Re: Digest Number 211

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there she goes again..ur sick MicHELLe..You r the one provoking now

DarlingDemoniac@... wrote:

> From: DarlingDemoniac@...

>

> In a message dated 12/20/99 11:31:21 AM Pacific Standard Time,

> mattyoshea@... writes:

>

> <<

> Loving kindness to and for all,

> that is my holiday wish!

>

> Matty >>

> Hey, my band just did a successful toy drive, I would say we are in the

> holiday spirit....so poo on all you mean old jesus freaks.

>

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micHELLe

i am far from closed minded also i am alot older than u..u have shown no respect

for

others.yes ur information is great here but ur attitude sucks the big

one..please please

dont compare urself to these famous people

MERRY CHRISTmas

DarlingDemoniac@... wrote:

> From: DarlingDemoniac@...

>

> In a message dated 12/20/99 1:11:06 PM Pacific Standard Time,

> bayla@... writes:

>

> << there she goes again..ur sick MicHELLe..You r the one provoking now >>

> Not at all, I was just illustrating that I am not a grinch:)

> Sick? Sick is relative...they told Einstein he was sick...and Darwin.....and

> Picasso.....Beethoven...close minded people are frightened by that which is

> different....

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In a message dated 12/20/99 11:31:21 AM Pacific Standard Time,

mattyoshea@... writes:

<<

Loving kindness to and for all,

that is my holiday wish!

Matty >>

Hey, my band just did a successful toy drive, I would say we are in the

holiday spirit....so poo on all you mean old jesus freaks.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/20/99 1:11:06 PM Pacific Standard Time,

bayla@... writes:

<< there she goes again..ur sick MicHELLe..You r the one provoking now >>

Not at all, I was just illustrating that I am not a grinch:)

Sick? Sick is relative...they told Einstein he was sick...and Darwin.....and

Picasso.....Beethoven...close minded people are frightened by that which is

different....

[Guest guest]

Loving kindness to and for all,

that is my holiday wish!

Matty

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In a message dated 12/20/99 4:49:27 PM Eastern Standard Time,

bayla@... writes:

<< From: saint_samantha <bayla@...>

micHELLe

i am far from closed minded also i am alot older than u..u have shown no

respect for

others.yes ur information is great here but ur attitude sucks the big

one..please please

dont compare urself to these famous people

MERRY CHRISTmas >>

How can I and why should I respect someone who can't spell or use proper

grammer....you are obviously lacking in either eductaion or intellect. I

respect others who DESERVE respect. Why should I not compare myself to these

famous people.....I am a card carrying mensa member..... I have the

intelligence....and I am also somewhat high profile in my circles....I'm

known internationally actually because of some magazine articles and get fan

mail from all over the world. I hardly think your opinion is valid. My

bassist and I brought 400 dollars worth of toys to some poor kids today, we

put together a benefit just to do this. It was worth it to see the smiles on

their faces. I don't need a church to do that, and I don't see any sort of

bad attitude in my actions outside of your narrow perception of me from an

internet list. You should learn to be more open minded. Have a Merry Xmas

anyway, I know I will!

MicHELLe

[Guest guest]

Hello all,

I'm new to the list and would like for my experience here to be an

informative one. So far it seems as if I stepped into a " meow " fight.

I thought we were here to share information and heal ourselves from whatever

ails us. I don't know what the situation is, but I know " Santa " will take

care of those who are nice and who aren't : ) Our opinions is just that our

opinions and doesn't necessarily reflect the views of the station. One point

is clear, we are trying to eliminate the stress in our lives by becoming

healthier individuals and can't do it if we decide to bicker amongst

ourselves. Since being on the interent, I've realize that words cut more on

a screen than in face to face conversation due to lack of facial expression,

which does not mean that we should forget that there is a person behind the

words. We should all try to remember if we are " nice " face to face than

it is that personality that will shine through out here.

Have a great day all!

Latoya

[Guest guest]

Dear Latoya,

Very well put. I much appreciate your comments. Cheerfully, Myra

Re: Digest Number 211

From: Latoya13@...

Hello all,

I'm new to the list and would like for my experience here to be an

informative one. So far it seems as if I stepped into a " meow " fight..

I thought we were here to share information and heal ourselves from

whatever

ails us. I don't know what the situation is, but I know " Santa " will take

care of those who are nice and who aren't : ) Our opinions is just that

our

opinions and doesn't necessarily reflect the views of the station. One

point

is clear, we are trying to eliminate the stress in our lives by becoming

healthier individuals and can't do it if we decide to bicker amongst

ourselves. Since being on the interent, I've realize that words cut more on

a screen than in face to face conversation due to lack of facial expression,

which does not mean that we should forget that there is a person behind the

words. We should all try to remember if we are " nice " face to face than

it is that personality that will shine through out here..

Have a great day all!

Latoya

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Pardon me, I do make typeographgical errors from time to time since I am

often in ahurry....this is different than pure ignorance...

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 12/22/99 5:15:05 AM Pacific Standard Time,

bayla@... writes:

<< NO self worth...MicHELLe...take a hint and get lost ...like leave the

list...ur not

liked or needed...i rite this way cuz i can...i live to enjoy life ...and to

piss people

off like u >>

Do you think I care? No, you write this way because you don't know any

better, which is the same reason you are a christian.

[Guest guest]

MicHeLLe wrote:

> How can I and why should I respect someone who can't spell or use proper

> grammer....you are obviously lacking in either eductaion or intellect.

Maybe you better check the dictionary on how to spell " grammer " !! What in

the world is " eductaion " ? Please quit highlighting everyone's spelling

mistakes because you are not so perfect yourself.

This list can do without MicHeLLe because what she can contribute is

overshadowed by the attitude she brings with it.

Just my humble opinion,

Anne

Merry CHRISTmas!

[Guest guest]

Ann....thanx mabee MicHELLe will listen to u and leave..she is nasty always

trying to make

herself out to be better than anyone else...unfortunately one who does this

suffers from

NO self worth...MicHELLe...take a hint and get lost ...like leave the

list...ur not

liked or needed...i rite this way cuz i can...i live to enjoy life ...and to

piss people

off like u

Baird wrote:

> From: " Baird " <mbaird@...>

>

> MicHeLLe wrote:

>

> > How can I and why should I respect someone who can't spell or use proper

> > grammer....you are obviously lacking in either eductaion or intellect.

>

> Maybe you better check the dictionary on how to spell " grammer " !! What in

> the world is " eductaion " ? Please quit highlighting everyone's spelling

> mistakes because you are not so perfect yourself.

>

> This list can do without MicHeLLe because what she can contribute is

> overshadowed by the attitude she brings with it.

>

> Just my humble opinion,

> Anne

>

> Merry CHRISTmas!

>

> > Send blank message to candidiasis-unsubscribeonelist if you want to

UNSUBSCRIBE !

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/4/00 4:49:38 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

egroups writes:

<< lmao thanks and see ya

soon.......x0x0xleah

>>

See me soon? Now both of you are sick.......hehe....guess you'll be here

when big brother arrives.....hahahah

[Guest guest]

Hi All,

My 11 year old daughter has H Piroli. She had a blood test done two weeks

ago.

The dr. wants to do a heavy antibiotic therapy on her. I went to the health

food store first to see what options for therapy there are. Tried some stuff

that tasted like black licorice and bile mixed. She cant handle chewing it.

ANY suggestions welcome.

Thanks Judy

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 7/10/00 11:42:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

egroups writes:

<<

I have posted afew questions about glutathione, as Dr.

Shaw is the one who recommended that we supplement

with that, but after your response, we didn't follow

through.

Can you tell me why? (I was also told by Shaw to use

this )

As the earlier post questioned, is there a connection

between mercury and this whole casein thing??? >>

>

> Would really like some info. on this also. Many

> thanks, Carole

>>

I am the one who posted this question as Dr. Shaw had recommended to me that

we use glutathion with our 8 year old son who had the OAT done also. He was

high in citric acid and I had just joined this group and read where merc.

also affects the glutathione level. I was very interested in this a wondered

what the connection was. Andy Cutler responded, saying that while it helped

some people, it could also not be beneficial as mercury uses it, so you could

also make the situation worse. I am not sure when Andy responded--he gave a

rather detailed explanation. At any rate, we did not use it as a supplement,

and we just began chelating today.

Do a search for glutathione and it should appear sometime after June 8th,

that's when I spoke with Dr. Shaw. It was a little while after that, because

I actually bought the glutathione first, then hesitated. We may at some

point use it, but Andy's response made me feel uneasy. I don't mind trying

new helpful things, but this was iffy and I wasn't about to take any chances.

It does make me think that somehow this is all connected. We started this by

going on the gfcf diet, now here I am looking into mercury toxicity! I have

recently read where not only is glutathione connect the two, but also,mercury

inhibits the production of an enzyme that is important with the whole casein

issue.

Our son, we found through Great Plains, is highly allergic to milk, yogurt,

and cheese. Hope this helps! Robbin

[Guest guest]

We had tried Uva Ursi for some bacteria that showed in my

son's stool analysis 6 m ago. He was not doing well on it but

when we retested those bacteria were not find in the stool - so

may be it helped after all.

Please let me know if you find smth that works for her,

Thank you,

Vera

> Hi All,

> My 11 year old daughter has H Piroli. She had a blood test done

two

weeks

> ago.

> The dr. wants to do a heavy antibiotic therapy on her. I went to

the health

> food store first to see what options for therapy there are. Tried

some stuff

> that tasted like black licorice and bile mixed. She cant handle

chewing it.

> ANY suggestions welcome.

> Thanks Judy

[Guest guest]

Have her drink over 8 glasses of water a day. That is really more of a cure

than you think

Kathy

Re: [ ] Digest Number 211

>Hi All,

>My 11 year old daughter has H Piroli. She had a blood test done two weeks

>ago.

>The dr. wants to do a heavy antibiotic therapy on her. I went to the

health

>food store first to see what options for therapy there are. Tried some

stuff

>that tasted like black licorice and bile mixed. She cant handle chewing

it.

>ANY suggestions welcome.

>Thanks Judy

>

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[Guest guest]

My daughter needs to do a run of the UVA URSI can you tell me which one you

used, liquid, cap. and how long. Thank Joan

[ ] Re: Digest Number 211

>We had tried Uva Ursi for some bacteria that showed in my

>son's stool analysis 6 m ago. He was not doing well on it but

>when we retested those bacteria were not find in the stool - so

>may be it helped after all.

>

>Please let me know if you find smth that works for her,

>

>Thank you,

>Vera

>

>

>

>> Hi All,

>> My 11 year old daughter has H Piroli. She had a blood test done

>two

>weeks

>> ago.

>> The dr. wants to do a heavy antibiotic therapy on her. I went to

>the health

>> food store first to see what options for therapy there are. Tried

>some stuff

>> that tasted like black licorice and bile mixed. She cant handle

>chewing it.

>> ANY suggestions welcome.

>> Thanks Judy

>

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[Guest guest]

We used Solaray capsules - sorry, I forgot the dosage.

We used it for a week. Your really should be careful with this one

I think it is hard on the liver.

Vera

-

> >> Hi All,

> >> My 11 year old daughter has H Piroli. She had a blood test done

> >two

> >weeks

> >> ago.

> >> The dr. wants to do a heavy antibiotic therapy on her. I went to

> >the health

> >> food store first to see what options for therapy there are. Tried

> >some stuff

> >> that tasted like black licorice and bile mixed. She cant handle

> >chewing it.

> >> ANY suggestions welcome.

> >> Thanks Judy

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

Thanks Patty. My doctor is Carl Price. He even gives out his email address so you can email any questions you have before your surgery. I emailed him about 5 times & he always emailed me back the same day!! He was very understanding and explained everything. He does not happen to agree the silicone/saline can make you sick, but he was very respectful of my beliefs & never contradicted me or tried to argue with me. He took my implants out 'en bloc' and told my husband that everything looked fine. As I said, the only leakage was some antibiotic fluid (I had no clue they bothered to inject antiobiotics inside implants) and there was no weird growths. Do any of you know whether you had antibiotics injected into your implants when they were implanted? Mine were in my chest when they were injected. I guess I got a pretty good doctor putting them in, too - considering. We are getting the implants when I go for my checkup next week.

At this point, I don't care who I have to fight with to get the word out. I've emailed Oprah for a show idea on implants - I told her there are many of us on support lists who have problem after problem with the things. Hopefully, they'll do some research & we'll see a show on women having problems directly caused by the implants. Remember her 'beef'?????? She knows how to get on the bandwagon....... If any of the rest of you want to email her, go to

http://www.oprah.com and follow the links to suggest show ideas, etc.

I even asked about makeover help. I mean, I've had DD boobs for 14 years, and now here I am 46 with little B's, gray roots, and can't figure out what to wear when I look like a pear (I think my waist is bigger than my boobs now, LOLOLOL). Let's see if we can get a few of us on there for makeovers - for our mental health!

I took NO pain meds yesterday except tylenol for my throat (the tube they use during surgery always bothers my throat). I forget I even had surgery. My arms don't hurt -- that is amazing to me! I was so used to my arms hurting that I just figured they'd always hurt. But, they don't & I feel SO wonderful about that 'little' thing. I feel better mentally just knowing the things are out. I feel free, giggle. Now, if I could just get a tummy tuck........ NO WAY - no more cosmetic surgery for me!!

Anyway, if any of you have the health channel, they sometimes show cosmetic surgeries, including breast implant & explantation! The one I saw was a women who'd had several implants after a masectomy. She had problems with every one. So, they removed the implant (nothing growing, etc.) and used fat from her tummy to remake her breast. Looked very painful & she was in the hospital for a time. They called it a " flap. "

I'm feeling super, so I'm blabbering. Back to my cookies (gee, if I stopped the cookies maybe I wouldn't need that tummy tuck, snicker).

hugs to all,

peg

________________________________________________________________________

________________________________________________________________________

Message: 13

Date: Tue, 30 Jan 2001 17:45:15 -0800

From: " Patty " <faussettdp@...>

Subject: Re: explantation done yesterday!

Congratulations on your explantation, Peg! Please tell me again, who did

your surgery?

Interesting that you didn't have the drains, as I did not either.

Please keep us posted on your recovery....I think I speak for all the ladies

(and gents...yes, we do have some male members...) when I say, thank you for

sharing your experiences with us and letting us know what you are going

through, as we all need each other as we go through our individual

nightmares, and look to each other for support and validation. We will be

anxious to hear how your healing goes and praying for a wonderful recovery.

I am so glad to hear that you are of a good frame of mind about the whole

thing, too! There is no doubt that this is a very troubling and mentally

exhausting ordeal, and you seem to be coming through with flying colors. I

am proud of you! Stay strong!

Hugs,

Patty

----- Original Message -----

From: Peggy Allgauer-Eckl <allgauer-eckl@...>

< >

Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 12:47 PM

Subject: explantation done yesterday!

> Hello all:

>

> Had my explantation w/donut mastopexy yesterday morning. It is a WONDERFUL

> feeling to be without those pendulous bags of toxic substance hanging off

my

> body. I feel TERRIFIC. My arms don't burn anymore. Any the burning I feel

in

> my breasts is a direct result of the surgery incision - not the same type

of

> burning I had before. This is wonderful. I'm also a bit larger than I

> thought I'd be.

>

> Anyway, I haven't had any pain medicine other than 1 percogesic (OTC

tylenol

> type drug for " enhanced relief of pain " ) last night when I went to bed. My

> surgery only lasted 2.5 hours. They did try to give me 1/2 of a darvocet,

> but I threw that up. So, they agreed that I could take a couple/three

> tylenol if I wanted or the percogesic. I always have to tell these

> doctors/nurses that I cannot take strong pain meds - I'd rather be a

little

> sore from the surgery than be sick and running back & forth to the toilet

to

> throw up. Needless to say, the act of throwing up just causes more pain.

So,

> I'm fine today. I could probably go back to work tomorrow, but I'm not

going

> to. I'm going to take a week & go back next Monday.

>

> I don't have any drains either. Just some steri-strips and a couple pads

> under a nylon bra. I have no idea what size I am at this point - but I'm

> excited to go bra shopping since I don't have to buy the kind with the

> padded straps - the big, ugly, bras. In 6 weeks I can wear an underwire --

> not that I will run out & buy one, but it's nice to know I can if I want.

I

> know I'm going to go out & buy something with just 1 or 2 hooks (I always

> had 4 hooks with my implants)!!!

>

> My doc said the antibiotic 'pocket' from one implant had ruptured, but

that

> it would not cause any problems. He took them out intact & otherwise, they

> looked fine other than being encapsulated. He asked my husband what he

> wanted them to do with the implants when they come back from pathology and

> he said, LOL, he wanted them. He told the doc it was a standing joke that

we

> would mount them & ship them off to my ex. I can't believe he actually

told

> the doc that. I said we'd just toss them. UGH......

>

> Anyway, if anyone is thinking about having their implants removed, but are

a

> bit nervous about the surgery - don't be. Go for it. I'll never regret

> having mine removed.

>

> Also, on a happy note, it didn't cost as much as we thought and I managed

to

> get $1,000 from the MDL settlement suit. If I'd sent my manufacturer

> information to them a couple years ago, it would have been $5,000. Next,

I'm

> going to see if there's some way I can get my insurance company to cover

> some of the surgery. Now that I've got those things out, I feel strong

> enough to tackle anything!!!!

>

> Prayers to all,

> peg

> springfield mo

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Great idea about a makeover on Oprah....I think she has been deluged with letters before, when she had a show singing the praises of implants. So, clearly, she needs to continue to be deluged with letters from those of us who didn't have such a great outcome!

I wonder what I would look like in an Oprah makeover???? I need some ideas for my swim suit......

Patty

----- Original Message -----

From: Peggy Allgauer-Eckl

Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 7:22 AM

Subject: Re: Digest Number 211

Thanks Patty. My doctor is Carl Price. He even gives out his email address so you can email any questions you have before your surgery. I emailed him about 5 times & he always emailed me back the same day!! He was very understanding and explained everything. He does not happen to agree the silicone/saline can make you sick, but he was very respectful of my beliefs & never contradicted me or tried to argue with me. He took my implants out 'en bloc' and told my husband that everything looked fine. As I said, the only leakage was some antibiotic fluid (I had no clue they bothered to inject antiobiotics inside implants) and there was no weird growths. Do any of you know whether you had antibiotics injected into your implants when they were implanted? Mine were in my chest when they were injected. I guess I got a pretty good doctor putting them in, too - considering. We are getting the implants when I go for my checkup next week.At this point, I don't care who I have to fight with to get the word out. I've emailed Oprah for a show idea on implants - I told her there are many of us on support lists who have problem after problem with the things. Hopefully, they'll do some research & we'll see a show on women having problems directly caused by the implants. Remember her 'beef'?????? She knows how to get on the bandwagon....... If any of the rest of you want to email her, go tohttp://www.oprah.com and follow the links to suggest show ideas, etc.I even asked about makeover help. I mean, I've had DD boobs for 14 years, and now here I am 46 with little B's, gray roots, and can't figure out what to wear when I look like a pear (I think my waist is bigger than my boobs now, LOLOLOL). Let's see if we can get a few of us on there for makeovers - for our mental health!I took NO pain meds yesterday except tylenol for my throat (the tube they use during surgery always bothers my throat). I forget I even had surgery. My arms don't hurt -- that is amazing to me! I was so used to my arms hurting that I just figured they'd always hurt. But, they don't & I feel SO wonderful about that 'little' thing. I feel better mentally just knowing the things are out. I feel free, giggle. Now, if I could just get a tummy tuck........ NO WAY - no more cosmetic surgery for me!! Anyway, if any of you have the health channel, they sometimes show cosmetic surgeries, including breast implant & explantation! The one I saw was a women who'd had several implants after a masectomy. She had problems with every one. So, they removed the implant (nothing growing, etc.) and used fat from her tummy to remake her breast. Looked very painful & she was in the hospital for a time. They called it a "flap."I'm feeling super, so I'm blabbering. Back to my cookies (gee, if I stopped the cookies maybe I wouldn't need that tummy tuck, snicker).hugs to all,peg________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Hello everyone! I apologize for not being around lately, but we have

completed our move and still are trying to get things organized.

had his first day at handicapped preschool. It was terrible to say the

least! First, I want to say that at this point no one has confirmed that

has apraxia, they did not give me any kind of diagnosis, just that he is

delayed and needs speech therapy in a preschool setting, he is 3.4 years old.

Everything that I have read about apraxia seems to fit him, however. His

preschool program is 2.5 hours long which is fine. I don't quite understand

the big push they give you to put your child on the bus. I mean I am a stay

at home Mom and we are less than 5 minutes from the school. Add to all of

this the fact that has never been with anyone but his family. So there

are some major separation issues. I just cannot see my son getting on a bus

with strangers and me standing there waving bye, seems a bit traumatic to me

for a 3 year old who is definitely not used to this and very slow to warm up.

Anyway, I took him on the first day and took him to the classroom, he

screamed and cried and clung to me and would not get up off the floor. I

remained there but did not give him any indication that we would be leaving

because of his behavior. I was waiting for him to warm up, calm down and

give me some clue that he felt even the slightest bit comfortable. The

teacher had called the head of the Child Study Team down who told me in no

uncertain terms that I could not do this everyday, it is against their

policy. I tried explaining to her that yes I realize this but I cannot leave

my son like that because of the abandonment issues involved. I was told that

he would be fine after the first few days. And as nurse and a mother of 2

older children, I know the routine. It is the same thing everyday, they may

quiet down 10 minutes after you leave, but it is the same scene the next day.

Finally he did give me a clue that he was warming up, I encouraged him to go

with his " friends " in line to go out to play and he did without clinging or

having me hold his hand. Now I was trapped in the classroom and at first he

was screaming, but thanks to the assistant teacher, she carried him around

showing him different things on the walls and got him to laugh. When the

teacher came back she said he is happy and laughing and now he will see you

and it will start all over again, to which I replied well how I am going to

get out?! Needless to say the assistant took him around the corner while I

rushed out the door. When I came back to pick him up, again the head of the

Child Study Team was there telling me that from this point on I must leave

him at the outside door with the teachers and not take him to the classroom.

Maybe it is me but I do not understand their lack of understanding! That

night did not sleep well at all, he kept waking up, sitting up and

looking around and at one point woke up screaming. And this is supposed to

not have an effect???? He has a very bad blister on his left ankle and I

could not put shoes on him the first day, this was another issue as they like

to take the children outside, so he has not been back since last Thursday as

I am still treating the blister and taking him to the dermatologist. It is

frustrating for me as I feel I was talked down to and I do not have a lot of

options here. Has anyone gone through a similar experience? Any advice?

Thank you for letting me vent.

Frustrated and disappointed in town, NJ

Donna

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[Guest guest]

Raf,

The green card in AA is the "Just For Today". If you don't have it there, I would be happy to mail one to you. Let me know ok.

Vicky

[Guest guest]

Hey Vicky, I think your green card is our white card. We give it to the new members and we put also some telephone numbers on it. But I would be happy if you mail your green one. If it isn't the same I wil mail you the white.

Could I ask you for mailing it to my personal e-adress

Rafc@...

Thanks and many greetings

Raf

[Guest guest]

Thx Vicky, and indeed it is the same as our white one...

Greetings

Raf

Re: [ ] Digest Number 211

Raf, The green card in AA is the "Just For Today". If you don't have it there, I would be happy to mail one to you. Let me know ok. Vicky