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[Guest guest]

,

I appreciate this comparison. I'd like to point out a couple of

other items relative to the products. This won't be exhaustive.

We do appreciate your emphasis on value and fairness,

and you do keep a lot of information organized at once.

The BrainMaster SW has certain capabilities that we feel are

important. One is ease-of-use. You can set up a new client

with a standard protocol in just a few mouse clicks and a little

typing. It is easy to change the protocols. There are 14

built-in protocols, and changing them is always a matter

of picking options rather than designing protocols from basics.

Also, we have a system that makes it easy to remotely

control home systems from the clinic or office. We can

quickly email setups, results, etc. or put on disks, or CD's.

We ALWAYS store all the session data, and it is always

a mouse-click away. We automatically count and regulate

sessions and session length, etc. etc. for remote training.

The results can also be emailed or written to disk, with

all the settings, etc. etc., using the Session Librarian.

We feel that the training should be simple to set up,

and simple to track and report. We do have clinicians

with 10, 20, or more BMrs out on remote use, and

it is very manageable to control setups, review results,

etc. from the home PC.

We also have high-quality alpha/theta sounds, animations,

and other options.

As Pete has pointed out, we are constantly improving.

In addition to the wideband units in field testing, any

BMr 2E modules will be upgradable if desired. Also,

any hardware, old and new, can run with the new 2.5

software, at 256 samples per second. You don't need

the new hardware to sample the faster rate. BrainMaster

also supports both HEG and EEG in one system.

Also, we are registered with the FDA as biofeedback

equipment, and as an EEG. We also work with other

professional, FDA-registered software such as the

NeuroGuide system from Bob Thatcher, and the

MINI-Q is supported by this system. This is, therefore,

a true clinical EEG system, for use in home, school,

clinic, office. etc. We also pride ourself on our

support.

We also have a battery system that can run " forever "

by using the internal charger, and letting it charge

overnight. If you plan to run the system 8 or 10 hours

a day, there is no need to change batteries.

So I hope to emphasize that the comparison does go

beyond the simple costs and interfaces, and there is an

important " big picture " of what we provide, how, and why.

And yes, Pete has been waiting for his new wideband

BrainMaster equipment, but it was sent recently!

Tom

comparison

>

> BrainMaster 2E, which is what you usually buy when you purchase it with

1.9A or 2.0 software, is an older hardware design which is in the process of

being updated right now. The Pendant is a brand new design. Here are some

comparisons of the two.

>

> Pendant costs $535 with shipping for a 2-channel EEG machine.

> BrainMaster costs $1,000-1,575 depending on what software you get and

whether or not you buy the affiliate membership.

>

> If you choose to use BioExplorer software, the list price for

hardware/software/protocols/shipping is :

> Pendant $1,085; BrainMaster $1,550 to 1,800.

>

> BrainMaster uses a cable to connect to the computer; cable attaches

through the COM port, which all desktops and a shrinking number of laptops

have. If you get a laptop with USB ports instead of a COM port, you'll have

to buy an adaptor and get it working to use the BrainMaster. It's easy to

plug a cable into the back of the BMer and the back of the computer (if you

have the right port).

>

> Pendant has a wireless connection to the computer. You plug a receiver

into the USB port on the computer, and the Pendant sends on one of 8

optional radio channels (like a portable phone). You can be 15

feet--sometimes more--from the computer and have the signal read just fine.

This does require that you install the receiver, which is usually not a

problem, especially with newer operating systems, if you have directions.

You also want to have a direct line of site between the Pendant and the

receiver--it won't go through solid objects (like people) very well. And

there is a potential for interference, though I've only seen this in

workshops where we had multiple Pendants and Pocket Neurobics units running

at the same time. It's easy to change the channel.

>

> BrainMaster is an 8-bit machine which samples at 120 per second. Pendant

can operate at 10 or 12 bits and sample at 256 or 512 per second. This is a

function of new machine using higher tech inexpensive components. Both will

somewhat improve signal quality. With a newer, still unreleased, version of

BioExplorer, the BMer 2E is able to sample at 256 per second, though it adds

to the cost of the package (not sure how much just yet).

>

> Biggest issue with BrainMaster is the quality of the old amplifiers in

terms of their response curve. They do not amplify all frequencies equally,

so they require either 2.0 BrainMaster software or BioExplorer's Gain

Equalization filters to provide an accurate representation of the EEG.

Pendant's newer amps provide a flat response curve without equalization

filters.

>

> When the newer BrainMaster wideband is released, it will continue to use

the COM port through a cable, but its amplifier response curve is reported

to be flat, which will be a significant improvement. It will be purchasable

without the affiliate membership and will be capable of sampling at 800 per

second in one channel using the special version of BioExplorer. It will

also have the ability to read up to 60Hz (compared with its current capacity

to 40Hz). Price for that unit should be around $1,275 with shipping and

without any software. I've been waiting for a while to get mine, so I can't

speak about it from experience yet, but I'll review it as soon as I've

played with it and have the okay from BrainMaster to do so.

>

> Pete

>

> > What is the general consensus of what is better the

> Pendant(pocket-neurobics) or brainmaster.

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi,

I have always thought that one of the really bad things about being in a

hospital is being surrounded by people who talk about sickness and sad stories

day in and day out. the other patients.

Second to being surrounded by doctors who work for the Pharma empire.

We all have those kind of stories in our lives, but not all people see the need

to share them.

Maybe sharing those things for some people is a way of dealing with it, but what

about the others they dump it on?

Some people probably are going through difficult phases. Some people might

suffer from OCD and keeping good thoughts in their mind is a struggle.

Some people just might think this here is an oasis of healing support and

positive input.

Some people here might even understand what I am talking about, LOL!

Ciao,

Pia

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi,

> I have always thought that one of the really bad things about being in a

hospital is being surrounded by people who talk about sickness and sad stories

day in and day out. the other patients.

> Second to being surrounded by doctors who work for the Pharma empire.

>

> We all have those kind of stories in our lives, but not all people see the

need to share them.

>

> Maybe sharing those things for some people is a way of dealing with it, but

what about the others they dump it on?

>

> Some people probably are going through difficult phases. Some people might

suffer from OCD and keeping good thoughts in their mind is a struggle.

> Some people just might think this here is an oasis of healing support and

positive input.

>

> Some people here might even understand what I am talking about, LOL!

> Ciao,

> Pia

>

@@ Hi Pia,

Yeah,I hear ya and I understand what you are talking about... lol

Whenever, I'm trapped in a scenario by people who constantly talk about sickness

and sad stories . I immediately ask the person to pause for a moment.

I then take out my ipod, turn it on, plug in my earphones and stick it in my

ears. Then, with a dull look, I pull out a piece of paper & print the following

to let the person read.

It says :

WARNING !!!

" I'm usually heavily medicated. Unfortunately. I'm out ALL OUT!

I'd like to see things from your point of view, but I can't seem to get my head

that far up your as*. Now go away. "

Best Regards,

Ed

group moderator

[Guest guest]

Tough love, Ed!

But one needs to protect himself.

When people are dumping those kinds of stories on me I wonder, do they just want

to get rid of it by spreading it?

I really have those OCD issues since I'm on the diet, that means that I'm

fighting obsessive negative thoughts. Gosh, almost like You cannot stop thinking

about it, as long as it is something negative.

So at the moment I take any of those sad stories as a personal attack.

Spiritually it is. Cause they create thoughts and thoughts are energy. And we

are energy.

It's weird, but I really have to protect myself at the moment.

Thanks for understanding,

Pia

> @@ Hi Pia,

>

> Yeah,I hear ya and I understand what you are talking about... lol

>

> Whenever, I'm trapped in a scenario by people who constantly talk about

sickness and sad stories . I immediately ask the person to pause for a moment.

>

> I then take out my ipod, turn it on, plug in my earphones and stick it in my

ears. Then, with a dull look, I pull out a piece of paper & print the following

to let the person read.

>

> It says :

>

> WARNING !!!

>

> " I'm usually heavily medicated. Unfortunately. I'm out ALL OUT!

> I'd like to see things from your point of view, but I can't seem to get my

head that far up your as*. Now go away. "

>

> Best Regards,

> Ed

> group moderator

>

[Guest guest]

Was this comment directed toward me sharing that my friend is dying? If so, I

apologize if it has upset you. While it is very sad and I appreciate the

condolences I am trying to learn from it. The comments about the high fats and

vit. c treatments have been helpful to me. If such a thing happens to myself or

someone I know again I would like to be prepared so that I know what to do this

time.

Heidi

(snip)

>

> Hi,

> I have always thought that one of the really bad things about being in a

hospital is being surrounded by people who talk about sickness and sad stories

day in and day out. the other patients.

> Second to being surrounded by doctors who work for the Pharma empire.

>

> We all have those kind of stories in our lives, but not all people see the

need to share them.

[Guest guest]

>

>

>

> Tough love, Ed!

> But one needs to protect himself.

>

> When people are dumping those kinds of stories on me I wonder, do they just

want to get rid of it by spreading it?

>

> I really have those OCD issues since I'm on the diet, that means that I'm

fighting obsessive negative thoughts. Gosh, almost like You cannot stop thinking

about it, as long as it is something negative.

>

> So at the moment I take any of those sad stories as a personal attack.

Spiritually it is. Cause they create thoughts and thoughts are energy. And we

are energy.

>

> It's weird, but I really have to protect myself at the moment.

>

> Thanks for understanding,

> Pia

@@ Hi Pia,

I think you sort of misunderstood. While I relate to your perspective, since

years ago I suffered panic attacks & anxiety. But no more.

The Warning message was a joke to lighten the mood while demonstrating how one

may feel in the scenario you described.

Since at those times I felt that way, since I had a lot on my own plate. People

with forms of anxiety i.e OCD or generalized anxiety disorder/GAD ..etc are

sensitive to dying issues or even disease. They are also have the mind thinking

and racing.

So, yeah, I understand. But I wouldn't actually waste my time writing out such

a message .. lol.

Pia, Yes, when people are in need of telling their sad story of sickness its

because they are scared, need compassion and / or need to know they are not

alone.

Pia, keep on this diet, minimizing/eliminating things like caffeine, sugars,

additives, soy, medications ..etc and you will feel better. Once I eliminated

this stuff I slowly..bit by bit had less symptoms.

In Solidarity,

Ed

group moderator

[Guest guest]

'Deuce' to what Ed said.

That's the beauty behind this diet Pia, nature always corrects and heals.

People with anxiety issues (including myself) are quite literally fat-deficient.

After

all it's the fat that creates our Essential God-given hormones needed to conquer

stress!

Get on the Fat Bandwagon and Dig In!

You WILL HEAL. Mark my words.

with Love,

LukeC

> >

> >

> >

> > Tough love, Ed!

> > But one needs to protect himself.

> >

> > When people are dumping those kinds of stories on me I wonder, do they just

want to get rid of it by spreading it?

> >

> > I really have those OCD issues since I'm on the diet, that means that I'm

fighting obsessive negative thoughts. Gosh, almost like You cannot stop thinking

about it, as long as it is something negative.

> >

> > So at the moment I take any of those sad stories as a personal attack.

Spiritually it is. Cause they create thoughts and thoughts are energy. And we

are energy.

> >

> > It's weird, but I really have to protect myself at the moment.

> >

> > Thanks for understanding,

> > Pia

>

> @@ Hi Pia,

>

> I think you sort of misunderstood. While I relate to your perspective, since

years ago I suffered panic attacks & anxiety. But no more.

>

> The Warning message was a joke to lighten the mood while demonstrating how one

may feel in the scenario you described.

>

> Since at those times I felt that way, since I had a lot on my own plate.

People with forms of anxiety i.e OCD or generalized anxiety disorder/GAD ..etc

are sensitive to dying issues or even disease. They are also have the mind

thinking and racing.

>

> So, yeah, I understand. But I wouldn't actually waste my time writing out

such a message .. lol.

>

> Pia, Yes, when people are in need of telling their sad story of sickness its

because they are scared, need compassion and / or need to know they are not

alone.

>

> Pia, keep on this diet, minimizing/eliminating things like caffeine, sugars,

additives, soy, medications ..etc and you will feel better. Once I eliminated

this stuff I slowly..bit by bit had less symptoms.

>

> In Solidarity,

> Ed

> group moderator

>

[Guest guest]

Just my 2 cents worth...which may even be worth less...LOL....I think people who

share thoughts and feelings are way healthier than those who stuff them. Those

who are affected by a bum endocrine system due to bad health or candida can have

mood disorders...people who have Candida can have mood disorders...I believe

intolerance can be part of our illness depending on how sick we are. I've been

on the diet for 4 months now....my personality has changed soooooo much. I

could have been a stand up comic before I started the diet...now I'm so calm and

my wit has gone missing....I'm hoping it's just the body waxing and waning until

it is healed. We need to take responsibility for our illness and inability to

cope with things that may not have even phased us if we were well....in

actuality it's not the other person who upsets us...it's our inability to cope

that upsets us. Here's to Health !!! May we all be kind, caring, sensitive to

needs of others and tolerant of each others right to be. Gail.....(curlygirl)

> >

> > Hi,

> > I have always thought that one of the really bad things about being in a

hospital is being surrounded by people who talk about sickness and sad stories

day in and day out. the other patients.

> > Second to being surrounded by doctors who work for the Pharma empire.

> >

> > We all have those kind of stories in our lives, but not all people see the

need to share them.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Luke,

thanks for encouragement and understanding,

Pia

>

> 'Deuce' to what Ed said.

> That's the beauty behind this diet Pia, nature always corrects and heals.

>

> People with anxiety issues (including myself) are quite literally

fat-deficient. After

> all it's the fat that creates our Essential God-given hormones needed to

conquer stress!

> Get on the Fat Bandwagon and Dig In!

>

> You WILL HEAL. Mark my words.

>

>

> with Love,

>

>

>

>

> LukeC

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Gail,

I didn't want to stuff those feelings, because I really cannot see the point

when we all start to tell our sad stories.

Downward spiral.

Also I thought there is some kind of theme, that is Bee's protocol, even recipes

are refered to another group.

I wouldn't like to see this turning into a big social club.

When I am called intolerant for that, so be it.

I had actually thought I am not speaking for myself alone, but maybe I am.

Pia

>

> Just my 2 cents worth...which may even be worth less...LOL....I think people

who share thoughts and feelings are way healthier than those who stuff them.

Those who are affected by a bum endocrine system due to bad health or candida

can have mood disorders...people who have Candida can have mood disorders...I

believe intolerance can be part of our illness depending on how sick we are.

I've been on the diet for 4 months now....my personality has changed soooooo

much. I could have been a stand up comic before I started the diet...now I'm so

calm and my wit has gone missing....I'm hoping it's just the body waxing and

waning until it is healed. We need to take responsibility for our illness and

inability to cope with things that may not have even phased us if we were

well....in actuality it's not the other person who upsets us...it's our

inability to cope that upsets us. Here's to Health !!! May we all be kind,

caring, sensitive to needs of others and tolerant of each others right to be.

Gail.....(curlygirl)

>

[Guest guest]

Gail,

That's awesome that your mood has improved! I'm glad that you are healing in so

many ways.

While I don't blame anyone for being in the dark, I just don't believe that

anyone is being held there against their will. Please don't take this the wrong

way. It's not to blame anyone. It only means that you do have the power to go

towards the light and you don't have to stay in the darkness. It was really

hard for me hear that I had a part in staying in the darkness, but instead of

focusing on how I got there (which I did for quite awhile), I realized that I

had the power to move towards the light. Hey, if I put myself there, I can get

myself out.

I grew up in an emotionally abusive home. I grew up with soda, junk food, and

microwaved meals. I probably still don't understand love. I married and

divorced two abusive men. When I made my decision to follow the light, I still

didn't feel it for a long time. I didn't even know HOW I was going to follow

the light. I went two more years with a lot of hormonal and emotional

imbalances, as I shed the things that were making me ill. I think that I am

finally feeling the light after being on Bee's diet for several months. I

FINALLY feel what it is like to be emotionally stable, (not that I'm always

emotionally stable now) but I first made a choice to heal physically,

emotionally, and spiritually. I think the hardest part was letting go of the

past so that I could move forward. (I was in such darkness for most of my life,

I don't even recognize myself in pictures when I was younger.)

Maybe everyone here is already moving towards the light, since they found Bee

and are doing what it takes to move towards wellness and health. I just want

everyone to know that they do have the power to heal and that their minds are a

powerful thing. If you believe that you will heal, your body will follow. I

truly believe that. I've lived that.

Kim

> That was a great quote...I love it !!!.......I have to say from experience

though that some of us are in darkness against our will and are not able to

choose light because of our health's affect on our emotions, our light has been

extinguished.

>

>

> Without fear and illness, I could never have accomplished all I have. "

>

> quote: Edvard Munch

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear colleagues, The Oregon Chiropractic Association has been working hard to ensure we gain a level playing field as “Primary Care Providers” for those who wish to practice primary care. I was appointed by Oregon’s new Governor to his “Health System Transformation Team” relative to health care reform here in Oregon. There were 46 team members over-represented by the medical profession and insurers of course and it became abundantly clear they had very limited understanding of our education leading to the a “Doctor of Chiropractic.” They are also unfamiliar with the many evidence based interventions we use for common acute and chronic illness and that not all of us simply pound down the high spots in people’s spines… To that end I thought I’d share this side by side core curriculum comparison of the 4-year program at the Univ of Western States, and the 4-year program at the medical school in Portland……. Have a great weekend, Vern Saboe DC From: Kathy [mailto:pegastianpress@...] Sent: Monday, April 11, 2011 2:51 PMVern SaboeSubject: Re: FW: Comparison Ok, Here it is. This was not easy by the way. But I guess your worth it. -- Re: FW: Comparison Close what I need changed, I need the Western States Chiropractic College to be renamed it's new name University of Western States. Next take the years off each. I need the Univ of Western states core curreculum the same font and a single column. I need the Univ of Western states on the left hand side the medical core curriculum on the right. Name the medical core curriculum " OHSU medical doctor degree program " FW: ComparisonDid you forget about me?? I wanted you to combine the OHSU core curriculum chart in this 1988-90 document to the one Seth Fortier did for me extracting just the core curriculum chart from Western State CC……Doc….thanks….From: Glenn F. Gumaer, D.C. [mailto:gfgdc@...] Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2011 11:10 AMvsaboe@...Subject: RE: ComparisonHi there Vern:Good to hear from you! Attached is a copy of the education comparison you requested.Take care,GlennGlenn F. Gumaer, B.S., D.C.Chiropractic PhysicianNorthside Chiropractic Clinic1240 N. Riverside AvenueMedford, OR 97501-4619541-770-1330 ofc541-770-7090 faxNo virus found in this message.Checked by AVG - www.avg.comVersion: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3557 - Release Date: 04/07/11No virus found in this message.Checked by AVG - www.avg.comVersion: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3565 - Release Date: 04/11/11 No virus found in this message.Checked by AVG - www.avg.comVersion: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3565 - Release Date: 04/11/11

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