Where do I start?

[Guest guest]

Cheryl,

Bath salts and milk baths are real easy,Melt and pour soap is fast and

easy.For cold press soap i would do lots od research and look for lots of

recipes,here's a place that has lots of recipes <A

HREF= " http://www.esosoft.com/thelibrary/index.htm " >Toiletries Library</A> .

Hope that helped,

Kim

Idaho

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[Guest guest]

<<<Should I go buy alot of ingredients and just make something? >>>

<grin> - I don't know if I'd go that far... I'd say for very very starters

you could make bath salts... You can go to your drug store - get epsom

salts - go to the health food store and get some sea salt (or to the grocery

store & get kosher salt). If you've got any " skin-friendly " fragrances...

Don't use potpourri oils (ugh - not for skin use)... You can use Essential

oils - if you do your research & find out the dilution rates (or ask -

someone will tell you)

That's the easiest... once you get hooked on that - then you start buying

different things - a bit at a time...

Check out this site:

http://www.esosoft.com/thelibrary/index.htm

It has TONS of recipes...

Hoped this helped a little...

B in TN

~~~Lathers by ~~~

@@@ Why doesn't Tarzan have a beard? @@@

[Guest guest]

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They also can be used in soaps, candles, various toiletries, etc. They

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They also have other supplies as well.

HTH

Becky~

[Guest guest]

Gidday,

Here's what I would recommend:

- Sort out your injuries.

- Get back into training.

- Begin with low intensity work (you should be able to talk easily

during it).

- Train for short periods of time (10-20 minutes) about 3 / week to

start.

- Choose exercises that are injury friendly (biking, aqua-jogging,

weights). Also take the stairs not the lift and walk rather than use

transport (if knee is up to it).

- Get a resistance programme to help your rehab and help tone.

- Progressively and slowly increase your work duration and

frequency.

- Before going to hard see a Docter to make sure your cleared for

training.

- Get plenty of sleep and rest between workouts.

- Eat 5-7 times per day.

- Eat plenty of fruit, veges, cereals and grains.

- Eat a moderate amount of diary, meat, poultry and fish.

- Minimise fat, higly processed foods, sugar, salty foods.

- Drink heaps of water (2 litres plus a day).

- Make some lifestyle changes as mentioned above, because once

you lose the weight you want to keep it off.

- Set some realistic goals (weekly and montly).

- Keep to those goals. If your slacking or not achieving your goals

seek professional guidance from a physical trainer and/or a

nutritionist (they are the experts).

- Be patient - allow your injuries to heal your body to get used to

your training and nutrition resigme. There are no miracles with

weight loss, just hard work and patience, but the rewards are worth

it.

Hope this helps.

Keene

akeene@...

[Guest guest]

,

There has been some discussion on this site regarding the Atkins approach.

From what I have noticed the responses can be divided into two camps:

1) Personal statements by list members that goes something like " The low

carb diet (Atkins) with high protein intake has been the best thing for me:

more energy, better sleep and fantastic weight loss. " I fall into this

group. Over the course of 3 months I lost> 35lbs of fat and gained >15lbs of

muscle. I weight train fairly heavy following the Westside program (see

links on www.deepsquater.com).

2) Analytical statements from listmembers who say why the Atkins approach

should not work. These people say things like it is only a reduction of

calories, not the fact that it is a reduction of carbohydrates, that makes

the difference. (I know that for me, when I only reduced fats and calories

but kept my carbs up I could not lose weight.)

This thread lasted for about a week. At the end I stopped writing about how

the restricted carb approach worked for me (others who experienced the

benefits of the Atkins approach also got quiet). However, there are a lot

of listmembers who would swear that the best way to lose body FAT is a low

carb diet. Remember my net loss of weight was only 20lbs, but that was

because I gained muscle (as measured by % body fat using simple caliper

methods).

Add to you diet strenuous weight training. Muscle burns calories even while

resting.

Good luck.

Rande Treece

Denver, CO

Where do I Start?

I'm an overweight 34 year old, with a desk job and a number of

recurring injuries. After the excesses of the New Year 2000, I began

an intensive and strict fitness programme as part of an attempt to

lose weight and improve my martial arts performance.

Unfortunately, after three months on a low fat/high carbohydrate/

cross training programme I had lost only 7 pounds and aggravated my

knee and a shoulder injuries. Since then, I've spent a fortune on

physiotherapists and given up on dieting and exercise with the result

that my weight has begun to creep up again.

My plan was to return to training/ remediation via Pilates, followed

by increasingly intensive weights work (in the belief that as a

naturally thick set person, strength work would 1. suit my build, and

2. reinforce my joints against possible injury in cardio training). I

also planned to diet using the Atkins/ low carb approach which I had

read would go well with a weight training regime.

Then I decided to join this list to get some expert advice. Big

mistake: because after searching under Pilates and Atkins I've

found the list is full of conflicting opinions as to the merit of these

approaches. And I'm completely confused. Was I on the right track

to start off with, or does anyone have any better ideas?

Rook

[Guest guest]

michael.rook@... wrote:

> I'm an overweight 34 year old, with a desk job and a number of

> recurring injuries.

Then start slowly and listen to your body.

> After the excesses of the New Year 2000, I began an intensive and

> strict fitness programme as part of an attempt to lose weight and

> improve my martial arts performance.

Could you briefly describe this program?

> Unfortunately, after three months on a low fat/high carbohydrate/

> cross training programme I had lost only 7 pounds and aggravated my

> knee and a shoulder injuries.

A good resistance-training program should put weight on (muscle mass)

as well as take it off (fat mass). The scale doesn't measure

fitness; it measures gravitational pull.

> My plan was to return to training/ remediation via Pilates,

> followed by increasingly intensive weights work (in the belief that

> as a naturally thick set person, strength work would 1. suit my

> build, and 2. reinforce my joints against possible injury in cardio

> training).

I doubt you'll find much support for Pilates here, and I seriously

doubt it'll give you a " dancer's physique with long, lean muscles " .

> I also planned to diet using the Atkins/ low carb approach which I

> had read would go well with a weight training regime.

Some people feel better on a low-carb diet; some don't.

Matt Madsen

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Matt Madsen asked me to describe my program – I'll try to keep it

brief. In the belief that this was the best way to lose weight, I

started a cardio-only routine in January 2000, going hammer and tongs

on an exercise bike - one with handles you pump while you peddle with

your legs. Big mistake: as a business journalist, I spend all day at

a keyboard, and my right shoulder packed up (a combination of mouse

RSI and too much exercise bike pumping, I think).

So – I stopped everything until June and did some research. When I started

again, I followed a program of two weight training sessions a week, plus three

cardio sessions (one bike, one swimming, one rowing). I coupled this

cross training with a by-the-book low fat/ high carb diet - with a

daily calorie reduction designed to give a 1.5 pound per week weight

loss.

Unfortunately, after an encouraging start, I lost only half a

stone (7 pounds) and both my shoulder and my knee packed up after a

couple of months. And that's where I am now. I've also had various

problems with my lower back, and have been to a good physio.

Thanks to Rande and for their replies, by the way. I still

have a couple of questions, however. My suspicion is that restricting

my carb intake would help, but feel wary about doing the full Atkins

induction diet, whereby you cut out carbs entirely for two weeks. As

I understand it, this can reduce your ability to do demanding

intellectual work (which obviously would make life as a journalist

difficult – although some people might disagree!). How necessary is

the two week abstention period, in your experience?

Also, am I right to think that concentrating on strength work before

going back to cardio may be a good way of preventing future injuries?

I accept that Pilates may not be as revolutionary as its

practitioners make out – but can weight training be used for

remediation?

[Guest guest]

Micheal wrote:

My suspicion is that restricting

my carb intake would help, but feel wary about doing the full Atkins

induction diet, whereby you cut out carbs entirely for two weeks. As

I understand it, this can reduce your ability to do demanding

intellectual work (which obviously would make life as a journalist

difficult - although some people might disagree!). How necessary is

the two week abstention period, in your experience?

,

I used the induction for more than 3 weeks. I found I was more energetic and

alert. Most of my life I have been borderline narcaleptic (sp?) and until I

started on Atkins was drinking 2-3 POTS of coffee a day. I am a scientist

by day and find that I need to use my brain some, as well. After less than a

month I was drinking about 2 CUPS of coffee a day.

These days I am eating more carbs and finding myself sleepy again.

The problem is that during the Thanksgiving break I pigged out on sweets and

now my sweet tooth is back. Giving up potatoes and rice is easy. Giving up

beer and ice cream is much more difficult. But my weight loss more than

compensated for the deprivation. I am trying to get back to it again.

Rande Treece

Denver, CO

[Guest guest]

on 2/12/00 1:23 AM, michael.rook@... at michael.rook@... wrote:

> .................... June and did some research. When I started

> again, I followed a program of two weight training sessions a week, plus three

> cardio sessions (one bike, one swimming, one rowing). I coupled this

> cross training with a by-the-book low fat/ high carb diet - with a

> daily calorie reduction designed to give a 1.5 pound per week weight

> loss.

>

> Unfortunately, after an encouraging start, I lost only half a

> stone (7 pounds) and both my shoulder and my knee packed up after a

> couple of months. And that's where I am now. I've also had various

> problems with my lower back, and have been to a good physio.

Have you considered going to a dietitian who could do a dietary analysis for

you, and calculate your daily calorie intake and metabolic calorie

expenditure plus expenditure from any training you are doing ? Adjustments

can be made to your daily eating plan that will allow you to lose fat, and

be able to maintain the plan for a considerable time, rather than a " diet "

that you go " on " and thus go " off " . Such " diets " do not fit in with normal

eating patterns and make eating out etc somewhat difficult.

Have you considered walking or water running to take pressure off your knee

and back ? They would enable you to maintain the aerobic component of your

weights/aero programme.

Dickman

Newcastle, Australia

[Guest guest]

michael.rook@... wrote:

> Matt Madsen asked me to describe my program – I'll try to keep it

> brief. In the belief that this was the best way to lose weight, I

> started a cardio-only routine in January 2000, going hammer and

> tongs on an exercise bike - one with handles you pump while you

> peddle with your legs. Big mistake: as a business journalist, I

> spend all day at a keyboard, and my right shoulder packed up (a

> combination of mouse RSI and too much exercise bike pumping, I

> think).

As I implied in another post, you really shouldn't go " hammer and

tongs " in any new routine. Even moderate exercise would've left you

feeling better while getting leaner and fitter. And you might not've

injured yourself.

Realize that the few workouts you spend getting up to speed are a

tiny, tiny fraction of your overall workout scheme. You'll hit

plenty of plateaus down the line; don't worry that you " wasted " your

first couple weeks of working out by going easy.

> So – I stopped everything until June and did some research.

You stopped completely?

> When I started again, I followed a program of two weight training

> sessions a week, plus three cardio sessions (one bike, one

> swimming, one rowing).

Might I recommend moderation?

> Unfortunately, after an encouraging start, I lost only half a

> stone (7 pounds) and both my shoulder and my knee packed up after a

> couple of months. And that's where I am now. I've also had various

> problems with my lower back, and have been to a good physio.

I'm probably beating a dead horse at this point, but you really do

seem to overdo things. Did you feel these injuries coming on? Did

you continue to work through them? Did you consider scaling back

your training at all?

Exercise is NOT an all-or-nothing proposition. You can see great

gains with a moderate workout or two each week -- at least for

awhile.

And, of course, realize that the scale isn't measuring body-fat; it's

measuring your total weight. If you're lifting right, you should

expect to put on a stone or two of muscle mass in your first year.

Matt Madsen

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/1/2002 6:02:13 AM Central Daylight Time,

writes:

<<

HI Everyone, Mic is 2years old and now that we have discovered asd I would

have known alot sooner had I really known what asd was,I blamed all his

regression on ds/heart surgery.I have an IFSP meeting with all Mics

therapists on Sept 10.Until I cannot just wait which is what Mics providers

are suggesting.Although they know me well enough to know I wont.Last nite we

all went shopping Mic Dad and me and I realized that I could not have handled

Mic alone without dad and shop.I cried and cried, life as I know it is

changing so fast.Mic is becoming very aggressive I am a little person he

already is beating me up.I sometimes wear a tight hat so he cant pull my

hair.He acts better for his dad than me.Is this common?I live in upstate ny

and have read the state guidelines for asd so I know where I stand there.I

have spoken with all of Mics therapists in detail before the meeting about

this.Mic has no words anymore, where do I start.Its like starting over, Mic

has been in EI for over a year and we were just looking at ds.I am lost at

this point and I know that other parents are the best teachers for me.Mic

will not eat anything but ice cream anymore.Are these signs of regression and

how can I railroad them.Mic has a room full of toys and only plays with his

watch which which he taps on things for hours.He does love Barney but I think

Ive aloowed him way to much Barney.I know I have to take small steps I just

cant put one foot in front of the other. Love Laurie

>>

Laurie,

I'm glad you found the group. You know me from the heart group. Warning, free

advice ahead- You are not late in getting a diagnosis.Two years old is very

early for an ASD diagnosis in any child, ds or not, so quit beating yourself

up. Yeah, like that is possible.

My other sage advice for the day is to remember that life is a marathon not a

sprint so pace yourself.

On to practical things, have you had Mic's ears checked by an ENT since his

speech loss? Fluid in the ear can cause lots of problems for kids, esp. kids

that already have sensory issues or ASD. I know our ped. would always tell me

had no infection but never told me if there was fluid. rarely has

ear infections. Turns out chronic fluid complicated his sensory issues and

delayed his speech. He now has tubes in his ears and we monitor them closely.

Something I learned the hard way.

Unfortunately if isn't uncommon for our kids to have lots of difficulty with

shopping. Stores are meant to be very stimulating and it overloads our kids.

Can you work on building a support network for you and Mic? Do you have

people that Mic can stay with while you go shopping or spend time with your

husband? It is good for Mic to be with different people (sometimes it is

amazing what will do for someone else, the stinker) and it is good for

you to take breaks (I should take my own advice more often).

Barney isn't bad (in moderation). has loved Barney for years. Barney

taught how to sit nicely at the dentist(I love Barney for this). Will

Mic let you do the Barney songs and dances with him? That may be a way to use

his interest and build on it.

Mic has lots of strengths. Try to focus on those things and build on them.

OK, enough free advice. Just remember, when it comes to advice you get what

you pay for. LOL!!!

Karyn

[Guest guest]

Hey! I was just discharged 3 weeks ago after 15.5 years of impeccable

service for refusing the shot! Welcome to the club. As far as I know,

I've lost everything.

Where do I start?

I was discharged form the army for refusing the Anthrax shot back in

2000. I really am not up to date with everything. What is going

on, who do I talk to, and can I get my benefits back?

Thanks

Brent Wheelwright

Our Anthrax information web site:

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Also visit: Anthrax Vaccine Benefit vs Risk: http://www.avip2001.net AND

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Military Vaccine Education Center link, http://www.milvacs.org

Sgt. Larson's story:

http://www.ngwrc.org/anthrax/heroes/sandralarson.htm

http://www.avip2001.net/CongressionalTestimony.htm

Tom Heemstra's new book -

http://www.anthraxadeadlyshotinthedark.com/index.html

Contact list owner: Gretchen at: anna_nim@...

[Guest guest]

..> Hey! I was just discharged 3 weeks ago after 15.5 years of

impeccable

..> service for refusing the shot! Welcome to the club. As far as I

know,

..> I've lost everything.

..>

..>

You do unless you fight to get it back! The order to receive the

anthrax immunization is obviously illegal, since the post-1990 process

deviation Bioport immunization product was never properly licensed (and

still is not). The " clinical studies " used to justify its safety and

efficacy were all based on the pre-1990 product. Those studies were

never designed to properly assess the immunization's safety and efficacy

in any event.

With modern cell culture and biochemical and genetic analysis

technology, it should now be possible to assess the efficacy of the

immunization product in humans without actually exposing them to live

_B._anthracis_ (not that this would ever prevent the DoD from doing

exactly that pursuant to the Stanley decision). Those studies would

demonstrate the immunization's lack of specificity, and document in

those of us who got sick from it, the presence and nature of the

immunization's toxicity and the immunological mimicry of its impure

antigens. The Bioport immunization material and the FDA's " approval " of

it are so ripe for legal challenge that I'd love to be one of those to

bring them into court. We'd certainly win on the merits, but we'd

likely never survive the obvious anti-Veteran prejudice of the " Scalia

Faction " in the Supreme Court. Most of that group also crafted the

Stanley decision.

Fresh from a significant Federal Court victory of my own,

Fisher, MD

LTC USAFR MC FS (Ret.)

Service-Connected 100% Disabled Veteran (Anthrax Immunization

Complications)

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I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing,

and as necessary in the political world as storms in the

physical.

... It is a medicine necessary for the sound health of

government.

-- Jefferson

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[Guest guest]

hi pricelesssarsi

have you tried richard simmons food mover and slim away??? you can get them really cheap on ebay and you dont need to really buy any diet food. you can eat real food. just smaller portions. i got on the program on feb 2 2004 i weighed 375 pounds then i noe weigh 255, its really easy to follow.

judypricelesssarai <pricelesssarai@...> wrote:

Here are the stats. 5'10, 295 lb. I don't really have a goal weight. I want to go by how I feel, breathe, move. In 2000 when I weighed 230 I played volleyball and basketball. Now I can barely get up the stairs to my house. So, I want to know how to start chipping away at these pounds. Most fitness magazines, tapes, etc. are targeted towards thin women. (Anybody want to start a fitness mag for normal people? Call me!) Should I do yoga? Walk? I can't jog, I can't do lunges. I don't want to only lose weight though. I really think that bring overweight is a symptom. I overeat to handle emotions, boredom, anxiety, underachievement. Women like Mo'Nique, Kathy Najimy, and Camryn Manheim show us that being overweight doesn't mean being unattractive or ugly as we so commonly call it. They are all beautiful. I want to feel that way

about myself.Hope to hear from you all.

[Guest guest]

So Judy wow 120 lbs. Tell us the whole story. We just love inspiring stories.

NH... Mom to Abby Liz 10/94 Anne 7/99

[Guest guest]

> I want to go by how I feel, breathe, move.

That's a good enough goal. It *is* possible to be fat and healthy, you know.

>Now I can barely get up the stairs to my house.

Why did you stop all your activities? Was there an injury? No time? General

lack of interest?

>Should I do yoga? Walk? I can't jog, I can't do lunges.

If it feels good, do it! LOL

Go back to your sports, or walk, or borrow a variety of exercise videos from

your library and find one or more that you like (Many ladies here swear by

the Sansone Walk Away the Pounds series and her other 1-mile walks).

Join some groups for larger women, like SizewisePlus or Don't Tell Me

What Size I must B:

donttellmewhatsizeimustb/

sizewiseplus

Visit sites like Bliss'

http://www.kellybliss.com

and look at the exercise videos she has out, made with and for the plus

sizes.

Or just get the " older adult " versions of others videos, like

and the Silver Foxes (My all-time favorite exercise video that I've

been doing since it came out in the 1980's!), because the moves are slower

and easier on our joints.

Or walk. Just walk. Start slow, like 5 minutes away from home, then turn

back and walk 5 minutes back. Do that for a week or so, then increase it to

10 minutes out and 10 back. Do this at your own speed a few times a week,

eventually working up to an hour of walking 5 to 7 days a week. Put on your

headphones with your favorite music or audiobook and out you go. Don't

expect to be able to walk that much for at least a few months, though. Baby

steps will prevent injuries or burnout.

Or even easier, just turn on your stereo and dance around your living room.

Anything that gets the heart rate going a bit faster for length of time.

Visit our Links and Files sections for LOADS of free information.

> I don't want to only lose weight though. I really think that bring

> overweight is a symptom.

I think you watch too much Dr. Phil. LOL

>I overeat to handle emotions, boredom, anxiety, underachievement.

Name me one person, fat or thin, who *doesn't* eat at emotionally stressfull

times!

Maybe you can pick up the book Overcoming Overeating when you hit the

library, too. It may help you sort some things out. You can visit the

authors' web site at:

http://www.overcomingovereating.com , and maybe join their group:

oosupport .

>They are all

> beautiful. I want to feel that way about myself.

Then start taking those steps to return yourself to optimal health, no

matter what your size. Exercise again; eat healthier foods by adding more

fruits & veggies; drink more water (We big gals need more than 8 glasses a

day.).

Go through your closets and toss out anything that doesn't fit. You can't

feel good about yourself if you don't feel comfortable in your clothes. Buy

or sew up new clothing that fits you in all the right places and looks good

on you.

Get a new haircut. If you usually wear makeup, wear it again, or go for a

free make-over and try some new stuff. Try a new cologne scent.

Read books that are empowering, like Marilyn Wann's Fat!So? and hang out on

fat friendly message boards like her Gab Cafe, or the Big Fat Blog

(http://www.bigfatblog.org). Visit web sites by size-friendly organizations,

like National Association to Advance Fat Acceptance (http://www.naafa.org)

and International Size Acceptance Association. Be sure to look over their

Links and Suggested Reading pages.

And stop looking at the TV ads, magazines, even the newspaper articles that

say how we're all gonna die horrible deaths and how we're responsible for

all the poverty and illnesses in the world and the war in Iraq (Well, Bush's

surgeon general *did* say that obesity is a greater risk than WMD a few

years back).

So, start making those small changes - get moving again, add some healthier

foods to your daily meals, brighten up your outlook on life, and visit those

sites & read those books - and pretty soon you'll start feeling healthy and

happy again, no matter what your weight!

Sue in NJ

[Guest guest]

lol nothing really inspiring about it lol i am 37 years old and one year ago i weighed 375 pounds. my health has been pretty bad the last 5 years i have had 9 hernia operation. and have been hospitalized for cellulitce. sorry i cant spell it. i am also almost totally blind. i was told that i had to lose the weight cause i need knee surgery. so a friend of mine gave me my slim away program. i will admitt that it was hard to follow richards program and as the weight started to drop i was so happy. and at 100 pounds off i was misraball. the lose skin just hanged were skin did not need to hang. i was getting sores from the skin and my dr. told me to go see a plastic surgeon and see about a tummy tuck. well i had the tummy tuck on march 31 2005 and i am walking about 1 mile at a time. so i am doing better. i still have a hernia but because of the weight lose i does not bother me at all. so if any one is having a problem finding a diet to follow i would suggest that they follow

richard he is the best.

god bless

judyJase4567@... wrote:

So Judy wow 120 lbs. Tell us the whole story. We just love inspiring stories.

NH... Mom to Abby Liz 10/94 Anne 7/99

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I want to say welcome to the group! When I first started out I had the same feelings you had. I wanted to feel good about myself. At 411 pounds, I also have problems with walking and swelling of the feet. At 230, I was playing vollyball too!

You had asked what you should do first! You do what you enjoy and what you can do. Try activities that take the strain off the feet. Swimming, biking, incline biking, kayaking, rafting.

If you can't stand walking, then try rollerskating. Just try to do something for more than 10 minutes a day.

Do something till it becomes easy and then try something new!

Blessings,

420/411/140pricelesssarai <pricelesssarai@...> wrote:

Here are the stats. 5'10, 295 lb. I don't really have a goal weight. I want to go by how I feel, breathe, move. In 2000 when I weighed 230 I played volleyball and basketball. Now I can barely get up the stairs to my house. So, I want to know how to start chipping away at these pounds. Most fitness magazines, tapes, etc. are targeted towards thin women. (Anybody want to start a fitness mag for normal people? Call me!) Should I do yoga? Walk? I can't jog, I can't do lunges. I don't want to only lose weight though. I really think that bring overweight is a symptom. I overeat to handle emotions, boredom, anxiety, underachievement. Women like Mo'Nique, Kathy Najimy, and Camryn Manheim show us that being overweight doesn't mean being unattractive or ugly as we so commonly call it. They are all beautiful. I want to feel that way

about myself.Hope to hear from you all.

Start your day with - make it your home page

[Guest guest]

Judy,

How much did the plastic surgery cost? I know with a 250 pound loss, I'm going to need some.

Blessings,

judy perrin <jujubear1@...> wrote:

my dr. told me to go see a plastic surgeon and see about a tummy tuck. well i had the tummy tuck on march 31 2005 and i am walking about 1 mile at a time. __________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

cat i have no idea how much it cost. my insurance paid for it. Maher <struggle2stardom@...> wrote:

Judy,

How much did the plastic surgery cost? I know with a 250 pound loss, I'm going to need some.

Blessings,

judy perrin <jujubear1@...> wrote:

my dr. told me to go see a plastic surgeon and see about a tummy tuck. well i had the tummy tuck on march 31 2005 and i am walking about 1 mile at a time.

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Well I'm sorry I asked.....glad your doing great on your weight loss.

Blessings,

judy perrin <jujubear1@...> wrote:

cat i have no idea how much it cost. my insurance paid for it. Maher <struggle2stardom@...> wrote:

Judy,

How much did the plastic surgery cost? I know with a 250 pound loss, I'm going to need some.

Blessings,

judy perrin <jujubear1@...> wrote:

my dr. told me to go see a plastic surgeon and see about a tummy tuck. well i had the tummy tuck on march 31 2005 and i am walking about 1 mile at a time.

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[Guest guest]

cat i was not trying to be rude. just sounded that way i guess. im sorry

Maher <struggle2stardom@...> wrote:

Well I'm sorry I asked.....glad your doing great on your weight loss.

Blessings,

judy perrin <jujubear1@...> wrote:

cat i have no idea how much it cost. my insurance paid for it. Maher <struggle2stardom@...> wrote:

Judy,

How much did the plastic surgery cost? I know with a 250 pound loss, I'm going to need some.

Blessings,

judy perrin <jujubear1@...> wrote:

my dr. told me to go see a plastic surgeon and see about a tummy tuck. well i had the tummy tuck on march 31 2005 and i am walking about 1 mile at a time.

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[Guest guest]

No problem and I'm sorry that I acted snippy. It was none of my business asking financial information anyways.

Blessings,

420/411/140judy perrin <jujubear1@...> wrote:

cat i was not trying to be rude. just sounded that way i guess. im sorry

Start your day with - make it your home page

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the suggestion. I am looking into that this week. Congrats

on the weight loss success too.

[Guest guest]

Well, I stopped playing sports because I moved. I wouldn't even know

where to look to play sports here. I might be able to do some videos

at home. Thanks for all the site and book recommendations.

You don't think being overweight is the result of another problem? I

think it's like a cough when you have the flu.

I would love to make some clothes but I can't sew! Nobody to teach me.

What is WMD?

Thanks a lot, Sue.