused problems with the meds for RA? Currently my liver tests (enzymes) are within normal range but they have been elavated in the past, my ferritin is borderline high and the iron sat. rate is also high. To make matters worse this week I recieved a call from my primary care doc stating that my cholesterol is still too high despite dietary change. I need to start on a statin or other drug to lower it. Those can also be toxic to liver function. When I see my PC I will ask for a referral to another hepatologist that will do a liver biopsy before I start any new meds. (The last one didnot think one needed to be done.) I feel very old at the age of 46. (sorry for all the spelling errors. i can't find the spell check?) Thanks for reading this far! Brenny mylajkitten@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2006 Report Share Posted November 11, 2006 I think you are prudent to seek a second opinion before using medications that may be hard on the liver. I have had no problem with Methotrexate but it is known to be hard on the liver so it is recommended that people taking it avoid alcohol or anything else hard on the liver. If you might have trouble with the more conventional medications for RA you might consider antibiotic therapy with Minocycline or one of its relatives. These might be much easier on the liver and clinical trials indicate they are about equally effective to the more common RA medications. Also some people benefit from changes in diet and nutrition if they either have dietary deficiencies such as vitamin or mineral deficiencies, or food sensitivity or allergy. http://www.drcranton.com/elimination_diet.htm The above link is an example of a diet that may help to identify whether a food or food group is contributing to your problems. Either antibiotic treatment or dietary changes can take some time (several months) to show much effect but if successful is usually devoid of side effects. Not all rheumatologists are willing to use antibiotic therapy and usually a nutritionist is better than a rheumatologist for guiding dietary changes. You might also find some dietary changes that help your cholesterol levels. I’m not medically trained but these are some ideas to discuss with your doctors. God bless. From: Rheumatoid Arthritis [mailto:Rheumatoid Arthritis ] On Behalf Of Brenny Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 3:30 PM Rheumatoid Arthritis Subject: RA w/ liver problems I was dx'd with RA last June and also discovered that I also have (HH)hemochromatosis double gene mutation. SO.......my liver might not be able to handle the meds that I need to take. Currently I am on sulfasalazine. I was on prednisone for 6 weeks. That was recently dc'd. I also took plaquenal for 12 weeks but found that I wasn't feeling well so the doctor dc'd that to see if it was making me feel awful. I stil felt the same so it probably wasn't the plaquenal. My last visit to the rheumy he stated that he wanted to start me on methytrexate if the hepatologist would permit it. The hepatologist that I had a consult with stated that he didnot feel that there would be any problem with any meds that I took. From my research on HH there will be a problem. I felt like the hepatologist wasn't taking my medical history both past and future need seriously. Hemachromatosis is a very under-diagnosed disease. If diagnosed early enough the damage done to all the organs (not only the liver) can be prevented. It was fortunate that this was discovered before any damage had been done. http://digestive.niddk.nih.gov/ddiseases/pubs/hemochromatosis/index.h tm#top Thus, my question to anyone out there.... Is there anyone else that has a similar problem, either HH or other liver related disorder that has caused problems with the meds for RA? Currently my liver tests (enzymes) are within normal range but they have been elavated in the past, my ferritin is borderline high and the iron sat. rate is also high. To make matters worse this week I recieved a call from my primary care doc stating that my cholesterol is still too high despite dietary change. I need to start on a statin or other drug to lower it. Those can also be toxic to liver function. When I see my PC I will ask for a referral to another hepatologist that will do a liver biopsy before I start any new meds. (The last one didnot think one needed to be done.) I feel very old at the age of 46. (sorry for all the spelling errors. i can't find the spell check?) Thanks for reading this far! Brenny mylajkittengmail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2006 Report Share Posted November 11, 2006 -Hi, I had to stop methotrexate and prednisone therapy because it made me have elevated liver enzymes. I am on humira weekly and I no longer have the elevated liver enzymes...but..the pain has gotten worse. Hang in there, and listen to Harold, he seems to really want to help everyone with this thing. By the way Harold, thank you for all the info you research. I look forward to the info from you almost daily. You are a great asset to this group. Hugs and God bless, Gloria in OK -- In Rheumatoid Arthritis , " Harold Van Tuyl " <hvantuyl@...> wrote: > > I think you are prudent to seek a second opinion before using medications > that may be hard on the liver. I have had no problem with Methotrexate but > it is known to be hard on the liver so it is recommended that people taking > it avoid alcohol or anything else hard on the liver. > > > > If you might have trouble with the more conventional medications for RA you > might consider antibiotic therapy with Minocycline or one of its relatives. > These might be much easier on the liver and clinical trials indicate they > are about equally effective to the more common RA medications. Also some > people benefit from changes in diet and nutrition if they either have > dietary deficiencies such as vitamin or mineral deficiencies, or food > sensitivity or allergy. > > http://www.drcranton.com/elimination_diet.htm > > The above link is an example of a diet that may help to identify whether a > food or food group is contributing to your problems. Either antibiotic > treatment or dietary changes can take some time (several months) to show > much effect but if successful is usually devoid of side effects. Not all > rheumatologists are willing to use antibiotic therapy and usually a > nutritionist is better than a rheumatologist for guiding dietary changes. > You might also find some dietary changes that help your cholesterol levels. > > > > I'm not medically trained but these are some ideas to discuss with your > doctors. God bless. > > > > _____ > > From: Rheumatoid Arthritis > [mailto:Rheumatoid Arthritis ] On Behalf Of Brenny > Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 3:30 PM > Rheumatoid Arthritis > Subject: RA w/ liver problems > > > > I was dx'd with RA last June and also discovered that I also have > (HH)hemochromatosis double gene mutation. SO.......my liver might > not be able to handle the meds that I need to take. Currently I am > on sulfasalazine. I was on prednisone for 6 weeks. That was > recently dc'd. I also took plaquenal for 12 weeks but found that I > wasn't feeling well so the doctor dc'd that to see if it was making > me feel awful. I stil felt the same so it probably wasn't the > plaquenal. > My last visit to the rheumy he stated that he wanted to start me on > methytrexate if the hepatologist would permit it. The hepatologist > that I had a consult with stated that he didnot feel that there > would be any problem with any meds that I took. From my research on > HH there will be a problem. I felt like the hepatologist wasn't > taking my medical history both past and future need seriously. > Hemachromatosis is a very under-diagnosed disease. If diagnosed > early enough the damage done to all the organs (not only the liver) > can be prevented. It was fortunate that this was discovered before > any damage had been done. > http://digestive. > <http://digestive.niddk.nih.gov/ddiseases/pubs/hemochromatosis/index. h> > niddk.nih.gov/ddiseases/pubs/hemochromatosis/index.h > tm#top > Thus, my question to anyone out there.... Is there anyone else that > has a similar problem, either HH or other liver related disorder > that has caused problems with the meds for RA? Currently my liver > tests (enzymes) are within normal range but they have been elavated > in the past, my ferritin is borderline high and the iron sat. rate > is also high. > To make matters worse this week I recieved a call from my primary > care doc stating that my cholesterol is still too high despite > dietary change. I need to start on a statin or other drug to lower > it. Those can also be toxic to liver function. When I see my PC I > will ask for a referral to another hepatologist that will do a liver > biopsy before I start any new meds. (The last one didnot think one > needed to be done.) > I feel very old at the age of 46. (sorry for all the spelling > errors. i can't find the spell check?) > Thanks for reading this far! Brenny > mylajkitten@ <mailto:mylajkitten%40gmail.com> gmail.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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