dental implants

[Guest guest]

Uhh, dear; what bricks do you recommend? Tell me, tell me. With one breath you

say they are bound to win and with the other you tell me to fight. Not so

helpful. Reakky- which bricks.

(Meanwhile I can do what I can to strengthen " the terrain. "

Sorry you are so disappointed in us. Are you well already or are you wishing we

would find a way to help you get well?

Adrienne

Re: Dental Implants

This is why the cfs community goes nowhere. Because we keep looking

at our immune system and NEVER look at the bugs and how freakin'

impossible it is to kill them.

Almost nobody gets it. Even with all the polls and all the news and

all the studies, we ignore it all. These bugs are nearly

indestructible and unless we start fighting them intelligently and

aggressively, they'll just keep getting stronger and stronger until

there's nobody left to fight them, or we get lucky and evolve a

stronger immune system. Nice for the next generation. Unfortunately,

bacteria still evolve a LOT faster than people do.

Everyday on the news there are reports of increasingly resistant

organisms that don't respond to treatment. I saw two such reports

today, and yet everybody on this list thinks their immune system is

at fault. Does nobody think it's important to learn about the real

enemy, the organims? Does nobody realize that organisms kill people?

I don't care how strong the immune system is, bacteria and fungi will

be here long after other life forms have been wiped out.

It just kills me that everyone spends all their time focusing on the

their immune systems while learning nothing whatsoever about

resistant bacteria, which is spreading rapidly, and growing more

deadly by the minute. If pwc really understood these big bad bugs,

they'd stop wasting their time on straw houses and start using bricks

as quickly as possible.

penny

> > > If you've truly " conquered " your OM then you're one lucky guy

> > because

> > > > that's hard to do. And yet you say you still have " classic "

CFS

> > and

> > > > find yourself in need of dental implants. I wonder why that

is?

> > My

> > > > guess is you haven't conquered ALL your bugs yet, but I hope

you

> > do.

> > > >

> > > > penny

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ***Yes, I've conquered my OM and was able to put in a titanium

> > dental

> > > implant after the inflammation went down and complete healing

from

> > > surgery had occurred, which not unexpectedly took a long

while. The

> > > primary infections cultured out for me with this were strep, e

coli

> > > and staph a. and the RenewPro I credit for preventing any overt

> > return

> > > of symptoms and with ongoing suppression of these infections.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ***As you hopefully know chronic osteomyelitis in ALL adults

cases

> > has

> > > a lot to do with weakened or suppressed immunity in some way,

not

> > just

> > > the presence of infections, so in this fact resides the key to

the

> > > weak link in your treatment strategy and tactics, no matter how

much

> > > or what you've tried to date.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ***An interesting thing Dr Garry Gordon points out in his

writings

> > is

> > > strep in particular has been shown to take advantage of

conditions

> > > like CFS where glutamate excitotoxicity is present. Also,

connected

> > > to my left side jaw infections I believe there are nerve tracks

to

> > the

> > > corresponding motor cortex of the right side brain where

chemical

> > > toxins can readily get stuck in many PWCs and give infections

> > refuge,

> > > particular strep in woman with aluminum retention.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ***I see nothing in your comments suggesting that you did

anything

> > to

> > > address these specific mechanisms. Also, Payne of

Living

> > Well

> > > Today is a good resource you might want to schedule a phone

> > > consutlation with for how to use some of the new RNA products

> > showing

> > > great promise for dealing with many of these and other problems

that

> > > arise as result in PWCs, brains and all.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > http://www.startlivingwelltoday.com/index.php?

> > option=com_contact & task=view & contact_id=3 & Itemid=71

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ***

> > >

> >

>

This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

[Guest guest]

M.C. - I am only just coming into this dialogue late, so if my response is

off base, please forgive.

There are 'fake' teeth called Nesbits(I think they might also go by a

different brand name ). They are pliable (vinyl?) fake teeth , with soft,

vinyl 'hooks' on each side (to attach to the real teeth on each side of the

space), that you can put in the space where your own tooth used to be. I

don't imagine these would work well for teeth that are used for heavy

chewing (like molars) - but I believe 10 and 11 are located in the

front,right? - so Nesbits might work in yoiur case.

I have seen these Nesbits in a person's mouth, and yoiu honestly cannot tell

it is a fake tooth. The top of the Nesbit is colored the same as the gum

tissue, so even when you smile, you can't tell it's fake.

However, I would think one would need to take it out when sleeping so the

'hooks' (and these are pliable, vinyl things, that go around the base of the

teeth on each side of the space), don't become dislodged and then you

swallow the Nesbit.

I don't know if Nesbits can be made for a space previously occuped for two

teeth, as opposed to just one tooth (but I don't see why not).

If you could get one of these made, then that would avoid the entire issue

of having something potentially toxic 'implanted' in yoiur body (I was

looking into Nesbits for myself, as an alternative to implants)

I don't know which dentists would do these. Pehaps you could call a lab that

makes these and ask for a list of dentists near you. Les PS: the person I

saw who has one of these says there is no irritation, etc from it.

Re: Re: Dental Implants

> , you are certainly patient and helpful....thanks for all the

> information thus far.

>

> The only remaining issue of real importance/concern to me which was not

> answered below is the following from my previous e-mail to you:

>

> Now, the teeth involved are numbers 10 and 11 - yes, right in the upper

> front.....so, my follow-up question is whether or not I'm correct to

> assume that the only alternative to implants would be a partial denture -

> if the partial is the only other way to go, I'd really appreciate all

> detailed information you'd be willing to provide....I'm am totally green

> about this - don't even u/stand how it works.....the only thing I've been

> told by the dentist is that he " hates " them because some part(?) of it

> rubs/irritates the back side of the gum tissue.....(yet it seems to me

> that in the distant past someone I knew in another state had a lower

> partial that I don't recall his complaining about ! ! !)....then I wonder

> if there is more than one type of material available and if so, what do

> you suggest, why?.....also, if it appears a partial is the way to go for

> teeth 10 and 11, what happens if for some reason the partial breaks,

> etc.....that is, would this mean starting from scratch

> and getting a new one.....then - now that I u/stand about the weakened

> state of my other teeth - if some of the others also break, can a person's

> mouth accommodate more than one partial???? by now, you can no doubt see

> how much I DON'T know.....the bottom line is that I'm trying to give this

> issue my best shot in terms of my long term dental health in general and

> am especially concerned since I've been diagnosed with FM, MCS, OI and

> CFS....of course, if there are other alternatives I don't know about, I'd

> very much appreciate your feedback about them as well....

>

> Hope you have a good day and that someone does something as meaningful for

> you as you have for me.....M.C.

>

>

>

>

> erikmoldwarrior <erikmoldwarrior@...> wrote:

> " healing6002 " <healing6002@...> wrote:

> >

> > , I am new to this group so may have sent my reply of 01/22nd

> to your e-mail address erroneously - that is - perhaps I should have

> > posted it on the message board as I am attempting to do below: (by

> > the way, I must admit that while grateful, I am confused re other

> > dental implant postings because they are addressed to people other

> > than myself and refer to infections, etc. - infections/decay are

> not issues with me - it's all about the remaining weakened structures

> of

> > all of my teeth,

>

> Sorry, I did get it, but didn't respond.

> I'm kind of torn about the answer because when implants work, they're

> wonderful - but when they don't....

> Well, people wish they had never had them placed - when a large

> chunk of the jawbone has to be removed along with it.

> Sometimes they just smoulder for a few years before they explode,

> leading people to all it a success.

> I don't have any statistics on this, only my personal impression,

> which is that those people who vaguely describe the toxicities,

> reactivities... all the nagging problems that CFSers complain of,

> are poor candidates for implants and often regret it.

> We're all groping around for answers - and the only type of person I

> could trust with a question like " implants or not " would be a

> biological dentist who is CFS literate.

>

> My personal choice is not to have implants.

>

> Amazingly enough, when I was in a mold exposure situation a few

> years ago - I had abcesses fire up on a number of teeth and I thought

> I was completely doomed. I gave up fighting for a normal life and

> resumed " Mold Nomadism " and the abcesses cleared up all except for

> one tooth, which was too far gone.

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> Have a HUGE year through Small Business.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Modulating the immune system response makes a lot more sense

than " boosting " it or " fixing " it.

Instead of " boosting " the immmune system, how 'bout actually

addressing the problem which has activated the immune system in the

first place? Try recognizing and reducing the cause (infection). That

will help the immune system do it's job a lot more than trying to

tinker with it while ignoring what it's up against. We've got a

pretty incredible immune system to begin with. It's just that some

bugs are so adaptable they know how to trick it. And once the immune

system produces inflammation to fight the bugs, the inflammation

actually becomes a hindrance and gets in the way of the immune

system. Let's help stop all that by going straight to the problem

(the bugs) using some big guns. Our immune systems will appreciate us

for it.

penny

>

>

> Penny,

>

> It's always been shown that part of the CFS Immune System is in

overdrive and part is just sitting there. (This is why

just " boosting " immune system may not be for us, but modulating is).

> It has not been said or known for sure if it is just stuck in

overdrive from previous or is from active infection.

>

> Dr. De Merlier's work shows part that is " chopped up in little

pieces " . I believe that the phenomenon of not catching colds is

actually because part of the immune response has just stopped, not

because it is strong/functioning properly.

>

> I first had classic virulent flu type onset. THen many years of not

catching any normal colds or flus. Then, some colds and flus. Then,

the last 3 years, caught horrific " something " each winter, including

pneumonia last year that lasted for weeks, and , was resistent to

antibiotics.

>

> Katrina

>

>

[Guest guest]

Oh really? And here I thought people were totally open minded when it

comes to learning about chronic infections.

Funny you'd say I'm beating people over the head. Seems to me the

Glutathione hordes would fall under the head-beating camp since I

only come on here about once a year now to speak up. Why? Cuz nothing

changes.

People can believe whatever they want to believe. I just don't

understand why no one wants to investigate infection when there's so

much evidence to support it.

By the way, I've done whey protein and i.v. glutatione before it was

the big topic of discussion here. Didn't do much for me, although it

may give people a little boost. But as a cure for " CFS " ? Sorry, I

think it's a waste of time.

Would love to be wrong. But if I'm not, then I hope it doesn't take

years for people to figure that out. We just don't have that much

time.

penny

> >

> > This is why the cfs community goes nowhere. Because we keep

looking

> > at our immune system and NEVER look at the bugs and how freakin'

> > impossible it is to kill them.

> >

> Does nobody think it's important to learn about the real

> > enemy, the organims? Does nobody realize that organisms kill

people?

> If pwc really understood these big bad bugs,

> > they'd stop wasting their time on straw houses and start using

> bricks

> > as quickly as possible.

> >

>

>

> ***Hi Penny - Have you ever considered looking at any of the

research

> that Rich V. is working on?? That makes a lot more sense to me than

> blaming dental work. Could it be possible that if you fixed your

> methylation block/glutathione deficiency, that your body would be

able

> to finally let go of the infections you appear to have? It's

something

> for you to consider :-)

>

> Continually beating us over the head with your theories on bacteria

> isn't going to have us changing our views and converting to your

line

> of thinking.

>

> Take care.

> Bernie

>

[Guest guest]

>

> By the way, I've done whey protein and i.v. glutatione before it was

> the big topic of discussion here. Didn't do much for me, although it

> may give people a little boost. But as a cure for " CFS " ? Sorry, I

> think it's a waste of time.

>

***Hi Penny - Look at Rich's latest postings. It could be that you

have a methylation block and you need to work on that first in order

to raise your glutathione levels. As a matter of interest, have you

ever had your RBC Glutathione levels checked?? For me, out of the

dozens of tests I've had done over the years, my glutathione level was

the only test that has ever come back showing a problem.

Take care.

Bernie

[Guest guest]

Hello Bee and Group,

I have an understanding from various sources that dental Implants are harmful

but less harmful than root canals. I have 2 root canals that I am considering

to replace with implants. The bridge is not a good option in one of the cases

however may be possible for the other.

I have one dentist who wants to save the root canals with more root surgery and

another dentist who states that implants are a better choice.

I have infection show up in the x=ray at one root so it needs to be removed and

if anyone would care to comment - feedback would be appreciated.

[Guest guest]

Here at Ohio State University Dental School, they approved me as a candidate after reviewing my medical records. The only problem that they had a concern with was the meds ability to enhance bone loss as the rods are drilled into the bone. E

[Guest guest]

T-cell count is NEVER a factor in getting dental care. It was common many years ago to not provide oral health care to individuals with very low CD4 counts, but we have since learned that the more stressed the immune system is, the more important good oral health becomes. Oral health reflects overall health.

However, for dental implants for HIV+ people, one of the major concerns is the jaw bone and whether there is any bone loss. Another factor to investigate might be to see if the care is being funded with a White grant. At the University of Pennsylvania, we will do implants, but the patient has to pay for them. We don't cover them under our RW grant because of the high cost.

B