Re: Best thing that ever happened to my back

[Guest guest]

Dave

 a most interesting post indeed-

I am a member of J-Hopkins outpatient bi polar research-- actually entered a

gene study they did 20 years ago, and I am going to leave them part of my estate

when I pass away for research for Bi Polar-- you could not have found a better

place to take your wife to.

If you don't mind me asking, how much Vicodin was your wife on daily?

I am taking 30 mg a day and it gets me out of bed and functioning. I am allergic

to NSAIDS-- and SSI's make me manic. The drugs to treat the pain I am on are

very limited.Thus the Hydrocodone.

 I have Fibromylagia, and also muscle condition called PMR,( google it) and too,

the C -Spine issues that are really painful for which I am getting the epidurals

for-- so 3 different chronic problems--and only one oral medication that I am

able to take--lyrica was terrible and any of the other meds like cymbalta, etc

conflicted with stablizing my bi polar -- i am between a rock and a hard place .

Annie

 A poet is, after all, to see

________________________________

From: Dave Cruikshank <d.cruikshank@...>

neck pain

Sent: Wed, May 5, 2010 12:34:23 AM

Subject: Best thing that ever happened to my back

My wife was in s Hopkins hospital last week for 5 days. She was

there getting evaluated and treated for chronic migraines.

Unfortunately what they tried didn't help, but they told her there

was only a 10-15% chance of success going in. The reason why was

because she has had migraines since she was 16-17 and daily headaches

since her mid 20's. She is now 45. They told her that she waited too

long to seek help. That after such a long period as 20 years the

brain remaps itself and thinks pain is the norm.  I'm sure this is

the case with many of us at this point.  They also told her that

taking opiates such as Vicoden actually hurts in the end. That they

would never be able to help her until she got off the Vicoden, which

she had been on for 3 years. She ended up taking herself off cold

turkey. It took her about 1.5 weeks of hell, but she did it. That is

not how they wanted her to do it, they wanted her to come into the

hospital and they would detox her.  Anyway long term use of opiates

just changes the way our nerve endings and brain perceive pain and

how our body fights it. It takes so much more pain killers to mask

the pain after years of opiates and it hinders the bodies own ability

to fight it.  But that's not why I wrote this.

I was going to stay with her in Baltimore, but I was going to get a

hotel room.  Well the nursing staff surprised us. They said since she

had a private room I could stay with her. So they found me a bed. I

got a regular hospital bed with adjustable head and feet. Well.... I

slept like a rock, I never sleep at home. My pain level was way

down.  I skipped over 1/2 my meds and didn't miss them. I also get a

massage every night before bed. I didn't get or need that.  Besides

being adjustable the bed was also firm.  I like a firm bed.  My wife

on the other hand had a hard time sleeping because she likes a softer

bed.  So we are definitely buying an adjustable bed. I'm spending $55

a week on massage right now, that really helps but it is short term.

So I may as well make payments on the bed. The Sleep number in a

split frame with adjustments is like $6200.00 To me that's a car not

a bed, but it is a long term investment and for me and my wifes pain

it's a need not a luxury.  We did find a less expensive manufacturer

called Comfort Aire which is the originator of the sleep number bed.

Theirs cost about $3800.  We are going to look at it this

weekend.  The least expensive option would be to buy a used

Craftmatic or Hospital bed.  I see them in the newspaper often for

about $2-300.00  But that means we would have to sleep separate. I

told my wife long ago that when we sleep in separate beds it's over,

we are big snugglers. So for ME, the right bed made a world of

difference.  Dave

------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

go to dr. luigi canepa in san jose to have your neck fixed....

" you are what you think about "

________________________________

From: Ann Wood Fuller <gatorma1@...>

neck pain

Sent: Tue, May 4, 2010 10:23:26 PM

Subject: Re: Best thing that ever happened to my back

Dave

a most interesting post indeed-

I am a member of J-Hopkins outpatient bi polar research-- actually entered a

gene study they did 20 years ago, and I am going to leave them part of my estate

when I pass away for research for Bi Polar-- you could not have found a better

place to take your wife to.

If you don't mind me asking, how much Vicodin was your wife on daily?

I am taking 30 mg a day and it gets me out of bed and functioning. I am allergic

to NSAIDS-- and SSI's make me manic. The drugs to treat the pain I am on are

very limited.Thus the Hydrocodone.

I have Fibromylagia, and also muscle condition called PMR,( google it) and too,

the C -Spine issues that are really painful for which I am getting the epidurals

for-- so 3 different chronic problems--and only one oral medication that I am

able to take--lyrica was terrible and any of the other meds like cymbalta, etc

conflicted with stablizing my bi polar -- i am between a rock and a hard place .

Annie

A poet is, after all, to see

____________ _________ _________ __

From: Dave Cruikshank <d.cruikshank@ comcast.net>

PainInTheNeck- Back@groups .com

Sent: Wed, May 5, 2010 12:34:23 AM

Subject: [PainInTheNeck- Back] Best thing that ever happened to my back

My wife was in s Hopkins hospital last week for 5 days. She was

there getting evaluated and treated for chronic migraines.

Unfortunately what they tried didn't help, but they told her there

was only a 10-15% chance of success going in. The reason why was

because she has had migraines since she was 16-17 and daily headaches

since her mid 20's. She is now 45. They told her that she waited too

long to seek help. That after such a long period as 20 years the

brain remaps itself and thinks pain is the norm. I'm sure this is

the case with many of us at this point. They also told her that

taking opiates such as Vicoden actually hurts in the end. That they

would never be able to help her until she got off the Vicoden, which

she had been on for 3 years. She ended up taking herself off cold

turkey. It took her about 1.5 weeks of hell, but she did it. That is

not how they wanted her to do it, they wanted her to come into the

hospital and they would detox her. Anyway long term use of opiates

just changes the way our nerve endings and brain perceive pain and

how our body fights it. It takes so much more pain killers to mask

the pain after years of opiates and it hinders the bodies own ability

to fight it. But that's not why I wrote this.

I was going to stay with her in Baltimore, but I was going to get a

hotel room. Well the nursing staff surprised us. They said since she

had a private room I could stay with her. So they found me a bed. I

got a regular hospital bed with adjustable head and feet. Well.... I

slept like a rock, I never sleep at home. My pain level was way

down. I skipped over 1/2 my meds and didn't miss them. I also get a

massage every night before bed. I didn't get or need that. Besides

being adjustable the bed was also firm. I like a firm bed. My wife

on the other hand had a hard time sleeping because she likes a softer

bed. So we are definitely buying an adjustable bed. I'm spending $55

a week on massage right now, that really helps but it is short term.

So I may as well make payments on the bed. The Sleep number in a

split frame with adjustments is like $6200.00 To me that's a car not

a bed, but it is a long term investment and for me and my wifes pain

it's a need not a luxury. We did find a less expensive manufacturer

called Comfort Aire which is the originator of the sleep number bed.

Theirs cost about $3800. We are going to look at it this

weekend. The least expensive option would be to buy a used

Craftmatic or Hospital bed. I see them in the newspaper often for

about $2-300.00 But that means we would have to sleep separate. I

told my wife long ago that when we sleep in separate beds it's over,

we are big snugglers. So for ME, the right bed made a world of

difference. Dave

------------ --------- --------- ------

[Guest guest]

?????

MY POST WAS DIRECTED TO DAVE

 A poet is, after all, to see

________________________________

From: ariella vanderveen <ariellav@...>

neck pain

Sent: Wed, May 5, 2010 10:13:40 AM

Subject: Re: Best thing that ever happened to my back

go to dr. luigi canepa in san jose to have your neck fixed....

" you are what you think about "

________________________________

From: Ann Wood Fuller <gatorma1@...>

neck pain

Sent: Tue, May 4, 2010 10:23:26 PM

Subject: Re: Best thing that ever happened to my back

 

Dave

a most interesting post indeed-

I am a member of J-Hopkins outpatient bi polar research-- actually entered a

gene study they did 20 years ago, and I am going to leave them part of my estate

when I pass away for research for Bi Polar-- you could not have found a better

place to take your wife to.

If you don't mind me asking, how much Vicodin was your wife on daily?

I am taking 30 mg a day and it gets me out of bed and functioning. I am allergic

to NSAIDS-- and SSI's make me manic. The drugs to treat the pain I am on are

very limited.Thus the Hydrocodone.

I have Fibromylagia, and also muscle condition called PMR,( google it) and too,

the C -Spine issues that are really painful for which I am getting the epidurals

for-- so 3 different chronic problems--and only one oral medication that I am

able to take--lyrica was terrible and any of the other meds like cymbalta, etc

conflicted with stablizing my bi polar -- i am between a rock and a hard place .

Annie

A poet is, after all, to see

____________ _________ _________ __

From: Dave Cruikshank <d.cruikshank@ comcast.net>

PainInTheNeck- Back@groups .com

Sent: Wed, May 5, 2010 12:34:23 AM

Subject: [PainInTheNeck- Back] Best thing that ever happened to my back

My wife was in s Hopkins hospital last week for 5 days. She was

there getting evaluated and treated for chronic migraines.

Unfortunately what they tried didn't help, but they told her there

was only a 10-15% chance of success going in. The reason why was

because she has had migraines since she was 16-17 and daily headaches

since her mid 20's. She is now 45. They told her that she waited too

long to seek help. That after such a long period as 20 years the

brain remaps itself and thinks pain is the norm.  I'm sure this is

the case with many of us at this point.  They also told her that

taking opiates such as Vicoden actually hurts in the end. That they

would never be able to help her until she got off the Vicoden, which

she had been on for 3 years. She ended up taking herself off cold

turkey. It took her about 1.5 weeks of hell, but she did it. That is

not how they wanted her to do it, they wanted her to come into the

hospital and they would detox her.  Anyway long term use of opiates

just changes the way our nerve endings and brain perceive pain and

how our body fights it. It takes so much more pain killers to mask

the pain after years of opiates and it hinders the bodies own ability

to fight it.  But that's not why I wrote this.

I was going to stay with her in Baltimore, but I was going to get a

hotel room.  Well the nursing staff surprised us. They said since she

had a private room I could stay with her. So they found me a bed. I

got a regular hospital bed with adjustable head and feet. Well.... I

slept like a rock, I never sleep at home. My pain level was way

down.  I skipped over 1/2 my meds and didn't miss them. I also get a

massage every night before bed. I didn't get or need that.  Besides

being adjustable the bed was also firm.  I like a firm bed.  My wife

on the other hand had a hard time sleeping because she likes a softer

bed.  So we are definitely buying an adjustable bed. I'm spending $55

a week on massage right now, that really helps but it is short term.

So I may as well make payments on the bed. The Sleep number in a

split frame with adjustments is like $6200.00 To me that's a car not

a bed, but it is a long term investment and for me and my wifes pain

it's a need not a luxury.  We did find a less expensive manufacturer

called Comfort Aire which is the originator of the sleep number bed.

Theirs cost about $3800.  We are going to look at it this

weekend.  The least expensive option would be to buy a used

Craftmatic or Hospital bed.  I see them in the newspaper often for

about $2-300.00  But that means we would have to sleep separate. I

told my wife long ago that when we sleep in separate beds it's over,

we are big snugglers. So for ME, the right bed made a world of

difference.  Dave

------------ --------- --------- ------

[Guest guest]

ok...don't save your life!

" you are what you think about "

________________________________

From: Ann Wood Fuller <gatorma1@...>

neck pain

Sent: Wed, May 5, 2010 7:35:53 AM

Subject: Re: Best thing that ever happened to my back

?????

MY POST WAS DIRECTED TO DAVE

A poet is, after all, to see

____________ _________ _________ __

From: ariella vanderveen <ariellavsbcglobal (DOT) net>

PainInTheNeck- Back@groups .com

Sent: Wed, May 5, 2010 10:13:40 AM

Subject: Re: [PainInTheNeck- Back] Best thing that ever happened to my back

go to dr. luigi canepa in san jose to have your neck fixed....

" you are what you think about "

____________ _________ _________ __

From: Ann Wood Fuller <gatorma1 (DOT) com>

PainInTheNeck- Back@groups .com

Sent: Tue, May 4, 2010 10:23:26 PM

Subject: Re: [PainInTheNeck- Back] Best thing that ever happened to my back

Dave

a most interesting post indeed-

I am a member of J-Hopkins outpatient bi polar research-- actually entered a

gene study they did 20 years ago, and I am going to leave them part of my estate

when I pass away for research for Bi Polar-- you could not have found a better

place to take your wife to.

If you don't mind me asking, how much Vicodin was your wife on daily?

I am taking 30 mg a day and it gets me out of bed and functioning. I am allergic

to NSAIDS-- and SSI's make me manic. The drugs to treat the pain I am on are

very limited.Thus the Hydrocodone.

I have Fibromylagia, and also muscle condition called PMR,( google it) and too,

the C -Spine issues that are really painful for which I am getting the epidurals

for-- so 3 different chronic problems--and only one oral medication that I am

able to take--lyrica was terrible and any of the other meds like cymbalta, etc

conflicted with stablizing my bi polar -- i am between a rock and a hard place .

Annie

A poet is, after all, to see

____________ _________ _________ __

From: Dave Cruikshank <d.cruikshank@ comcast.net>

PainInTheNeck- Back@groups .com

Sent: Wed, May 5, 2010 12:34:23 AM

Subject: [PainInTheNeck- Back] Best thing that ever happened to my back

My wife was in s Hopkins hospital last week for 5 days. She was

there getting evaluated and treated for chronic migraines.

Unfortunately what they tried didn't help, but they told her there

was only a 10-15% chance of success going in. The reason why was

because she has had migraines since she was 16-17 and daily headaches

since her mid 20's. She is now 45. They told her that she waited too

long to seek help. That after such a long period as 20 years the

brain remaps itself and thinks pain is the norm. I'm sure this is

the case with many of us at this point. They also told her that

taking opiates such as Vicoden actually hurts in the end. That they

would never be able to help her until she got off the Vicoden, which

she had been on for 3 years. She ended up taking herself off cold

turkey. It took her about 1.5 weeks of hell, but she did it. That is

not how they wanted her to do it, they wanted her to come into the

hospital and they would detox her. Anyway long term use of opiates

just changes the way our nerve endings and brain perceive pain and

how our body fights it. It takes so much more pain killers to mask

the pain after years of opiates and it hinders the bodies own ability

to fight it. But that's not why I wrote this.

I was going to stay with her in Baltimore, but I was going to get a

hotel room. Well the nursing staff surprised us. They said since she

had a private room I could stay with her. So they found me a bed. I

got a regular hospital bed with adjustable head and feet. Well.... I

slept like a rock, I never sleep at home. My pain level was way

down. I skipped over 1/2 my meds and didn't miss them. I also get a

massage every night before bed. I didn't get or need that. Besides

being adjustable the bed was also firm. I like a firm bed. My wife

on the other hand had a hard time sleeping because she likes a softer

bed. So we are definitely buying an adjustable bed. I'm spending $55

a week on massage right now, that really helps but it is short term.

So I may as well make payments on the bed. The Sleep number in a

split frame with adjustments is like $6200.00 To me that's a car not

a bed, but it is a long term investment and for me and my wifes pain

it's a need not a luxury. We did find a less expensive manufacturer

called Comfort Aire which is the originator of the sleep number bed.

Theirs cost about $3800. We are going to look at it this

weekend. The least expensive option would be to buy a used

Craftmatic or Hospital bed. I see them in the newspaper often for

about $2-300.00 But that means we would have to sleep separate. I

told my wife long ago that when we sleep in separate beds it's over,

we are big snugglers. So for ME, the right bed made a world of

difference. Dave

------------ --------- --------- ------

[Guest guest]

WHOMEVER YOU ARE, LISTEN UP

IF THIS  IS SOME KIND OF ADVERTISEMENT ON A SITE THE MODERATOR WILL BE

NOTIFIED--

NO ONE IS TO COME ONTO OR INTO THESE HEALTH ROOMS TO TALK OR ADVERTISE TO OUR

GROUP MEMBERS ABOUT " SAVING THEIR LIVES " (TYPICAL COME ON LINE FOR A SCAM) --

WHAT A DRAMATIC AND INAPPROPRIATE MESSAGE TO ADMINISTER TO A MEMBER WHO HAS SUCH

CHRONIC ISSUES AS C- SPINE ISSUES AND PMR--

I WILL REPORT YOU TO OUR MODERATOR-

ANN WOOD FULLER, PHD

A poet is, after all, to see

________________________________

From: ariella vanderveen <ariellav@...>

neck pain

Sent: Wed, May 5, 2010 10:42:24 AM

Subject: Re: Best thing that ever happened to my back

ok...don't save your life!

" you are what you think about "

________________________________

From: Ann Wood Fuller <gatorma1@...>

neck pain

Sent: Wed, May 5, 2010 7:35:53 AM

Subject: Re: Best thing that ever happened to my back

 

?????

MY POST WAS DIRECTED TO DAVE

A poet is, after all, to see

____________ _________ _________ __

From: ariella vanderveen <ariellavsbcglobal (DOT) net>

PainInTheNeck- Back@groups .com

Sent: Wed, May 5, 2010 10:13:40 AM

Subject: Re: [PainInTheNeck- Back] Best thing that ever happened to my back

go to dr. luigi canepa in san jose to have your neck fixed....

" you are what you think about "

____________ _________ _________ __

From: Ann Wood Fuller <gatorma1 (DOT) com>

PainInTheNeck- Back@groups .com

Sent: Tue, May 4, 2010 10:23:26 PM

Subject: Re: [PainInTheNeck- Back] Best thing that ever happened to my back

 

Dave

a most interesting post indeed-

I am a member of J-Hopkins outpatient bi polar research-- actually entered a

gene study they did 20 years ago, and I am going to leave them part of my estate

when I pass away for research for Bi Polar-- you could not have found a better

place to take your wife to.

If you don't mind me asking, how much Vicodin was your wife on daily?

I am taking 30 mg a day and it gets me out of bed and functioning. I am allergic

to NSAIDS-- and SSI's make me manic. The drugs to treat the pain I am on are

very limited.Thus the Hydrocodone.

I have Fibromylagia, and also muscle condition called PMR,( google it) and too,

the C -Spine issues that are really painful for which I am getting the epidurals

for-- so 3 different chronic problems--and only one oral medication that I am

able to take--lyrica was terrible and any of the other meds like cymbalta, etc

conflicted with stablizing my bi polar -- i am between a rock and a hard place .

Annie

A poet is, after all, to see

____________ _________ _________ __

From: Dave Cruikshank <d.cruikshank@ comcast.net>

PainInTheNeck- Back@groups .com

Sent: Wed, May 5, 2010 12:34:23 AM

Subject: [PainInTheNeck- Back] Best thing that ever happened to my back

My wife was in s Hopkins hospital last week for 5 days. She was

there getting evaluated and treated for chronic migraines.

Unfortunately what they tried didn't help, but they told her there

was only a 10-15% chance of success going in. The reason why was

because she has had migraines since she was 16-17 and daily headaches

since her mid 20's. She is now 45. They told her that she waited too

long to seek help. That after such a long period as 20 years the

brain remaps itself and thinks pain is the norm.  I'm sure this is

the case with many of us at this point.  They also told her that

taking opiates such as Vicoden actually hurts in the end. That they

would never be able to help her until she got off the Vicoden, which

she had been on for 3 years. She ended up taking herself off cold

turkey. It took her about 1.5 weeks of hell, but she did it. That is

not how they wanted her to do it, they wanted her to come into the

hospital and they would detox her.  Anyway long term use of opiates

just changes the way our nerve endings and brain perceive pain and

how our body fights it. It takes so much more pain killers to mask

the pain after years of opiates and it hinders the bodies own ability

to fight it.  But that's not why I wrote this.

I was going to stay with her in Baltimore, but I was going to get a

hotel room.  Well the nursing staff surprised us. They said since she

had a private room I could stay with her. So they found me a bed. I

got a regular hospital bed with adjustable head and feet. Well.... I

slept like a rock, I never sleep at home. My pain level was way

down.  I skipped over 1/2 my meds and didn't miss them. I also get a

massage every night before bed. I didn't get or need that.  Besides

being adjustable the bed was also firm.  I like a firm bed.  My wife

on the other hand had a hard time sleeping because she likes a softer

bed.  So we are definitely buying an adjustable bed. I'm spending $55

a week on massage right now, that really helps but it is short term.

So I may as well make payments on the bed. The Sleep number in a

split frame with adjustments is like $6200.00 To me that's a car not

a bed, but it is a long term investment and for me and my wifes pain

it's a need not a luxury.  We did find a less expensive manufacturer

called Comfort Aire which is the originator of the sleep number bed.

Theirs cost about $3800.  We are going to look at it this

weekend.  The least expensive option would be to buy a used

Craftmatic or Hospital bed.  I see them in the newspaper often for

about $2-300.00  But that means we would have to sleep separate. I

told my wife long ago that when we sleep in separate beds it's over,

we are big snugglers. So for ME, the right bed made a world of

difference.  Dave

------------ --------- --------- ------

[Guest guest]

only if you are ready to be cured (and your mind is not closed)

this is serious...i'm giving you the websites because i don't have the energy to

explain it all....he saved my life after falling 8 ft. straight down on my

head....all (50) experts told me i would either never walk again or would DIE!

not one!!! even thought about the neck..

they took xrays and looked at some grains on it (which they don't understand)

and told me i had irreversable arthritis of the neck.

after 5 months leading to almost total paralysis, i looked at the clear sky, and

from the depth of my soul i said " i have done all i can, i need help " and that

afternoon my ex called to say he talked to a friend with similar symptoms , who

escaped from the hospital to get to dr. zimmerman (canepa's predecessore), and

dr. zimmerman healed him!!

i went..he had a mansion in san jose...a huge!, over 50 people, came every day!

from russia, from japan, and all over....from babies to 90

year olds...he is the only one in the WORLD who does this, and you don't have to

keep coming back..one treatment, and a possible check up later do the job...he

adjusted me (using the xray and the SAM , he adjusts the neck scientifcally in

line with the xray, and then has a check up machine, which shows exactly by

differential HEAT whether and how much the neck is out...he checks you to begin

with, with this machine, to see if your neck is out...if not, he does not treat

you...after the adjustment, he retests to see if he got it in...

i am only here because of him

he has cured rare skin diseases! every!!!! disease can be caused by the neck

being out...when we are born, they hang us upside down, when the head is ver

heavy! and the neck is still jelly....and many of us may have had a fall (from

the changing table etc.)

accroding to him, 99% of the population has their neck out to some degree..he

has cured me when i had lower back pain, knee pain, thumb pain...you only have

to go back if you have another fall or hit, and get problems...

i am thinking of quitting this list, because i feel so bad hearing of all your

pain that i can't stand it..but i thought i would at least try to give all of

you the information....he is really nice, and if you call him he will explain it

all to you...(408 244 6335)

i am praying for all of you...he gives up a lot to do this, since the fda and

all the other chiropractors are after him, because he takes their business away

by curing in one! session, rather than having people keep coming back.

ariella

every nerve in your body goes from the brain through the neck!

(underline neck)...the two top vertebra are constructed loose so the head can

turn....all the others are fused together more....

any fall or hit (whiplash) can cause those two top vertebra to pop out of

line...resulting in the disc sitting on some nerves...it is where the nerves END

that you get the problem...you don't necessarily feel anything! in the neck, but

rather where the nerves end!

this dr. is both a chiropractor and! and ENGINEER...he built a three dimensional

x ray machine long before the medical world..( his work is now taken over by dr.

canepa (www.canepachiropractic.com), he has two websites..be sure to read

both..in the second one he explains his SAM i.e. specific adjustment machine.

" you are what you think about "

________________________________

From: Ann Wood Fuller <gatorma1@...>

neck pain

Sent: Wed, May 5, 2010 8:05:30 AM

Subject: Re: Best thing that ever happened to my back

WHOMEVER YOU ARE, LISTEN UP

IF THIS IS SOME KIND OF ADVERTISEMENT ON A SITE THE MODERATOR WILL BE

NOTIFIED--

NO ONE IS TO COME ONTO OR INTO THESE HEALTH ROOMS TO TALK OR ADVERTISE TO OUR

GROUP MEMBERS ABOUT " SAVING THEIR LIVES " (TYPICAL COME ON LINE FOR A SCAM) --

WHAT A DRAMATIC AND INAPPROPRIATE MESSAGE TO ADMINISTER TO A MEMBER WHO HAS

SUCH CHRONIC ISSUES AS C- SPINE ISSUES AND PMR--

I WILL REPORT YOU TO OUR MODERATOR-

ANN WOOD FULLER, PHD

A poet is, after all, to see

____________ _________ _________ __

From: ariella vanderveen <ariellavsbcglobal (DOT) net>

PainInTheNeck- Back@groups .com

Sent: Wed, May 5, 2010 10:42:24 AM

Subject: Re: [PainInTheNeck- Back] Best thing that ever happened to my back

ok...don't save your life!

" you are what you think about "

____________ _________ _________ __

From: Ann Wood Fuller <gatorma1 (DOT) com>

PainInTheNeck- Back@groups .com

Sent: Wed, May 5, 2010 7:35:53 AM

Subject: Re: [PainInTheNeck- Back] Best thing that ever happened to my back

?????

MY POST WAS DIRECTED TO DAVE

A poet is, after all, to see

____________ _________ _________ __

From: ariella vanderveen <ariellav@sbcglobal . net>

PainInTheNeck- Back@groups .com

Sent: Wed, May 5, 2010 10:13:40 AM

Subject: Re: [PainInTheNeck- Back] Best thing that ever happened to my back

go to dr. luigi canepa in san jose to have your neck fixed....

" you are what you think about "

____________ _________ _________ __

From: Ann Wood Fuller <gatorma1 (DOT) com>

PainInTheNeck- Back@groups .com

Sent: Tue, May 4, 2010 10:23:26 PM

Subject: Re: [PainInTheNeck- Back] Best thing that ever happened to my back

Dave

a most interesting post indeed-

I am a member of J-Hopkins outpatient bi polar research-- actually entered a

gene study they did 20 years ago, and I am going to leave them part of my estate

when I pass away for research for Bi Polar-- you could not have found a better

place to take your wife to.

If you don't mind me asking, how much Vicodin was your wife on daily?

I am taking 30 mg a day and it gets me out of bed and functioning. I am allergic

to NSAIDS-- and SSI's make me manic. The drugs to treat the pain I am on are

very limited.Thus the Hydrocodone.

I have Fibromylagia, and also muscle condition called PMR,( google it) and too,

the C -Spine issues that are really painful for which I am getting the epidurals

for-- so 3 different chronic problems--and only one oral medication that I am

able to take--lyrica was terrible and any of the other meds like cymbalta, etc

conflicted with stablizing my bi polar -- i am between a rock and a hard place .

Annie

A poet is, after all, to see

____________ _________ _________ __

From: Dave Cruikshank <d.cruikshank@ comcast.net>

PainInTheNeck- Back@groups .com

Sent: Wed, May 5, 2010 12:34:23 AM

Subject: [PainInTheNeck- Back] Best thing that ever happened to my back

My wife was in s Hopkins hospital last week for 5 days. She was

there getting evaluated and treated for chronic migraines.

Unfortunately what they tried didn't help, but they told her there

was only a 10-15% chance of success going in. The reason why was

because she has had migraines since she was 16-17 and daily headaches

since her mid 20's. She is now 45. They told her that she waited too

long to seek help. That after such a long period as 20 years the

brain remaps itself and thinks pain is the norm. I'm sure this is

the case with many of us at this point. They also told her that

taking opiates such as Vicoden actually hurts in the end. That they

would never be able to help her until she got off the Vicoden, which

she had been on for 3 years. She ended up taking herself off cold

turkey. It took her about 1.5 weeks of hell, but she did it. That is

not how they wanted her to do it, they wanted her to come into the

hospital and they would detox her. Anyway long term use of opiates

just changes the way our nerve endings and brain perceive pain and

how our body fights it. It takes so much more pain killers to mask

the pain after years of opiates and it hinders the bodies own ability

to fight it. But that's not why I wrote this.

I was going to stay with her in Baltimore, but I was going to get a

hotel room. Well the nursing staff surprised us. They said since she

had a private room I could stay with her. So they found me a bed. I

got a regular hospital bed with adjustable head and feet. Well.... I

slept like a rock, I never sleep at home. My pain level was way

down. I skipped over 1/2 my meds and didn't miss them. I also get a

massage every night before bed. I didn't get or need that. Besides

being adjustable the bed was also firm. I like a firm bed. My wife

on the other hand had a hard time sleeping because she likes a softer

bed. So we are definitely buying an adjustable bed. I'm spending $55

a week on massage right now, that really helps but it is short term.

So I may as well make payments on the bed. The Sleep number in a

split frame with adjustments is like $6200.00 To me that's a car not

a bed, but it is a long term investment and for me and my wifes pain

it's a need not a luxury. We did find a less expensive manufacturer

called Comfort Aire which is the originator of the sleep number bed.

Theirs cost about $3800. We are going to look at it this

weekend. The least expensive option would be to buy a used

Craftmatic or Hospital bed. I see them in the newspaper often for

about $2-300.00 But that means we would have to sleep separate. I

told my wife long ago that when we sleep in separate beds it's over,

we are big snugglers. So for ME, the right bed made a world of

difference. Dave

------------ --------- --------- ------

[Guest guest]

I know all about this, because it happened to ME. I was almost killed by a

dentist who so severely dislodged my Atlas.I was almost KILLED, I was so bad i

was foaming at the mouth crawling on the floor etc. Screaming. almost dead. I

believe in the theory. My chiropracter actually SAVED my life and he went to

Palmer. People and most medical doctors DONT know nor do they understand this at

all. They do not know or understand how a crooked cervical neck and atlas can

effect a persons body, brain and neurological systems. It effects the knees

hips,lumbar EVERYTHING. But you are wasting your time trying to convey this to

people. Its too complicated and they wont listen or believe you. I have been

trying for years. Go look at the website UPCSPINE.com. Theres another fellow

trying to educate the popualtion. But you seem like you are working for him and

people are suspicious of you. I believe in the theory but dont really believe in

his machine. I will ask my chiro about him and see if he has heard of him. Then

too you have to understand, that while This happened to us. Lots of folks have

buldging discs, herniations and not every one has a atlas problem like we may

have had. There IS other situations with necks that give people serious

problems. You have to try and stay open minded at all times. On the other hand,

maybe my chiro could have fixed YOU, without the machine.

>

> only if you are ready to be cured (and your mind is not closed)

>

> this is serious...i'm giving you the websites because i don't have the energy

to explain it all....he saved my life after falling 8 ft. straight down on my

head....all (50) experts told me i would either never walk again or would DIE!

not one!!! even thought about the neck..

> they took xrays and looked at some grains on it (which they don't understand)

and told me i had irreversable arthritis of the neck.

>

> after 5 months leading to almost total paralysis, i looked at the clear sky,

and from the depth of my soul i said " i have done all i can, i need help " and

that afternoon my ex called to say he talked to a friend with similar symptoms ,

who escaped from the hospital to get to dr. zimmerman (canepa's predecessore),

and dr. zimmerman healed him!!

>

> i went..he had a mansion in san jose...a huge!, over 50 people, came every

day! from russia, from japan, and all over....from babies to 90

> year olds...he is the only one in the WORLD who does this, and you don't have

to keep coming back..one treatment, and a possible check up later do the

job...he adjusted me (using the xray and the SAM , he adjusts the neck

scientifcally in line with the xray, and then has a check up machine, which

shows exactly by differential HEAT whether and how much the neck is out...he

checks you to begin with, with this machine, to see if your neck is out...if

not, he does not treat you...after the adjustment, he retests to see if he got

it in...

>

> i am only here because of him

>

> he has cured rare skin diseases! every!!!! disease can be caused by the neck

being out...when we are born, they hang us upside down, when the head is ver

heavy! and the neck is still jelly....and many of us may have had a fall (from

the changing table etc.)

>

> accroding to him, 99% of the population has their neck out to some degree..he

has cured me when i had lower back pain, knee pain, thumb pain...you only have

to go back if you have another fall or hit, and get problems...

>

> i am thinking of quitting this list, because i feel so bad hearing of all your

pain that i can't stand it..but i thought i would at least try to give all of

you the information....he is really nice, and if you call him he will explain it

all to you...(408 244 6335)

>

> i am praying for all of you...he gives up a lot to do this, since the fda and

all the other chiropractors are after him, because he takes their business away

by curing in one! session, rather than having people keep coming back.

>

> ariella

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> every nerve in your body goes from the brain through the neck!

> (underline neck)...the two top vertebra are constructed loose so the head can

turn....all the others are fused together more....

>

> any fall or hit (whiplash) can cause those two top vertebra to pop out of

line...resulting in the disc sitting on some nerves...it is where the nerves END

that you get the problem...you don't necessarily feel anything! in the neck, but

rather where the nerves end!

>

> this dr. is both a chiropractor and! and ENGINEER...he built a three

dimensional x ray machine long before the medical world..( his work is now taken

over by dr. canepa (www.canepachiropractic.com), he has two websites..be sure

to read both..in the second one he explains his SAM i.e. specific adjustment

machine.

>

>

> " you are what you think about "

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: Ann Wood Fuller <gatorma1@...>

> neck pain

> Sent: Wed, May 5, 2010 8:05:30 AM

> Subject: Re: Best thing that ever happened to my back

>

>

> WHOMEVER YOU ARE, LISTEN UP

> IF THIS IS SOME KIND OF ADVERTISEMENT ON A SITE THE MODERATOR WILL BE

NOTIFIED--

> NO ONE IS TO COME ONTO OR INTO THESE HEALTH ROOMS TO TALK OR ADVERTISE TO OUR

GROUP MEMBERS ABOUT " SAVING THEIR LIVES " (TYPICAL COME ON LINE FOR A SCAM) --

> WHAT A DRAMATIC AND INAPPROPRIATE MESSAGE TO ADMINISTER TO A MEMBER WHO HAS

SUCH CHRONIC ISSUES AS C- SPINE ISSUES AND PMR--

> I WILL REPORT YOU TO OUR MODERATOR-

> ANN WOOD FULLER, PHD

>

> A poet is, after all, to see

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> From: ariella vanderveen <ariellavsbcglobal (DOT) net>

> PainInTheNeck- Back@groups .com

> Sent: Wed, May 5, 2010 10:42:24 AM

> Subject: Re: [PainInTheNeck- Back] Best thing that ever happened to my back

>

> ok...don't save your life!

> " you are what you think about "

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> From: Ann Wood Fuller <gatorma1 (DOT) com>

> PainInTheNeck- Back@groups .com

> Sent: Wed, May 5, 2010 7:35:53 AM

> Subject: Re: [PainInTheNeck- Back] Best thing that ever happened to my back

>

>

> ?????

> MY POST WAS DIRECTED TO DAVE

> A poet is, after all, to see

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> From: ariella vanderveen <ariellav@sbcglobal . net>

> PainInTheNeck- Back@groups .com

> Sent: Wed, May 5, 2010 10:13:40 AM

> Subject: Re: [PainInTheNeck- Back] Best thing that ever happened to my back

>

> go to dr. luigi canepa in san jose to have your neck fixed....

> " you are what you think about "

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> From: Ann Wood Fuller <gatorma1 (DOT) com>

> PainInTheNeck- Back@groups .com

> Sent: Tue, May 4, 2010 10:23:26 PM

> Subject: Re: [PainInTheNeck- Back] Best thing that ever happened to my back

>

>

> Dave

> a most interesting post indeed-

> I am a member of J-Hopkins outpatient bi polar research-- actually entered a

gene study they did 20 years ago, and I am going to leave them part of my estate

when I pass away for research for Bi Polar-- you could not have found a better

place to take your wife to.

> If you don't mind me asking, how much Vicodin was your wife on daily?

> I am taking 30 mg a day and it gets me out of bed and functioning. I am

allergic to NSAIDS-- and SSI's make me manic. The drugs to treat the pain I am

on are very limited.Thus the Hydrocodone.

> I have Fibromylagia, and also muscle condition called PMR,( google it) and

too, the C -Spine issues that are really painful for which I am getting the

epidurals for-- so 3 different chronic problems--and only one oral medication

that I am able to take--lyrica was terrible and any of the other meds like

cymbalta, etc conflicted with stablizing my bi polar -- i am between a rock and

a hard place .

> Annie

>

> A poet is, after all, to see

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> From: Dave Cruikshank <d.cruikshank@ comcast.net>

> PainInTheNeck- Back@groups .com

> Sent: Wed, May 5, 2010 12:34:23 AM

> Subject: [PainInTheNeck- Back] Best thing that ever happened to my back

>

> My wife was in s Hopkins hospital last week for 5 days. She was

> there getting evaluated and treated for chronic migraines.

> Unfortunately what they tried didn't help, but they told her there

> was only a 10-15% chance of success going in. The reason why was

> because she has had migraines since she was 16-17 and daily headaches

> since her mid 20's. She is now 45. They told her that she waited too

> long to seek help. That after such a long period as 20 years the

> brain remaps itself and thinks pain is the norm. I'm sure this is

> the case with many of us at this point. They also told her that

> taking opiates such as Vicoden actually hurts in the end. That they

> would never be able to help her until she got off the Vicoden, which

> she had been on for 3 years. She ended up taking herself off cold

> turkey. It took her about 1.5 weeks of hell, but she did it. That is

> not how they wanted her to do it, they wanted her to come into the

> hospital and they would detox her. Anyway long term use of opiates

> just changes the way our nerve endings and brain perceive pain and

> how our body fights it. It takes so much more pain killers to mask

> the pain after years of opiates and it hinders the bodies own ability

> to fight it. But that's not why I wrote this.

>

> I was going to stay with her in Baltimore, but I was going to get a

> hotel room. Well the nursing staff surprised us. They said since she

> had a private room I could stay with her. So they found me a bed. I

> got a regular hospital bed with adjustable head and feet. Well.... I

> slept like a rock, I never sleep at home. My pain level was way

> down. I skipped over 1/2 my meds and didn't miss them. I also get a

> massage every night before bed. I didn't get or need that. Besides

> being adjustable the bed was also firm. I like a firm bed. My wife

> on the other hand had a hard time sleeping because she likes a softer

> bed. So we are definitely buying an adjustable bed. I'm spending $55

> a week on massage right now, that really helps but it is short term.

> So I may as well make payments on the bed. The Sleep number in a

> split frame with adjustments is like $6200.00 To me that's a car not

> a bed, but it is a long term investment and for me and my wifes pain

> it's a need not a luxury. We did find a less expensive manufacturer

> called Comfort Aire which is the originator of the sleep number bed.

> Theirs cost about $3800. We are going to look at it this

> weekend. The least expensive option would be to buy a used

> Craftmatic or Hospital bed. I see them in the newspaper often for

> about $2-300.00 But that means we would have to sleep separate. I

> told my wife long ago that when we sleep in separate beds it's over,

> we are big snugglers. So for ME, the right bed made a world of

> difference. Dave

>

> ------------ --------- --------- ------

>

>

[Guest guest]

No I'm not close minded to it at all, in fact its kind of interesting. And dont

be insulted or discouraged. But it does happen to be something i know alot

about.

But honestly its all over the web. I googled it and found it real fast. I

doubt? most chiropracters dont like the machine because he is stealing their

patients. Most chiropracters i have met, have plenty of patients and MONEY!

Its just the medical community that doesnt understand the upper cervical

complications. But there are variables and differences in people. Not

everyone's Atlas is thrown out that bad, as to get us that sick. Lots of people

here, have had fusions to their necks. I understand he uses that machine. But

not every neck in the world or every person that hurts has our problem. Dont be

so offended. Because you will have a heart attack.

Gosh I am sure if my chiro thought that your doc could cure me, he would Come

with me to california. So do you have a reverse curve to your neck? cindy

>

> regular chiropractors can get it in sometimes....but this guy is the only one

who has developed a SCIENTIFIC way of doing this...i had a number of

chiropractors work on me and they did no good....i appreciate your support, but

still find a closedmindedness...

>

> if you think i'm working for this dr. you are way off!!!! he does not even

know i am doing this...but i guess there is no belief in honesty anymore...if

after what i wrote you, happened to me, and you think i'm working for the dr. i

give up!!! there is no helping people...let's hope some of the others on this

list still have ears and eyes to listen for themselves...

>

> if you want to get angry, get angry and the buy cheap products person...who

has no place on this list and can certainly be suspected of working for the

company

>

> but if even one person's life is saved, it will be worth it....

>

> the indecency!!! of thinking i'm sitting here in the middle of a lot os

difficulties, taking the time to want to help all of you desperate victims of a

medical lack of knowledge...i am really INSULTED AND DISCOURAGED TO TRY AND

HELP.

>

> if, as you say, no one will listen...i'll just sign off and forget it!!!!

>

> " you are what you think about "

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: grasshopperx_10 <woody1014@...>

> neck pain

> Sent: Wed, May 5, 2010 11:49:15 AM

> Subject: Re: Best thing that ever happened to my back

>

>

>

>

> I know all about this, because it happened to ME. I was almost killed by a

dentist who so severely dislodged my Atlas.I was almost KILLED, I was so bad i

was foaming at the mouth crawling on the floor etc. Screaming. almost dead. I

believe in the theory. My chiropracter actually SAVED my life and he went to

Palmer. People and most medical doctors DONT know nor do they understand this at

all. They do not know or understand how a crooked cervical neck and atlas can

effect a persons body, brain and neurological systems. It effects the knees

hips,lumbar EVERYTHING. But you are wasting your time trying to convey this to

people. Its too complicated and they wont listen or believe you. I have been

trying for years. Go look at the website UPCSPINE.com. Theres another fellow

trying to educate the popualtion. But you seem like you are working for him and

people are suspicious of you. I believe in the theory but dont really believe in

his machine. I will ask my

> chiro about him and see if he has heard of him. Then too you have to

understand, that while This happened to us. Lots of folks have buldging discs,

herniations and not every one has a atlas problem like we may have had. There IS

other situations with necks that give people serious problems. You have to try

and stay open minded at all times. On the other hand, maybe my chiro could have

fixed YOU, without the machine.

> >

> > only if you are ready to be cured (and your mind is not closed)

> >

> > this is serious...i' m giving you the websites because i don't have the

energy to explain it all....he saved my life after falling 8 ft. straight down

on my head....all (50) experts told me i would either never walk again or would

DIE! not one!!! even thought about the neck..

> > they took xrays and looked at some grains on it (which they don't

understand) and told me i had irreversable arthritis of the neck.

> >

> > after 5 months leading to almost total paralysis, i looked at the clear sky,

and from the depth of my soul i said " i have done all i can, i need help " and

that afternoon my ex called to say he talked to a friend with similar symptoms ,

who escaped from the hospital to get to dr. zimmerman (canepa's predecessore) ,

and dr. zimmerman healed him!!

> >

> > i went..he had a mansion in san jose...a huge!, over 50 people, came every

day! from russia, from japan, and all over....from babies to 90

> > year olds...he is the only one in the WORLD who does this, and you don't

have to keep coming back..one treatment, and a possible check up later do the

job...he adjusted me (using the xray and the SAM , he adjusts the neck

scientifcally in line with the xray, and then has a check up machine, which

shows exactly by differential HEAT whether and how much the neck is out...he

checks you to begin with, with this machine, to see if your neck is out...if

not, he does not treat you...after the adjustment, he retests to see if he got

it in...

> >

> > i am only here because of him

> >

> > he has cured rare skin diseases! every!!!! disease can be caused by the

neck being out...when we are born, they hang us upside down, when the head is

ver heavy! and the neck is still jelly....and many of us may have had a fall

(from the changing table etc.)

> >

> > accroding to him, 99% of the population has their neck out to some

degree..he has cured me when i had lower back pain, knee pain, thumb pain...you

only have to go back if you have another fall or hit, and get problems...

> >

> > i am thinking of quitting this list, because i feel so bad hearing of all

your pain that i can't stand it..but i thought i would at least try to give

all of you the information. ...he is really nice, and if you call him he will

explain it all to you...(408 244 6335)

> >

> > i am praying for all of you...he gives up a lot to do this, since the fda

and all the other chiropractors are after him, because he takes their business

away by curing in one! session, rather than having people keep coming back.

> >

> > ariella

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > every nerve in your body goes from the brain through the neck!

> > (underline neck)...the two top vertebra are constructed loose so the head

can turn....all the others are fused together more....

> >

> > any fall or hit (whiplash) can cause those two top vertebra to pop out of

line...resulting in the disc sitting on some nerves...it is where the nerves END

that you get the problem...you don't necessarily feel anything! in the neck, but

rather where the nerves end!

> >

> > this dr. is both a chiropractor and! and ENGINEER...he built a three

dimensional x ray machine long before the medical world..( his work is now taken

over by dr. canepa (www.canepachiropra ctic.com) , he has two websites..be sure

to read both..in the second one he explains his SAM i.e. specific adjustment

machine.

> >

> >

> > " you are what you think about "

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > From: Ann Wood Fuller <gatorma1@ .>

> > PainInTheNeck- Back@groups .com

> > Sent: Wed, May 5, 2010 8:05:30 AM

> > Subject: Re: [PainInTheNeck- Back] Best thing that ever happened to my back

> >

> >

> > WHOMEVER YOU ARE, LISTEN UP

> > IF THIS IS SOME KIND OF ADVERTISEMENT ON A SITE THE MODERATOR WILL BE

NOTIFIED--

> > NO ONE IS TO COME ONTO OR INTO THESE HEALTH ROOMS TO TALK OR ADVERTISE TO

OUR GROUP MEMBERS ABOUT " SAVING THEIR LIVES " (TYPICAL COME ON LINE FOR A SCAM)

--

> > WHAT A DRAMATIC AND INAPPROPRIATE MESSAGE TO ADMINISTER TO A MEMBER WHO HAS

SUCH CHRONIC ISSUES AS C- SPINE ISSUES AND PMR--

> > I WILL REPORT YOU TO OUR MODERATOR-

> > ANN WOOD FULLER, PHD

> >

> > A poet is, after all, to see

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > From: ariella vanderveen <ariellav@sbcglobal . net>

> > PainInTheNeck- Back@groups .com

> > Sent: Wed, May 5, 2010 10:42:24 AM

> > Subject: Re: [PainInTheNeck- Back] Best thing that ever happened to my back

> >

> > ok...don't save your life!

> > " you are what you think about "

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > From: Ann Wood Fuller <gatorma1 (DOT) com>

> > PainInTheNeck- Back@groups .com

> > Sent: Wed, May 5, 2010 7:35:53 AM

> > Subject: Re: [PainInTheNeck- Back] Best thing that ever happened to my back

> >

> >

> > ?????

> > MY POST WAS DIRECTED TO DAVE

> > A poet is, after all, to see

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > From: ariella vanderveen <ariellav@sbcglobal . net>

> > PainInTheNeck- Back@groups .com

> > Sent: Wed, May 5, 2010 10:13:40 AM

> > Subject: Re: [PainInTheNeck- Back] Best thing that ever happened to my back

> >

> > go to dr. luigi canepa in san jose to have your neck fixed....

> > " you are what you think about "

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > From: Ann Wood Fuller <gatorma1 (DOT) com>

> > PainInTheNeck- Back@groups .com

> > Sent: Tue, May 4, 2010 10:23:26 PM

> > Subject: Re: [PainInTheNeck- Back] Best thing that ever happened to my back

> >

> >

> > Dave

> > a most interesting post indeed-

> > I am a member of J-Hopkins outpatient bi polar research-- actually entered a

gene study they did 20 years ago, and I am going to leave them part of my estate

when I pass away for research for Bi Polar-- you could not have found a better

place to take your wife to.

> > If you don't mind me asking, how much Vicodin was your wife on daily?

> > I am taking 30 mg a day and it gets me out of bed and functioning. I am

allergic to NSAIDS-- and SSI's make me manic. The drugs to treat the pain I am

on are very limited.Thus the Hydrocodone.

> > I have Fibromylagia, and also muscle condition called PMR,( google it) and

too, the C -Spine issues that are really painful for which I am getting the

epidurals for-- so 3 different chronic problems--and only one oral medication

that I am able to take--lyrica was terrible and any of the other meds like

cymbalta, etc conflicted with stablizing my bi polar -- i am between a rock and

a hard place .

> > Annie

> >

> > A poet is, after all, to see

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > From: Dave Cruikshank <d.cruikshank@ comcast.net>

> > PainInTheNeck- Back@groups .com

> > Sent: Wed, May 5, 2010 12:34:23 AM

> > Subject: [PainInTheNeck- Back] Best thing that ever happened to my back

> >

> > My wife was in s Hopkins hospital last week for 5 days. She was

> > there getting evaluated and treated for chronic migraines.

> > Unfortunately what they tried didn't help, but they told her there

> > was only a 10-15% chance of success going in. The reason why was

> > because she has had migraines since she was 16-17 and daily headaches

> > since her mid 20's. She is now 45. They told her that she waited too

> > long to seek help. That after such a long period as 20 years the

> > brain remaps itself and thinks pain is the norm. I'm sure this is

> > the case with many of us at this point. They also told her that

> > taking opiates such as Vicoden actually hurts in the end. That they

> > would never be able to help her until she got off the Vicoden, which

> > she had been on for 3 years. She ended up taking herself off cold

> > turkey. It took her about 1.5 weeks of hell, but she did it. That is

> > not how they wanted her to do it, they wanted her to come into the

> > hospital and they would detox her. Anyway long term use of opiates

> > just changes the way our nerve endings and brain perceive pain and

> > how our body fights it. It takes so much more pain killers to mask

> > the pain after years of opiates and it hinders the bodies own ability

> > to fight it. But that's not why I wrote this.

> >

> > I was going to stay with her in Baltimore, but I was going to get a

> > hotel room. Well the nursing staff surprised us. They said since she

> > had a private room I could stay with her. So they found me a bed. I

> > got a regular hospital bed with adjustable head and feet. Well.... I

> > slept like a rock, I never sleep at home. My pain level was way

> > down. I skipped over 1/2 my meds and didn't miss them. I also get a

> > massage every night before bed. I didn't get or need that. Besides

> > being adjustable the bed was also firm. I like a firm bed. My wife

> > on the other hand had a hard time sleeping because she likes a softer

> > bed. So we are definitely buying an adjustable bed. I'm spending $55

> > a week on massage right now, that really helps but it is short term.

> > So I may as well make payments on the bed. The Sleep number in a

> > split frame with adjustments is like $6200.00 To me that's a car not

> > a bed, but it is a long term investment and for me and my wifes pain

> > it's a need not a luxury. We did find a less expensive manufacturer

> > called Comfort Aire which is the originator of the sleep number bed.

> > Theirs cost about $3800. We are going to look at it this

> > weekend. The least expensive option would be to buy a used

> > Craftmatic or Hospital bed. I see them in the newspaper often for

> > about $2-300.00 But that means we would have to sleep separate. I

> > told my wife long ago that when we sleep in separate beds it's over,

> > we are big snugglers. So for ME, the right bed made a world of

> > difference. Dave

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