Re: Magnesium and seizures

[Guest guest]

Hi Zoe,

Great article, I have been preaching to docs the very same fact regarding the

magnesium serum levels and the " traces only " reading. Of course their

interpretation is that " is not there because the body does not need it " . A

point of interest. Depending on what salt of magnesium you are taking ,it is

absorbed by different parts of the cell. Of course we do not know which part

of the neuronal cell needs to be fed in order to influence the epilepsy

episodes but one interesting theory is to make sure one takes a complete

combination of as many chelated magnesium forms as possible such as ororate,

glycinate, citrate, glycinate, among others, I am searching for a brand with

the most salts in it and I'll post it as I find it. The second point is the

issue of frequency. Most people will tell you that taking minerals once a day

is fine and it is. In the case of magnesium and epilepsy we need to be more

careful, though. I suspect that maintaining as close as possible a constant

supply of available magnesium thoroughout the day is important and I give my

son a magnesium blend six times a day. Thirdly, do not forget to assure

enough dietary or supplemental calcium and B6 in as many as six times a day

or three " time release " takes.

Warm regards

FCR

Zll51@... wrote:

> This article is from Dr. Saul's web site. If you aren't familiar with

> him, you may want to be. Much good info there.

>

> http://doctoryourself.com/index.html

>

>

> Epilepsy

>

> Epilepsy

> Home " If in doubt, try nutrition first. "

> ( J. , PhD, in Nutrition Against Disease)

> and her fiancé wanted to have children as soon as they

> were married. had just been diagnosed with epilepsy, however,

> and was offered Phenobarbital as therapy. She and read up on

> the drug, and now knew, as did their doctor, that pregnancy while

> taking a barbiturate was not ideal.

> " So we want to look into other options, " said to me in the

> office. " Could vitamins replace the drug? "

> " I'm not sure, " I said. " My mother has been medicated for grand mal

> epilepsy for over 50 years now and it's a really long shot to think

> that a nutrient could be enough. Still, , you have the

> advantage of being young. There is evidence that epilepsy in

> teenagers can be connected with magnesium deficiency. You've had

> blood tests done? "

> " Oh, yes, " she said. " Tons of them, and here's the latest. "

> She handed me a copy. No one had even looked for serum magnesium.

> " O.K. then, " I said. " Ask your doctor to check your blood magnesium

> levels, and let me know what they find. "

> So they did check. 's serum magnesium levels were so low as to

> be actually unmeasurable.

> " The doctor was a bit surprised at that, " said next time we

> talked. " So now what? "

> " Let's try a large quantity of magnesium, starting with a supplement

> of 800 milligrams a day. That's just over twice the RDA, so it is

> not unreasonable. Then you can gradually work up from there if need

> be. You'll know if you are taking too much: the biggest side effect

> of too much magnesium is diarrhea. You've heard of milk of

> magnesia? "

> " The laxative, sure. "

> " That is a magnesium preparation. Your supplement will be better

> absorbed, though. Especially if you take the right form, take it

> often, and really need it. Then your body will soak it up like a

> sponge. Try magnesium citrate, or magnesium gluconate. Divide your

> daily intake over four or more doses, at least. Then let's see what

> we get. "

> A few weeks later, we met again. had new bloodwork results in

> hand. Her magnesium level was just barely measurable... and she was

> taking 1,200 mg a day.

> " Wow! Where's it all going? " asked. " I've had no loose

> bowels at all. "

> " Your body is evidently using it. This suggests a real, long-

> standing deficiency on your part. Of course, nearly 99% of young

> women do not even get the US RDA of magnesium. But this is beyond

> that. You have a special need for this mineral. The tests confirm

> that. "

> " But wouldn't the blood levels go up more than that little bit? "

> said.

> " You'd think so, but not necessarily. You are more than your blood,

> important though blood certainly is. Serum tests fail to indicate

> how much of this or that is actually inside your body's cells. There

> are, after all, some 40 trillion of them. Magnesium is involved in

> over 2,000 chemical reactions throughout your body. It is needed

> everywhere and always. Oddly enough, the cells can be critically low

> in magnesium and some of the mineral will often still show up in the

> serum. In your case, it's more the other way around. Now that you

> are supplementing with magnesium, your cells must be getting it, and

> there's not much left in the blood that transports it. There are a

> lot of tanker trucks on your highways, but they're empty. The cargo

> is delivered and now the fuel is in every home. "

> " So it looks like I need more magnesium than most people, " said

> . " Well, if I do take lots of it, will I need less of the

> drug? "

> " That's the idea. Do you want to run it by your doctor? You could

> ask him if he'd consider try gradually decreasing your dose of

> Phenobarbital down to the minimum that keeps you symptom free. "

> She did, and he did. ended up on the lowest possible dose of

> the drug and a very high maintenance dose of magnesium. This was not

> an landslide victory for nutrition, but it points to a greater good:

> an optimally-nourished body may need very little medication. What

> are the long-term consequences of millions of Americans taking less

> of each of their many drugs? Healthier people, greater safety and

> greater savings. Only the pharmaceutical companies could possibly

> object.

> And they do, of course. The US Food and Drug Administration shares

> the industry's concern that it might lose its therapeutic monopoly.

> Here is a direct quote from FDA Deputy Commissioner for Policy

> , at the Drug Information Association Annual Meeting, July 12,

> 1993:

> " Pay careful attention to what is happening with dietary supplements

> in the legislative arena... If these efforts are successful, there

> could be created a class of products to compete with approved

> drugs. The establishment of a separate regulatory category for

> supplements could undercut exclusivity rights enjoyed by the holders

> of approved drug applications. "

> And a quote from the FDA Dietary Task Force Report, released June

> 15, 1993:

> " The task force considered many issues in its deliberations

> including to ensure that the existence of dietary supplements on the

> market does not act as a disincentive for drug development. "

> When is the last time you saw a calendar, pen, ad or prescription

> pad in your doctor's hand that said " Magnesium " on it?

> Keep looking. It will be in some quack's office, no doubt.

> Or not. L.B. Barnett, MD was onto this some 40 years ago. He

> wrote " Clinical Studies of Magnesium Deficiency in Epilepsy, "

> published in Clinical Physiology 1(2) Fall, 1959. But who cares

> about old papers? Our society prefers new lamps for old. New drugs

> invariably preempt old minerals. Too bad, when the old lamp or the

> old research may hold the genie.

>

> Copyright C 1999 and prior years W. Saul. From the books

> QUACK DOCTOR and PAPERBACK CLINIC, available from Dr. Saul,

> Number 8 Van Buren Street, Holley, New York 14470.

>

>

>

> Dr. Saul

>

> AN IMPORTANT NOTE: This page is not in any way offered as

> prescription, diagnosis nor treatment for any disease, illness,

> infirmity or physical condition. Any form of self-treatment or

> alternative health program necessarily must involve an individual's

> acceptance of some risk, and no one should assume otherwise. Persons

> needing medical care should obtain it from a physician. Consult your

> doctor before making any health decision.

> Neither the author nor the webmaster has authorized the use of their

> names or the use of any material contained within in connection with

> the sale, promotion or advertising of any product or apparatus.

> Single-copy reproduction for individual, non-commercial use is

> permitted providing no alterations of content are made, and credit is

> given.

>

> _

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

Great posts! I'd like to add a bit here, especially since it relates to my

daughter and some improvements we've seen recently. I ran a Urine Organic

Acid test on her (MetaMetrix) and in the interpretive report from my

company, CellMate, we noticed an elevation in an organic acid known as

Tricarballylate. It is a by-product of an intestinal bacteria and it binds

very tightly with magnesium The organic acid itself binds to magnesium.

Since we started Tasya on ProBio Gold from Kirkman, we've noticed a

substantial lessening of the brief myoclonics she had while falling asleep

during naps and while waking up in the morning. My feeling is that she is

finally absorbing the magnesium as we destroy the tricarballylate producing

bacteria.

Just my two-cents for the day.

In health,

Mark Schauss

www.cellmatewellness.com

Re: [ ] Magnesium and seizures

> Hi Zoe,

> Great article, I have been preaching to docs the very same fact regarding

the

> magnesium serum levels and the " traces only " reading. Of course their

> interpretation is that " is not there because the body does not need it " . A

> point of interest. Depending on what salt of magnesium you are taking ,it

is

> absorbed by different parts of the cell. Of course we do not know which

part

> of the neuronal cell needs to be fed in order to influence the epilepsy

> episodes but one interesting theory is to make sure one takes a complete

> combination of as many chelated magnesium forms as possible such as

ororate,

> glycinate, citrate, glycinate, among others, I am searching for a brand

with

> the most salts in it and I'll post it as I find it. The second point is

the

> issue of frequency. Most people will tell you that taking minerals once a

day

> is fine and it is. In the case of magnesium and epilepsy we need to be

more

> careful, though. I suspect that maintaining as close as possible a

constant

> supply of available magnesium thoroughout the day is important and I give

my

> son a magnesium blend six times a day. Thirdly, do not forget to assure

> enough dietary or supplemental calcium and B6 in as many as six times a

day

> or three " time release " takes.

> Warm regards

>

> FCR

>

>

> Zll51@... wrote:

>

> > This article is from Dr. Saul's web site. If you aren't familiar with

> > him, you may want to be. Much good info there.

> >

> > http://doctoryourself.com/index.html

> >

> >

> > Epilepsy

> >

> > Epilepsy

> > Home " If in doubt, try nutrition first. "

> > ( J. , PhD, in Nutrition Against Disease)

> > and her fiancé wanted to have children as soon as they

> > were married. had just been diagnosed with epilepsy, however,

> > and was offered Phenobarbital as therapy. She and read up on

> > the drug, and now knew, as did their doctor, that pregnancy while

> > taking a barbiturate was not ideal.

> > " So we want to look into other options, " said to me in the

> > office. " Could vitamins replace the drug? "

> > " I'm not sure, " I said. " My mother has been medicated for grand mal

> > epilepsy for over 50 years now and it's a really long shot to think

> > that a nutrient could be enough. Still, , you have the

> > advantage of being young. There is evidence that epilepsy in

> > teenagers can be connected with magnesium deficiency. You've had

> > blood tests done? "

> > " Oh, yes, " she said. " Tons of them, and here's the latest. "

> > She handed me a copy. No one had even looked for serum magnesium.

> > " O.K. then, " I said. " Ask your doctor to check your blood magnesium

> > levels, and let me know what they find. "

> > So they did check. 's serum magnesium levels were so low as to

> > be actually unmeasurable.

> > " The doctor was a bit surprised at that, " said next time we

> > talked. " So now what? "

> > " Let's try a large quantity of magnesium, starting with a supplement

> > of 800 milligrams a day. That's just over twice the RDA, so it is

> > not unreasonable. Then you can gradually work up from there if need

> > be. You'll know if you are taking too much: the biggest side effect

> > of too much magnesium is diarrhea. You've heard of milk of

> > magnesia? "

> > " The laxative, sure. "

> > " That is a magnesium preparation. Your supplement will be better

> > absorbed, though. Especially if you take the right form, take it

> > often, and really need it. Then your body will soak it up like a

> > sponge. Try magnesium citrate, or magnesium gluconate. Divide your

> > daily intake over four or more doses, at least. Then let's see what

> > we get. "

> > A few weeks later, we met again. had new bloodwork results in

> > hand. Her magnesium level was just barely measurable... and she was

> > taking 1,200 mg a day.

> > " Wow! Where's it all going? " asked. " I've had no loose

> > bowels at all. "

> > " Your body is evidently using it. This suggests a real, long-

> > standing deficiency on your part. Of course, nearly 99% of young

> > women do not even get the US RDA of magnesium. But this is beyond

> > that. You have a special need for this mineral. The tests confirm

> > that. "

> > " But wouldn't the blood levels go up more than that little bit? "

> > said.

> > " You'd think so, but not necessarily. You are more than your blood,

> > important though blood certainly is. Serum tests fail to indicate

> > how much of this or that is actually inside your body's cells. There

> > are, after all, some 40 trillion of them. Magnesium is involved in

> > over 2,000 chemical reactions throughout your body. It is needed

> > everywhere and always. Oddly enough, the cells can be critically low

> > in magnesium and some of the mineral will often still show up in the

> > serum. In your case, it's more the other way around. Now that you

> > are supplementing with magnesium, your cells must be getting it, and

> > there's not much left in the blood that transports it. There are a

> > lot of tanker trucks on your highways, but they're empty. The cargo

> > is delivered and now the fuel is in every home. "

> > " So it looks like I need more magnesium than most people, " said

> > . " Well, if I do take lots of it, will I need less of the

> > drug? "

> > " That's the idea. Do you want to run it by your doctor? You could

> > ask him if he'd consider try gradually decreasing your dose of

> > Phenobarbital down to the minimum that keeps you symptom free. "

> > She did, and he did. ended up on the lowest possible dose of

> > the drug and a very high maintenance dose of magnesium. This was not

> > an landslide victory for nutrition, but it points to a greater good:

> > an optimally-nourished body may need very little medication. What

> > are the long-term consequences of millions of Americans taking less

> > of each of their many drugs? Healthier people, greater safety and

> > greater savings. Only the pharmaceutical companies could possibly

> > object.

> > And they do, of course. The US Food and Drug Administration shares

> > the industry's concern that it might lose its therapeutic monopoly.

> > Here is a direct quote from FDA Deputy Commissioner for Policy

> > , at the Drug Information Association Annual Meeting, July 12,

> > 1993:

> > " Pay careful attention to what is happening with dietary supplements

> > in the legislative arena... If these efforts are successful, there

> > could be created a class of products to compete with approved

> > drugs. The establishment of a separate regulatory category for

> > supplements could undercut exclusivity rights enjoyed by the holders

> > of approved drug applications. "

> > And a quote from the FDA Dietary Task Force Report, released June

> > 15, 1993:

> > " The task force considered many issues in its deliberations

> > including to ensure that the existence of dietary supplements on the

> > market does not act as a disincentive for drug development. "

> > When is the last time you saw a calendar, pen, ad or prescription

> > pad in your doctor's hand that said " Magnesium " on it?

> > Keep looking. It will be in some quack's office, no doubt.

> > Or not. L.B. Barnett, MD was onto this some 40 years ago. He

> > wrote " Clinical Studies of Magnesium Deficiency in Epilepsy, "

> > published in Clinical Physiology 1(2) Fall, 1959. But who cares

> > about old papers? Our society prefers new lamps for old. New drugs

> > invariably preempt old minerals. Too bad, when the old lamp or the

> > old research may hold the genie.

> >

> > Copyright C 1999 and prior years W. Saul. From the books

> > QUACK DOCTOR and PAPERBACK CLINIC, available from Dr. Saul,

> > Number 8 Van Buren Street, Holley, New York 14470.

> >

> >

> >

> > Dr. Saul

> >

> > AN IMPORTANT NOTE: This page is not in any way offered as

> > prescription, diagnosis nor treatment for any disease, illness,

> > infirmity or physical condition. Any form of self-treatment or

> > alternative health program necessarily must involve an individual's

> > acceptance of some risk, and no one should assume otherwise. Persons

> > needing medical care should obtain it from a physician. Consult your

> > doctor before making any health decision.

> > Neither the author nor the webmaster has authorized the use of their

> > names or the use of any material contained within in connection with

> > the sale, promotion or advertising of any product or apparatus.

> > Single-copy reproduction for individual, non-commercial use is

> > permitted providing no alterations of content are made, and credit is

> > given.

> >

> > _

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Mark,

Great point.

My son takes a similar product from Solaray, but I'll try the Kirkman one.

Thanks. The intestinal bacteria that produces the Tricarb, do you know if

it resides in the colon or the small intestine? It is an important question

since, allopathics have always maintained that bacteria is harbored only

in the colon, whereas the naturopaths have maintained that in some( many I

suspect) individuals it can migrate through the iliocecal valve and thrive

in the small intestine where it causes havoc. I could see the acid permeating

through the intestinal wall into the blood stream and from there into

the urine.

Another insidious great robber of minerals is dietary phytic acid a binding

molecule present in many " innocent " foods such as wheat bran.

Warm regards

FCRc xx x

Mark Schauss wrote:

> ,

>

> Great posts! I'd like to add a bit here, especially since it relates to my

> daughter and some improvements we've seen recently. I ran a Urine Organic

> Acid test on her (MetaMetrix) and in the interpretive report from my

> company, CellMate, we noticed an elevation in an organic acid known as

> Tricarballylate. It is a by-product of an intestinal bacteria and it binds

> very tightly with magnesium The organic acid itself binds to magnesium.

>

> Since we started Tasya on ProBio Gold from Kirkman, we've noticed a

> substantial lessening of the brief myoclonics she had while falling asleep

> during naps and while waking up in the morning. My feeling is that she is

> finally absorbing the magnesium as we destroy the tricarballylate producing

> bacteria.

>

> Just my two-cents for the day.

>

> In health,

> Mark Schauss

> www.cellmatewellness.com

>

> Re: [ ] Magnesium and seizures

>

> > Hi Zoe,

> > Great article, I have been preaching to docs the very same fact regarding

> the

> > magnesium serum levels and the " traces only " reading. Of course their

> > interpretation is that " is not there because the body does not need it " . A

> > point of interest. Depending on what salt of magnesium you are taking ,it

> is

> > absorbed by different parts of the cell. Of course we do not know which

> part

> > of the neuronal cell needs to be fed in order to influence the epilepsy

> > episodes but one interesting theory is to make sure one takes a complete

> > combination of as many chelated magnesium forms as possible such as

> ororate,

> > glycinate, citrate, glycinate, among others, I am searching for a brand

> with

> > the most salts in it and I'll post it as I find it. The second point is

> the

> > issue of frequency. Most people will tell you that taking minerals once a

> day

> > is fine and it is. In the case of magnesium and epilepsy we need to be

> more

> > careful, though. I suspect that maintaining as close as possible a

> constant

> > supply of available magnesium thoroughout the day is important and I give

> my

> > son a magnesium blend six times a day. Thirdly, do not forget to assure

> > enough dietary or supplemental calcium and B6 in as many as six times a

> day

> > or three " time release " takes.

> > Warm regards

> >

> > FCR

> >

> >

> > Zll51@... wrote:

> >

> > > This article is from Dr. Saul's web site. If you aren't familiar with

> > > him, you may want to be. Much good info there.

> > >

> > > http://doctoryourself.com/index.html

> > >

> > >

> > > Epilepsy

> > >

> > > Epilepsy

> > > Home " If in doubt, try nutrition first. "

> > > ( J. , PhD, in Nutrition Against Disease)

> > > and her fiancé wanted to have children as soon as they

> > > were married. had just been diagnosed with epilepsy, however,

> > > and was offered Phenobarbital as therapy. She and read up on

> > > the drug, and now knew, as did their doctor, that pregnancy while

> > > taking a barbiturate was not ideal.

> > > " So we want to look into other options, " said to me in the

> > > office. " Could vitamins replace the drug? "

> > > " I'm not sure, " I said. " My mother has been medicated for grand mal

> > > epilepsy for over 50 years now and it's a really long shot to think

> > > that a nutrient could be enough. Still, , you have the

> > > advantage of being young. There is evidence that epilepsy in

> > > teenagers can be connected with magnesium deficiency. You've had

> > > blood tests done? "

> > > " Oh, yes, " she said. " Tons of them, and here's the latest. "

> > > She handed me a copy. No one had even looked for serum magnesium.

> > > " O.K. then, " I said. " Ask your doctor to check your blood magnesium

> > > levels, and let me know what they find. "

> > > So they did check. 's serum magnesium levels were so low as to

> > > be actually unmeasurable.

> > > " The doctor was a bit surprised at that, " said next time we

> > > talked. " So now what? "

> > > " Let's try a large quantity of magnesium, starting with a supplement

> > > of 800 milligrams a day. That's just over twice the RDA, so it is

> > > not unreasonable. Then you can gradually work up from there if need

> > > be. You'll know if you are taking too much: the biggest side effect

> > > of too much magnesium is diarrhea. You've heard of milk of

> > > magnesia? "

> > > " The laxative, sure. "

> > > " That is a magnesium preparation. Your supplement will be better

> > > absorbed, though. Especially if you take the right form, take it

> > > often, and really need it. Then your body will soak it up like a

> > > sponge. Try magnesium citrate, or magnesium gluconate. Divide your

> > > daily intake over four or more doses, at least. Then let's see what

> > > we get. "

> > > A few weeks later, we met again. had new bloodwork results in

> > > hand. Her magnesium level was just barely measurable... and she was

> > > taking 1,200 mg a day.

> > > " Wow! Where's it all going? " asked. " I've had no loose

> > > bowels at all. "

> > > " Your body is evidently using it. This suggests a real, long-

> > > standing deficiency on your part. Of course, nearly 99% of young

> > > women do not even get the US RDA of magnesium. But this is beyond

> > > that. You have a special need for this mineral. The tests confirm

> > > that. "

> > > " But wouldn't the blood levels go up more than that little bit? "

> > > said.

> > > " You'd think so, but not necessarily. You are more than your blood,

> > > important though blood certainly is. Serum tests fail to indicate

> > > how much of this or that is actually inside your body's cells. There

> > > are, after all, some 40 trillion of them. Magnesium is involved in

> > > over 2,000 chemical reactions throughout your body. It is needed

> > > everywhere and always. Oddly enough, the cells can be critically low

> > > in magnesium and some of the mineral will often still show up in the

> > > serum. In your case, it's more the other way around. Now that you

> > > are supplementing with magnesium, your cells must be getting it, and

> > > there's not much left in the blood that transports it. There are a

> > > lot of tanker trucks on your highways, but they're empty. The cargo

> > > is delivered and now the fuel is in every home. "

> > > " So it looks like I need more magnesium than most people, " said

> > > . " Well, if I do take lots of it, will I need less of the

> > > drug? "

> > > " That's the idea. Do you want to run it by your doctor? You could

> > > ask him if he'd consider try gradually decreasing your dose of

> > > Phenobarbital down to the minimum that keeps you symptom free. "

> > > She did, and he did. ended up on the lowest possible dose of

> > > the drug and a very high maintenance dose of magnesium. This was not

> > > an landslide victory for nutrition, but it points to a greater good:

> > > an optimally-nourished body may need very little medication. What

> > > are the long-term consequences of millions of Americans taking less

> > > of each of their many drugs? Healthier people, greater safety and

> > > greater savings. Only the pharmaceutical companies could possibly

> > > object.

> > > And they do, of course. The US Food and Drug Administration shares

> > > the industry's concern that it might lose its therapeutic monopoly.

> > > Here is a direct quote from FDA Deputy Commissioner for Policy

> > > , at the Drug Information Association Annual Meeting, July 12,

> > > 1993:

> > > " Pay careful attention to what is happening with dietary supplements

> > > in the legislative arena... If these efforts are successful, there

> > > could be created a class of products to compete with approved

> > > drugs. The establishment of a separate regulatory category for

> > > supplements could undercut exclusivity rights enjoyed by the holders

> > > of approved drug applications. "

> > > And a quote from the FDA Dietary Task Force Report, released June

> > > 15, 1993:

> > > " The task force considered many issues in its deliberations

> > > including to ensure that the existence of dietary supplements on the

> > > market does not act as a disincentive for drug development. "

> > > When is the last time you saw a calendar, pen, ad or prescription

> > > pad in your doctor's hand that said " Magnesium " on it?

> > > Keep looking. It will be in some quack's office, no doubt.

> > > Or not. L.B. Barnett, MD was onto this some 40 years ago. He

> > > wrote " Clinical Studies of Magnesium Deficiency in Epilepsy, "

> > > published in Clinical Physiology 1(2) Fall, 1959. But who cares

> > > about old papers? Our society prefers new lamps for old. New drugs

> > > invariably preempt old minerals. Too bad, when the old lamp or the

> > > old research may hold the genie.

> > >

> > > Copyright C 1999 and prior years W. Saul. From the books

> > > QUACK DOCTOR and PAPERBACK CLINIC, available from Dr. Saul,

> > > Number 8 Van Buren Street, Holley, New York 14470.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Dr. Saul

> > >

> > > AN IMPORTANT NOTE: This page is not in any way offered as

> > > prescription, diagnosis nor treatment for any disease, illness,

> > > infirmity or physical condition. Any form of self-treatment or

> > > alternative health program necessarily must involve an individual's

> > > acceptance of some risk, and no one should assume otherwise. Persons

> > > needing medical care should obtain it from a physician. Consult your

> > > doctor before making any health decision.

> > > Neither the author nor the webmaster has authorized the use of their

> > > names or the use of any material contained within in connection with

> > > the sale, promotion or advertising of any product or apparatus.

> > > Single-copy reproduction for individual, non-commercial use is

> > > permitted providing no alterations of content are made, and credit is

> > > given.

> > >

> > > _

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

,

The bacteria that produces tricarb resides in the small intestine.

Allopaths need to go back to school on this one.

In health,

Mark Schauss

www.cellmatewellness.com

Re: [ ] Magnesium and seizures

> >

> > > Hi Zoe,

> > > Great article, I have been preaching to docs the very same fact

regarding

> > the

> > > magnesium serum levels and the " traces only " reading. Of course their

> > > interpretation is that " is not there because the body does not need

it " . A

> > > point of interest. Depending on what salt of magnesium you are taking

,it

> > is

> > > absorbed by different parts of the cell. Of course we do not know

which

> > part

> > > of the neuronal cell needs to be fed in order to influence the

epilepsy

> > > episodes but one interesting theory is to make sure one takes a

complete

> > > combination of as many chelated magnesium forms as possible such as

> > ororate,

> > > glycinate, citrate, glycinate, among others, I am searching for a

brand

> > with

> > > the most salts in it and I'll post it as I find it. The second point

is

> > the

> > > issue of frequency. Most people will tell you that taking minerals

once a

> > day

> > > is fine and it is. In the case of magnesium and epilepsy we need to be

> > more

> > > careful, though. I suspect that maintaining as close as possible a

> > constant

> > > supply of available magnesium thoroughout the day is important and I

give

> > my

> > > son a magnesium blend six times a day. Thirdly, do not forget to

assure

> > > enough dietary or supplemental calcium and B6 in as many as six times

a

> > day

> > > or three " time release " takes.

> > > Warm regards

> > >

> > > FCR

> > >

> > >

> > > Zll51@... wrote:

> > >

> > > > This article is from Dr. Saul's web site. If you aren't familiar

with

> > > > him, you may want to be. Much good info there.

> > > >

> > > > http://doctoryourself.com/index.html

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Epilepsy

> > > >

> > > > Epilepsy

> > > > Home " If in doubt, try nutrition first. "

> > > > ( J. , PhD, in Nutrition Against Disease)

> > > > and her fiancé wanted to have children as soon as

they

> > > > were married. had just been diagnosed with epilepsy, however,

> > > > and was offered Phenobarbital as therapy. She and read up

on

> > > > the drug, and now knew, as did their doctor, that pregnancy while

> > > > taking a barbiturate was not ideal.

> > > > " So we want to look into other options, " said to me in the

> > > > office. " Could vitamins replace the drug? "

> > > > " I'm not sure, " I said. " My mother has been medicated for grand

mal

> > > > epilepsy for over 50 years now and it's a really long shot to think

> > > > that a nutrient could be enough. Still, , you have the

> > > > advantage of being young. There is evidence that epilepsy in

> > > > teenagers can be connected with magnesium deficiency. You've had

> > > > blood tests done? "

> > > > " Oh, yes, " she said. " Tons of them, and here's the latest. "

> > > > She handed me a copy. No one had even looked for serum magnesium.

> > > > " O.K. then, " I said. " Ask your doctor to check your blood

magnesium

> > > > levels, and let me know what they find. "

> > > > So they did check. 's serum magnesium levels were so low as

to

> > > > be actually unmeasurable.

> > > > " The doctor was a bit surprised at that, " said next time we

> > > > talked. " So now what? "

> > > > " Let's try a large quantity of magnesium, starting with a

supplement

> > > > of 800 milligrams a day. That's just over twice the RDA, so it is

> > > > not unreasonable. Then you can gradually work up from there if need

> > > > be. You'll know if you are taking too much: the biggest side effect

> > > > of too much magnesium is diarrhea. You've heard of milk of

> > > > magnesia? "

> > > > " The laxative, sure. "

> > > > " That is a magnesium preparation. Your supplement will be better

> > > > absorbed, though. Especially if you take the right form, take it

> > > > often, and really need it. Then your body will soak it up like a

> > > > sponge. Try magnesium citrate, or magnesium gluconate. Divide your

> > > > daily intake over four or more doses, at least. Then let's see what

> > > > we get. "

> > > > A few weeks later, we met again. had new bloodwork results

in

> > > > hand. Her magnesium level was just barely measurable... and she was

> > > > taking 1,200 mg a day.

> > > > " Wow! Where's it all going? " asked. " I've had no loose

> > > > bowels at all. "

> > > > " Your body is evidently using it. This suggests a real, long-

> > > > standing deficiency on your part. Of course, nearly 99% of young

> > > > women do not even get the US RDA of magnesium. But this is beyond

> > > > that. You have a special need for this mineral. The tests confirm

> > > > that. "

> > > > " But wouldn't the blood levels go up more than that little bit? "

> > > > said.

> > > > " You'd think so, but not necessarily. You are more than your

blood,

> > > > important though blood certainly is. Serum tests fail to indicate

> > > > how much of this or that is actually inside your body's cells.

There

> > > > are, after all, some 40 trillion of them. Magnesium is involved in

> > > > over 2,000 chemical reactions throughout your body. It is needed

> > > > everywhere and always. Oddly enough, the cells can be critically

low

> > > > in magnesium and some of the mineral will often still show up in the

> > > > serum. In your case, it's more the other way around. Now that you

> > > > are supplementing with magnesium, your cells must be getting it, and

> > > > there's not much left in the blood that transports it. There are a

> > > > lot of tanker trucks on your highways, but they're empty. The cargo

> > > > is delivered and now the fuel is in every home. "

> > > > " So it looks like I need more magnesium than most people, " said

> > > > . " Well, if I do take lots of it, will I need less of the

> > > > drug? "

> > > > " That's the idea. Do you want to run it by your doctor? You could

> > > > ask him if he'd consider try gradually decreasing your dose of

> > > > Phenobarbital down to the minimum that keeps you symptom free. "

> > > > She did, and he did. ended up on the lowest possible dose of

> > > > the drug and a very high maintenance dose of magnesium. This was

not

> > > > an landslide victory for nutrition, but it points to a greater good:

> > > > an optimally-nourished body may need very little medication. What

> > > > are the long-term consequences of millions of Americans taking less

> > > > of each of their many drugs? Healthier people, greater safety and

> > > > greater savings. Only the pharmaceutical companies could possibly

> > > > object.

> > > > And they do, of course. The US Food and Drug Administration shares

> > > > the industry's concern that it might lose its therapeutic monopoly.

> > > > Here is a direct quote from FDA Deputy Commissioner for Policy

> > > > , at the Drug Information Association Annual Meeting, July 12,

> > > > 1993:

> > > > " Pay careful attention to what is happening with dietary

supplements

> > > > in the legislative arena... If these efforts are successful, there

> > > > could be created a class of products to compete with approved

> > > > drugs. The establishment of a separate regulatory category for

> > > > supplements could undercut exclusivity rights enjoyed by the holders

> > > > of approved drug applications. "

> > > > And a quote from the FDA Dietary Task Force Report, released June

> > > > 15, 1993:

> > > > " The task force considered many issues in its deliberations

> > > > including to ensure that the existence of dietary supplements on the

> > > > market does not act as a disincentive for drug development. "

> > > > When is the last time you saw a calendar, pen, ad or prescription

> > > > pad in your doctor's hand that said " Magnesium " on it?

> > > > Keep looking. It will be in some quack's office, no doubt.

> > > > Or not. L.B. Barnett, MD was onto this some 40 years ago. He

> > > > wrote " Clinical Studies of Magnesium Deficiency in Epilepsy, "

> > > > published in Clinical Physiology 1(2) Fall, 1959. But who cares

> > > > about old papers? Our society prefers new lamps for old. New drugs

> > > > invariably preempt old minerals. Too bad, when the old lamp or the

> > > > old research may hold the genie.

> > > >

> > > > Copyright C 1999 and prior years W. Saul. From the books

> > > > QUACK DOCTOR and PAPERBACK CLINIC, available from Dr. Saul,

> > > > Number 8 Van Buren Street, Holley, New York 14470.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dr. Saul

> > > >

> > > > AN IMPORTANT NOTE: This page is not in any way offered as

> > > > prescription, diagnosis nor treatment for any disease, illness,

> > > > infirmity or physical condition. Any form of self-treatment or

> > > > alternative health program necessarily must involve an individual's

> > > > acceptance of some risk, and no one should assume otherwise.

Persons

> > > > needing medical care should obtain it from a physician. Consult

your

> > > > doctor before making any health decision.

> > > > Neither the author nor the webmaster has authorized the use of their

> > > > names or the use of any material contained within in connection with

> > > > the sale, promotion or advertising of any product or apparatus.

> > > > Single-copy reproduction for individual, non-commercial use is

> > > > permitted providing no alterations of content are made, and credit

is

> > > > given.

> > > >

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/4/01 9:18:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

schauss@... writes:

<<

> Another insidious great robber of minerals is dietary phytic acid a

binding molecule present in many " innocent " foods such as wheat bran.

> Warm regards

> >>

WHAT ABOUT WHEAT GERM?

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Wheat germ does not contain appreciable amounts of Phytic acid. Is mostly in the

bran.

Warm regards

FCR

Dillr@... wrote:

> In a message dated 5/4/01 9:18:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

> schauss@... writes:

>

> <<

> > Another insidious great robber of minerals is dietary phytic acid a

> binding molecule present in many " innocent " foods such as wheat bran.

> > Warm regards

> > >>

>

> WHAT ABOUT WHEAT GERM?

>

>

>

> _

>

>

[Guest guest]

However, I read that grains in general rob the body of minerals. See

www.paleodiet.com, www.neanderthin.com

www.thinktwice.com

At 07:08 AM 5/5/01 -0400, you wrote:

>Hi ,

>Wheat germ does not contain appreciable amounts of Phytic acid. Is mostly in

>the bran.

>Warm regards

>FCR

>

>> -subscribeonelist

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

,

I always thought wheat germ was good for you. I know some folks

believe all bread is bad for you. We have folks saying don't use

a microwave over. Still others push consuming only organic RAW fruits

and vegetables. These folks say because cooking kills enzymes which

your body can use to assist digestion, don't cook anything you eat.

But, even if you only ate organic raw food, would you become epilepsy free

and/or in better health overall? How would you go about making that

determination? After all, why go to all the extra trouble and expense

if there is no way to determine the effectiveness of the therapy (assuming

you consider a diet as a form of therapy)?

Lamar

Dillr@... wrote:

In a message dated 5/4/01 9:18:53 AM Eastern

Daylight Time,

schauss@... writes:

<<

> Another insidious great robber of minerals is dietary phytic

acid a

binding molecule present in many "innocent" foods such as wheat

bran.

> Warm regards

> >>

WHAT ABOUT WHEAT GERM?

[Guest guest]

Hi , The cereals are made off the kernel (or germ) the endosperm and the

bran. The bulk of the phytic acid is in the bran. That is why when you

take the entire grain (bran included) there is a slight interference with

mineral absorption. If you take bran only this effect is magnified. When you

take the germ portion there is little effect. All this information needs to be

taken in the proper context and have a sense of proportion about. The

effect of eating whole grains in the absorption of minerals is there but is

negligible when compared with the relative large amounts of minerals we

ingest in our foods and the relatively small amount that is absorbed. This is

natural and is nothing wrong with it. Some nutrition writers fail to put

these things in proper context and confusion ensues.

Do not eat bran at the same time you are taking a mineral supplement. Just wait

a couple of hours. That's all.

Warm regards

FCR

wrote:

> However, I read that grains in general rob the body of minerals. See

> www.paleodiet.com, www.neanderthin.com

>

>

> www.thinktwice.com

>

> At 07:08 AM 5/5/01 -0400, you wrote:

> >Hi ,

> >Wheat germ does not contain appreciable amounts of Phytic acid. Is mostly in

> >the bran.

> >Warm regards

> >FCR

> >

> >> -subscribeonelist

> >>

> >>

[Guest guest]

In einer eMail vom 05.05.01 22:41:56 (MEZ) - Mitteleurop. Sommerzeit schreibt lamar@...:

.. But, even if you only ate organic raw food, would you become epilepsy free and/or in better health overall?

Hi Lamar,

we may not think in a mono-causal way on this matter.

And there are two different approaches to treating a disease (be it epilepsy or any other):

pathogenesis or salutogenesis.

In pathogenesis you do research what might have called the disease into existence and try to fight the symptoms in a materialistic way.

In salutogenesis you look at that whole human being as being spirit, soul and body in one, and you try to do anything to improve the three:

from healthy nutrition, supplementation, maybe medication, and avoiding harmful agents, over relaxation, psychotherapy, good relationships,

to new orientation, change of lifestyle, meditation and spiritual life.

We are human, we do not have only the one material dimension.

For example all the experts agree that complex partial seizures cannot successfully be treated by meds. To become seizure free, one has to undertake psychotherapy. Sometimes after psychotherapy meds can be weaned out.

See www.andrewsreiter.com

on that.

They have the most wonderful self-control-program. The success rate is over 80 %.

They also published some research on that website.

Katharina

[Guest guest]

Lamar,

Thought you may find this overview of our son's progress of interest, with respect to your inquiries regarding epilepsy.

With respect to "why go to all the extra trouble and expense", I am not sure what extra trouble and expense there is? From our own experience, if you are not cooking, there is less expense (no heating costs) and less trouble (no dirty cooking pots). Preparing food for is as simple as peeling fruit and mashing it. There is more work in the vegetable juicing and preparing of the "nut butter", but we feel the benefits have been more then worth it. It must be remember in all of this, that it is easier for us, because can't chew food, and has difficulty in swallowing anything which is not mashed, which also makes what we do more convenient for our situation.

Regards ,

& Savage.

AN OVERVIEW OF ADRIAN SAVAGE’S PROGRESS. (MAY 2001)

WAS: From birth - D.O.B. 19/9/95, (and possibly in the womb, as commented numerous times about the strange repetitive movements, late in the pregnancy) had serve uncontrollable myoclonic epilepsy – up to 40+ seizures per day of ½ to 3 min duration.

NOW: is now drug free (no anti-convulsants since June 1998), with the occasional mild seizure (many so mild, that the casual observer is often not aware he is having one - mouth pouting, slight rolling of the eyes, involuntary swallowing or smiling, slight flicking of the head, shoulder or one hand - an average of 4 to 5 per week), which don’t leave him bombed out afterwards, and he is obviously aware of what is happening around him during them. At no stage when was on any combination of anti-convulsant medications, did he have any better control of seizure activity, as compared to their control since taking him off drugs, (both in terms of number of seizures over any given time frame and the intensity of those seizures) with the added noticeable benefit of no side affects. (Esp. more alert and aware of his surroundings)

BENEFITS: *The intensive rehabilitation program we did for 14 months through the Institutes for the Development of Human Potential (Glenn Doman program – Australian contact, Max Britt P.O Box 3 Healesville, , 3777 - Ph 059 623084) – especially the “masking” – rebreathing expelled air for set time, many times a day. (Check out www.iahp.org or www.nacd.org)

*D.M.G. – dimethyl glycine supplement – the active component of pan agamic acid (vitamin B15)

*Taurine amino acid supplement

*Diet – particularly no salt, no sugar and regulated fluid intake

WAS: For the first 3-4 months of his life, was fed through a naos-gastric tube. To avoid infections from food getting on his lungs, all fluids had to be thickened, due to his poor swallowing. He was never able to successfully breast feed, because he could not open his mouth properly. He struggled with a constant “rattling” in the back of his throat, due to the inability to deal with his secretions, which required sucking out with a machine.

NOW: has been drinking unthickened fluids, for nearly 3 years (still from a bottle, working on cup use), and eats lumpy mashed food, making some attempt to bite or chew, with encouragement. The “rattle”/secretion problem has completely dried up.

BENEFITS: *getting him off anti-convulsants

*D.M.G. (as above) – noticed dramatic improvement in 3-4 days when we first put him on it.

WAS: Floppy “rag doll” lying “frog legged” on the floor, unable to lift his head up (until 15 months) or roll, and often only wakeful 2 to 4 hours a day.

NOW: Greatly improved muscle tone and weight bearing ability. (We still notice fluctuations during a day and from day to day, although they are mild compared to pre supplementation with D.M.G., and despite any fluctuations, he is always steadily improving in overall strength, especially in the upper body) He can roll from back to front and front to back (often gets arms stuck), and when very active, used to move around the floor on his back (we don’t put him on the floor much now that he has a Hart , which he regularly [2 x 1 or 2hr sessions per day] makes good use of, as energy levels allow). He weight bears well on his legs, and is able to stand for extended periods of time with limited support for balance. He will step out and with encouragement and some assistance, walk across a room in his A.F.O’s, on good days. He will involve and sometimes initiate meaningful interaction and games with others. He can reach and hit things, but not reach and grasp; although he will tightly grasp something placed in his hand (esp. his spoon in his right hand). If placed on the floor in a seated position, he is able to remain upright for several hours, using his hands on the floor, between his legs, for limited support. He now independently moves around the floor, in this way, pushing any pillows placed around him for protection, out of the way. For this reason, we have brought him a football foam protection helmet, to avoid injury. When seated, he often plays a game of leaning right back and pulling himself upright at the last minute, before he falls backwards. Sits on a little stool for extended periods of time, often with out support.

BENEFITS: *D.M.G. supplement

*Co Enzyme Q10 and activated Vitamin B3 supplements – was on these before discovering D.M.G. While not as effective, they did assist with his energy levels.

*Diet – higher fat / lower carbohydrate / low acid forming (i.e. Alkaline forming foods) / all raw vegan diet and freshly juiced vegetable juices for fluids.

*The intensive rehabilitation program definitely laid a good foundation to this progress.

WAS: Struggled with chronic constipation, with bleeding, often requiring suppositories.

NOW: Has very few digestive problems.

BENEFITS: Change of diet.

# Aside from secondary illnesses, the removal of the D.M.G. supplementation and a major set back after his 18 month immunization, (when he lost 3 to 4 clear words of speech, which he has never regained – the beginnings of word forming and a greater vocal range has been a recent progression) has always been steadily improving, especially since coming off anti-convulsants.

AN OVERVIEW OF ADRIAN’S DIET & SUPPLEMENTS.

Diet: *Fruit – bananas, avocados, pears, apples, kiwi fruit, peaches, mangoes, paw paws, strawberries, nectarines, apricots, plums, custard apple, rock melon, water melon

* “Nut Butter” – the following soaked overnight in water in the fridge and crushed: almonds, lima beans, dates, sunflower seeds, pumpkin seeds (pepita), sultans, raisins, figs, dried apricots, and prunes.

*Tofu, tahini (crushed sesame seed paste)

(On the few occasions we have given him cooked animal based products - eg egg custard – we have noticed a return of the “rattles” in the back of the throat and a swelling up of the old sty scares on his eyelids. had very bad sties on his eyes when younger, until we introduced this diet.)

Fluids: Mainly fresh, raw, vegetable juices, esp. carrot with small amounts of celery, cucumber, beetroot, parsley, or spinach. (Occasionally, 100% bottled fruit juice, watered down)

Supplements: *Barley green or alfalfa powder – heaped teaspoon per day (broad range alkalising nutrient) (Check out http://hacres.com on the Net)

*Selenium yeast powder – 1/3 teaspoon per day (broad range nutrient & anti oxidant)

*Grain based acidophilus/bifidus concentrate powder – ½ teaspoon per day

*Calcium Ascorbate – 1/4 teaspoon per day (non acid vitamin C anti oxidant)

*Calcium supplement – equivalent to 300mg per day (assist bone density)

*Vitamin B12 – 250mcg per day (because of vegan diet)

*Linseed/flaxseed oil – approx 5 ml per day (essential fatty acids esp. omega 3)

*Taurine amino acid – 500 to 750 mg per day (assists with epilepsy and aids liver detox)

*D.M.G. (N, N, -Dimethylglycins HCL 50 mgm/ml) – 5 to 7 ml per day. Of all the supplements we have ever used with , this is the one that has shown the most obvious, sustained, benefits. The first time we put him on it, with in 3 to 4 days, we saw a marked improvement in his epilepsy, energy levels, alertness, and a complete “drying up” of the rattling at the back of the throat. We did a trial of taking him off it, and with in 10 days, noticed a return or marked increase in all these things, even reverting back to not opening his mouth to feed, as was the case in his early months of life. We again trailed off the D.M.G. recently. He was off it for over 2 months when we started to notice a return of the “rattles” in the back of his throat, and an increased susceptibility to secondary illnesses. We returned him to a 2ml per day maintenance dose, as of the 17th April, and have noticed a marked improvement in these areas again. (Check out www.kirkmanlabs.com on the Net)

Trust you find this of interest. There is much more we could share, concerning why we do what we are doing. Not sure about the “science” of it all, however the positive results are a testimony to the fact that any progression of the condition, is gradually being reversed. Though still a profoundly disabled boy, has good quality of life, and really loves his life. Though the journey for us has been an extremely difficult one, is a joy to be around, and we thank God for the blessing he has been to our lives.

Re: [ ] Magnesium and seizures

, I always thought wheat germ was good for you. I know some folks believe all bread is bad for you. We have folks saying don't use a microwave over. Still others push consuming only organic RAW fruits and vegetables. These folks say because cooking kills enzymes which your body can use to assist digestion, don't cook anything you eat. But, even if you only ate organic raw food, would you become epilepsy free and/or in better health overall? How would you go about making that determination? After all, why go to all the extra trouble and expense if there is no way to determine the effectiveness of the therapy (assuming you consider a diet as a form of therapy)? Lamar

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In a message dated 5/5/01 4:41:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

lamar@... writes:

<< I always thought wheat germ was good for you. >>

Yes, Wheat germ is good for you provided you don't have a wheat allergy. :-)