Guest guest Posted January 21, 2005 Report Share Posted January 21, 2005 Another explanation: Look at: http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina162.html There one can see the Resonant Field Imaging. (It is one of the best systems for determining auras!) .. It is an american system, where on 40 points around the body frequencies are measured, which are then put into a computer programm, which than gives a color and explanation of the corresponding aura's. Those frequencies lie in the MHz region. They are measured with a frequency counter. If the health or emotion changes, the frequencies change accordingly. So, ES people can *sense* those auras or frequency fields. Some people can feel auras, some can see them, and others can feel and see them at the same time. Greetings, Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton Antivirus Re: Weird question > > > > > > > Here's a strange one: Have anyone on this list had their symptoms > > triggered by exposure to a *person*? > > > > Oh, yeah. People with static buildup have caused this for me and > getting them to go 'feet bare' in my vicinity works well. You could > also invest in some grounding work shoes to keep your charge balanced > with the local situation. I bought some at Red Wing Shoes after Marc > mentioned them. (Thx, Marc!) > > People who have a lot of emotional 'charge', from having been stressed > at work, being angry, or whatever, can also do this to me if I'm > having a low day. > > Or folks who've been around a chemical I'm sensitive to can do this, > too. > > > > > Could my body really be acting like an EMF transmitter? And, if > > so, what can I do to prevent or reduce this effect? > > > > The human body does have EM fields associated with it, and the hands > and feet are particularly reactive to these fields as well as being > good transmitters of them. These fields are easily detectable by > other peoples' systems within a few feet, creating responses even in > non-ES ppl though they may not be consciously aware of their response. > > You can absorb and store a lot of information from your day in your > body's field, reconfiguring it. Very sensitive folk can be highly > affected by this information/reconfiguration. Your system's field may > have been entrained by EMF around it, imprinting you with the signal > qualities you've been heavily exposed, or are susceptible, to. This > EM 'information imprint' can cause a reaction in someone sensitive to > that information. > > I find what the other list members have said help with this situation > work for me, too. > > Beau > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2005 Report Share Posted January 21, 2005 This theory would be easy to test. Just use a body voltage sensor (see http://www.lessemf.com/es.html#183 if you need such a device). See if your body voltage level corresponds to how sensitive your husband is to you. Higher body voltage = greater sensitivity? If this is true, it will be very easy to correct. Emil At 02:04 PM 1/21/2005, you wrote: >Hello, > >another explanation could be: > >The body tension of the other person can be extremely high, especially when >they have worked in a radiated surrounding all day. >This high body tension, which can be as high as 55.000 mV (as I have >measured) or even higher, can be percepted by an electrosensible person. > >This can also have an impact on the aura of the other person, which can be >percepted by the electrosensible, which is by nature very sensitive. > >This very sensitive perception, as I have learned, can go so far, as that >those sensibles felt the oncoming tsunamis or earth quackes. >They felt vibrations and as the feeling as if they were completely under >some kind of electricity. > >The latter brings up another idea. >If those sensibles felt the upcoming events as some kind of frequencies, it >may be possible that those naughty Army men were playing at HAARP, and that >something went astray. >One wonders. >It may be farfetched, but it is not impossible. > >Greetings, > Claessens >member Verband Baubiologie >www.milieuziektes.nl >www.hetbitje.nl >checked by Norton Antivirus > > > > > > > Weird question > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's a strange one: Have anyone on this list had their symptoms > > triggered by > > > exposure to a *person*? Today, after a low-symptom day, my husband > > welcomed > > > me home from work and *instantly* experienced ES symptoms. Took us a >while > > > to recognize the trigger, but then we realized his pain was caused by > > proximity > > > to *me*. Blindfolded, he could tell which foot my hand was near -- as >soon > > as I > > > got within 2 feet of him, he felt crummy. (No jokes please -- we usually > > enjoy > > > each other's company.) > > > > > > I work at a computer all day and even I can feel the buzzing in my hands > > and legs > > > for hours after I leave work. (Everyone in the company uses Treos, surfs > > > wirelessly, etc.) Could my body really be acting like an EMF >transmitter? > > And, if > > > so, what can I do to prevent or reduce this effect? > > > > > > Cara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2005 Report Share Posted January 21, 2005 Glenn, did you notice anything pertaining to your eyes when you were becoming symptomatic in the face-to-face situations? I've noticed a strain on my vision, like someone being too close or a poorly lighted environment (too dim or too bright) can make me more sensitive. Beau > These have been the most fascinating discussions (for me break-throughs) in > better understanding ES symptoms. > > I almost always feel very ill and get my worst ES symptoms if I talk face to > face with people for extended periods of time (30 minutes or more). I never > linked it to ES since I had no logical explanation, but I had suspected that > it was an energy problem. I also noticed that under certain circumstances > that I didn't feel very much symptoms when talking for a long time face to > face, but my environment was different (probably better grounded). > > This has been my phobia about going back to work, to have these extreme ES > symptoms when attempting to meet with people. > > This opens up new opportunity to experiment with grounding through salt > bathes, etc, to see how it changes my tolerance when talking face to face > with people. > > Thank you, Thank you, Thank you > > Glenn > > >From: " Stichting Milieuziektes " <milieuziektes@s...> > >Reply- > >< > > >Subject: Re: Weird question > >Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:04:34 +0100 > > > >Hello, > > > >another explanation could be: > > > >The body tension of the other person can be extremely high, especially when > >they have worked in a radiated surrounding all day. > >This high body tension, which can be as high as 55.000 mV (as I have > >measured) or even higher, can be percepted by an electrosensible person. > > > >This can also have an impact on the aura of the other person, which can be > >percepted by the electrosensible, which is by nature very sensitive. > > > >This very sensitive perception, as I have learned, can go so far, as that > >those sensibles felt the oncoming tsunamis or earth quackes. > >They felt vibrations and as the feeling as if they were completely under > >some kind of electricity. > > > >The latter brings up another idea. > >If those sensibles felt the upcoming events as some kind of frequencies, it > >may be possible that those naughty Army men were playing at HAARP, and that > >something went astray. > >One wonders. > >It may be farfetched, but it is not impossible. > > > >Greetings, > > Claessens > >member Verband Baubiologie > >www.milieuziektes.nl > >www.hetbitje.nl > >checked by Norton Antivirus > > > > > > > > > > > > Weird question > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's a strange one: Have anyone on this list had their symptoms > > > triggered by > > > > exposure to a *person*? Today, after a low-symptom day, my husband > > > welcomed > > > > me home from work and *instantly* experienced ES symptoms. Took us a > >while > > > > to recognize the trigger, but then we realized his pain was caused by > > > proximity > > > > to *me*. Blindfolded, he could tell which foot my hand was near -- as > >soon > > > as I > > > > got within 2 feet of him, he felt crummy. (No jokes please -- we > >usually > > > enjoy > > > > each other's company.) > > > > > > > > I work at a computer all day and even I can feel the buzzing in my > >hands > > > and legs > > > > for hours after I leave work. (Everyone in the company uses Treos, > >surfs > > > > wirelessly, etc.) Could my body really be acting like an EMF > >transmitter? > > > And, if > > > > so, what can I do to prevent or reduce this effect? > > > > > > > > Cara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2005 Report Share Posted January 21, 2005 , have you had good reproducible results tracking RFI measurements with respect to known health affecters, detrimental and beneficial? What would you recommend it for in terms of diagnostic work? Also, what texts or articles would you recommend for reading up on the phenomenon of body tension and standardized ways to measure and deal with it? Thx, Beau > Another explanation: > > Look at: http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina162.html > > There one can see the Resonant Field Imaging. > (It is one of the best systems for determining auras!) > . > It is an american system, where on 40 points around the body frequencies are > measured, which are then put into a computer programm, which than gives a > color and explanation of the corresponding aura's. > > Those frequencies lie in the MHz region. They are measured with a frequency > counter. > If the health or emotion changes, the frequencies change accordingly. > > So, ES people can *sense* those auras or frequency fields. > Some people can feel auras, some can see them, and others can feel and see > them at the same time. > > Greetings, > Claessens > member Verband Baubiologie > www.milieuziektes.nl > www.hetbitje.nl > checked by Norton Antivirus > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2005 Report Share Posted January 21, 2005 Thanks everyone. Will try the following: 1. Polarizer pendant at work 2. Quantum Power strip at office workstation (these are my husband's but I can borrow them for testing purposes, especially since grounding his workstation outlets has worked so well) 3. salt baths as soon as I get home ( " I'm sorry dinner will be late, honey, but I'm really doing this for you… " ) 4. Red Wing shoes (if I can find the right type in women's sizes and suitable for a " corporate " setting – any suggestions?) Also: 5. Decommissioned my Airport base station. No more Internet surfing at home until I can figure out how to do it the old-fashioned (wired) way. 6. Can't decommission cell phone, unfortunately, but definitely cell phone will be OFF while at home. Have also noticed that cell phone use seems to leave a charge in my body that could potentially trigger symptoms in an ES person near me. This list is the best. Cara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2005 Report Share Posted January 21, 2005 > 4. Red Wing shoes (if I can find the right type in women's sizes > and suitable for a " corporate " setting – any suggestions?) I don't know about the choices in shoe styles, but the feature you are looking for is called " Static-Dissipative " http://www.evaluationengineering.com/archive/articles/0998esd.htm http://www.ce-mag.com/suppliers/cat/449.html Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2005 Report Share Posted January 21, 2005 I have mentioned at the very beginning of the List, there really seems to be some connection between ES and other sensitivities, the most weird of is - sensitivity to persons... The Russian Gamma 7 neutralizer is claimed to be effective against that as well, besides protecting against EMF impact... Personally, I believe that no " human source of EMF " is relevant when we sense the impact from other persons, more likely is that it just has the same " denominator " with ES... Possibly the same (still musterious) principle is underlying the both phenomena... Practically, emotional condition (distress) of a person is one of the causes of his unpleasant invisible impact to others... How it is transmitted is very unknown. (Anyway, the fact this kind of sensing is really possible, doesn't mean it is happening everytime we believe it does! On contrary, once you try to make blind tests, it could prove that just the small part of our assumptions is true!) Drasko Weird question > > > Here's a strange one: Have anyone on this list had their symptoms triggered by > exposure to a *person*? Today, after a low-symptom day, my husband welcomed > me home from work and *instantly* experienced ES symptoms. Took us a while > to recognize the trigger, but then we realized his pain was caused by proximity > to *me*. Blindfolded, he could tell which foot my hand was near -- as soon as I > got within 2 feet of him, he felt crummy. (No jokes please -- we usually enjoy > each other's company.) > > I work at a computer all day and even I can feel the buzzing in my hands and legs > for hours after I leave work. (Everyone in the company uses Treos, surfs > wirelessly, etc.) Could my body really be acting like an EMF transmitter? And, if > so, what can I do to prevent or reduce this effect? > > Cara > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2005 Report Share Posted January 21, 2005 Hello Beau, yes, I've had some remarkable results with RFI. It is not supposed to work as a diagnostic means, but many use it that way. About body tension, there is not much literature. The entering resistance must have 10 MOhm and a capacity of less than 100 pF, in order to obtain comparable measurements. The person must lie on the bed, and the COM connector must be grounded and on the enter connector a hand electrode is connected. measurements are done in the AC position. Greetings, Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton Antivirus Re: Weird question > > > , have you had good reproducible results tracking RFI > measurements with respect to known health affecters, detrimental and > beneficial? What would you recommend it for in terms of diagnostic > work? > > Also, what texts or articles would you recommend for reading up on the > phenomenon of body tension and standardized ways to measure and deal > with it? > > Thx, > Beau > > > Another explanation: > > > > Look at: http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina162.html > > > > There one can see the Resonant Field Imaging. > > (It is one of the best systems for determining auras!) > > . > > It is an american system, where on 40 points around the body > frequencies are > > measured, which are then put into a computer programm, which than > gives a > > color and explanation of the corresponding aura's. > > > > Those frequencies lie in the MHz region. They are measured with a > frequency > > counter. > > If the health or emotion changes, the frequencies change > accordingly. > > > > So, ES people can *sense* those auras or frequency fields. > > Some people can feel auras, some can see them, and others can feel > and see > > them at the same time. > > > > Greetings, > > Claessens > > member Verband Baubiologie > > www.milieuziektes.nl > > www.hetbitje.nl > > checked by Norton Antivirus > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2005 Report Share Posted January 22, 2005 > > > Another explanation: > > > > > > Look at: http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina162.html > > > > > > There one can see the Resonant Field Imaging. > > > (It is one of the best systems for determining auras!) > > > . > > > It is an american system, where on 40 points around the body > > frequencies are > > > measured, which are then put into a computer programm, which than > > gives a > > > color and explanation of the corresponding aura's. > > > > > > Those frequencies lie in the MHz region. They are measured with a > > frequency > > > counter. > > > If the health or emotion changes, the frequencies change > > accordingly. > > > > > > So, ES people can *sense* those auras or frequency fields. > > > Some people can feel auras, some can see them, and others can feel > > and see > > > them at the same time. > > > > > > Greetings, > > > Claessens > > > member Verband Baubiologie > > > www.milieuziektes.nl > > > www.hetbitje.nl > > > checked by Norton Antivirus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2005 Report Share Posted January 22, 2005 Randolf, you can ground to the actual earth by running your grounding wire outside, down the stairs, and into the ground outside the building. I purchased an extra long spool of grounding wire for this purpose when I was testing apartments on 2nd and 3rd floors. Or, if that's not possible (no earth/urban environment) you can test the electrical outlets using a circuit tester, and if one of them tests as correctly grounded, use that as your ground. I've done comparisons of earth vs. grounded outlet as a ground when taking body voltage measurements, and they seem roughly equivalent. Experts on this list, please correct me if I am mistaken. Cara ---- > Hello, > > I am in Asia and often stay in Guesthouses. The waterpipes are of > plastic and there is often no heating so that I cannot get grounding on > the second floor. How to measure for electric fields? > > Randolf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 Just to confirm my impression of the Quantum Power strip's effectiveness, when I got home today I asked my husband whether I felt less " energy-toxic " to him. On a scale of 1-10 (10 being the worst) he rated me rated a 2 -- vs. the 7 or 8 I had last Friday. (Woo hoo! This could be my lucky night...) One other point of interest -- and this relates to Beau's comment last week about how one person's emotional charge can trigger ES symptoms in someone else -- I've bee experiencing a spike in work related stress since late last week. I've wondered if husband's recent ES symptoms around me might have been related to this, but have had no actual evidence to support this speculation. Today, observationally, my husband mentioned how at around 4 a.m. he happened to be awake and noticed that I felt *red hot energy toxic* to the touch. I knew instantly what he was talking about because I remembered awakening suddenly at 4 a.m. today and feeling the instant rush of stress/adrenaline throughout my body at the thought of having to go in to work in a few hours. I lay quietly in bed, conscious of my body burning with stress, but I never said a word about this to my husband. When he brought it up this afternoon, it struck me that my *emotional* state has been registering as actual *physical* energy to him. He feels it very strongly and distinctly, not the vague way I can sometimes sense when someone is in a bad mood -- he feels it concretely the way I would feel the heat from an oven set to " broil. " . This is wild and crazy stuff. As it happens, I took several steps at work today to alleviate my stress and I also used the Quantum Power strip... so my reduced " energy toxicity " is attributable to a few different things. Usually the multiplicity of possible factors makes me uncertain about everything, but this time I'm fairly confident both factors are at work, not just one or the other, or neither. Hey, are we all learning all kinds of bizarre stuff here, or is it just me? :-) Cara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 Hello, this things are real but mainstreamsuppressed. I know that social workers in Germany used psychic attacks for instance as a means of pressure against people. But when you speak about it you are labeled crazy. One of the many double standards the mainstream consists of. Here is a book where you find more about this stuff but there are others as well. Judy Hall The Art of Psychic Protection Randolf Weinand > > Just to confirm my impression of the Quantum Power strip's > effectiveness, when I got home today I asked my husband > whether I felt less " energy-toxic " to him. On a scale of 1-10 (10 > being the worst) he rated me rated a 2 -- vs. the 7 or 8 I had last > Friday. (Woo hoo! This could be my lucky night...) > > One other point of interest -- and this relates to Beau's comment > last week about how one person's emotional charge can trigger > ES symptoms in someone else -- I've bee experiencing a spike > in work related stress since late last week. I've wondered if > husband's recent ES symptoms around me might have been > related to this, but have had no actual evidence to support this > speculation. > > Today, observationally, my husband mentioned how at around 4 > a.m. he happened to be awake and noticed that I felt *red hot > energy toxic* to the touch. I knew instantly what he was talking > about because I remembered awakening suddenly at 4 a.m. > today and feeling the instant rush of stress/adrenaline > throughout my body at the thought of having to go in to work in a > few hours. I lay quietly in bed, conscious of my body burning with > stress, but I never said a word about this to my husband. When > he brought it up this afternoon, it struck me that my *emotional* > state has been registering as actual *physical* energy to him. > He feels it very strongly and distinctly, not the vague way I can > sometimes sense when someone is in a bad mood -- he feels it > concretely the way I would feel the heat from an oven set to > " broil. " . This is wild and crazy stuff. > > As it happens, I took several steps at work today to alleviate my > stress and I also used the Quantum Power strip... so my > reduced " energy toxicity " is attributable to a few different things. > Usually the multiplicity of possible factors makes me uncertain > about everything, but this time I'm fairly confident both factors are > at work, not just one or the other, or neither. > > Hey, are we all learning all kinds of bizarre stuff here, or is it just > me? :-) > > Cara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2005 Report Share Posted January 24, 2005 >Hey, are we all learning all kinds of bizarre stuff here, or is it just >me? :-) I think we are learning that we are all made out of energy, and through ES are learning more about our bodies than many humans learn in a lifetime. It is a gift that we can voice our thoughts about what our intuition is telling us, without a doctor shutting the door on our ideas. We are a live test lab for ES, and our results are real, and doctors could learn allot about ES by what is happening in this group. Our reason for doing our research is not money, but our life, so our unwaivering focus and determination is at its peak. It is an ideal research playground, with our minds wide open. I agree at times I feel like we are speculating on some things that seem from another planet, but without going there we may not make any progress. Glenn >From: " Cara " <cara_evangelista@...> >Reply- > >Subject: Re: weird question >Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2005 03:12:47 -0000 > > >Just to confirm my impression of the Quantum Power strip's >effectiveness, when I got home today I asked my husband >whether I felt less " energy-toxic " to him. On a scale of 1-10 (10 >being the worst) he rated me rated a 2 -- vs. the 7 or 8 I had last >Friday. (Woo hoo! This could be my lucky night...) > >One other point of interest -- and this relates to Beau's comment >last week about how one person's emotional charge can trigger >ES symptoms in someone else -- I've bee experiencing a spike >in work related stress since late last week. I've wondered if >husband's recent ES symptoms around me might have been >related to this, but have had no actual evidence to support this >speculation. > >Today, observationally, my husband mentioned how at around 4 >a.m. he happened to be awake and noticed that I felt *red hot >energy toxic* to the touch. I knew instantly what he was talking >about because I remembered awakening suddenly at 4 a.m. >today and feeling the instant rush of stress/adrenaline >throughout my body at the thought of having to go in to work in a >few hours. I lay quietly in bed, conscious of my body burning with >stress, but I never said a word about this to my husband. When >he brought it up this afternoon, it struck me that my *emotional* >state has been registering as actual *physical* energy to him. >He feels it very strongly and distinctly, not the vague way I can >sometimes sense when someone is in a bad mood -- he feels it >concretely the way I would feel the heat from an oven set to > " broil. " . This is wild and crazy stuff. > >As it happens, I took several steps at work today to alleviate my >stress and I also used the Quantum Power strip... so my >reduced " energy toxicity " is attributable to a few different things. >Usually the multiplicity of possible factors makes me uncertain >about everything, but this time I'm fairly confident both factors are >at work, not just one or the other, or neither. > >>Hey, are we all learning all kinds of bizarre stuff here, or is it just >me? :-) >Cara > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 I am very happy you are getting tangible results. A couple of years before I was ES, my wife would be burning to touch in bed. I would be shocked sometimes if I would touch her on the elbow. Now that I look back and after discovering the grounding problems and spring coil issues of our mattress, be sure to double check your body voltage while lying in bed. Body Voltage meters are only $25 or so from lessemf.com. Grounding the bed and also preventive the coils to resonate with the outside microwave radiation is another element. Again, I am so glad to hear that you are making progress! On Jan 24, 2005, at 10:12 PM, Cara wrote: > > > Just to confirm my impression of the Quantum Power strip's > effectiveness, when I got home today I asked my husband > whether I felt less " energy-toxic " to him. On a scale of 1-10 (10 > being the worst) he rated me rated a 2 -- vs. the 7 or 8 I had last > Friday. (Woo hoo! This could be my lucky night...) > > One other point of interest -- and this relates to Beau's comment > last week about how one person's emotional charge can trigger > ES symptoms in someone else -- I've bee experiencing a spike > in work related stress since late last week. I've wondered if > husband's recent ES symptoms around me might have been > related to this, but have had no actual evidence to support this > speculation. > > Today, observationally, my husband mentioned how at around 4 > a.m. he happened to be awake and noticed that I felt *red hot > energy toxic* to the touch. I knew instantly what he was talking > about because I remembered awakening suddenly at 4 a.m. > today and feeling the instant rush of stress/adrenaline > throughout my body at the thought of having to go in to work in a > few hours. I lay quietly in bed, conscious of my body burning with > stress, but I never said a word about this to my husband. When > he brought it up this afternoon, it struck me that my *emotional* > state has been registering as actual *physical* energy to him. > He feels it very strongly and distinctly, not the vague way I can > sometimes sense when someone is in a bad mood -- he feels it > concretely the way I would feel the heat from an oven set to > " broil. " . This is wild and crazy stuff. > > As it happens, I took several steps at work today to alleviate my > stress and I also used the Quantum Power strip... so my > reduced " energy toxicity " is attributable to a few different things. > Usually the multiplicity of possible factors makes me uncertain > about everything, but this time I'm fairly confident both factors are > at work, not just one or the other, or neither. > > Hey, are we all learning all kinds of bizarre stuff here, or is it just > me? :-) > > Cara > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Glenn, I could not agree with you more. It takes a lot to break down a person's natural resistance and get to this point, though. For me and my husband: years of disappointment in the medical profession before we took responsibility for our own learning and recovery. Years more to trust what our bodies were saying in spite of how irrational and unscientific these impressions seemed. And, on a relationship level -- years more to trust each other enough to believe this condition is an illness that we need to grapple with together, not an excuse on the part of the one person to withdraw from the relationship or not meet the other's needs. I still blush with shame at my reaction, years ago, when my husband first told me his computer " hurt " him. He meant it perfectly straightforwardly -- the keyboard was literally electrocuting him every time he touched it . Even I could feel the " buzz " from it at the time. But I took offense at his remark because I had chosen his new computer and put a lot of research into the selection... A computer can't hurt anyone, I thought, so he was obviously just being irrational and difficult for some reason I couldn't fathom. The result was that my husband used that dang computer for years, and it was years before we realized he was ES. There were plenty of clues for both of us: we just had too many blinders in place to see them. What you say, Glenn, about the medical profession being closed off to the simple facts we are discovering, is absolutely true. But I have been just as closeminded as our many doctors, with zero excuse. My policy now is to take every little observation and bit of evidence at face value and seize on it as an opportunity to learn something valuable, and to heal. Our bodies often know better than our minds (big lesson for me). Eventually science will catch up to what our bodies are teaching us, but with luck by then we'll all be feeling so much better we won't mind one bit that we had to do to get here. Cara -- In , " Glenn " <glennhcoleman@h...> wrote: > It is a gift that we can voice our thoughts about what our intuition is > telling us, without a doctor shutting the door on our ideas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2005 Report Share Posted June 1, 2005 Hang on ! I have some monster thighs.....always have and probably always will. My poor 13 year old daughter may be cursed as well. I have noticed since doing BFL since February 9th and losing 23 pounds that my thighs are trimming down. I actually have a shorter skirt on today and the thighs don't look too bad........just as long as the sun doesn't hit them just right.....I'm 40 okay! Ha! Anyhow, I just want to encourage you to keep pressing on.....it is usually our most hated area that is the last to go. Now that I am seeing some changes in the thigh area I am even more motivated to work them hard. Keep eating clean and working hard........you will see results! > I was curious if anyone else has the same problem that I have and that > would be that one of my legs is slightly bigger than the other. You > cant tell by looking at it but I notice sometimes in my jeans because > they are tighter on that leg and also when I sit in the saddle ( I > ride horses for a living) and look down it is noticeable to me and it > drives me CRAZY. To measure it, there is only about a half an inch > difference but to me when I look at it, it seems MUCH bigger. My legs > are the part of me that I hate to the point that when I think about > how ugly they look I want to just cry. I wont wear anything but jeans > or sweats. I have been working out now for about 8 weeks and I don't > notice any difference in them at all. They still look fat and flabby. > Thanks for letting me vent, I am getting very discouraged. > Kathrine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2005 Report Share Posted June 1, 2005 I guess my thighs bother me so much because I NEVER had a problem with them before. I use to always have shapely legs. I am now 34, I weigh at 127 and I am 5'5. But when I look at my legs they are jiggly and there is no definition to them at all which is surprising to me since I am so active spending most the day in the saddle or walking back and forth from the stall to the grooming area. I work out with a trainer 3 days a week but only one day is legs and then my downfall is cardio. I don't do it half as much as I should but I made myself last night. I got so discouraged last week that I just started eating what I wanted and drinking my fav thing Dr Pepper. Thanks for the words of encouragement. Kathrine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2005 Report Share Posted June 1, 2005 I know what I am going to do today when I ride...I am gonna be checking to SEE if I DO lean to one side more lol...When my trainer has me to do legs it is never with machines it is always free weights or no weights at all but mostly free weights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2005 Report Share Posted June 1, 2005 I just wanted to tell you that the leg thing is totally and completely normal. Nearly everybody has one side that's bigger than the other. If you're right handed, it's usually your left leg that's bigger. Most people just aren't aware of it because they'd rather poke both eyes out than oh, say, wrap a tape measure around a thigh. :-) And as far as de-flabbing the legs, I have three words for you - intense interval cardio. Fat cells HATE that. They will leave. Especially if you're also feeding them chicken and broccoli. On 6/1/05, lilazbrat <lilazbrat@...> wrote: > I was curious if anyone else has the same problem that I have and that > would be that one of my legs is slightly bigger than the other. You > cant tell by looking at it but I notice sometimes in my jeans because > they are tighter on that leg and also when I sit in the saddle ( I > ride horses for a living) and look down it is noticeable to me and it > drives me CRAZY. To measure it, there is only about a half an inch > difference but to me when I look at it, it seems MUCH bigger. My legs > are the part of me that I hate to the point that when I think about > how ugly they look I want to just cry. I wont wear anything but jeans > or sweats. I have been working out now for about 8 weeks and I don't > notice any difference in them at all. They still look fat and flabby. > Thanks for letting me vent, I am getting very discouraged. > Kathrine > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2005 Report Share Posted June 1, 2005 I have noticed while lifting weights when doing arms that my right arm is stronger than my left but I am left handed...I would of thought it was the other way around Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2005 Report Share Posted June 1, 2005 Nope, not weird. Everything on my left is somewhat larger than the opposing muscle on the right. It's subtle, but probably enough to kick me out of any competition ranks. I try to work extra reps or heavier weight on the right, and hope that over time things will even out. Working unilaterally with arms and legs helps too. Stasia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2005 Report Share Posted June 1, 2005 > I was curious if anyone else has the same problem that I have and that > would be that one of my legs is slightly bigger than the other. You > cant tell by looking at it but I notice sometimes in my jeans because > they are tighter on that leg and also when I sit in the saddle ( I > ride horses for a living) and look down it is noticeable to me and it > drives me CRAZY. Mine are the same way. I had exploratory knee surgery when I was 18 and that leg is 1/2 " smaller than my other leg. I notice it more in shorts as one leg rides a tad bit higher. Colleen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2005 Report Share Posted June 1, 2005 > I have noticed while lifting weights when doing arms that my right arm is stronger than my left but I am left handed...I would of thought it was the other way around > Do you do most things left-handed or right-handed? I am technically left-handed but the only things I do left-handed are eat, write, brush my teeth and shoot pool. Everything else I do right-handed so it would make sense that my right side is a tad bigger. Colleen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2005 Report Share Posted June 8, 2005 > I have noticed while lifting weights when doing arms that my right arm is stronger than my left but I am left handed...I would of thought it was the other way around > > I guess that is not necessarily the case. I always thought I would be stronger on my left side (I am left-handed), but when a personal trainer noticed I was stronger on my right side than my left side for a particular exercise, I questioned him on that. He said that people are not always stronger on their dominant side, often it is the opposite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2005 Report Share Posted August 1, 2005 Almost everyone is asymmetrical in some parts of their bodies - lots of women for instance have a one breast that is bigger than the other or one eye that is seemingly bigger than the other. Are you working out mostly with machines that engage both extremities at once? Perhaps working your legs independantly of eachother & using free weights will cause which ever of your legs is the weakest to catch up to the other. Personally, I use a mix of machines and free weight stuff to prevent this from happening since it seems my right side is stronger and I *think* I have a tendency to use more of my right side during machined exercises. I don't know much about horses 'caus etheir size is most scary to my puny self, but I just read an artcle that talked about how great it is for pumping up your legs and butt. I wonder if you are leaning to one side when you ride, thereby overdoing one side? lilazbrat wrote: > I was curious if anyone else has the same problem that I have and that > would be that one of my legs is slightly bigger than the other. You > cant tell by looking at it but I notice sometimes in my jeans because > they are tighter on that leg and also when I sit in the saddle ( I > ride horses for a living) and look down it is noticeable to me and it > drives me CRAZY. To measure it, there is only about a half an inch > difference but to me when I look at it, it seems MUCH bigger. My legs > are the part of me that I hate to the point that when I think about > how ugly they look I want to just cry. I wont wear anything but jeans > or sweats. I have been working out now for about 8 weeks and I don't > notice any difference in them at all. They still look fat and flabby. > Thanks for letting me vent, I am getting very discouraged. > Kathrine > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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