Guest guest Posted December 6, 2004 Report Share Posted December 6, 2004 Thanks for posting this . Have you seen Jenner's website. He feels vitamin D (and magnesium) have helped him considerably during the past 8-9 months. Dan > > Hi all, > > in a AACFS 2004 conference summary by dr. Lapp I saw the following > mentioned: > > - Activated microgliae secrete pro-inflammatory cytokines and > nitrous oxide (NO) causing a chronic low level injury. > > - Reduced Vitamin D levels are seen in both CFS and FM, correlating > with increased musculoskeletal pain and lower bone density. > > I found an interesting study about vitamin D, I will paste it below. > It seems vitamin D might be a useful supplement to take for cfs/fm, > I also found a text written by professor Pall where he says : > A number of agents have been shown to lower the induction of iNOS > and thus may help downregulate peroxynitrite levels. In some cell > types, at least, these have been shown to include vitamin D > derivatives... > > It might be worthwhile to have our vitamin D level tested and take > it for a while to see if we have any benefit from it. > > Take care, > > _R > > Vitamin D3 inhibits proinflammatory cytokines and nitric oxide > production by the EOC13 microglial cell line. > > Lefebvre d'Hellencourt C, Montero-Menei CN, Bernard R, Couez D. > > Unite INSERM XR298 et Laboratoire de Biologie Moleculaire, > Immunologie > et Therapeutique des Cancers, CHU, Angers, France. > > In recent years, a neuroimmunomodulatory role for > 1,25-dihydroxyvitamine D(3) [1,25(OH)(2)D(3)] has emerged. Microglial > cells present a potential target for the effects of this hormone in > the brain. This study focuses on the effect of 1,25(OH)(2)D(3) on the > expression and production of inflammatory cytokines and nitric oxide > (NO) by the EOC13 microglial cell line. The presence of the vitamin > D3 > receptor in microglia was demonstrated by RT-PCR. 1,25(OH)(2)D(3) > inhibited the production of tumor necrosis factor-alpha, > interleukin-6, and NO by stimulated microglia in a > concentration-related fashion. The production of transforming growth > factor-beta1 (TGF-beta1), an anti-inflammatory cytokine, was not > modified in the presence of 1,25(OH)(2)D(3), indicating that the > effects of 1,25(OH)(2)D(3) may not involve TGF-beta1 regulation. > These > results show that 1,25(OH)(2)D(3) has direct anti-inflammatory > properties on microglia. It further supports the hypothesis that > 1,25(OH)(2)D(3) could be involved in the maintenance of the brain > homeostasis and may have a therapeutic potential in inflammatory > pathologies of the central nervous system. Copyright 2002 Wiley-Liss, > Inc. > > PMID: 12548714 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2006 Report Share Posted June 20, 2006 Hi Could someone just recap as to how much D3 to take. Is it safe. I am concerned it will push my blood levels of d to high lisa Rich / Blake/ all : Best immune stimulants/ regulators Hi I wanted to know what in your experience are the best immune stimulants / regulators ie : Shiatake / beta sis / beta glucans/ Vit D/ Echinacea / Transfer factor or more ??? Regards CS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2006 Report Share Posted June 20, 2006 THe doc I saw last summer told me to take 5000 iu vitamin D plus 50,000 iu every three months. No harm to me so far.... mjh " The Basil Book " _http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/_ (http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/) _Re: vitamin D3 _ (http://us.lrd./_ylc=X3oDMTJwNmNjMW81BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzkxNTc0BG\ dycHNwSWQDMTYwMDA2MTY0NQRtc2dJZAM5OTk4MQRzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsD dm1zZwRzdGltZQMxMTUwODI4MDgw;_ylg=1/SIG=122a1djao/**gr oup//message/99981) Posted by: " Blake Graham " _blanket@... _ (mailto:blanket@...?Subject= Re: vitamin D3) _galapagust _ (galapagust) Tue Jun 20, 2006 5:38 am (PST) Hi , I recommend people get their blood levels tested. If not 2000 IU of D3 is safe. Some people require 5000 IU/day. blake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2006 Report Share Posted June 20, 2006 Thank you Blake How long in your experience does it take to start noticing benefits. Should you continue with 2000iu if you are out in the sun Rich / Blake/ all : Best immune stimulants/ regulators Hi I wanted to know what in your experience are the best immune stimulants / regulators ie : Shiatake / beta sis / beta glucans/ Vit D/ Echinacea / Transfer factor or more ??? Regards CS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2006 Report Share Posted June 20, 2006 Just wanted to say that if you've ever had kidney stones, high levels of Vit. D can bring more on. My stones were calcium based, so I cannot take a D supplement of any kind. Suzy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2006 Report Share Posted June 20, 2006 Hi , I recommend people get their blood levels tested. If not 2000 IU of D3 is safe. Some people require 5000 IU/day. blake Rich / Blake/ all : Best immune stimulants/ regulators Hi I wanted to know what in your experience are the best immune stimulants / regulators ie : Shiatake / beta sis / beta glucans/ Vit D/ Echinacea / Transfer factor or more ??? Regards CS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 Hi , hard to say as I never do things in isolation. You can't predict peoples vitamin d levels based on their sun exposure, this is what I have learnt from testing people. I have some people who are massively deficient and some people who are normal, with most in between. I would strongly encourage you to get a blood test. Blake Rich / Blake/ all : Best immune stimulants/ regulators Hi I wanted to know what in your experience are the best immune stimulants / regulators ie : Shiatake / beta sis / beta glucans/ Vit D/ Echinacea / Transfer factor or more ??? Regards CS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 I think I sent you our protocol. We use 1000 IU OTC for levels of 21-30, plus there is an additional 1,000 IU between the calcium w/D and the MVI. So the total repletion is 2,000 IU. For levels 20 or less, we give the 1,000 IUs from the Calcium w/D and MVI with the D2 twice a week. Once a patient has been low, we maintain with 2,000 IU total (1,000 OTC and the Ca, MVI). Jeanne Blankenship, MS RD Sacramento, CA -------------- Original message from barbara hodges <bhodgesrd@...>: -------------- Is anyone using 1000 IU of OTC vitamin D3 daily for vitamin D repletion? How have your results been? We are trying to decide between 1000 IU of D3 vs 50000 IU of D2 1x per week. Any recommendations out there? Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 We don't believe that RNY patients can convert D2 to D3 effectively; thus, we prescribe only dry D3, 50,000 IU weekly to raise levels when deficient, then 800-1,000 IU daily--testing to see what keeps levels WNL. Be sure lab is testing 25(OH)D, not 1,25- dihydroxyvitamin D. Steve Huntington, PhD, RD, LD > > Is anyone using 1000 IU of OTC vitamin D3 daily for vitamin D repletion? How have your results been? We are trying to decide between 1000 IU of D3 vs 50000 IU of D2 1x per week. Any recommendations out there? > > > _____________________________________________________________________ _______________ > Never miss a thing. Make your home page. > http://www./r/hs > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 thank you Steve and Jeanne for your help on this topic. Your recommendations are very helpful. Would you happen to know of any articles you could steer me toward that outlines these recommendations?? Barbara Re: Vitamin D3 We don't believe that RNY patients can convert D2 to D3 effectively;thus, we prescribe only dry D3, 50,000 IU weekly to raise levelswhen deficient, then 800-1,000 IU daily--testing to see what keepslevels WNL. Be sure lab is testing 25(OH)D, not 1,25-dihydroxyvitamin D.Steve Huntington, PhD, RD, LD>> Is anyone using 1000 IU of OTC vitamin D3 daily for vitamin D repletion? How have your results been? We are trying to decide between 1000 IU of D3 vs 50000 IU of D2 1x per week. Any recommendations out there?> > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _____________ ___> Never miss a thing. Make your home page. > http://www.. com/r/hs> Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 We supplement <10 with 50,000 IU x 5-8 wks and recheck levels <30 we rec 1000 IU daily. But check out this latest research. D2 is equal to D3. J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2008 Mar;93(3):677-81. Epub 2007 Dec 18. Links Vitamin d2 is as effective as vitamin d3 in maintaining circulating concentrations of 25-hydroxyvitamin d.Holick MF, Biancuzzo RM, Chen TC, Klein EK, Young A, Bibuld D, Reitz R, Salameh W, Ameri A, Tannenbaum AD. Boston University School of Medicine, 715 Albany Street, M-1013, Boston, Massachusetts 02118. mfholick@.... Context: Two reports suggested that vitamin D(2) is less effective than vitamin D(3) in maintaining vitamin D status. Objective: Our objective was to determine whether vitamin D(2) was less effective than vitamin D(3) in maintaining serum 25-hydroxyvitamin D levels or increased the catabolism of 25-hydroxyvitamin D(3). Subjects and Design: This was a randomized, placebo-controlled, double-blinded study of healthy adults ages 18-84 yr who received placebo, 1000 IU vitamin D(3), 1000 IU vitamin D(2), or 500 IU vitamin D(2) plus 500 IU vitamin D(3) daily for 11 wk at the end of the winter. Results: Sixty percent of the healthy adults were vitamin D deficient at the start of the study. The circulating levels of 25-hydroxyvitamin D (mean +/- sd) increased to the same extent in the groups that received 1000 IU daily as vitamin D(2) (baseline 16.9 +/- 10.5 ng/ml; 11 wk 26.8 +/- 9.6 ng/ml), vitamin D(3) (baseline 19.6 +/- 11.1 ng/ml; 11 wk 28.9 +/- 11.0 ng/ml), or a combination of 500 IU vitamin D(2) and 500 IU vitamin D(3) (baseline 20.2 +/- 10.4 ng/ml; 11 wk 28.4 +/- 7.7 ng/ml). The 25-hydroxyvitamin D(3) levels did not change in the group that received 1000 IU vitamin D(2) daily. The 1000 IU dose of vitamin D(2) or vitamin D(3) did not raise 25-hydroxyvitamin D levels in vitamin D-deficient subjects above 30 ng/ml. Conclusion: A 1000 IU dose of vitamin D(2) daily was as effective as 1000 IU vitamin D(3) in maintaining serum 25-hydroxyvitamin D levels and did not negatively influence serum 25-hydroxyvitamin D(3) levels. Therefore, vitamin D(2) is equally as effective as vitamin D(3) in maintaining 25-hydroxyvitamin D status. > > > > Is anyone using 1000 IU of OTC vitamin D3 daily for vitamin D > repletion? How have your results been? We are trying to decide > between 1000 IU of D3 vs 50000 IU of D2 1x per week. Any > recommendations out there? > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ > ____________ ___ > > Never miss a thing. Make your home page. > > http://www.. com/r/hs > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ ______________ > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Search. http://tools.search./newsearch/category.php?category=shopping > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 Thanks ! How many days per week do you give the 50,000 IU of D2 in patients <10? B- Re: Vitamin D3 We supplement <10 with 50,000 IU x 5-8 wks and recheck levels<30 we rec 1000 IU daily. But check out this latest research. D2 is equal to D3.J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2008 Mar;93(3):677- 81. Epub 2007 Dec 18. LinksVitamin d2 is as effective as vitamin d3 in maintaining circulating concentrations of 25-hydroxyvitamin d.Holick MF, Biancuzzo RM, Chen TC, Klein EK, Young A, Bibuld D, Reitz R, Salameh W, Ameri A, Tannenbaum AD.Boston University School of Medicine, 715 Albany Street, M-1013, Boston, Massachusetts 02118. mfholickbu (DOT) edu.Context: Two reports suggested that vitamin D(2) is less effective than vitamin D(3) in maintaining vitamin D status. Objective: Our objective was to determine whether vitamin D(2) was less effective than vitamin D(3) in maintaining serum 25-hydroxyvitamin D levels or increased the catabolism of 25-hydroxyvitamin D(3). Subjects and Design: This was a randomized, placebo-controlled, double-blinded study of healthy adults ages 18-84 yr who received placebo, 1000 IU vitamin D(3), 1000 IU vitamin D(2), or 500 IU vitamin D(2) plus 500 IU vitamin D(3) daily for 11 wk at the end of the winter. Results: Sixty percent of the healthy adults were vitamin D deficient at the start of the study. The circulating levels of 25-hydroxyvitamin D (mean +/- sd) increased to the same extent in the groups that received 1000 IU daily as vitamin D(2) (baseline 16.9 +/- 10.5 ng/ml; 11 wk 26.8 +/- 9.6 ng/ml), vitamin D(3) (baseline 19.6 +/- 11.1 ng/ml; 11 wk 28.9 +/- 11.0 ng/ml), or a combination of 500 IU vitamin D(2) and 500 IU vitamin D(3) (baseline 20.2 +/- 10.4 ng/ml; 11 wk 28.4 +/- 7.7 ng/ml). The 25-hydroxyvitamin D(3) levels did not change in the group that received 1000 IU vitamin D(2) daily. The 1000 IU dose of vitamin D(2) or vitamin D(3) did not raise 25-hydroxyvitamin D levels in vitamin D-deficient subjects above 30 ng/ml. Conclusion: A 1000 IU dose of vitamin D(2) daily was as effective as 1000 IU vitamin D(3) in maintaining serum 25-hydroxyvitamin D levels and did not negatively influence serum 25-hydroxyvitamin D(3) levels. Therefore, vitamin D(2) is equally as effective as vitamin D(3) in maintaining 25-hydroxyvitamin D status.> >> > Is anyone using 1000 IU of OTC vitamin D3 daily for vitamin D > repletion? How have your results been? We are trying to decide > between 1000 IU of D3 vs 50000 IU of D2 1x per week. Any > recommendations out there?> > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _> ____________ ___> > Never miss a thing. Make your home page. > > http://www.. com/r/hs> >> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _____________ __> Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Search. http://tools. search.. com/newsearch/ category. php?category= shopping> Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 There are many articles...look for Hollis, Hollick and Heaney, they are the D guys, though there are others as well. I do have a list that I can send -- but I am in clinic today so it will have to wait! I am off to give a presentation on Lactation after Surgical Weight Loss this afternoon...busy day! JB --------- Re: Vitamin D3 We don't believe that RNY patients can convert D2 to D3 effectively;thus, we prescribe only dry D3, 50,000 IU weekly to raise levelswhen deficient, then 800-1,000 IU daily--testing to see what keepslevels WNL. Be sure lab is testing 25(OH)D, not 1,25-dihydroxyvitamin D.Steve Huntington, PhD, RD, LD>> Is anyone using 1000 IU of OTC vitamin D3 daily for vitamin D repletion? How have your results been? We are trying to decide between 1000 IU of D3 vs 50000 IU of D2 1x per week. Any recommendations out there?> > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _____________ ___> Never miss a thing. Make your ho me page. > http://www.. com/r/hs> Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 sorry... we do 50,000 IU twice per wk for 5-8 wks. Barb- I just realized it was YOU I was replying to! I have to tell you the article below was from a Longwood Round presentation tip! K > > > > > > Is anyone using 1000 IU of OTC vitamin D3 daily for vitamin D > > repletion? How have your results been? We are trying to decide > > between 1000 IU of D3 vs 50000 IU of D2 1x per week. Any > > recommendations out there? > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ > > ____________ ___ > > > Never miss a thing. Make your home page. > > > http://www.. com/r/hs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ > ____________ __ > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > > Find them fast with Search. > http://tools. search.. com/newsearch/ category. php?category= shopping > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________________________________ _______________ > Never miss a thing. Make your home page. > http://www./r/hs > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 what is a 12 year post op roux en y has now developed osteopenia. 50,0000 units 1 x/mo and 1500 mg calcium daily. is the osteopenia reversible? If taking chromagen and calcium , how do u advise the timing of the dosage? <kboyer@...> wrote: sorry... we do 50,000 IU twice per wk for 5-8 wks.Barb- I just realized it was YOU I was replying to! I have to tell you the article below was from a Longwood Round presentation tip! K> > >> > > Is anyone using 1000 IU of OTC vitamin D3 daily for vitamin D > > repletion? How have your results been? We are trying to decide > > between 1000 IU of D3 vs 50000 IU of D2 1x per week. Any > > recommendations out there?> > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _> > ____________ ___> > > Never miss a thing. Make your home page. > > > http://www.. com/r/hs> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _> ____________ __> > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > > Find them fast with Search. > http://tools. search.. com/newsearch/ category. php?category= shopping> >> > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________> Never miss a thing. Make your home page. > http://www./r/hs>------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2008 Report Share Posted March 15, 2008 FYI: This study involved healthy adults, not RNY patients who malabsorb Vit. D. Ava > > > > > > Is anyone using 1000 IU of OTC vitamin D3 daily for vitamin D > > repletion? How have your results been? We are trying to decide > > between 1000 IU of D3 vs 50000 IU of D2 1x per week. Any > > recommendations out there? > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ > > ____________ ___ > > > Never miss a thing. Make your home page. > > > http://www.. com/r/hs > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________________________________ _ > ______________ > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > > Find them fast with Search. > http://tools.search./newsearch/category.php? category=shopping > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 Vitamin K is important too, and I think doctors/people forget that/aren't aware? http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2000/feb00-report.html Vitamin K regulates calcium Imagine a vitamin that could keep calcium in bones and out of arteries. In so doing, that vitamin could stop heart attack and osteoporosis at the same time. Sound incredible? Maybe, but research shows that vitamin K does exactly that. It works by regulating calcium. Bones need it, arteries can't stand it. Vitamin K accommodates both. Vitamin K works through an amino acid called " Gla, " which stands for gamma-carboxyglutamic acid. Gla is part of a certain kind of protein that controls calcium. Fifteen such proteins have been found so far; and researchers believe there are at least one hundred scattered throughout the body. Vitamin K makes them work and it's the only vitamin that does. Vitamin K performs a feat on the proteins called " carboxylation. " Carboxylation gives the proteins claws so they can hold onto calcium. Once the protein grabs onto calcium it can be moved around. Proteins that don't get enough vitamin K don't have the claws. They're " undercarboxylated " and can't control the mineral. Without a functioning protein to control it, calcium drifts out of bone and into arteries and other soft tissue. The most famous Gla protein is " osteocalcin. " You may have heard of osteocalcin in connection with bone density. What you might not have heard is that it requires vitamin K to work. Undercarboxylated osteocalcin (osteocalcin without vitamin K) can't regulate calcium. When this happens, calcium leaves bone and teeth. Women with " undercarboxylated osteocalcin " excrete calcium, and their bones are porous. Vitamin K reverses this trend. Vitamin D You may be saying, " Wait a minute, I thought vitamin D was the bone vitamin. " You are right. Vitamin D plays several roles in bone. One of them is provoking the osteocalcin gene into action. Once synthesized, however, osteocalcin needs vitamin K to function properly. Vitamin D has dominated discussion on bone because it is a hormone that acts swiftly and dramatically. But the slower-acting vitamin K is just as important. And although it doesn't act as quickly on bone as vitamin D, new research indicates that vitamin K may actually be more of a hormone than currently appreciated. The truth is that although vitamin D has gotten a lot of press as the bone vitamin, bone maintenance requires many factors; among them, parathyroid hormone, estrogen, calcium and calcitonin (another thyroid hormone). When all of these factors plus vitamin K are present in adequate amounts, the skeleton will be totally replaced every 8 to 10 years with good, dense bone. If not, problems occur. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 I am on 50,000 Vit D once a week, here is something on the subject that just fell into my inbox. Mo http://uk.mc242.mail./mc/welcome?.gx=1 & .rand=f3pt2nru134fh#_pg=showMess\ age & pSize=200 & sMid=3 & fid=Inbox & sort=date & order=down & startMid=0 & filterBy= & .rand=7\ 44833708 & midIndex=3 & mid=1_1617782_ALty%2BFcAACUwSiaFrQaDaAe5rgU & m=1_1620315_ALly\ %2BFcAALqMSiaXlAKoiAuNIn4,1_1619609_ALpy%2BFcAAYE4SiaV7gBEs2Lf4hg,1_1618439_ALhy\ %2BFcAAIWaSiaIwAH7wSalkak,1_1617782_ALty%2BFcAACUwSiaFrQaDaAe5rgU,1_1616536_AL5y\ %2BFcAAKqQSiZrGgZTH1QOPpY,1_1615762_ALxy%2BFcAAAxWSiZoKgUUBk%2Fw3tg,1_1615146_AL\ 1y%2BFcAAPXvSiZgewDOrBMGLPU,1_1610765_ALhy%2BFcAAD7qSiX3gw6DOVwWNeA,1_1610080_AL\ ty%2BFcAANFvSiXoXglQcEYaTY0, & hash=6a4ccba6dee07ebea957400a6cd68170 & .jsrand=76458\ 31 > By googling, I found that dogs (for instance) lick their coats to get vit D3 > from action by UV-B rays on the fatty acids excreted by the skin ( lanolin > from sheep etc) having a black skin to protect from the sun's rays. Other > animals having black skin, likewise, unless using sea-food sources of vit > D3. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 > > Gill wrote to me with some information about the dangers of taking excessive > amounts of Vitamin D3 which I passed on to Bob for his comments. Bob has > passed on the following information to me which I feel everybody should see > - so I have copied it here because there is a lot of discussion about > Vitamin D lately. > > > > Luv - Sheila > > > > _________________________ > > > > > Hi Sheila > > > > I've been wondering about the vit D3 / D2 as well. > > > > > > That was before they'd discovered the TRPM7 connection to magnesium > absorbtion/mobility in the body (Belgian work). > > > > Low magnesium ( and/or potassium ) can cause long Q-T gap, a risk factor for > cardiac arrhythmia. > > > > There does seem to be a connection between Vit D3 (and other active D vit > components) and TRPM7 but I can't be sure of the exact connection (yet) and > calcium/magnesium balance. > > Hi Bob, when I had my 'atrial fibrillation' about 10 days ago now, I had just taken a dose of 5,000iu of vitamin D3, about an hour or so previously. I also took B12 at the same time and also omega 3. If there is a known connection between arrythmia and vitamin D this could well be the reason, or at least a part of the reason as I've been experimenting so much lately. They said at the hospital that if the blood forms a clot it can go to the heart or brain and can kill, but the arrythmia is harmless in itself. I have been a bit 'wobbly' since but have been able to get on and do things all the same, and I don't believe that there is such a lot wrong with me. Love Janet ps - (I have written to both Dr Lowe and Dr Peatfield (his phone was just too busy!) about the problem I have had with my heart, and they have not replied as yet, and I will post it here as suggested when I have heard from them. I am away now, off to Abu Dhabi for a couple of weeks, and will be in touch on my return. Thank you all for your support and hopefully I'll be back safe and sound soon!!) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > L & BW Bob > > more ideas brewing in my brain... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 Hi all - these are the links I sent to Sheila - I was brainstorming what I was doing differently as ive felt very tired and looked into vitamin D as Ive been taking D3 for a couple of weeks. Im aware of the risks of low vit D and the impact on infant mortality and maternal health etc and many of us are going to be low particularly in the north of the UK and in winter - but Im concerned that if we dont need it it can be dangerous - which Id not realised so thought I would share the links - there are lots more online. Gill From British National Formulary: Side-effects symptoms of overdosage include anorexia, lassitude, nausea and vomiting, diarrhoea, constipation, weight loss, polyuria, sweating, headache, thirst, vertigo, and raised concentrations of calcium and phosphate in plasma and urine http://health./nutrition-supplements/cholecalciferol-vitamin-d3/healthwise--d03129a1.html http://www.vitamins-supplements.org/vitamin-D.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 I think before starting VitD3 we should start with a blood test to see if it if needed, then treatment as per Blumens Endo in Hawaii is 6 weeks at 50,000iu then - re-do blood tests and reassess. I dont think anyone should just take high dose VitD3 without bloods. I personally take 50,000iu each week and it has taken well over 9 months to raise the level from 63 to 120 (50-300) . Blood due this month and I am aiming for mid range. I will then do maintenance dosing only. F > Gill wrote to me with some information about the dangers of taking excessive > amounts of Vitamin D3 which I passed on to Bob for his comments. Bob has > passed on the following information to me which I feel everybody should see > - so I have copied it here because there is a lot of discussion about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2009 Report Share Posted June 3, 2009 Hi Mo, this is what comes up when clicking on the link Your account is no longer active. F > > Mo > > http://uk.mc242.mail./mc/welcome?.gx=1 & .rand=f3pt2nru134fh#_pg=showMess\ age & pSize=200 & sMid=3 & fid=Inbox & sort=date & order=down & startMid=0 & filterBy= & .rand=7\ 44833708 & midIndex=3 & mid=1_1617782_ALty%2BFcAACUwSiaFrQaDaAe5rgU & m=1_1620315_ALly\ %2BFcAALqMSiaXlAKoiAuNIn4,1_1619609_ALpy%2BFcAAYE4SiaV7gBEs2Lf4hg,1_1618439_ALhy\ %2BFcAAIWaSiaIwAH7wSalkak,1_1617782_ALty%2BFcAACUwSiaFrQaDaAe5rgU,1_1616536_AL5y\ %2BFcAAKqQSiZrGgZTH1QOPpY,1_1615762_ALxy%2BFcAAAxWSiZoKgUUBk%2Fw3tg,1_1615146_AL\ 1y%2BFcAAPXvSiZgewDOrBMGLPU,1_1610765_ALhy%2BFcAAD7qSiX3gw6DOVwWNeA,1_1610080_AL\ ty%2BFcAANFvSiXoXglQcEYaTY0, & hash=6a4ccba6dee07ebea957400a6cd68170 & .jsrand=76458\ 31 > > > > > > By googling, I found that dogs (for instance) lick their coats to get vit D3 > > from action by UV-B rays on the fatty acids excreted by the skin ( lanolin > > from sheep etc) having a black skin to protect from the sun's rays. Other > > animals having black skin, likewise, unless using sea-food sources of vit > > D3. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2009 Report Share Posted June 4, 2009 Oh I should say I was tested before starting on this dose. Marie Bishop posted an interesting link to somewhere like the Vitamin D Council or some such name who do blood spot testing very cheaply as long as the patient agrees to the results being included in their ongoing collection of statistics on levels. That was about three months ago I reckon. My GP will test for NOTHING except he is rather fond of TSH's so it was far less stressful to simply send off for this online than go through the almightly hassle of another visit with Himself! Last time he reduced me to tears and that was December, I am in no hurry to repeat that experience I can you you! Mo > > I am on 50,000 Vit D once a week, here is something on the subject that just fell into my inbox. > > Mo > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2009 Report Share Posted June 4, 2009 Oh sorry about this. What caught my attention was Bob mentioning about the black skin of the sheep. In the link it said something about black people being more susceptible to Vit D deficiency. Apparently the stats bear this out but because of a kind of political correctness, the info is not getting out... It has been mistaken for racism. Sorry again about the link, I would never find it again now.... The old brain has improved hugely but still has a way to go. More a case of not being computer savvy I reckon. I believe there is a book called something like Computers for Dummies? Any recommendations folks? Ta. Mo > > Hi Mo, this is what comes up when clicking on the link > Your account is no longer active. > > F > > > > Mo > > > > http://uk.mc242.mail./mc/welcome?.gx=1 & .rand=f3pt2nru134fh#_pg=showMess\ age & pSize=200 & sMid=3 & fid=Inbox & sort=date & order=down & startMid=0 & filterBy= & .rand=7\ 44833708 & midIndex=3 & mid=1_1617782_ALty%2BFcAACUwSiaFrQaDaAe5rgU & m=1_1620315_ALly\ %2BFcAALqMSiaXlAKoiAuNIn4,1_1619609_ALpy%2BFcAAYE4SiaV7gBEs2Lf4hg,1_1618439_ALhy\ %2BFcAAIWaSiaIwAH7wSalkak,1_1617782_ALty%2BFcAACUwSiaFrQaDaAe5rgU,1_1616536_AL5y\ %2BFcAAKqQSiZrGgZTH1QOPpY,1_1615762_ALxy%2BFcAAAxWSiZoKgUUBk%2Fw3tg,1_1615146_AL\ 1y%2BFcAAPXvSiZgewDOrBMGLPU,1_1610765_ALhy%2BFcAAD7qSiX3gw6DOVwWNeA,1_1610080_AL\ ty%2BFcAANFvSiXoXglQcEYaTY0, & hash=6a4ccba6dee07ebea957400a6cd68170 & .jsrand=76458\ 31 > > > > > > > > > > > By googling, I found that dogs (for instance) lick their coats to get vit D3 > > > from action by UV-B rays on the fatty acids excreted by the skin ( lanolin > > > from sheep etc) having a black skin to protect from the sun's rays. Other > > > animals having black skin, likewise, unless using sea-food sources of vit > > > D3. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2009 Report Share Posted September 6, 2009 > d3 can be made three ways > irradiated lanolin > derived from fish liver oil, this makes it better than the irradiated > kind but is not the same in food because it has been isolated and is missing > all the cofacters that are found with it when you eat the food > the third kind is whole food d3 this is the best kind contains all the > cofacters with it it is just like what you get when you eat food with d3 in > food d3 is not just one molecule but a number of molecules you get all of > these molecules when you get the whole food d3 > > All synthetic vitamins are the same no matter who you buy them from > they all come from the same places > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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