Re: Battery Germ Killer

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>

> Hi there, I note with some interest than you think the BGk is more

> effective at killing germs than the Becks device.

> As a microbiologist who has been testing some of this type of

> technology I would find your explanation most helpful.

> Thanks

> Chris.

>

----this is from my earlier message..

I've got to put brakes on this idea that bG or something is better

than Beck. That is a huge generality and isn't going to benefit

anyone.

Better meaning easier to obtain? yes. cheaper? yes. more

effective? maybe. some think it is. I for one think it's more

comfortable to use, and probably acts faster than Beck's device.

Remember, though, Beck had a whole Protocol, the BECK PROTOCOL which

has been used for years and some say (quietly but they say it) that

it's very effective and a miracle in some cases.

Ok, see our files for a writeup of the differences.

We can't really prove anything since microscopes and staffs to do it

aren't forthcoming, show zero interest in this. So, it's up to us

to report findings, and see.

The plain old battery is a killer, for sure. 6 volts seems like the

a good " top range " specification that works for most people. Beck

didn't say his 4 hertz was critical to his device. Now that he's

gone, some are contradicting him and saying 4 hertz is a magic

formula, that they won't change anything for fear changing anything

might remove what was causing the good effects. Fine, who could

argue that?

For what it's worth, Beck saw the first godzilla design I made and

he said it was very clever. It was a box with some batteries in it,

a limiting resistor, a potentiometer (power adjusting knob) and a

knife switch. You threw the knife switch back and forth every

couple seconds in a rhythmic fashion to reverse polarity. It was

sort of boring to use, as you can imagine, but it did work fine. It

was simpler than Beck's design, the only thing making it hard for

people was the parts and soldering. Some way had to be found to

remove that limitation.

We are seeing rapid, very very rapid and permanent results on local

infections with these 6 volt lantern batteries and various ingenious

electrodes connected to them---and NOTHING else. NO devices were

used, just the electricity, the MICRO-electricity from a plain old,

battery. So really, it's now: Is a 6 volt battery better than

Beck's?

Another thing here: Beck didn't use his electrifier on local

infections directly--it seems-- and if he did, he didn't mention

it. He advised blood electrification as if that was going to handle

it all systemically, and magnetic pulsing and colloidal silver plus

ozonated water. Well, that could take some time. Magnetic pulsing

won't kill germs very well if at all. sorry, if it does, no

explanation as to why, the current it provides is infinitesimal

compared to battery current directly applied. Our battery is very

fast, and local. No ingestion of silver, no ozone ingestion, etc.

Taking Beck's blood electrifier device and using it directly on your

local infection could work, also, though it does not seem to be part

of Beck's protocol. Why he did not push that idea is a mystery to

me. Local infections is the lightning rod that can attract

attention to this idea. Big systemic infections are dangerous to

deal with from the standpoint of patient risks, and attacks from

providers whose treatments are abandoned, especially if there are

bad outcomes or imagined bad outcomes, even.

Using the electrodes directly on the infection, whether herpes

sores, sinuses, etc, is a godsend, yet he didn't say to do it. So,

is ours " better than Beck's " ? Yes and No. His might work fine like

that, but if it's never used that way, ours could appear " better "

since we do use it that way. And, further, see our files for the

results. There's yet in 6 years to be reported a local infection

not cleared right up with ours. I personally think Beck's could do

the same, maybe a little slower, for technical reasons I've been at

pains to explain that nobody seems to read.

Anatomy of germ hideouts! Find out where the germ is, and go to

it. It will not come to a device via the bloodstream, no way. Or to

a Zapper from handheld electrodes. Infected blood is rare and

called " septicemia " or some other scholastic aptitude type term.

Otherwise the blood is fairly clean, some exceptions. You need to

realize Beck was a physicist and not a medical doctor. He seemed to

know little about the body and pathology. He stepped into major

errors from lack of schooling in this, and disdain and hatred for

the doctor-critics who could have filled him in on how to proceed to

actually make this work! It is known to many physicians that

electricity DOES disable microbes. But, if they can't prescribe it,

to hell with it.

Let's say he alerted us all to the great possibility, the soundness

of the idea. And he provided a first version of a protocol to deal

with " all illness " . That idea is rubbish, yet the impetus is there

for much useful work to follow.

Find how to get the juice to the germ. We are doing just that.

What kind of juice, from what kind of device, is less important than

we GET THE JUICE TO THE GERM. That means, sorry, you have to get

the pathology right. No glib story or sweet heartfelt intentions

will do. Study up, it's worth it.

My opinion, more like a hunch, is to agree with Joe Hansen that this

battery thing works better than a Beck device if it's used the way

we are using it. I've owned many devices, including several

Beck's. These simple ones work fine for me and many others.

Beck did not always get the numbers down on HIV, and wound up

throwing up his hands on it, saying the role of HIV in AIDS is still

controversial. Had he known where the virus lives and how it works,

that only 2% lives in the blood, he would have understood why he was

getting lousy numbers despite symptomatic relief. He was rolling in

one direction very fast having saved some lives and being pumped

from it. Yet the final word on where HIV lives was not yet in.

Medicine had not conducted the required autopsies to trace the germ

when Beck died. There was a lot more to do for HIV, and he didn't

live to see the big revelations of how HIV inhabits the gut linings

98%. And, no, Colloidal silver will not rid us of it in the gut.

Hep-c. We had one case of it where the blood count stayed in the

millions with a Beck device used daily for an hour along with

colloidal silver. Why did it not kill the virus in blood? He

switched to our device, and the count dropped 99 percent in 15

weeks, never jumping up during the treatment, an hour a day with

ours instead of Beck's device, everything else the same. When he

quit it, the count went up, however. We found why: the virus

replicates inside the liver, you have to electrify the liver itself

or you will not seriously reduce this virus. We started that.

Note, Beck didn't find out about Hep-c, instead parroting over and

over about blood electrification he thought he knew it all. When

doctors might have objected, he accused them of stealing the

public's money for ineffective treatments..in other words he cut off

the observation of the effects and causes. You cannot do this

alone, you must be a team player even if you hate the rest of the

team.

The only reason I think we are doing such miracles with such crude

stuff is because nobody is even remotely interested in this

technique. Otherwise this would all look very primitive to the big

guys and they would instantly start tracking the microbes and

electrifying them with their shiny machines. We are doing that, but

it's: clumsy, voluntary, slow. Ok, that's our limitations. But our

opportunity here is awesome and unlimited, immense improvements over

life as it was for millions of people.

I would add: there's a steady corrosive effect of DC that may be

more effective than AC. Reversing current too fast can leave the net

charge=zero and less effective on microbes. People's nerves reacting

to the AC can cause them to have to lower the output versus the

higher comfort level of DC.

bG

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi there, I note with some interest than you think the BGk is more

> effective at killing germs than the Becks device.

> As a microbiologist who has been testing some of this type of

> technology I would find your explanation most helpful.

> Thanks

> Chris.

>

See back posts re your equivalent circuit - a resistance in

parallel w a distributed capacitance.

Joe.

[Guest guest]

Thanks for you reply bG.

I was hoping for some scientific DATA, like tests on plates and

cultures or even live microscopy.

I do find your experiance very interesting, and can sense you fell

very strongly about your subject, which is great to see.

I hope to be doing more lab tests in the future with Becks and s

Zapper on E coli and Staph albus.

This should happen in the new year.

CH

[Guest guest]

Thanks for you reply bG.

I was hoping for some scientific DATA, like tests on plates and

cultures or even live microscopy.

I do find your experiance very interesting, and can sense you fell

very strongly about your subject, which is great to see.

I hope to be doing more lab tests in the future with Becks and s

Zapper on E coli and Staph albus.

This should happen in the new year.

CH

[Guest guest]

Good to hear you're doing this. Please keep us posted. You might try

ordinary DC as one of the tests. The reason is simply that people can

use dc readily in all parts of the World, and it is easily applied. It

avoids a lot of legal issues, too.

bG

>

> Thanks for you reply bG.

> I was hoping for some scientific DATA, like tests on plates and

> cultures or even live microscopy.

> I do find your experiance very interesting, and can sense you fell

> very strongly about your subject, which is great to see.

> I hope to be doing more lab tests in the future with Becks and s

> Zapper on E coli and Staph albus.

>

> This should happen in the new year.

> CH

>

[Guest guest]

Good to hear you're doing this. Please keep us posted. You might try

ordinary DC as one of the tests. The reason is simply that people can

use dc readily in all parts of the World, and it is easily applied. It

avoids a lot of legal issues, too.

bG

>

> Thanks for you reply bG.

> I was hoping for some scientific DATA, like tests on plates and

> cultures or even live microscopy.

> I do find your experiance very interesting, and can sense you fell

> very strongly about your subject, which is great to see.

> I hope to be doing more lab tests in the future with Becks and s

> Zapper on E coli and Staph albus.

>

> This should happen in the new year.

> CH

>

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Please explain.. What happened to:-

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It appears to be GONE If it has, does anyone know where the

messages might be located? .. Thanks Noel

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I have just checked this too......and it says the group no longer

exists.............i cannot understand why this is.........mike was

always forthcoming with this group......and i found it very

interesting and was looking forward to the new design

device...........hope all is well with him......and nothing

untowards has happened......

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> Please explain.. What happened to:-

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> dMore/

> It appears to be GONE If it has, does anyone know where the

> messages might be located? .. Thanks Noel

>

[Guest guest]

I have just checked this too......and it says the group no longer

exists.............i cannot understand why this is.........mike was

always forthcoming with this group......and i found it very

interesting and was looking forward to the new design

device...........hope all is well with him......and nothing

untowards has happened......

>

> Please explain.. What happened to:-

>

MicroCurrentHealingDiabeticUlcer

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> dMore/

> It appears to be GONE If it has, does anyone know where the

> messages might be located? .. Thanks Noel

>