Guest guest Posted June 15, 2006 Report Posted June 15, 2006 Hi Tamara...sorry about your sister... Hep C is not in body fluids...blood to blood contact is necessary for its spread, (it uses your blood for transport to the liver, but uses the DNA in the liver cells to replicate, so thats where it likes to hang out) and if you think about it...thats pretty unlikely in a normal setting. If you have open cuts on your hands or something you may want to pay closer attention to open sores that she may have.. My brother is HIV positive and has Hep C, and I have been helping to care for him for quite a long time, although he is not disabled because of either of those things...he had a stroke 5 years ago, and needs help with stuff now because of that. He has been HIV pos since 1985 and is 41 now. We have lived together over the years off and on, and nothing has ever come of it. We were patients in the same hospital as children, and both had emergency surgery there, and thats where we got the Hep C. (Personally ....im not convinced its a virus at all...but thats another story.) How old is your sister? and how long has she been fighting this? If you don't my asking. Quote
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2006 Report Posted June 15, 2006 Info is everywhere, I suggest simply Googling and go from there. As for being selfish, you know when you are - so dont be. Treat your sis the best you can, youll be glad you did. md --- Hepatitis C <tamara9269@...> wrote: > My sister has hep b and c and has just moved in with us, because she is unable to care for herself now. She is terminal, and it is only a matter or time, the Dr.s have quit giving her taps and she is in her last stages. However, I am scared to death that I may contract this through body fluids. Whats the risk and where can I get info? Am I being selfish? Tamara Brown > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2006 Report Posted June 15, 2006 , Id love to hear your thoughts about is it a virus or whatever. Some things dont make sense to me or dont square up with my experience. Talk to me, md --- Hepatitis C <Aprilcupcake@...> wrote: > Hi Tamara...sorry about your sister... > > Hep C is not in body fluids...blood to blood contact is necessary > for its spread, (it uses your blood for transport to the liver, but uses > the DNA in the liver cells to replicate, so thats where it likes to hang out) > and if you think about it...thats pretty unlikely in > a normal setting. If you have open cuts on your hands or something > you may want to pay closer attention to open sores that she may > have.. > > My brother is HIV positive and has Hep C, and I have been helping > to care for him for quite a long time, although he is not disabled because > of either of those things...he had a stroke 5 years ago, and needs help > with stuff now because of that. > He has been HIV pos since 1985 and is 41 now. > We have lived together over the years off and on, and nothing > has ever come of it. > We were patients in the same hospital as children, and both had emergency > surgery there, and thats where we got the Hep C. > (Personally ....im not convinced its a virus at all...but thats another > story.) > > How old is your sister? and how long has she been fighting this? > If you don't my asking. > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > __________________________________________________ Quote
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2006 Report Posted June 16, 2006 Hello again... There are many things in my experience that are suspicious...that would be a very long story.. Mainly after diagnosis I was sent to the THE UNIVERSTITY...hepatology clinic. They made it sound very ominous and very elite... It was a brand new wing in a major teaching hospital in the city near where I live. An amazingly beautiful building...($$$$$$$) The clinic personnel were very cold for the most part...and distant. No one ever looked me in the eye...thats weird in a place that is supposed to exude compassion.. I was never touched by anyone in " gloves " even when blood was drawn, no gloves. (if Im so toxic, you would think that they would be more careful)??? After all of the additional testing they talked me into..ultrasound, biopsy etc... all very expensive of course...and I paid out of pocket (no insurance, but I did not tell them that up front) They said they would give me copies of results when I asked for them..but to this day...two years later..they still have not gotten them to me. I wanted to see the lab report on the viral load and genotype stuff...and pictures of the ultrasound, and written report on the biopsy. Theres always a delay.. The doctor who did the biopsy, just talked about her findings while she was doing it...there was a microscope in the room with us. I asked her if I could look, and she basically told me that I would not know what I was looking at, so It would be of no consequence. Treatment was an assumption of theirs and they scheduled a consultation with the director of that...When I let them know that I did not have insurance I was given the card of another man...in a different section of the hospital. (the free clinic) I called to set up an appointment with him...and the nurse asked if I was having symptoms..I said not really aside from some fatigue. She mailed me some pamphlets, and a website directory. That was the end of it...treatment isnt really an option for those who cannot pay for it, and it doesnt work anyway...everyone relapses. (treatment then was 33 thousand dollars a year) To me it seemed like one big racket...identify people with certain antibody markers...and shuffle them into a money making program...and by the way...to this day no one has been able to culture this virus in a lab for study.???? ( it has to have a living host is why they say) The testing relies on the counting of fragmented RNA tails...every cell in our body contains RNA who's to say that the fragments are foreign. Interestingly enough we share the same basic DNA structure as bacteria and fungi. Who knows whats really true, I'm certainly not qualified to make difinitive judgments...but I do know that we all need to start asking hard questions, and demand answers. Answers that make sense to us...and the proof to back it up. As a society we are groomed, and expected to trust and respect authority...to not question...and that gets us into trouble! You can learn anything a specialist can learn...if you can read. Take care.. Quote
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2006 Report Posted June 16, 2006 Tamara, So many people in the hospitals are taking care of patient. If they would start think that they may be infected then no body would be there to look after any body. Every body has to go one day. be stood with your sister. Take care her maximum. You will get reward from GOD. You should not leave your near and dear. Think, it could be you, who knows at what time and from where one gets infected. I wish for your sister peace. saleem Tamara Brown <tamara9269@...> wrote: My sister has hep b and c and has just moved in with us, because she is unable to care for herself now. She is terminal, and it is only a matter or time, the Dr.s have quit giving her taps and she is in her last stages. However, I am scared to death that I may contract this through body fluids. Whats the risk and where can I get info? Am I being selfish? Tamara Brown __________________________________________________ Quote
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2006 Report Posted June 17, 2006 Or...maybe that specialist knew too much. There have been a couple of those who have published controversial material online etc...in effort to avoid mainstream media (which is highly regulated for content by the government) That have just evaporated. I believe I saved one on my computer that I will try to post here...very interesting. Quote
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2006 Report Posted June 17, 2006 I also had a very, very hard time getting my results after my first biopsy in 1998. This was from a specialist in New Orleans. When I finally got my results (after several months) I was told I was going to be put on a trial list for treatment and that I would be contacted. Months passed, I was never called...I called back to ask them about it, was told the same thing. Months passed again. And was never called. When I saw my general practitioner, he asked me about the trials. I told him about the situation and asked him to refer me to another specialist. He insisted that I see the guy in New Orleans since he was supposed to be so great. I relented, the doctor called the specialist, told him I was going to get on yet another waiting list. And, surprise! No call. I'm seeing an entirely different specialist now who is great. He's at Oschner in New Orleans. I don't know what happened to the amazing disappearing specialist. He wrote a marginally famous diet book around that time, so I suppose he was busy with that. __________________________________________________ Quote
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2006 Report Posted June 19, 2006 Hi your experience isn't surprising. The big teaching hospital treat you like you are just a walking liver or whatever else is wrong. If you question their judgement you are labeled a difficult patient. I went thru all the testing never found out my genone type even after it was requested on all my testing. Had a history of depression, the three specialist I saw 2 of them said no way, with the peg-infron. The one that was going to be in charge of my care was all for doing . I know of one famous Cancer hospital that does all types of work on you and if your not responding, they discharge you so you not under their care when you do die. My friend said they used her father like a lab rat and then sent him home to die. I got my Hepc from a transfusion. I have had ten in my life time. It was alway ob/gyn stuff and usually need the blood because my pressure dropped. Neither of my children have it so I know I got it during a hystercomy. I firmly believe that blood is like any other organ that is transplanted, you suffer from infections while your body is rejecting a foreign body in it. I not only got HepC, but asthma as well and allergies. The blood industry is criminal between HIV and HepC and they still let people come in and sell their blood, people who are in need on money to live on. They buy blood from the poorest countries and sell it to make a profit. And profit is what they want. Aprilcupcake@... wrote: Hello again... There are many things in my experience that are suspicious...that would be a very long story.. Mainly after diagnosis I was sent to the THE UNIVERSTITY...hepatology clinic. They made it sound very ominous and very elite... It was a brand new wing in a major teaching hospital in the city near where I live. An amazingly beautiful building...($$$$$$$) The clinic personnel were very cold for the most part...and distant. No one ever looked me in the eye...thats weird in a place that is supposed to exude compassion.. I was never touched by anyone in " gloves " even when blood was drawn, no gloves. (if Im so toxic, you would think that they would be more careful)??? After all of the additional testing they talked me into..ultrasound, biopsy etc... all very expensive of course...and I paid out of pocket (no insurance, but I did not tell them that up front) They said they would give me copies of results when I asked for them..but to this day...two years later..they still have not gotten them to me. I wanted to see the lab report on the viral load and genotype stuff...and pictures of the ultrasound, and written report on the biopsy. Theres always a delay.. The doctor who did the biopsy, just talked about her findings while she was doing it...there was a microscope in the room with us. I asked her if I could look, and she basically told me that I would not know what I was looking at, so It would be of no consequence. Treatment was an assumption of theirs and they scheduled a consultation with the director of that...When I let them know that I did not have insurance I was given the card of another man...in a different section of the hospital. (the free clinic) I called to set up an appointment with him...and the nurse asked if I was having symptoms..I said not really aside from some fatigue. She mailed me some pamphlets, and a website directory. That was the end of it...treatment isnt really an option for those who cannot pay for it, and it doesnt work anyway...everyone relapses. (treatment then was 33 thousand dollars a year) To me it seemed like one big racket...identify people with certain antibody markers...and shuffle them into a money making program...and by the way...to this day no one has been able to culture this virus in a lab for study.???? ( it has to have a living host is why they say) The testing relies on the counting of fragmented RNA tails...every cell in our body contains RNA who's to say that the fragments are foreign. Interestingly enough we share the same basic DNA structure as bacteria and fungi. Who knows whats really true, I'm certainly not qualified to make difinitive judgments...but I do know that we all need to start asking hard questions, and demand answers. Answers that make sense to us...and the proof to back it up. As a society we are groomed, and expected to trust and respect authority...to not question...and that gets us into trouble! You can learn anything a specialist can learn...if you can read. Take care.. Quote
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2006 Report Posted June 19, 2006 Absolutely true..and it is NO mistake that blood, and blood products are highly regulated by the FDA... We are very complicated organisms...and our immune systems are set up to destroy any foreign protein those immune cells come into contact with.. Part of our innate immune response, to be able to distinguish between self, and non self.. I think that merely exposing ourself to a different, non self protein sets us up for the same thing any " virus " might. During emergency surgery, for example...there is no time to adequately cross match blood..that takes 45 minutes minimum. There is only time for the 3 minute typing procedure. Just because you share the same " type " does not mean you are identical, and a safe match...no two people produce the same proteins! this has to have disastrous results in the long run...because while the protein is " non-self " it could be close enough that we start attacking our own tissues because they are just similar enough to the invader that the immune response never turns off. So after exposure to someone elses " proteins " ..any highly perfused organ or gland will be affected by it. Your liver is a gland...your brain is a gland...your spleen, your pancreas, your thyroid. Ask anyone with a Hep C diagnosis if they have other glandular complications such as insulin problems, or metabolic (thyroid) problems etc...and I would bank they have several. Does it have to be a virus???? or could it just be that we are all incompatible, no matter how close you think you are as far as type goes..and we cannot mix our proteins with out creating problems. And drug users mix proteins...(sharing needles) as do those who get tattoos and piercings. Sharing toothbrushes and razors etc..just a bunch of mixing of proteins... Even sexual practices that we were not meant to engage in...(sorry for the graphics) as in anal sex...exposes us to foreign proteins that were not meant to be in certain places. There are no built in protections there...its an " exit only " . Aside from helpful bacteria that live around the opening (which we scrub away everyday) Its not protected like other openings are...and those proteins can pass directly through the lining of the digestive tract, and into the blood... Unlike the ones we eat that first have to get past enzymes in our saliva, and our stomach acid...( good luck!) The acid environment of the female vagina protects us as well...female and male alike. (we cant give you what we dont have) But, once that environment is breached with the delivery of a baby for example, that is not followed by adequate healing...( but how soon do we start having sex after that???? too soon) leads to letting these proteins in again through the tears in the walls of the the vagina. We also were not designed to copulate as much as we do...we use sex for recreation now as a society, and we are setting ourselves up for trouble. We are the only species on the planet that have sex for non reproductive purposes...and consider how much disease we have in relation to other animals. Theres a reason that other animals mate in " season " ...and are basically separate the rest of the time. A good deal of what happens to us, is a result of our lack of education with respect to how our bodies work in general...and then some of it comes from those who would take adavantage of that for profit... I truly believe that there would be a much higher " cure " rate if the income potential of the " treatment " were not so great. If everyone were cured...or well to begin with, who would be making any money? Quote
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2006 Report Posted June 19, 2006 Hi Kathleen, What you said reminded me of this article I read a few years ago. New York Times January 29, 1999 Suit Says Canada Imported Tainted Blood From U.S. Inmates By ANTHONY DEPALMA A group of Canadians who claim they were infected by tainted blood products collected from prisoners in the United States filed a $660 million lawsuit today against the Canadian Government and several private companies for failing to adequately safeguard the blood supply. The class-action suit charges Ottawa with neglect for failing to keep out blood plasma collected in Arkansas prisons in the early 1980's after health officials in the United States had already determined that using such products was ''imprudent'' because there was a high risk of infection. At the time there was no test to indicate the presence of hepatitis C. The Canadian Red Cross had stopped collecting plasma from inmates in Canadian prisons in the early 1970's because of hepatitis. Also charged in the suit, filed in the Ontario Court of Justice in Toronto today, is a commercial blood broker in Montreal that imported the prison plasma, its American associates and the Toronto laboratory that used the plasma to manufacture a medication called clotting factor, which hemophiliacs need to control bleeding. ''When I read about it in the papers, I was just appalled,'' said McCarthy, 39, a hemophiliac from Sebringville, Ontario, who used clotting factor in the early 1980's that contained tainted plasma from Arkansas. Mr. McCarthy is lead plaintiff in the suit, which seeks compensation for about 1,000 hemophiliacs who contracted hepatitis C from 1980 to 1985. ''There has to be some questions asked about the role of some people who allowed this activity to continue,'' he said. Today's lawsuit is the latest development in a long and painful episode involving the deaths or infections of thousands of Canadians who received tainted blood from a number of sources in the 1980's. The Government established a panel to investigate the scandal. In its report in December 1997, the panel laid out a long list of mistakes, oversights and careless procedures that allowed the infections to spread though the population. As a result, the Canadian Red Cross has been forced to declare bankruptcy and has been removed from the direct collection of blood. Thousands of Canadians who contracted AIDS from tainted blood between 1986 and 1990 and their families have already been compensated by the Government. Thousands more who have hepatitis C or who were infected before 1986 are demanding Government assistance. The prisons were not the only suspected source of tainted blood, but the disclosure that suspect blood from American inmates had infiltrated Canada has stirred outrage here since it was first revealed during hearings by the panel in 1995. According to the panel's final report, blood plasma that never should have been collected from certain inmates at the Cummins prison at Grady, Ark., was shipped to Canada in 1983 even though all American blood processors by then refused to accept prison blood products. Byus, administrator of medical services for the Arkansas prison for 21 years, said there is no question the plasma should never have been collected from inmates who had tested positive for hepatitis B. But he says he does not think Arkansas is responsible for what happened in Canada. ''No I don't think that we have any involvement,'' he said. ''But do I feel like we did anything wrong? Yes, there were errors.'' Arkansas had one of the largest plasma collection programs of any prison system in the United States, producing 300 to 500 units of plasma every weekend, he said. Collecting plasma is more complicated than collecting whole blood. A unit of blood drawn from a donor is put into a centrifuge. The plasma then is spun off, leaving the rest to be returned to the donor. The plasma is used to manufacture various products, including the clotting factor that hemophiliacs need because of a deficiency caused by their disease. Mr. Byus said the Arkansas plasma collection program, which continued until 1994, was a way for inmates to earn from $7 to $10 for each donation. But Food and Drug Administration inspectors regularly recorded problems with the way the program was handled. And despite controls, inmates who should have been prevented from taking part were accepted, probably because they bribed or offered favors to other inmates who administered the program, Mr. Byus said. In the early 1980's, before a definitive test to detect the AIDS virus was available, the presence of Hepatitis B was considered a strong indicator of AIDS. The prison regularly sold plasma to Continental Pharma Cryosan Inc., a blood broker in Montreal that sold blood products around the world. At least 72 units of questionable plasma collected from five Arkansas inmates in 1982 and 1983 were sold to the Montreal company. http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9405EFDF1F39F93AA15752C0A96F95826\ 0 & sec=health & pagewanted=print __________________________________________________ Quote
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2006 Report Posted June 19, 2006 Thanks for that information, I understand that people in England, are making headway on getting help with their HepC. I had a dear friend, who died of Aids I read this book called The River, a lot to techincal stuff but interesting and horrific at the same time. I learned a lot about the blood industry and pharm. industry. And all very interesting. Janelle <warugi23@...> wrote: Hi Kathleen, What you said reminded me of this article I read a few years ago. New York Times January 29, 1999 Suit Says Canada Imported Tainted Blood From U.S. Inmates By ANTHONY DEPALMA A group of Canadians who claim they were infected by tainted blood products collected from prisoners in the United States filed a $660 million lawsuit today against the Canadian Government and several private companies for failing to adequately safeguard the blood supply. The class-action suit charges Ottawa with neglect for failing to keep out blood plasma collected in Arkansas prisons in the early 1980's after health officials in the United States had already determined that using such products was ''imprudent'' because there was a high risk of infection. At the time there was no test to indicate the presence of hepatitis C. The Canadian Red Cross had stopped collecting plasma from inmates in Canadian prisons in the early 1970's because of hepatitis. Also charged in the suit, filed in the Ontario Court of Justice in Toronto today, is a commercial blood broker in Montreal that imported the prison plasma, its American associates and the Toronto laboratory that used the plasma to manufacture a medication called clotting factor, which hemophiliacs need to control bleeding. ''When I read about it in the papers, I was just appalled,'' said McCarthy, 39, a hemophiliac from Sebringville, Ontario, who used clotting factor in the early 1980's that contained tainted plasma from Arkansas. Mr. McCarthy is lead plaintiff in the suit, which seeks compensation for about 1,000 hemophiliacs who contracted hepatitis C from 1980 to 1985. ''There has to be some questions asked about the role of some people who allowed this activity to continue,'' he said. Today's lawsuit is the latest development in a long and painful episode involving the deaths or infections of thousands of Canadians who received tainted blood from a number of sources in the 1980's. The Government established a panel to investigate the scandal. In its report in December 1997, the panel laid out a long list of mistakes, oversights and careless procedures that allowed the infections to spread though the population. As a result, the Canadian Red Cross has been forced to declare bankruptcy and has been removed from the direct collection of blood. Thousands of Canadians who contracted AIDS from tainted blood between 1986 and 1990 and their families have already been compensated by the Government. Thousands more who have hepatitis C or who were infected before 1986 are demanding Government assistance. The prisons were not the only suspected source of tainted blood, but the disclosure that suspect blood from American inmates had infiltrated Canada has stirred outrage here since it was first revealed during hearings by the panel in 1995. According to the panel's final report, blood plasma that never should have been collected from certain inmates at the Cummins prison at Grady, Ark., was shipped to Canada in 1983 even though all American blood processors by then refused to accept prison blood products. Byus, administrator of medical services for the Arkansas prison for 21 years, said there is no question the plasma should never have been collected from inmates who had tested positive for hepatitis B. But he says he does not think Arkansas is responsible for what happened in Canada. ''No I don't think that we have any involvement,'' he said. ''But do I feel like we did anything wrong? Yes, there were errors.'' Arkansas had one of the largest plasma collection programs of any prison system in the United States, producing 300 to 500 units of plasma every weekend, he said. Collecting plasma is more complicated than collecting whole blood. A unit of blood drawn from a donor is put into a centrifuge. The plasma then is spun off, leaving the rest to be returned to the donor. The plasma is used to manufacture various products, including the clotting factor that hemophiliacs need because of a deficiency caused by their disease. Mr. Byus said the Arkansas plasma collection program, which continued until 1994, was a way for inmates to earn from $7 to $10 for each donation. But Food and Drug Administration inspectors regularly recorded problems with the way the program was handled. And despite controls, inmates who should have been prevented from taking part were accepted, probably because they bribed or offered favors to other inmates who administered the program, Mr. Byus said. In the early 1980's, before a definitive test to detect the AIDS virus was available, the presence of Hepatitis B was considered a strong indicator of AIDS. The prison regularly sold plasma to Continental Pharma Cryosan Inc., a blood broker in Montreal that sold blood products around the world. At least 72 units of questionable plasma collected from five Arkansas inmates in 1982 and 1983 were sold to the Montreal company. http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9405EFDF1F39F93AA15752C0A96F95826\ 0 & sec=health & pagewanted=print __________________________________________________ Quote
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2006 Report Posted June 20, 2006 What a coincidence. I just saw The Origins of AIDS documentary a few weeks ago. It features Hooper, author of The River, and his ideas. I thought it was interesting that one of the leading scientists in Kisangani, Osterrieth, was also researching hepatitis. http://www.lrb.co.uk/v25/n09/letters.html > > Thanks for that information, I understand that people in England, are making headway on getting help with their HepC. I had a dear friend, who died of Aids > I read this book called The River, a lot to techincal stuff but interesting and horrific at the same time. I learned a lot about the blood industry and pharm. industry. And all very interesting. > Quote
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2006 Report Posted June 21, 2006 Interesting link...thanks. I was recently reading some information about Tetanus vaccination, and was horrified to know that it used to be prepared with Horse serum.. prior to 1978..that was abandonned after serious immune function problems were identified.. Who knows what else we have potentially been exposed to....scary. Quote
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2006 Report Posted June 22, 2006 Our liver is incredibly resiliant...it can even regenerate if it has been surgically altered! So, yes the progression of this disease can be very, very slow...which is about the only GOOD thing that comes with it. The progession depends on YOU and how well you care for yourself once you have been made aware that you have it. Your liver performs over 500 different functions for you! And if it is constantly working overtime removing junk that it should not have to...then doing all of the other important things it needs to will not be a priority. Best thing you can do is keep its environment as clean as possible. When deciding what is junk and what is not simply ask yourself where it came from. Is it found in nature? If you were a human in your natural " habitat " would you have access to it? Would you be attracted to it? And how DEAD is it? (shelf life?) The more dead it is, the less it can do for you. Especially those things of a chemical nature. I know there are some chemicals that cause harm to us that we have little control over, but there are plenty that we can say no to. " Just because you CAN do or have something...doesnt mean that you SHOULD " . It all depends on how well you want to live, and feel under this little black cloud of Hepatitis. Detox concoctions don't really make any sense to me...your liver is your " detox " organ...how do you detox the detox???? just a way to make $$$$ as far as I can tell. Iodine and some other plant phenols are natural anti-microbials and I believe that they can help more than some herbs can. Iodine is a necessary component for thyroid hormone production, and interestingly a lot of us with hep c have metabolic issues as well. I would imagine that our bodies find a way to use the iodine in our diet for its antimicrobial properties in the presence of a pathogen...leaving less available for hormone production. Carvacrol...found in oregano is quite a powerful antimicrobial as well. Along with a substance found in garlic. I have also been trying some thyroid hormone replacement to help with the fatigue...and I have been able to get along without my usual afternoon nap, after two weeks. Quote
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2006 Report Posted June 22, 2006 I just started acupuncture, and will also see a Chinese Medicine herbalist. Thought this might interest some of you... From www.docmisha.com (there's plenty of info about this online, google the terms) Chinese Traditional Medicine for HCV Many people with HCV are turning to Chinese traditional medicine, which has a rich history in the treatment of chronic hepatitis. Hepatitis B - and increasingly, Hepatitis C - is prevalent throughout China, accounting for increased risk of hepatocellular carcinoma in the mainland Chinese population. The Chinese medical system has been dedicated to solving the problem for many years, working to eliminate sources of hepatitis as well as developing treatments for hepatitis using both Chinese traditional medicine and Western medicine. At the International Symposium on Viral Hepatitis and AIDS held in Beijing in April 1991, more than 100 papers on viral hepatitis were presented, several of which documented positive results of studies of Chinese herbal medicine. Studies of herbal antivirals and Xue-cooling and Xue-circulating herbs for repairing liver damage supported the hundreds of years of practical experience with Chinese herbs for the symptoms of hepatitis. A literature review by Dr. Ergil in 1995 revealed at least 55 herbal formulas that may be used to treat hepatitis clinically. Recent herbal studies in China and Australia showed positive results in hepatitis C using similar formulas to those used widely in clinics in the US. In the US, Chinese traditional medicine is a popular complementary or alternative therapy among patients with chronic liver disease. In a late 1990¡s anecdotal report from one of the largest clinical hepatology practices in San Francisco found that at least 20 to 30 percent of patients report use of Chinese herbal interventions for hepatitis. The level of use is probably underestimated because patients often choose not to divulge the use of complementary and alternative medicine therapies to their Western primary care physician. Chinese medicine uses nutrition, acupuncture, heat therapies such as moxibustion, exercise, massage, meditation, and herbal medicine for the treatment of people with HCV. Protocols have been developed that have successfully helped HCV infected people to decrease symptoms, normalize or lower liver enzyme levels, and slow down the progression of liver disease. A pilot study conducted among people co-infected with HIV and hepatitis at the Quan Yin Healing Arts Center in 1995 indicates that acupuncture alone may have an effect in lowering and normalizing liver enzyme levels. Bill Bill Asenjo, PhD, CRC www.billasenjo.com basenjo@... 319-530-4552 (cell) Re: Re: Am I selfish?????? Our liver is incredibly resiliant...it can even regenerate if it has been surgically altered! So, yes the progression of this disease can be very, very slow...which is about the only GOOD thing that comes with it. The progession depends on YOU and how well you care for yourself once you have been made aware that you have it. Your liver performs over 500 different functions for you! And if it is constantly working overtime removing junk that it should not have to...then doing all of the other important things it needs to will not be a priority. Best thing you can do is keep its environment as clean as possible. When deciding what is junk and what is not simply ask yourself where it came from. Is it found in nature? If you were a human in your natural " habitat " would you have access to it? Would you be attracted to it? And how DEAD is it? (shelf life?) The more dead it is, the less it can do for you. Especially those things of a chemical nature. I know there are some chemicals that cause harm to us that we have little control over, but there are plenty that we can say no to. " Just because you CAN do or have something...doesnt mean that you SHOULD " . It all depends on how well you want to live, and feel under this little black cloud of Hepatitis. Detox concoctions don't really make any sense to me...your liver is your " detox " organ...how do you detox the detox???? just a way to make $$$$ as far as I can tell. Iodine and some other plant phenols are natural anti-microbials and I believe that they can help more than some herbs can. Iodine is a necessary component for thyroid hormone production, and interestingly a lot of us with hep c have metabolic issues as well. I would imagine that our bodies find a way to use the iodine in our diet for its antimicrobial properties in the presence of a pathogen...leaving less available for hormone production. Carvacrol...found in oregano is quite a powerful antimicrobial as well. Along with a substance found in garlic. I have also been trying some thyroid hormone replacement to help with the fatigue...and I have been able to get along without my usual afternoon nap, after two weeks. Quote
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