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The way this paragraph is written is a little confusing.

"You can play around with this and amaze your friends and patients by askingthe person to stare at a removable red or orange circle held over a whitebackground. When you remove the red circle the person should see apersistent orange or red image instead of the complementary color (blue)which would be seen by an individual with an intact serotonergic system."

From the way I read it, it would seem that a person with an intact serotonergic system would see the complimentary blue color, rather than orange or red, but you inserted your own comments indicating that if blue is seen, then there has been damage to the serotonergic system....

Maybe I'm just seeing double tonight... Can you please read over that paragraph again, and insert your comments again? I just want to be sure I'm understanding correctly.

Thanks,The Avenging Angel

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Hi Everybody,

Here's a really interesting admission. My comments are marked **:

Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 13:05:49 -0400

From: Lee Dante <ldante@...>

Subject: Medication visual trails

Dante says:

" Visual trails are quite an interesting side effect of a number of

psychoactive medications including Serzone. Presumably this is related to

the mother of all visual trail producing substances: LSD. After 20-40 trips

a lot of people damage their serotonergic system and impair the ability of

5HT to dampen the visual image after it passes a particular spot on the

retina. "

** In other words, if damage has been done to the serotonergic system,

you will experience this phenomenon.

Dante continues:

" I went to an illuminating (no pun intended) talk at last year's American

Psychiatric Electrophysiology meetings. "

" You can play around with this and amaze your friends and patients by asking

the person to stare at a removable red or orange circle held over a white

background. When you remove the red circle the person should see a

persistent orange or red image instead of the complementary color (blue)

which would be seen by an individual with an intact serotonergic system. "

** If you see the color blue, you have damage to your serotenergic system.

This means that the drugs have damaged your brain's ability to properly

transport serotonin.. Do you really think this is an unintended error

(side effect) by the pharmaceutical companies? Since science has been

able to clone the cDNA that encodes the serotonin transporter, they

have been able to affect this protein at a molecular level. Candace Pert

speaks the way she does because she is aware of this. But don't think

for a moment that most doctors know. They don't. They trust, as you have

trusted, the pharmaceutical companies.

In another post, Jamo expressed:

" If you scroll down through the questions these docs are

asking, don't you find it so HARD to believe that these guys aren't

seeing some sort of pattern here? Geez! And they went to school for

eight years to come out unable to see clinical signs of distress in

their patients... "

** Physicians are taught that patients misinterpret what is

happening with them, and to trust nothing except ACCEPTED

medical literature.

WHO writes the literature on drugs? WHO does the write-ups

fro the PDR? The pharmaceutical companies do, of course. In

these materials, they are not going to tell you anything they don't

want you to know. Why can't physicians figure it out? Most

physicians are not pharmacologists. They have only a basic

understanfding of how drugs work. Their understanding comes

from what the pharmaceutical companies teach.

There is no reason to believe that physicians are any different

from the general public. In any given profession, about ten percent

of people are truly gifted at their work. Medicine does not attract

any more gifted people than teaching attracts. A physician-to-be has

to have one thing - a good memory. The ability to critically reason is

not a prerequisite. Illustrating this is today's common practice of giving

residents and interns diagnostic programs like the one below:

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most other clinicians. You have probably wondered if there was a book

available that could lead you from symptom to diagnosis through a series of

logical steps.

This is precisely what has been captured in this new book entitled the

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Clinician's Guide series, which also includes the Clinician's Guide to

Laboratory Medicine: A Practical Approach, this new book offers an

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in the evaluation of a patient's symptom.

You will find that the Clinician's Guide to Diagnosis: A Practical Approach

offers:

Up to date information

Unique step-by-step approach to the evaluation of a patient's symptom

Practical approaches that are not readily available in standard textbooks

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Guidance to help you make informed clinical diagnoses

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and related terms.

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What you see above is now common practice in medicine. Cookbook

medicine.

Most people think of medicine as sophisticated. It's actually pretty

primitive in that as far as chemistry goes, we are, for the most part,

guessing - shooting in the dark. Those who know a little more are

researchers, but research and medicine seldom interact.

Okay, I've rambled enough. I just want to add that I'm exploring targeted

amino acids for people who have taken SSRIs and SNRIs. I cautiously say

the preliminary findings are promising.

Regards,