bronchitis

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Dear :

The claritan is an antihistamine, one of three in this class, that

is supposed to help your system from releasing histamines into your

system when you are sensitive to something, without making you sleepy.

It is mostly used for " airborne " allergies, such as pollen, mildew,

mold, oak, etc., etc. I think I once wrote before that the three

medications in this category, (Allegra, Claritan and Zyrtec), that for

the vast majority of people, 1 or 2 of these may work for a person, but,

there is no way to predict which one will be good for someone. The only

way to truly know if it works or not is by trying it for 2-6 weeks,

because these are too unpredictable, and there really are no scientific

studies that show why one may work for someone, and another it is

useless.

It sounds like you would benefit with something that also has a

decongestant in it, such as the Allegra D or Claritan D. Also, a

stronger nasal steroid spray when be helpful, at least for a while. It

also sounds like you may benefit from using the guafensin, either with

or without sudafed. This will help to keep any of the sinus, nasal, or

upper respiratory secretions thinner, so it will either become

unnoticeable, or make it easier to get out, and that may avoid the

infection of your bronchial tubes.

There are many questions you should look into that may affect you

from getting sick again. Have you seen an ENT?, How many days is your

physician placing you on the antibiotic? Are you finishing the entire

course of meds? What is your physician using? Have they done a culture

and sensitivity study? Do you still have your tonsils?

There are a number of ways of approaching these problems, especially

if they are chronic. Recent studies have shown that sinus infections may

respond better using the oral form of Azithromicin for the 5 days,

waiting about another 5 days, and then repeating that antibiotic.

Also, if your provider is placing you on the same antibiotic each

time, you may be building a resistance to it's ability to kill whatever

bug you have. I hate to say it, but sometimes these are trial and

errors, and only in a very, very small number of cases it has been tried

to keep someone for a few days each month on an antibiotic as a

preventative method.

If your provider just gave you an antibiotic without a specific

culture, then switching to a different antibiotic may help. But, most

are all about the same size, and usually, if taken for 10-14 days, kills

most bugs which makes the culture useless, because you can have someone

go through a course of antibiotics, many times, before you get the

results of the culture, and they are so broad spectrum and cover most of

the more common bacteria.

If you are getting bronchitis frequently, more then 1-2 times a

year, an ENT consult, as well as a culture of your nose, throat, and

similar areas, would be the correct way to go. It may or may not offer

an answer, but, it would be the prudent way to go. Hope that helps, and

feel better. Marty

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Thank you Marty for the reply

After I knew about the hep but before I understood about hep (about 10 years

ago or so) I did see an ENT. He looked in my sinuses and said nothing wrong

but perhaps small cavities. (guess that goes with brain haha) I can't recall

if he did cultures. I tried several nose sprays, some burned like acid, some

didn't, over time none seemed to change how I reacted.

You may be right. I may need to ask for the D part

Yes I still have my tonsils. No we alternate antibiotics, altho I pretty

much know which ones work better (now on biaxin and that works pretty good

for me) than the others. Yes I take them the full 14 days. Never had a

culture or sensitivity study (and that may be because until very recently I

didn't have insurance the past few years). If Azithromiacin is the same as

Zithromax, took the 7 day thing but didn't try the one and off thing you

mentioned. (Guess I didn't have the 7 day bronchitis <chuckle>). Yes I am

now taking the Guafensen and that seems to help the most.

This is the 3rd time since July I've had this and my main concern is how I

can control and prevent before I start treatment. Definitely don't want this

while doing combo! Now that I DO have insurance it is something I can

continue to work on. I'll keep plugging away at it. I have several " health

items " I want to get under control or eliminate before starting combo.

You're suggestions were very helpful thanks!

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Thank you Marty for the reply

After I knew about the hep but before I understood about hep (about 10 years

ago or so) I did see an ENT. He looked in my sinuses and said nothing wrong

but perhaps small cavities. (guess that goes with brain haha) I can't recall

if he did cultures. I tried several nose sprays, some burned like acid, some

didn't, over time none seemed to change how I reacted.

You may be right. I may need to ask for the D part

Yes I still have my tonsils. No we alternate antibiotics, altho I pretty

much know which ones work better (now on biaxin and that works pretty good

for me) than the others. Yes I take them the full 14 days. Never had a

culture or sensitivity study (and that may be because until very recently I

didn't have insurance the past few years). If Azithromiacin is the same as

Zithromax, took the 7 day thing but didn't try the one and off thing you

mentioned. (Guess I didn't have the 7 day bronchitis <chuckle>). Yes I am

now taking the Guafensen and that seems to help the most.

This is the 3rd time since July I've had this and my main concern is how I

can control and prevent before I start treatment. Definitely don't want this

while doing combo! Now that I DO have insurance it is something I can

continue to work on. I'll keep plugging away at it. I have several " health

items " I want to get under control or eliminate before starting combo.

You're suggestions were very helpful thanks!

alley/

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Hello DC's

What a way to start the new year by helping colleague.............

Been using Short Wave Diathermy for past 43 years with excellent results for

bronchitis, early pneumonia ,residual post pneumonia and other infective

lung diseases.

The pad style diathermy is the best because you need to place the pads

(wrapped with one or two bath towels)A to P over all 4 quarters of the

lungs. Machine setting is to a WARM feeling to the patient for 10 minutes

each quarter. WARN the patient that " a low temp does a lot of good but if

the skin gets HOT and a burn occurs ( it's from the bone outward) it will

take one to two years to heal!!!!! You or your CA must frequently monitor

the patient and ask " How warm is it? "

Treat daily for 3 days, then every other day until lungs auscultate

" clear " as well as no other symtoms.

Provide the patient with lung nucleoprotein 2bid for 2 or more months to

rebuild the damaged tissues.

Over the years we have successfully treated many people who are antibiotic

resistant or don't care for the potential side effects.

Any questions, contact me.

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bronchitis

> Hello the camp:

>

> Seeking information for help with a problem: 65yo Male w/chronic

recurring

> bronchitis; sleep apnea (uses CPAP w/humidifier) and daily whiffers; he's

> been found via imaging to have 'a collapsed hemi-diaphragm' but the medics

> don't have any tx to offer. Ideas?

>

> Jack Pedersen, DC

> Sweet Home, Oregon

>

>

>

>

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Bob, I endorse your missive on the use of diathermy. My 40+ yr old

diathermy (even has tubes that hum) works very well for all manner of

respiratory conditions,as well as GI conditions. Been using it some for

bladder and bowel irritations of the garden variety(send out any occult

bleeders)., Most of the time this this service isPortlandcomplimentary,

and our patients love us for it. Always keep tne tx room door ajar, with

instructionsto call or get off the table if they get too warm. Ron

Johansen, Portland

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That is what my son had about a month ago...i would like an answer

too...there have been tons of people that i know who have had

bronchitis this year....interesting.

christina in canada

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> What " s the scoop with bronchitis? MY Sister in law says she has

> asthmatic bronchitis (she doesn't have asthma, is a smoker) and my

dh is

> concerned about our kids being around her this sunday. I was not

under

> the impression that bronchitis was 'contagious " in the viral sense.

Any

> information that I find on it talks about it as a chronic condition,

> where this seems to be more of an acute attack (but maybe part of a

> chronic problem). Anyway, is there any reason to be concerned? I

would

> almost rather they be around her in this condition than her normal,

> healthy, smoking like a chimney and reeking of it state.

> TIA.

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I have had bronchitis every year since I was a little kid. Quite

frequently when I was younger only about once a year now. It seems as

though some people are indeed more prone to getting it. It is an

infection (usually a secondary infection) in the lungs and can be viral

or bacterial. If you are generally healthy and your lungs are healthy it

is fairly easy to fight it off. If your lungs have any problems it

could be a little more hairy. My dd was born premature and then got RSV

when she was a year. Now whenever she gets a little cold it first turns

into broncitis and if we wait too long to take care of it, then into

pneumonia. It turns out that it was allergies that would set the ball in

motion. Now that we have eleminated the allergin, she has only had it

once this year. It started out as cold.

Sorry, this isn't great information but I hope it helps

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Actually bronchitis just means inflammation of the bronchi - those tubes

that go from each lung up to the trachea (1 tube) that then goes to the

back of your throat. It can be from bacteria, viruses, allergies,

inflammation from anything. Asthmatic bronchitis

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In a message dated 6/14/01 1:33:26 AM GTB Daylight Time, Chevy974@...

writes:

<<

Took baby to DR today she has bronchitis. tried several homeopathic remedies

with no improvement. Dr want her to take breathing treatments UGGH i dont

want her to Help ladies. If no better by tomorrow have to take her back.

Amy >>

The smart medicine book has a good section on bronchitis.Give that a try.

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amy,

how badly is her breathing? if she's able to breath on her own, why do the

breathing treatments (which i'm sure will include medications/drugs)? try to

" steam " her in the shower at home and keep an eye on her for a few days...i

say, (just my opinion here), lean towards the side of caution, but not to the

point of treating something that might clear up on it's own, KWIM? hope

she's doing better, so that you are comfortable to let her body do the work

it's designed to...have you tried echinacea and 'steaming " and trying to get

her to sleep as much as is possible? i know it's hard when they aren't

feeling well, but trading in a few more days of discomfort for all the

medications...it is a tough call. good luck amy, hope she's doing

better!!!!!!!

brigit,

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Did you take her to homeopath for her own remedy to fit her own symptome?

Chiroparactor?

Took baby to DR today she has bronchitis. tried several homeopathic remedies

with no improvement. Dr want her to take breathing treatments UGGH i dont

want her to Help ladies. If no better by tomorrow have to take her back.

Amy

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I am not a doctor and will not be responsible for any problems or

complications. Here it goes.

Eliminate any mucus forming foods such as dairy, sweets and fried foods

Drink water. Helspst o thin secretions so that they are easier to cough out

Broths and soups with ginger and garlic, healing, provides nutrients ans

water

Beta carotene hlps to heal mucus membranes. Give your child one dose, one

to two times a day

Vitamin c with bioflavonoids have anti inflammatory properties. one dose

three times a day

Zinc boost the immune system and speeds recovery. one to two doses of zinc

a day

Get an herbal cousgh syrup or make one containing slippery elm, licorice,

marshmellow root, and osh root

Thyme has a mild antimicrobia action and helps to reduce the spasmodic

cough. One doese, three times a day

You can also try a chinese cough medicine called Itsiao Keh Chuan

Rest interspersed with activity. the moderate activity is hlpful in keeping

secretions form settling and causing the development of pneumonia

humidifier to thin secretions and soothe the respiratory tract

Place a hot water bottle on the chest or back for twenty minutes every day.

eases breathing. especially in combinatin with humidifier

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>Subject: bronchitis

>Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 18:09:40 EDT

>

>Took baby to DR today she has bronchitis. tried several homeopathic

>remedies

>with no improvement. Dr want her to take breathing treatments UGGH i dont

>want her to Help ladies. If no better by tomorrow have to take her back.

>Amy

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Amy did you try Collidal silver? In one of my books that I have that is the

number 1 thing they recommened for bronchitis. Something that I have found

to help my daughter is called Bio-Remedy a syrup for children that I got at

GNC it is the only thing that will get her to stop coughing. Hope this

helps.

Janice

>From: Chevy974@...

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>Subject: bronchitis

>Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2001 18:09:40 EDT

>

>Took baby to DR today she has bronchitis. tried several homeopathic

>remedies

>with no improvement. Dr want her to take breathing treatments UGGH i dont

>want her to Help ladies. If no better by tomorrow have to take her back.

>Amy

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,

I took yesterday off of my group work and took the animals outside.

Ahhh...it was so nice to have nice weather, get outside, and watch

my rabbit roll in the grass and hop after butterflies, my bird freak

out when a crow flew overhead....just wonderful. My bronchitis is

getting better, my arm is a little worse, but I saw my Physical

Therapist today and he said that I should expect highs and lows, but

not to get discouraged. Don and I have to drive back to San

Francisco at the end of this month, and that is a tough drive. I'm

going to have to drive it, but when we moved up here I drove with a

broken ankle, I'm sure arm troubles will be easier to manage!

Thanks for asking. How are you doing?

Hugs,

> How are you feeling ? Any better? Bronchitis is ruft stuff.

I

> used to get it twice a year when I smoked. I quit for life 2 years

ago.

> How is your arm and your pinkie?

>

>

>

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I take 800 mg of Augmentin liquid twice a day for ten days and Mucinex for

the crap in my chest. I'm usually better in 2-3 days.

Vicki

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I'm sorry that you are so sick. I've been there before, many times. I

usually get put on a Z-pack, I don't remember the name, but you take it for

5 days. If that doesn't work, I get put on Augmentin. I also take over the

counter flu meds and syrups for the symptoms, I use the nebulizer treatment

every 4 hours, and I get the crap beat out of me, usually its mom or granny

pounding on my chest, side, and back, to get the phlegm to loosen up and

that helps me cough it up. Then I swallow it. Icky, I know. :-)

I truly hope you feel better soon. You're in my prayers.

Blessed Be,

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Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2006 2:42 PM

Subject: bronchitis

yuck. i was on a roll but now i have bronchitis. this junk is thick--it

keeps blocking off my airway. does anyone know the best antibiotic to treat

this?

Thanks, --personal webpage:

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uncharted land, or opened a new doorway for the human spirit. " - Helen

Keller.

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Jess,

Did you get a chest XRAY to rule out pneumonia? Also, to get a more

bacterial specific antibiotic they can take a sputum sample. I've been told

Augmenten (sp?) is a strong antibiotic, but I only take it if I'm desperate b/c

it's

harsh on the GI tract. I'm sick right now and am on my 2nd course of

Zithromax. 3 days of the antibiotic turned my secretions from yellow/green to

clear. Hope you feel better and this helps.

Kimi

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heaven20seven@... writes:

yuck. i was on a roll but now i have bronchitis. this junk is thick--it

keeps blocking off my airway. does anyone know the best antibiotic to treat

this?

[Guest guest]

I've never had any G.I. tract problems with Augmentin. I just take it with

food. I'm 48 and have been taking it for over 30 years or more.

Vicki

[Guest guest]

I never had any GI problems with Augmentin and I've been taking it for

bronchitis/pneumonia for more than 10 years now. Except I get pills, I

never got it in liquid form. So I know the bitter taste well, since I

usually have to cut the pills in half. I don't even take it with food.

Maybe my system is used to it by now. But my body reacts oddly to different

meds.

I guess I'm just wired in a weird way. :-)

Blessed Be,

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Behalf Of Doug

Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 9:38 AM

Subject: bronchitis

I take Levaquin for bronchitis, it works but I swear it makes me weaker, my

doctor says no, but..........I'm going to ask him about Augmentin,

especially since its liquid. Levaquin is a very large pill I have to crush

and chew, most horrrible taste you can imagine. Is it really hard on the gi

tract? Levaquin constipates me for days, my doc says its usually the

opposite!! Doug

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Doug,

Levaquin definitely makes me weaker for the 1st 3-4 hours after I

take it. Sometimes so much that I can't drive my wheelchair or hold

my head up. Whenever I take antibiotics I also take pro-biotics to

replenish the digestive bacteria in my gut. Here's a very good link

about them:

http://www.pdrhealth.com/drug_info/nmdrugprofiles/nutsupdrugs/pro_0034

..shtml

Alana

>

> I take Levaquin for bronchitis, it works but I swear it makes me

weaker, my

> doctor says no, but..........I'm going to ask him about Augmentin,

> especially since its liquid. Levaquin is a very large pill I have

to crush

> and chew, most horrrible taste you can imagine. Is it really hard

on the gi

> tract? Levaquin constipates me for days, my doc says its usually

the

> opposite!! Doug

>

[Guest guest]

,

I'm sorry you're sick. :-(

Kimi is right. For those of us likely to use antibiotics more

frequently, it's important to use an antibiotic that will kill the

specific strain of bacteria you have. I've been haphazardly put on an

antibiotic that wouldn't touch a bug I had. The broad-spectrum

antibiotics can be very powerful. It's good to save those for more

resistant bugs.

I now see an infectious disease specialist who takes a cultural before

prescribing. If I can't wait 2-3 days for a culture, she takes a

sample of whatever is infected, makes an educated guess on an

antibiotic, and then changes when culture results come back and there's

a more specific antibiotic to put me on.

I hope you feel better soon!

Alana

[Guest guest]

Get better fast! I mean it!

>

>

> Jess,

> Did you get a chest XRAY to rule out pneumonia? Also, to get a

more

> bacterial specific antibiotic they can take a sputum sample. I've

been told

> Augmenten (sp?) is a strong antibiotic, but I only take it if I'm

desperate b/c it's

> harsh on the GI tract. I'm sick right now and am on my 2nd course

of

> Zithromax. 3 days of the antibiotic turned my secretions from

yellow/green to

> clear. Hope you feel better and this helps.

> Kimi

>

>

> In a message dated 5/30/2006 3:43:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

> heaven20seven@... writes:

>

> yuck. i was on a roll but now i have bronchitis. this junk is

thick--it

> keeps blocking off my airway. does anyone know the best antibiotic

to treat

> this?

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Doug and Alana,

I had never taken Levaquin before until last month when I was in the hosptial.

Afterwards, I couldn't get over the congestion part of it so I called my pulm

Dr. back and sent in a sputem sample and he ordered me another 10 days of

Levaquin. I started on it again last friday and the next day I felt so much

better. . It worked really quickly for me. I have not experienced any weakness,

in fact I feel better this week than I have in over 2 months. I do believe it

is a little harsh on my stomach. I am having some diaharrea but its not too bad

right now. Funny how these drugs react so differently for each of us. I have

SMA, type 3 and I'm 57.

Lainie

Doug <doug696@...> wrote:

Alana, I knew I couldn't be the only one! Its the only pill that does that

to me. I can't feed myself, drive my chair, just an overwhelming weakness. I

know it was the Levaquin, because my strength returned when I stopped taking

it. I have some stockpiled too dammit, like to always be prepared, but that

incapacitation has to go. Will be finding other alternative meds in the

future. Come to think of it, Levaquin took a awful long time to work on me

this year. Maybe I've built up a tolerance to it. , you take Levaquin

don't you? Doug

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Yes I take levaquin and it makes a HUGE difference in so far as my lungs. I

haven¹t had to be hospitalized for pneumonia since I started using levaquin

and I used to have to go in every time I even got a cold. However, it does

make me weak, so much that sometimes I feel completely paralyzed by it.

Usually this side effect is only really bad the first or second day I take

it (I¹ve taken it for up to 21 days before) and it lessens a LOT after the

initial 1-2 doses. The other way I deal with it is to take it right before

bed so I can sleep through the weakness rather than in the morning (it¹s a

once a day antibiotic).

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> Alana, I knew I couldn't be the only one! Its the only pill that does that

> to me. I can't feed myself, drive my chair, just an overwhelming weakness. I

> know it was the Levaquin, because my strength returned when I stopped taking

> it. I have some stockpiled too dammit, like to always be prepared, but that

> incapacitation has to go. Will be finding other alternative meds in the

> future. Come to think of it, Levaquin took a awful long time to work on me

> this year. Maybe I've built up a tolerance to it. , you take Levaquin

> don't you? Doug

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Antibiotics are not necessary for a cold. Overuse of antibiotics is bad for

healthy gut flora (i.e, immune system). Probiotics on a regular basis is

better.

Have you tried homeopathic remedies? they are safe and effective. homeopathic

remedies worked fine for my 4mth old daugher when she got a cold last month.

she was over it in 2 days.

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Hi,

Does anyone know if antibiotics are neccessary for a 16 month old baby,

who has a cold and possible bronchitis? I allowed antibiotics two

months ago, when she got it, and it appears she has gotten it again.

But I am not positive antibiotics help a cold like this? But if they

do, should I give her probiotics at the same time to counteract the

anti?

Thanks,

Sorry off topic, Molly

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