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Oh thank you for this. I have been trying to quit for many years but still smoke

when under a lot of presure. And let me tell you with being divorced and having

a son in and out of mental hospital and having a son who is severly mentally

challenged and all his bad behavior and how much I have to watch him, and then

having Jra too I feel so uncapeable at times but then when all turns out good

for that day I feel better. I need a good excuse to stop smoking and can't seem

to at all. But maybe this will help me.

hugs; paulette

Georgina <gmckin11@...> wrote:

Impact Of Smoking And Genes On Rheumatoid Arthritis

Article Date: 05 Jan 2006

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=35748

Rheumatoid arthritis (RA) is one of the most common systemic

autoimmune diseases, and one of the least understood. Smoking is the major

known environmental risk factor for RA, though little is known about the

mechanisms involved. HLA-DR shared epitope (SE) genes are a widely

recognized genetic risk factor for RA, though little is known about how

these genes affect autoimmune reactions that lead to chronic inflammation

and progressive joint and organ damage.

To better understand the interactions between smoking and HLA-DR SE

genes in RA, a team of researchers in Sweden focused on the disease's

distinctive autoimmune hallmark: citrulline, an amino acid not normally

present in protein. While extremely rare in healthy individuals and

relatively rare in other inflammatory conditions, citrulline-modified

proteins are common in about two-thirds of RA patients and may be an

underlying factor in the development of the disease. To investigate whether

smoking and SE genes trigger immune reactions to citrullinated proteins, the

team conducted a case-control study involving patients with recent-onset RA.

The results, featured in the January 2006 issue of Arthritis & Rheumatism

(http://www.interscience.wiley.com/journal/arthritis), suggest that smokers

with SE genes are more susceptible to anticitrulline antibody-positive RA.

The study's 930 early RA patients, drawn from the Epidemiological

Investigation of Rheumatoid Arthritis Study Group, ranged in age from 18 to

70 years. 383 healthy controls, drawn from the blood bank of northern

Sweden, were matched for age, gender, and residential area. All participants

completed questionnaires about their past and present smoking habits, as

well as genotyping profiles. In addition, bronchial fluid was obtained from

a representative sample of RA patients, including both current heavy smokers

and lifelong non-smokers, and tested with immunostaining for the presence of

citrullinated protein in cells.

Based on their series of experiments and comparisons, the researchers

found that a history of smoking increases the risk for RA, but only for

individuals who test positive for anticitrulline antibodies, regardless of

the presence of SE genes. Similarly, inheriting HLA-DR SE genes in a single

copy, as well as in double copies, increases the risk for RA, but only for

individuals who test positive for anticitrulline antibodies, including

individuals who have never smoked. Yet, for individuals who test positive

for anticitrulline antibodies, the interaction of smoking and carrying 2

copies of the SE gene dramatically increases the risk for developing RA--by

21 times.

" The remarkable gene-environment interaction observed in the

case-control study, together with the immunostaining for citrullinated

proteins, might now provide a clue to the molecular mechanisms of importance

for disease development in a subset of RA patients, " notes team spokesperson

Dr. Lars Klareskog of Karolinska Institutet, Stockholm. " We may thereby be

given some new opportunities to both predict and understand the onset of RA

and to interfere with RA-inducing events before clinical symptoms are

apparent. "

Article: " A New Model for an Etiology of Rheumatoid Arthritis: Smoking

May Trigger HLA-DR (Shared Epitope)-Restricted Immune Reactions to

Autoantigens Modified by Citrullination, " Lars Klareskog, Patrik Stolt,

Karin Lundberg, Henrik Källberg, Camilla Bengtsson, Johan Grunewald, Johan

Rönnelid, Helena Erlandsson , Ann- Ulfgren, Solbritt

Rantapää-Dahlqvist, Anders Eklund, Leonid Padyukov, Lars Alfredsson, and the

Epidemiological Investigation of Rheumatoid Arthritis Study Group, Arthritis

& Rheumatism, January 2006, 54:1, pp. 53-61.

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I have to say it will make a difference when you do it. My brother was nearly

killed in a work injury in May. Thankfully he has had a miraculous recovery

except for a tibia that will not heal. It is crushed and they are going to take

him back in to surgery to pull the rod and pins out to roto rooter it and hope

it will heal this time. He does not smoke but chews tobacco. The doctor said

that his odds of healing were over 70% less with tobacco in his system. I

certainly won't be easy with all your stressors but my mom said she couldn't

just stop she had to replace it with something so she chewed a ton of gum. Best

of luck to you!

e

Ginger Sunshine <pct777@...> wrote:

Oh thank you for this. I have been trying to quit for many years but still

smoke when under a lot of presure. And let me tell you with being divorced and

having a son in and out of mental hospital and having a son who is severly

mentally challenged and all his bad behavior and how much I have to watch him,

and then having Jra too I feel so uncapeable at times but then when all turns

out good for that day I feel better. I need a good excuse to stop smoking and

can't seem to at all. But maybe this will help me.

hugs; paulette

Georgina <gmckin11@...> wrote:

Impact Of Smoking And Genes On Rheumatoid Arthritis

Article Date: 05 Jan 2006

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=35748

Rheumatoid arthritis (RA) is one of the most common systemic

autoimmune diseases, and one of the least understood. Smoking is the major

known environmental risk factor for RA, though little is known about the

mechanisms involved. HLA-DR shared epitope (SE) genes are a widely

recognized genetic risk factor for RA, though little is known about how

these genes affect autoimmune reactions that lead to chronic inflammation

and progressive joint and organ damage.

To better understand the interactions between smoking and HLA-DR SE

genes in RA, a team of researchers in Sweden focused on the disease's

distinctive autoimmune hallmark: citrulline, an amino acid not normally

present in protein. While extremely rare in healthy individuals and

relatively rare in other inflammatory conditions, citrulline-modified

proteins are common in about two-thirds of RA patients and may be an

underlying factor in the development of the disease. To investigate whether

smoking and SE genes trigger immune reactions to citrullinated proteins, the

team conducted a case-control study involving patients with recent-onset RA.

The results, featured in the January 2006 issue of Arthritis & Rheumatism

(http://www.interscience.wiley.com/journal/arthritis), suggest that smokers

with SE genes are more susceptible to anticitrulline antibody-positive RA.

The study's 930 early RA patients, drawn from the Epidemiological

Investigation of Rheumatoid Arthritis Study Group, ranged in age from 18 to

70 years. 383 healthy controls, drawn from the blood bank of northern

Sweden, were matched for age, gender, and residential area. All participants

completed questionnaires about their past and present smoking habits, as

well as genotyping profiles. In addition, bronchial fluid was obtained from

a representative sample of RA patients, including both current heavy smokers

and lifelong non-smokers, and tested with immunostaining for the presence of

citrullinated protein in cells.

Based on their series of experiments and comparisons, the researchers

found that a history of smoking increases the risk for RA, but only for

individuals who test positive for anticitrulline antibodies, regardless of

the presence of SE genes. Similarly, inheriting HLA-DR SE genes in a single

copy, as well as in double copies, increases the risk for RA, but only for

individuals who test positive for anticitrulline antibodies, including

individuals who have never smoked. Yet, for individuals who test positive

for anticitrulline antibodies, the interaction of smoking and carrying 2

copies of the SE gene dramatically increases the risk for developing RA--by

21 times.

" The remarkable gene-environment interaction observed in the

case-control study, together with the immunostaining for citrullinated

proteins, might now provide a clue to the molecular mechanisms of importance

for disease development in a subset of RA patients, " notes team spokesperson

Dr. Lars Klareskog of Karolinska Institutet, Stockholm. " We may thereby be

given some new opportunities to both predict and understand the onset of RA

and to interfere with RA-inducing events before clinical symptoms are

apparent. "

Article: " A New Model for an Etiology of Rheumatoid Arthritis: Smoking

May Trigger HLA-DR (Shared Epitope)-Restricted Immune Reactions to

Autoantigens Modified by Citrullination, " Lars Klareskog, Patrik Stolt,

Karin Lundberg, Henrik Källberg, Camilla Bengtsson, Johan Grunewald, Johan

Rönnelid, Helena Erlandsson , Ann- Ulfgren, Solbritt

Rantapää-Dahlqvist, Anders Eklund, Leonid Padyukov, Lars Alfredsson, and the

Epidemiological Investigation of Rheumatoid Arthritis Study Group, Arthritis

& Rheumatism, January 2006, 54:1, pp. 53-61.

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Thank you e,

I am going to try it.

Gosh so sorry to hear about your brother. I only wish that my relatives would

call me sometimes and just take intrest. But since my mom and dad died I am

pretty much all alone now with me and my kids. I guess that;s why I get so

stressed out.

hugs; paulette

bound for london <boundforlondon@...> wrote:

I have to say it will make a difference when you do it. My brother was nearly

killed in a work injury in May. Thankfully he has had a miraculous recovery

except for a tibia that will not heal. It is crushed and they are going to take

him back in to surgery to pull the rod and pins out to roto rooter it and hope

it will heal this time. He does not smoke but chews tobacco. The doctor said

that his odds of healing were over 70% less with tobacco in his system. I

certainly won't be easy with all your stressors but my mom said she couldn't

just stop she had to replace it with something so she chewed a ton of gum. Best

of luck to you!

e

Ginger Sunshine <pct777@...> wrote:

Oh thank you for this. I have been trying to quit for many years but still

smoke when under a lot of presure. And let me tell you with being divorced and

having a son in and out of mental hospital and having a son who is severly

mentally challenged and all his bad behavior and how much I have to watch him,

and then having Jra too I feel so uncapeable at times but then when all turns

out good for that day I feel better. I need a good excuse to stop smoking and

can't seem to at all. But maybe this will help me.

hugs; paulette

Georgina <gmckin11@...> wrote:

Impact Of Smoking And Genes On Rheumatoid Arthritis

Article Date: 05 Jan 2006

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=35748

Rheumatoid arthritis (RA) is one of the most common systemic

autoimmune diseases, and one of the least understood. Smoking is the major

known environmental risk factor for RA, though little is known about the

mechanisms involved. HLA-DR shared epitope (SE) genes are a widely

recognized genetic risk factor for RA, though little is known about how

these genes affect autoimmune reactions that lead to chronic inflammation

and progressive joint and organ damage.

To better understand the interactions between smoking and HLA-DR SE

genes in RA, a team of researchers in Sweden focused on the disease's

distinctive autoimmune hallmark: citrulline, an amino acid not normally

present in protein. While extremely rare in healthy individuals and

relatively rare in other inflammatory conditions, citrulline-modified

proteins are common in about two-thirds of RA patients and may be an

underlying factor in the development of the disease. To investigate whether

smoking and SE genes trigger immune reactions to citrullinated proteins, the

team conducted a case-control study involving patients with recent-onset RA.

The results, featured in the January 2006 issue of Arthritis & Rheumatism

(http://www.interscience.wiley.com/journal/arthritis), suggest that smokers

with SE genes are more susceptible to anticitrulline antibody-positive RA.

The study's 930 early RA patients, drawn from the Epidemiological

Investigation of Rheumatoid Arthritis Study Group, ranged in age from 18 to

70 years. 383 healthy controls, drawn from the blood bank of northern

Sweden, were matched for age, gender, and residential area. All participants

completed questionnaires about their past and present smoking habits, as

well as genotyping profiles. In addition, bronchial fluid was obtained from

a representative sample of RA patients, including both current heavy smokers

and lifelong non-smokers, and tested with immunostaining for the presence of

citrullinated protein in cells.

Based on their series of experiments and comparisons, the researchers

found that a history of smoking increases the risk for RA, but only for

individuals who test positive for anticitrulline antibodies, regardless of

the presence of SE genes. Similarly, inheriting HLA-DR SE genes in a single

copy, as well as in double copies, increases the risk for RA, but only for

individuals who test positive for anticitrulline antibodies, including

individuals who have never smoked. Yet, for individuals who test positive

for anticitrulline antibodies, the interaction of smoking and carrying 2

copies of the SE gene dramatically increases the risk for developing RA--by

21 times.

" The remarkable gene-environment interaction observed in the

case-control study, together with the immunostaining for citrullinated

proteins, might now provide a clue to the molecular mechanisms of importance

for disease development in a subset of RA patients, " notes team spokesperson

Dr. Lars Klareskog of Karolinska Institutet, Stockholm. " We may thereby be

given some new opportunities to both predict and understand the onset of RA

and to interfere with RA-inducing events before clinical symptoms are

apparent. "

Article: " A New Model for an Etiology of Rheumatoid Arthritis: Smoking

May Trigger HLA-DR (Shared Epitope)-Restricted Immune Reactions to

Autoantigens Modified by Citrullination, " Lars Klareskog, Patrik Stolt,

Karin Lundberg, Henrik Källberg, Camilla Bengtsson, Johan Grunewald, Johan

Rönnelid, Helena Erlandsson , Ann- Ulfgren, Solbritt

Rantapää-Dahlqvist, Anders Eklund, Leonid Padyukov, Lars Alfredsson, and the

Epidemiological Investigation of Rheumatoid Arthritis Study Group, Arthritis

& Rheumatism, January 2006, 54:1, pp. 53-61.

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ette,

Sounds like you have had an awful lot of stress on your plate. Just

wanted to let you know that I am rooting for you in your effort to

give up smoking.

Are you going to try and go cold turkey or a gradual decrease.

Thinking of you and praying that you will have success!

Blessings,

(aundrea 10 systemic jra)--

- In , Ginger Sunshine <pct777@y...> wrote:

>

> Thank you e,

>

> I am going to try it.

>

> Gosh so sorry to hear about your brother. I only wish that my

relatives would call me sometimes and just take intrest. But since

my mom and dad died I am pretty much all alone now with me and my

kids. I guess that;s why I get so stressed out.

>

> hugs; paulette

>

> bound for london <boundforlondon@y...> wrote:

> I have to say it will make a difference when you do it. My

brother was nearly killed in a work injury in May. Thankfully he has

had a miraculous recovery except for a tibia that will not heal. It

is crushed and they are going to take him back in to surgery to pull

the rod and pins out to roto rooter it and hope it will heal this

time. He does not smoke but chews tobacco. The doctor said that his

odds of healing were over 70% less with tobacco in his system. I

certainly won't be easy with all your stressors but my mom said she

couldn't just stop she had to replace it with something so she

chewed a ton of gum. Best of luck to you!

>

> e

>

> Ginger Sunshine <pct777@y...> wrote:

> Oh thank you for this. I have been trying to quit for many years

but still smoke when under a lot of presure. And let me tell you

with being divorced and having a son in and out of mental hospital

and having a son who is severly mentally challenged and all his bad

behavior and how much I have to watch him, and then having Jra too I

feel so uncapeable at times but then when all turns out good for

that day I feel better. I need a good excuse to stop smoking and

can't seem to at all. But maybe this will help me.

>

> hugs; paulette

>

> Georgina <gmckin11@v...> wrote:

> Impact Of Smoking And Genes On Rheumatoid Arthritis

> Article Date: 05 Jan 2006

> http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=35748

>

> Rheumatoid arthritis (RA) is one of the most common systemic

> autoimmune diseases, and one of the least understood. Smoking is

the major

> known environmental risk factor for RA, though little is known

about the

> mechanisms involved. HLA-DR shared epitope (SE) genes are a widely

> recognized genetic risk factor for RA, though little is known

about how

> these genes affect autoimmune reactions that lead to chronic

inflammation

> and progressive joint and organ damage.

>

> To better understand the interactions between smoking and

HLA-DR SE

> genes in RA, a team of researchers in Sweden focused on the

disease's

> distinctive autoimmune hallmark: citrulline, an amino acid not

normally

> present in protein. While extremely rare in healthy individuals and

> relatively rare in other inflammatory conditions, citrulline-

modified

> proteins are common in about two-thirds of RA patients and may be

an

> underlying factor in the development of the disease. To

investigate whether

> smoking and SE genes trigger immune reactions to citrullinated

proteins, the

> team conducted a case-control study involving patients with recent-

onset RA.

> The results, featured in the January 2006 issue of Arthritis &

Rheumatism

> (http://www.interscience.wiley.com/journal/arthritis), suggest

that smokers

> with SE genes are more susceptible to anticitrulline antibody-

positive RA.

>

> The study's 930 early RA patients, drawn from the

Epidemiological

> Investigation of Rheumatoid Arthritis Study Group, ranged in age

from 18 to

> 70 years. 383 healthy controls, drawn from the blood bank of

northern

> Sweden, were matched for age, gender, and residential area. All

participants

> completed questionnaires about their past and present smoking

habits, as

> well as genotyping profiles. In addition, bronchial fluid was

obtained from

> a representative sample of RA patients, including both current

heavy smokers

> and lifelong non-smokers, and tested with immunostaining for the

presence of

> citrullinated protein in cells.

>

> Based on their series of experiments and comparisons, the

researchers

> found that a history of smoking increases the risk for RA, but

only for

> individuals who test positive for anticitrulline antibodies,

regardless of

> the presence of SE genes. Similarly, inheriting HLA-DR SE genes in

a single

> copy, as well as in double copies, increases the risk for RA, but

only for

> individuals who test positive for anticitrulline antibodies,

including

> individuals who have never smoked. Yet, for individuals who test

positive

> for anticitrulline antibodies, the interaction of smoking and

carrying 2

> copies of the SE gene dramatically increases the risk for

developing RA--by

> 21 times.

>

> " The remarkable gene-environment interaction observed in the

> case-control study, together with the immunostaining for

citrullinated

> proteins, might now provide a clue to the molecular mechanisms of

importance

> for disease development in a subset of RA patients, " notes team

spokesperson

> Dr. Lars Klareskog of Karolinska Institutet, Stockholm. " We may

thereby be

> given some new opportunities to both predict and understand the

onset of RA

> and to interfere with RA-inducing events before clinical symptoms

are

> apparent. "

>

> Article: " A New Model for an Etiology of Rheumatoid

Arthritis: Smoking

> May Trigger HLA-DR (Shared Epitope)-Restricted Immune Reactions to

> Autoantigens Modified by Citrullination, " Lars Klareskog, Patrik

Stolt,

> Karin Lundberg, Henrik Källberg, Camilla Bengtsson, Johan

Grunewald, Johan

> Rönnelid, Helena Erlandsson , Ann- Ulfgren, Solbritt

> Rantapää-Dahlqvist, Anders Eklund, Leonid Padyukov, Lars

Alfredsson, and the

> Epidemiological Investigation of Rheumatoid Arthritis Study Group,

Arthritis

> & Rheumatism, January 2006, 54:1, pp. 53-61.

>

>

>

>

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ette,

Let me tell you from experiance.

If you can make it just 14 days without a smoke you will find it outright

repulsive.

Don't do the gum do the patches.They are expensive but in the long run so

much cheaper.

You realy can do it.Just try and stay away from people that do smoke in the

weaning process.

I understand the stress.I had quit for 3 yrs until got sick then

started again.

I guess I need to take my own advice and quit.

Things smell better,food tasts better and lord knows you can breathe

better.The first several days are rough while your lungs adjust.You will cough

up all

kinds of pure nasty crud but then it's gone.

I quit duiring both my pregnancys due to a realy good reason not to mention

God works in realy mysterious ways and would just get sick.

I'll try right along with you!!!

Arthurnator@...

We can and will do It.

Hugs

Becki and 7 systemic

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ette,

The very vivid dreams are true while on the patch.They can be good or bad.

My mom is trying the patch again and has decided to take the patch off before

bed due to the dreams.

Mayby the patch while awake and then first thing in the morning chew the gum

before you put a new patch on.

I swear if you can get through 2 weeks the nicotene craving is gone it's just

your hand needs something to do.

By some clay and squish it or even playdough.It's rough but you can do it.

Hugs

Becki and 7 systemic

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Oh thank you! You don't know what it means to me to know I have someone rooting

for me. I thank you for that. I pray I can do it. I thought I would go cold

turkey, but then with all this junk I have to contend with, my ex comes by just

to bost about his new girlfriend, and the accident and her kids which I told him

I don't care and don't need to hear this. He has always told me I was lucky to

have him as no one else would ever want me because of my JRA. I need crutches

and do have the deformities from this thng. But I think now i will just try the

cutting down. I will cut down to every hour and then two and then three and so

forth. If that doesn't work I guess I will just throw them in the trash when the

trash man comes and be done with it that way. I am going out tomorrow and buy

tons of gum! ha ha ha ha

Thank you again for the prayer. hugs paulette

sonia1md <sonia1md@...> wrote:

ette,

Sounds like you have had an awful lot of stress on your plate. Just

wanted to let you know that I am rooting for you in your effort to

give up smoking.

Are you going to try and go cold turkey or a gradual decrease.

Thinking of you and praying that you will have success!

Blessings,

(aundrea 10 systemic jra)--

- In , Ginger Sunshine <pct777@y...> wrote:

>

> Thank you e,

>

> I am going to try it.

>

> Gosh so sorry to hear about your brother. I only wish that my

relatives would call me sometimes and just take intrest. But since

my mom and dad died I am pretty much all alone now with me and my

kids. I guess that;s why I get so stressed out.

>

> hugs; paulette

>

> bound for london <boundforlondon@y...> wrote:

> I have to say it will make a difference when you do it. My

brother was nearly killed in a work injury in May. Thankfully he has

had a miraculous recovery except for a tibia that will not heal. It

is crushed and they are going to take him back in to surgery to pull

the rod and pins out to roto rooter it and hope it will heal this

time. He does not smoke but chews tobacco. The doctor said that his

odds of healing were over 70% less with tobacco in his system. I

certainly won't be easy with all your stressors but my mom said she

couldn't just stop she had to replace it with something so she

chewed a ton of gum. Best of luck to you!

>

> e

>

> Ginger Sunshine <pct777@y...> wrote:

> Oh thank you for this. I have been trying to quit for many years

but still smoke when under a lot of presure. And let me tell you

with being divorced and having a son in and out of mental hospital

and having a son who is severly mentally challenged and all his bad

behavior and how much I have to watch him, and then having Jra too I

feel so uncapeable at times but then when all turns out good for

that day I feel better. I need a good excuse to stop smoking and

can't seem to at all. But maybe this will help me.

>

> hugs; paulette

>

> Georgina <gmckin11@v...> wrote:

> Impact Of Smoking And Genes On Rheumatoid Arthritis

> Article Date: 05 Jan 2006

> http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=35748

>

> Rheumatoid arthritis (RA) is one of the most common systemic

> autoimmune diseases, and one of the least understood. Smoking is

the major

> known environmental risk factor for RA, though little is known

about the

> mechanisms involved. HLA-DR shared epitope (SE) genes are a widely

> recognized genetic risk factor for RA, though little is known

about how

> these genes affect autoimmune reactions that lead to chronic

inflammation

> and progressive joint and organ damage.

>

> To better understand the interactions between smoking and

HLA-DR SE

> genes in RA, a team of researchers in Sweden focused on the

disease's

> distinctive autoimmune hallmark: citrulline, an amino acid not

normally

> present in protein. While extremely rare in healthy individuals and

> relatively rare in other inflammatory conditions, citrulline-

modified

> proteins are common in about two-thirds of RA patients and may be

an

> underlying factor in the development of the disease. To

investigate whether

> smoking and SE genes trigger immune reactions to citrullinated

proteins, the

> team conducted a case-control study involving patients with recent-

onset RA.

> The results, featured in the January 2006 issue of Arthritis &

Rheumatism

> (http://www.interscience.wiley.com/journal/arthritis), suggest

that smokers

> with SE genes are more susceptible to anticitrulline antibody-

positive RA.

>

> The study's 930 early RA patients, drawn from the

Epidemiological

> Investigation of Rheumatoid Arthritis Study Group, ranged in age

from 18 to

> 70 years. 383 healthy controls, drawn from the blood bank of

northern

> Sweden, were matched for age, gender, and residential area. All

participants

> completed questionnaires about their past and present smoking

habits, as

> well as genotyping profiles. In addition, bronchial fluid was

obtained from

> a representative sample of RA patients, including both current

heavy smokers

> and lifelong non-smokers, and tested with immunostaining for the

presence of

> citrullinated protein in cells.

>

> Based on their series of experiments and comparisons, the

researchers

> found that a history of smoking increases the risk for RA, but

only for

> individuals who test positive for anticitrulline antibodies,

regardless of

> the presence of SE genes. Similarly, inheriting HLA-DR SE genes in

a single

> copy, as well as in double copies, increases the risk for RA, but

only for

> individuals who test positive for anticitrulline antibodies,

including

> individuals who have never smoked. Yet, for individuals who test

positive

> for anticitrulline antibodies, the interaction of smoking and

carrying 2

> copies of the SE gene dramatically increases the risk for

developing RA--by

> 21 times.

>

> " The remarkable gene-environment interaction observed in the

> case-control study, together with the immunostaining for

citrullinated

> proteins, might now provide a clue to the molecular mechanisms of

importance

> for disease development in a subset of RA patients, " notes team

spokesperson

> Dr. Lars Klareskog of Karolinska Institutet, Stockholm. " We may

thereby be

> given some new opportunities to both predict and understand the

onset of RA

> and to interfere with RA-inducing events before clinical symptoms

are

> apparent. "

>

> Article: " A New Model for an Etiology of Rheumatoid

Arthritis: Smoking

> May Trigger HLA-DR (Shared Epitope)-Restricted Immune Reactions to

> Autoantigens Modified by Citrullination, " Lars Klareskog, Patrik

Stolt,

> Karin Lundberg, Henrik Källberg, Camilla Bengtsson, Johan

Grunewald, Johan

> Rönnelid, Helena Erlandsson , Ann- Ulfgren, Solbritt

> Rantapää-Dahlqvist, Anders Eklund, Leonid Padyukov, Lars

Alfredsson, and the

> Epidemiological Investigation of Rheumatoid Arthritis Study Group,

Arthritis

> & Rheumatism, January 2006, 54:1, pp. 53-61.

>

>

>

>

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ette,

Don't listen to a word that you ex has to say. He is feeding you

words of garbage that you just need to toss in the trash along with

those cigs!

Think about how far you have come dispite having jra. Obviously,

you have had to be strong just to cope with the loss of your

parents.

Perhaps, God brought you to this site so that we could give you

words of encouragement and acceptance instead of listening to lies

that your ex would like you to believe.

Make 2006 the year that you commit to getting healthy in every since

of the word.

This whole list will only encourage you and when you want to reach

for a cig just reach for your keyboard instead! :-)

Do you think you should pick up some kind of nicotine patch when

your out there getting the gum???

blessings,

(Aundrea 10 systemic jra)

> > Impact Of Smoking And Genes On Rheumatoid Arthritis

> > Article Date: 05 Jan 2006

> > http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=35748

> >

> > Rheumatoid arthritis (RA) is one of the most common

systemic

> > autoimmune diseases, and one of the least understood. Smoking is

> the major

> > known environmental risk factor for RA, though little is known

> about the

> > mechanisms involved. HLA-DR shared epitope (SE) genes are a

widely

> > recognized genetic risk factor for RA, though little is known

> about how

> > these genes affect autoimmune reactions that lead to chronic

> inflammation

> > and progressive joint and organ damage.

> >

> > To better understand the interactions between smoking and

> HLA-DR SE

> > genes in RA, a team of researchers in Sweden focused on the

> disease's

> > distinctive autoimmune hallmark: citrulline, an amino acid not

> normally

> > present in protein. While extremely rare in healthy individuals

and

> > relatively rare in other inflammatory conditions, citrulline-

> modified

> > proteins are common in about two-thirds of RA patients and may

be

> an

> > underlying factor in the development of the disease. To

> investigate whether

> > smoking and SE genes trigger immune reactions to citrullinated

> proteins, the

> > team conducted a case-control study involving patients with

recent-

> onset RA.

> > The results, featured in the January 2006 issue of Arthritis &

> Rheumatism

> > (http://www.interscience.wiley.com/journal/arthritis), suggest

> that smokers

> > with SE genes are more susceptible to anticitrulline antibody-

> positive RA.

> >

> > The study's 930 early RA patients, drawn from the

> Epidemiological

> > Investigation of Rheumatoid Arthritis Study Group, ranged in age

> from 18 to

> > 70 years. 383 healthy controls, drawn from the blood bank of

> northern

> > Sweden, were matched for age, gender, and residential area. All

> participants

> > completed questionnaires about their past and present smoking

> habits, as

> > well as genotyping profiles. In addition, bronchial fluid was

> obtained from

> > a representative sample of RA patients, including both current

> heavy smokers

> > and lifelong non-smokers, and tested with immunostaining for the

> presence of

> > citrullinated protein in cells.

> >

> > Based on their series of experiments and comparisons, the

> researchers

> > found that a history of smoking increases the risk for RA, but

> only for

> > individuals who test positive for anticitrulline antibodies,

> regardless of

> > the presence of SE genes. Similarly, inheriting HLA-DR SE genes

in

> a single

> > copy, as well as in double copies, increases the risk for RA,

but

> only for

> > individuals who test positive for anticitrulline antibodies,

> including

> > individuals who have never smoked. Yet, for individuals who test

> positive

> > for anticitrulline antibodies, the interaction of smoking and

> carrying 2

> > copies of the SE gene dramatically increases the risk for

> developing RA--by

> > 21 times.

> >

> > " The remarkable gene-environment interaction observed in

the

> > case-control study, together with the immunostaining for

> citrullinated

> > proteins, might now provide a clue to the molecular mechanisms

of

> importance

> > for disease development in a subset of RA patients, " notes team

> spokesperson

> > Dr. Lars Klareskog of Karolinska Institutet, Stockholm. " We may

> thereby be

> > given some new opportunities to both predict and understand the

> onset of RA

> > and to interfere with RA-inducing events before clinical

symptoms

> are

> > apparent. "

> >

> > Article: " A New Model for an Etiology of Rheumatoid

> Arthritis: Smoking

> > May Trigger HLA-DR (Shared Epitope)-Restricted Immune Reactions

to

> > Autoantigens Modified by Citrullination, " Lars Klareskog, Patrik

> Stolt,

> > Karin Lundberg, Henrik Källberg, Camilla Bengtsson, Johan

> Grunewald, Johan

> > Rönnelid, Helena Erlandsson , Ann- Ulfgren, Solbritt

> > Rantapää-Dahlqvist, Anders Eklund, Leonid Padyukov, Lars

> Alfredsson, and the

> > Epidemiological Investigation of Rheumatoid Arthritis Study

Group,

> Arthritis

> > & Rheumatism, January 2006, 54:1, pp. 53-61.

> >

> >

> >

> >

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you are such a Blessing. Thank you. I guess I do listen as I always have

had bad feelings for myself.

I did talk to my son tonight and he is feeling less and less depressed as I am

always glad i can hand him good words of wisdome. I am trying so hard this year

to have nothing but positive thoughts about everything.

I was going to pick up a patch for the help of quiting but I have heard so

much bad things about using them. Like vivid and bad dreams and things. I

thought I would just try the gum first and if that didn't help, then maybe i

would take the chance.

I was reading the artical on Methotrexate (sp) and it shrinks tumors in the

utris it said and that is what I have. I called my Oncologist and he made an

appoitment for me and yet after talking to my OB who said no it isn't for

calisfied fibroids I am all down now. But I am going to be positive about

something will be out there to help me. I want to just plain have them out but

both my heart doctor and my lung doctor said no way. I am a big big risk. I

would hate to think of what would happen if I needed surgery. So here I stay on

tons of pills and my two tumors.

Thank you so much for being here.

hugs; paulette

sonia1md <sonia1md@...> wrote:

ette,

Don't listen to a word that you ex has to say. He is feeding you

words of garbage that you just need to toss in the trash along with

those cigs!

Think about how far you have come dispite having jra. Obviously,

you have had to be strong just to cope with the loss of your

parents.

Perhaps, God brought you to this site so that we could give you

words of encouragement and acceptance instead of listening to lies

that your ex would like you to believe.

Make 2006 the year that you commit to getting healthy in every since

of the word.

This whole list will only encourage you and when you want to reach

for a cig just reach for your keyboard instead! :-)

Do you think you should pick up some kind of nicotine patch when

your out there getting the gum???

blessings,

(Aundrea 10 systemic jra)

> > Impact Of Smoking And Genes On Rheumatoid Arthritis

> > Article Date: 05 Jan 2006

> > http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=35748

> >

> > Rheumatoid arthritis (RA) is one of the most common

systemic

> > autoimmune diseases, and one of the least understood. Smoking is

> the major

> > known environmental risk factor for RA, though little is known

> about the

> > mechanisms involved. HLA-DR shared epitope (SE) genes are a

widely

> > recognized genetic risk factor for RA, though little is known

> about how

> > these genes affect autoimmune reactions that lead to chronic

> inflammation

> > and progressive joint and organ damage.

> >

> > To better understand the interactions between smoking and

> HLA-DR SE

> > genes in RA, a team of researchers in Sweden focused on the

> disease's

> > distinctive autoimmune hallmark: citrulline, an amino acid not

> normally

> > present in protein. While extremely rare in healthy individuals

and

> > relatively rare in other inflammatory conditions, citrulline-

> modified

> > proteins are common in about two-thirds of RA patients and may

be

> an

> > underlying factor in the development of the disease. To

> investigate whether

> > smoking and SE genes trigger immune reactions to citrullinated

> proteins, the

> > team conducted a case-control study involving patients with

recent-

> onset RA.

> > The results, featured in the January 2006 issue of Arthritis &

> Rheumatism

> > (http://www.interscience.wiley.com/journal/arthritis), suggest

> that smokers

> > with SE genes are more susceptible to anticitrulline antibody-

> positive RA.

> >

> > The study's 930 early RA patients, drawn from the

> Epidemiological

> > Investigation of Rheumatoid Arthritis Study Group, ranged in age

> from 18 to

> > 70 years. 383 healthy controls, drawn from the blood bank of

> northern

> > Sweden, were matched for age, gender, and residential area. All

> participants

> > completed questionnaires about their past and present smoking

> habits, as

> > well as genotyping profiles. In addition, bronchial fluid was

> obtained from

> > a representative sample of RA patients, including both current

> heavy smokers

> > and lifelong non-smokers, and tested with immunostaining for the

> presence of

> > citrullinated protein in cells.

> >

> > Based on their series of experiments and comparisons, the

> researchers

> > found that a history of smoking increases the risk for RA, but

> only for

> > individuals who test positive for anticitrulline antibodies,

> regardless of

> > the presence of SE genes. Similarly, inheriting HLA-DR SE genes

in

> a single

> > copy, as well as in double copies, increases the risk for RA,

but

> only for

> > individuals who test positive for anticitrulline antibodies,

> including

> > individuals who have never smoked. Yet, for individuals who test

> positive

> > for anticitrulline antibodies, the interaction of smoking and

> carrying 2

> > copies of the SE gene dramatically increases the risk for

> developing RA--by

> > 21 times.

> >

> > " The remarkable gene-environment interaction observed in

the

> > case-control study, together with the immunostaining for

> citrullinated

> > proteins, might now provide a clue to the molecular mechanisms

of

> importance

> > for disease development in a subset of RA patients, " notes team

> spokesperson

> > Dr. Lars Klareskog of Karolinska Institutet, Stockholm. " We may

> thereby be

> > given some new opportunities to both predict and understand the

> onset of RA

> > and to interfere with RA-inducing events before clinical

symptoms

> are

> > apparent. "

> >

> > Article: " A New Model for an Etiology of Rheumatoid

> Arthritis: Smoking

> > May Trigger HLA-DR (Shared Epitope)-Restricted Immune Reactions

to

> > Autoantigens Modified by Citrullination, " Lars Klareskog, Patrik

> Stolt,

> > Karin Lundberg, Henrik Källberg, Camilla Bengtsson, Johan

> Grunewald, Johan

> > Rönnelid, Helena Erlandsson , Ann- Ulfgren, Solbritt

> > Rantapää-Dahlqvist, Anders Eklund, Leonid Padyukov, Lars

> Alfredsson, and the

> > Epidemiological Investigation of Rheumatoid Arthritis Study

Group,

> Arthritis

> > & Rheumatism, January 2006, 54:1, pp. 53-61.

> >

> >

> >

> >

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ette, wow, you do have a lot to contend with but I must chime in on one

thing you mentioned, " He has always told me I was lucky to have him as no one

else would ever want me because of my JRA. I need crutches and do have the

deformities from this thng. " Well hun if that what he thinks you are much to

good for man like that anyway. Let him have his new girlfriend there are better

things around the corner! I relate because many years ago I was in a similar

situation and ironically was told the very same thing. My ex would hold my

(deformed) hands in front of my face and say things like, " Look & *^%$ who

else will have you look at you, your a monster, you should feel lucky to have

me. " Well his loss, I left him and have moved on and given myself and my kids a

much better home. I dated several times and even got married in 2004. We are

so much better than that! Never again will another person have the chance to

even think about talking to me like that. If this disease does nothing else

it makes you strong, compassionate, courageous, brave, tolerant and patient

and oh yeah..vocal. Hang tight and hang tough my friend! Also I quit smoking in

a day! I through my cigarettes out in the road, seen the pack get run over

and have never smoked again!

Smiles!

Donna

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>ette,

If you don't mind me adding my 2 cents in I quit smoking before I

got pregnant cold turkey. It was so hard. I started smoking again

after my kids were born. My dr. prescribed me Wellbutrin to help me

quit. The 1st 2 weeks the smell of smoke would make we gag. The

hardest part was learing to do something else with my hands besides

hold a cigarette. I can't believe how much easier it was to quit.

If you have a prescription plan maybe you could check that out.

Good luck!!!

and (9 poly)

> ette,

> The very vivid dreams are true while on the patch.They can be good

or bad.

> My mom is trying the patch again and has decided to take the patch

off before

> bed due to the dreams.

> Mayby the patch while awake and then first thing in the morning

chew the gum

> before you put a new patch on.

> I swear if you can get through 2 weeks the nicotene craving is

gone it's just

> your hand needs something to do.

> By some clay and squish it or even playdough.It's rough but you

can do it.

> Hugs

> Becki and 7 systemic

>

>

>

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That's right, you and those kids should be your world! best of luck and you

will always have friends here.

Donna

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Another thing to keep your hands buisy is popping bubble wrap.

Who can't resist poping that stuff when it comes in packaging and I know you

can buy it.

I don't recall being tired.Just cranky a bit for the first 2 weeks,after that

it was a breeze until the stress of all stress hit.A chronicly ill child.

Good luck

Becki and 7 systemic

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Donna you are awesome!

(drea 10 systemic jra)---

In , ajaoky@a... wrote:

>

> ette, wow, you do have a lot to contend with but I must chime

in on one

> thing you mentioned, " He has always told me I was lucky to have

him as no one

> else would ever want me because of my JRA. I need crutches and do

have the

> deformities from this thng. " Well hun if that what he thinks you

are much to

> good for man like that anyway. Let him have his new girlfriend

there are better

> things around the corner! I relate because many years ago I was

in a similar

> situation and ironically was told the very same thing. My ex

would hold my

> (deformed) hands in front of my face and say things like, " Look

& *^%$ who

> else will have you look at you, your a monster, you should feel

lucky to have

> me. " Well his loss, I left him and have moved on and given myself

and my kids a

> much better home. I dated several times and even got married in

2004. We are

> so much better than that! Never again will another person have

the chance to

> even think about talking to me like that. If this disease does

nothing else

> it makes you strong, compassionate, courageous, brave, tolerant

and patient

> and oh yeah..vocal. Hang tight and hang tough my friend! Also I

quit smoking in

> a day! I through my cigarettes out in the road, seen the pack get

run over

> and have never smoked again!

> Smiles!

> Donna

>

>

>

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I'd like to add that Arthur gives us a unique perspective/ opportunity

while dating. While others are going out with the Asshole, bitch

(pardon my language), high maintenance sorority girl/ Frat guy... And

failing miserably. Arthur has given us a way to QUICKLY weed out those

awful types of people that aren't worth your time.

If they don't want to be part of your life because of deformities,

doctors visits, a little extra time getting out of the car... Then you

DON'T want them either. It is that simple.

He or she is out there... I promise.

Fischer

DPA Architects, Inc.

pfischer@...

Re: OT: Impact Of Smoking And Genes On Rheumatoid

Arthritis

ette, wow, you do have a lot to contend with but I must chime in on

one thing you mentioned, " He has always told me I was lucky to have him

as no one else would ever want me because of my JRA. I need crutches and

do have the deformities from this thng. " Well hun if that what he thinks

you are much to good for man like that anyway. Let him have his new

girlfriend there are better things around the corner! I relate because

many years ago I was in a similar situation and ironically was told the

very same thing. My ex would hold my

(deformed) hands in front of my face and say things like, " Look & *^%$

who else will have you look at you, your a monster, you should feel

lucky to have me. " Well his loss, I left him and have moved on and given

myself and my kids a much better home. I dated several times and even

got married in 2004. We are so much better than that! Never again will

another person have the chance to even think about talking to me like

that. If this disease does nothing else it makes you strong,

compassionate, courageous, brave, tolerant and patient and oh

yeah..vocal. Hang tight and hang tough my friend! Also I quit smoking in

a day! I through my cigarettes out in the road, seen the pack get run

over and have never smoked again!

Smiles!

Donna

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Yes I guess your right! My mom used to say to me when I first went out with this

man, why does he want you? You are so sick and he is a healthy normal cute man

what does he want you for? I guess she was right! She always said stick to your

own kind. Well we have no other JRA's around here but me! ha ha ha ha

Thank you, I will keep this all in mind when he keeps coming by while working

with his truck.

hugs and many thanks to you. paulette

Fischer <pfischer@...> wrote:

I'd like to add that Arthur gives us a unique perspective/ opportunity

while dating. While others are going out with the Asshole, bitch

(pardon my language), high maintenance sorority girl/ Frat guy... And

failing miserably. Arthur has given us a way to QUICKLY weed out those

awful types of people that aren't worth your time.

If they don't want to be part of your life because of deformities,

doctors visits, a little extra time getting out of the car... Then you

DON'T want them either. It is that simple.

He or she is out there... I promise.

Fischer

DPA Architects, Inc.

pfischer@...

Re: OT: Impact Of Smoking And Genes On Rheumatoid

Arthritis

ette, wow, you do have a lot to contend with but I must chime in on

one thing you mentioned, " He has always told me I was lucky to have him

as no one else would ever want me because of my JRA. I need crutches and

do have the deformities from this thng. " Well hun if that what he thinks

you are much to good for man like that anyway. Let him have his new

girlfriend there are better things around the corner! I relate because

many years ago I was in a similar situation and ironically was told the

very same thing. My ex would hold my

(deformed) hands in front of my face and say things like, " Look & *^%$

who else will have you look at you, your a monster, you should feel

lucky to have me. " Well his loss, I left him and have moved on and given

myself and my kids a much better home. I dated several times and even

got married in 2004. We are so much better than that! Never again will

another person have the chance to even think about talking to me like

that. If this disease does nothing else it makes you strong,

compassionate, courageous, brave, tolerant and patient and oh

yeah..vocal. Hang tight and hang tough my friend! Also I quit smoking in

a day! I through my cigarettes out in the road, seen the pack get run

over and have never smoked again!

Smiles!

Donna

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Donna he would also say, " are you just stupid or stupid? " this was his favorate

thing to say when he would try and tell me something about something and used a

very low tone one I could not hear and then asked what did you say I couldn't

hear you.

Sometimes he would say things like you have a big butt or hey scumbag. I mean

if this is his feelings why drop by?

I thank you Donna for sharing with me and a lot of what your ex said is the

same as mine. I never felt so ugly in my life. But, i am back on my feet again

and my first and most important thing in life is to take good care of my kids.

hugs; paulette

ajaoky@... wrote:

ette, wow, you do have a lot to contend with but I must chime in on one

thing you mentioned, " He has always told me I was lucky to have him as no one

else would ever want me because of my JRA. I need crutches and do have the

deformities from this thng. " Well hun if that what he thinks you are much to

good for man like that anyway. Let him have his new girlfriend there are better

things around the corner! I relate because many years ago I was in a similar

situation and ironically was told the very same thing. My ex would hold my

(deformed) hands in front of my face and say things like, " Look & *^%$ who

else will have you look at you, your a monster, you should feel lucky to have

me. " Well his loss, I left him and have moved on and given myself and my kids a

much better home. I dated several times and even got married in 2004. We are

so much better than that! Never again will another person have the chance to

even think about talking to me like that. If this disease does nothing else

it makes you strong, compassionate, courageous, brave, tolerant and patient

and oh yeah..vocal. Hang tight and hang tough my friend! Also I quit smoking in

a day! I through my cigarettes out in the road, seen the pack get run over

and have never smoked again!

Smiles!

Donna

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Oh man I sure hope so as right now I am craving one.

hugs; paulette

ajaoky@... wrote:

ette, best of luck! You can do it!

Donna

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Hi ,

Oh I know it will be hard as I have tried to stop many times. Then my ex would

say something or my boy would call and say he is back in the hospital and these

things would make me run to have one again and again.

I thought wellburrin was for something else? Did it work? Was it easier?

Thank you for the advice! I may just ask my doctor. Which doctor did you get

it from? I have a lung doctor and more maybe I should ask one of them.

hugs; paulette

shelbert416 <michellecoomes@...> wrote:

>ette,

If you don't mind me adding my 2 cents in I quit smoking before I

got pregnant cold turkey. It was so hard. I started smoking again

after my kids were born. My dr. prescribed me Wellbutrin to help me

quit. The 1st 2 weeks the smell of smoke would make we gag. The

hardest part was learing to do something else with my hands besides

hold a cigarette. I can't believe how much easier it was to quit.

If you have a prescription plan maybe you could check that out.

Good luck!!!

and (9 poly)

> ette,

> The very vivid dreams are true while on the patch.They can be good

or bad.

> My mom is trying the patch again and has decided to take the patch

off before

> bed due to the dreams.

> Mayby the patch while awake and then first thing in the morning

chew the gum

> before you put a new patch on.

> I swear if you can get through 2 weeks the nicotene craving is

gone it's just

> your hand needs something to do.

> By some clay and squish it or even playdough.It's rough but you

can do it.

> Hugs

> Becki and 7 systemic

>

>

>

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There are people out there who will love you despite the fact that you have a

chronic disease. Honestly that really shocked me! I didn't even want to be

around me most of the time, I'm pretty boring when I'm sick, yet somehow at 18

(which i considered pretty young to fall in love) I met a guy who despite

everything still loved me and wanted to hang out with me. We've been together

for two and half years. He use to hang out with me on methotrexate nights (not

to mention he never drank alcohol during the time I was on mtx because I wasn't

allowed to and he never wanted me to feel different when we were at parties)

even though I felt like crap and most of the time fell asleep during whatever

movie we were watching, despite his fear of needles he learned how to give me my

enbrel shots, he has always been there to offer a massage when I was in pain,

and in the two and half years that i have been sick he has stayed by my side

through hospitilizations, one surgery, and a lot of uncertainty,

I feel very lucky and I know now that I have this because I deserve this as

does every person. Maybe me and my boyfriend wont be together forever or maybe

we will, but I realize now how lucky I am to have such a caring and

understanding boyfriend. I can't believe your mom would say that to you, or that

either of your boyfriends would ever say such hurtful things, I know being 21 my

life experience doesn't rank up there that much especially in the love

department but I do know that we all deserve people who love and understand us,

and it breaks my heart that anyone would ever act that way towards you. We are

so much better then that! Donna I am so glad that you found the amazing husband

that you have, and ette I'm glad you dumped that ass (pardon my language I'm

not much for swearing but it definitely was the only word that fit)!

Ginger Sunshine <pct777@...> wrote: Yes I guess your right! My mom used

to say to me when I first went out with this man, why does he want you? You are

so sick and he is a healthy normal cute man what does he want you for? I guess

she was right! She always said stick to your own kind. Well we have no other

JRA's around here but me! ha ha ha ha

Thank you, I will keep this all in mind when he keeps coming by while working

with his truck.

hugs and many thanks to you. paulette

Fischer <pfischer@...> wrote:

I'd like to add that Arthur gives us a unique perspective/ opportunity

while dating. While others are going out with the Asshole, bitch

(pardon my language), high maintenance sorority girl/ Frat guy... And

failing miserably. Arthur has given us a way to QUICKLY weed out those

awful types of people that aren't worth your time.

If they don't want to be part of your life because of deformities,

doctors visits, a little extra time getting out of the car... Then you

DON'T want them either. It is that simple.

He or she is out there... I promise.

Fischer

DPA Architects, Inc.

pfischer@...

Re: OT: Impact Of Smoking And Genes On Rheumatoid

Arthritis

ette, wow, you do have a lot to contend with but I must chime in on

one thing you mentioned, " He has always told me I was lucky to have him

as no one else would ever want me because of my JRA. I need crutches and

do have the deformities from this thng. " Well hun if that what he thinks

you are much to good for man like that anyway. Let him have his new

girlfriend there are better things around the corner! I relate because

many years ago I was in a similar situation and ironically was told the

very same thing. My ex would hold my

(deformed) hands in front of my face and say things like, " Look & *^%$

who else will have you look at you, your a monster, you should feel

lucky to have me. " Well his loss, I left him and have moved on and given

myself and my kids a much better home. I dated several times and even

got married in 2004. We are so much better than that! Never again will

another person have the chance to even think about talking to me like

that. If this disease does nothing else it makes you strong,

compassionate, courageous, brave, tolerant and patient and oh

yeah..vocal. Hang tight and hang tough my friend! Also I quit smoking in

a day! I through my cigarettes out in the road, seen the pack get run

over and have never smoked again!

Smiles!

Donna

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Oh yes I know all too well about the dreams. Good grief, I thought hey maybe

it's better to just smoke. ha ha ha

I don't blame your mom for trying again. I think I tried about three times and

just gave up the patch. I even tried during the day with the patch instead of

night but I would go through depression and alot more things seemed to bother

me. Did you get very very tired when you stopped? I seem to be able to fall

asleep on a dime and can do this anytime in the afternoon. If I quit I will not

drive for a while until I know how I feel during the afternoon.

Hey now the play dough is a good thing. I have that as i have kids. ha ha ha

Maybe I will give that a try. I know my daughter always loves it when we both

make things with it. Maybe she will even lend me some to keep with me just to

squish.

Thank you Becki for the wonderful help here. paulette

Arthurnator@... wrote:

ette,

The very vivid dreams are true while on the patch.They can be good or bad.

My mom is trying the patch again and has decided to take the patch off before

bed due to the dreams.

Mayby the patch while awake and then first thing in the morning chew the gum

before you put a new patch on.

I swear if you can get through 2 weeks the nicotene craving is gone it's just

your hand needs something to do.

By some clay and squish it or even playdough.It's rough but you can do it.

Hugs

Becki and 7 systemic

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Oh wow just 14 days. Well ha ha ha that may not seem like too long but for

someone who smokes it's a liftime. ha ha. But you know I will count the days.

Well speaking of repulsive, I can't stand the smell of someones smoke but mine

doesn't bother me, and then to smell it on my hand bothers me and I have to wash

and wash. Yet i crave it in me. Man who ever invented these things sure got alot

of people hooked.

Oh wow ok you and I both. Oh man just talking about it makes me want one. I am

going to go get some gum.

Hugs' paulette

Arthurnator@... wrote:

ette,

Let me tell you from experiance.

If you can make it just 14 days without a smoke you will find it outright

repulsive.

Don't do the gum do the patches.They are expensive but in the long run so

much cheaper.

You realy can do it.Just try and stay away from people that do smoke in the

weaning process.

I understand the stress.I had quit for 3 yrs until got sick then

started again.

I guess I need to take my own advice and quit.

Things smell better,food tasts better and lord knows you can breathe

better.The first several days are rough while your lungs adjust.You will cough

up all

kinds of pure nasty crud but then it's gone.

I quit duiring both my pregnancys due to a realy good reason not to mention

God works in realy mysterious ways and would just get sick.

I'll try right along with you!!!

Arthurnator@...

We can and will do It.

Hugs

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ette,

Wellbutrin is an anti depressant. From what my Dr. explained it makes the

same chemical reaction in your brain as smoking would. It also helps lose

weight because of that same reaction.

I would guess any of your doctors could prescribe it to you as long as it

doesn't react with any other meds you take. I got it from my Gyno.

It was far easier to quit on the meds for me. When I quit cold turkey I was

sick, nervous and well quite frankly a maniac for several weeks. It always

amazed me that my ex stuck with me through that but bailed when we had the twins

but that's a whole other story :-).

Whatever way you do it, you will find the strength you need. It sounds like

your plate is full right now but you'll feel so much better.

As for men - what is it they say about us? Can't live with them, can't shoot

them. Seems fitting for them , too. lol. Seriously, I love men and there are

some great ones out there who wouldn't dream of talking to a woman like that.

You deserve far better.

Women are such strong creatures but we never do give ourselves the credit we

deserve.

Stay strong.

Ginger Sunshine <pct777@...> wrote:

Hi ,

Oh I know it will be hard as I have tried to stop many times. Then my ex would

say something or my boy would call and say he is back in the hospital and these

things would make me run to have one again and again.

I thought wellburrin was for something else? Did it work? Was it easier?

Thank you for the advice! I may just ask my doctor. Which doctor did you get

it from? I have a lung doctor and more maybe I should ask one of them.

hugs; paulette

shelbert416 <michellecoomes@...> wrote:

>ette,

If you don't mind me adding my 2 cents in I quit smoking before I

got pregnant cold turkey. It was so hard. I started smoking again

after my kids were born. My dr. prescribed me Wellbutrin to help me

quit. The 1st 2 weeks the smell of smoke would make we gag. The

hardest part was learing to do something else with my hands besides

hold a cigarette. I can't believe how much easier it was to quit.

If you have a prescription plan maybe you could check that out.

Good luck!!!

and (9 poly)

> ette,

> The very vivid dreams are true while on the patch.They can be good

or bad.

> My mom is trying the patch again and has decided to take the patch

off before

> bed due to the dreams.

> Mayby the patch while awake and then first thing in the morning

chew the gum

> before you put a new patch on.

> I swear if you can get through 2 weeks the nicotene craving is

gone it's just

> your hand needs something to do.

> By some clay and squish it or even playdough.It's rough but you

can do it.

> Hugs

> Becki and 7 systemic

>

>

>

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Oh wow now I could sure use something like that. Not just to stop smoking as I

have had a few still today, but to lose a few pounds. I will have to ask at my

next appoitment.

Oh yes I too am that way. My ex stayed wirh me during those hig fever's and

all that but when I had breast cancer and had to have kemo, he left out of here

the day before. I think he just couldn't cope with all the stress and he never

has or will smoke.

I have not been on a date since the divorce. It sure made me feel he may be

right about no one will want me looking the way I do, but you know what? I feel

like now I know myself so much better. I did every thing for him. My hair my

clothes and just everything and lost who i was and what i liked but now I know

myself again and it's fun.

I still do have times of lonleyness for someone to care about me, but hey,

that too shall pass.

Hugs; paulette

Coomes <michellecoomes@...> wrote:

ette,

Wellbutrin is an anti depressant. From what my Dr. explained it makes the

same chemical reaction in your brain as smoking would. It also helps lose

weight because of that same reaction.

I would guess any of your doctors could prescribe it to you as long as it

doesn't react with any other meds you take. I got it from my Gyno.

It was far easier to quit on the meds for me. When I quit cold turkey I was

sick, nervous and well quite frankly a maniac for several weeks. It always

amazed me that my ex stuck with me through that but bailed when we had the twins

but that's a whole other story :-).

Whatever way you do it, you will find the strength you need. It sounds like

your plate is full right now but you'll feel so much better.

As for men - what is it they say about us? Can't live with them, can't shoot

them. Seems fitting for them , too. lol. Seriously, I love men and there are

some great ones out there who wouldn't dream of talking to a woman like that.

You deserve far better.

Women are such strong creatures but we never do give ourselves the credit we

deserve.

Stay strong.

Ginger Sunshine <pct777@...> wrote:

Hi ,

Oh I know it will be hard as I have tried to stop many times. Then my ex would

say something or my boy would call and say he is back in the hospital and these

things would make me run to have one again and again.

I thought wellburrin was for something else? Did it work? Was it easier?

Thank you for the advice! I may just ask my doctor. Which doctor did you get

it from? I have a lung doctor and more maybe I should ask one of them.

hugs; paulette

shelbert416 <michellecoomes@...> wrote:

>ette,

If you don't mind me adding my 2 cents in I quit smoking before I

got pregnant cold turkey. It was so hard. I started smoking again

after my kids were born. My dr. prescribed me Wellbutrin to help me

quit. The 1st 2 weeks the smell of smoke would make we gag. The

hardest part was learing to do something else with my hands besides

hold a cigarette. I can't believe how much easier it was to quit.

If you have a prescription plan maybe you could check that out.

Good luck!!!

and (9 poly)

> ette,

> The very vivid dreams are true while on the patch.They can be good

or bad.

> My mom is trying the patch again and has decided to take the patch

off before

> bed due to the dreams.

> Mayby the patch while awake and then first thing in the morning

chew the gum

> before you put a new patch on.

> I swear if you can get through 2 weeks the nicotene craving is

gone it's just

> your hand needs something to do.

> By some clay and squish it or even playdough.It's rough but you

can do it.

> Hugs

> Becki and 7 systemic

>

>

>

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