Guest guest Posted November 15, 2004 Report Share Posted November 15, 2004 And a phone call from a father last > week whose daughter started having seizures after she'd > been treated 100 straight times with no breaks also tells > me the same thing. All depends on the child and why > establishing protocols are so important and using common > sense, just like in any medical procedure. Seizures > certainly don't make for a perfect record. Define > 'perfect record'. Of course, COMMON SENSE is the key. And 100 sessions without a break is certainly not common sense. > $200 per session for $7 worth of oxygen. Yeap, some > charge $150 and others way more and some less. What a > hospital charges is pure rape ($1500/$2000 for 30 > minutes). As anyone knows there are overhead charges > that have to be paid for; CHTs, doctor's attention and > expertise, electricity, training, scheduling services, > phones, etc. No one gets rich with hyperbarics. This is > truly a service medical field and not one you go into > thinking you'll buy a boat from the 'profits'. We break even at $50 per treatment after paying all the expenses you just mentioned. So if we were charging $150 per session instead of $50, we would be making a profit of $4,000 on a client. We just sent 5 clients home from this session today. That means we would have made $20,000 in the 3 weeks they were here. I could buy a boat on that and take the 4th week off this month to use it. What about a center in Florida who charges $200 per treatment and has 11 monoplace chambers? That equals $2200 per dive (11 dives) (about 2 hours) and $8800 for an 8 hour day. I beleive that would buy a bigger boat. However, they take off Sat. and Sunday so it is only $44,000 per week. Too bad. It would probably take a few weeks to pay off a yacht. Opps, I forgot to deduct the costs of operating. At $50 per dive, that would be $2200 per day or $11,000 per week which would only leave a profit of $33,000 for the week??????? OK, let's figure another $3000 for an extra doctor and another $3000 for 3 very high paid techs just to have them there, still leaves $27,000 and the need to spend some money on an accountant to find some tax shelters. whoops, I forgot that the chambers probably aren't full all the time because not everyone is willing to pay that much for treatments, so let'sfigure a 50% occupancy rate and now we are down to $13,500 profit per week which is only $675,000.00 profit which is still going to require a good accountant and maybe a smaller yacht. > We provided a turn-key business operation for a 18-person > multiplace that could have run 24/7 and provided services > to 5 hospitals and were turned down. Why? Because the new > head of the medical facility didn't believe in > hyperbarics and didn't want to share with the other > hospitals. Politics! Bah humbug! *smile* So a brand > new 1.5 million dollar chamber sits idle. Give me this chamber for Miracle Mountain and I will show you how to do thousands of treatments for $50 per session and still break even. In fact, I think I could lower the rates with a chamber that size. Let's see: 18 clients using $7 oxygen each = $126 plus the cost of an inside tech, an RN, an outside tech, and a backup tech for 2 hours (1/2 hour check-in time plus 1 1/2 hours dive time) at $25 per hour, that equals $200 for labor, I own the property so no rent, so far we are up to $326. for the dive, let's double that just to make certain we cover utilities, office help, taxes, paper clips, etc. That's a cost of $652 for 18 people which is a little over $33 per treatment? We could lower our prices to $35 per session and stay full all the time 24/7 and help thousands of kids instead of hundreds. We could probably handle the job and eliminate all this work and worry for you and Bill. Hartsoe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2004 Report Share Posted November 15, 2004 How many seizures? Has she ever had them before? Rose RE: How many per day Hello, I spoke with Dr Harch who tells me that if a parent wants to do twice daily because of a time restriction, he will only if it does not become an immune suppression issue. Since 1991 we also have felt this way. Because HBOT has both advantages of being an immune enhancer as well as an immune suppression, We will treat twice daily, however one must note that rebuilding brain circulation takes much work on the bodies part along with supporting a growing child, Therefore our position is the following: If towards the time for the second treatment,( 4 hours later) if the child is sleeping or seems very tired, then we all agree to cancel the second session. In doing this it does require a sacrifice on both our parts never the less it is better for the child. Also if the child become lethargic or has a running nose ( immune suppression) then we go back to once a day for a while.( or give a day off) My goal is not to argue or debate anyone, rather it is ONLY to help achieve the best results for the child. I KNOW that we have a window of time, and little lives depend on our every single choice. Therefore when we treat a child, I will treat that child with the same loving and intelligent care that I treat my own. There are times when we will treat twice daily for a few days and then go for treatment only once for a few. My goal is to both uphold the future of HBOT, and to give the most productive, and safe treatment. I hope I have been clear on this and again deeply respect the opinion of every single center out there. Sincerely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2004 Report Share Posted November 15, 2004 >Of course, COMMON SENSE is the key. And 100 >sessions >without a break is certainly not common sense. We try to do as many as possible without breaks because every time we take a break we stop seeing results until we get up around 30 treatments. We do 1 a day 5 or 6 days a week. Rose Re: [ ] TREATMENT PER DAY > > And a phone call from a father last > > week whose daughter started having seizures after she'd > > been treated 100 straight times with no breaks also tells > > me the same thing. All depends on the child and why > > establishing protocols are so important and using common > > sense, just like in any medical procedure. Seizures > > certainly don't make for a perfect record. Define > > 'perfect record'. > > Of course, COMMON SENSE is the key. And 100 sessions > without a break is certainly not common sense. > > > > $200 per session for $7 worth of oxygen. Yeap, some > > charge $150 and others way more and some less. What a > > hospital charges is pure rape ($1500/$2000 for 30 > > minutes). As anyone knows there are overhead charges > > that have to be paid for; CHTs, doctor's attention and > > expertise, electricity, training, scheduling services, > > phones, etc. No one gets rich with hyperbarics. This is > > truly a service medical field and not one you go into > > thinking you'll buy a boat from the 'profits'. > > We break even at $50 per treatment after paying all the > expenses you just mentioned. So if we were charging $150 > per session instead of $50, we would be making a profit of > $4,000 on a client. We just sent 5 clients home from this > session today. That means we would have made $20,000 in the > 3 weeks they were here. I could buy a boat on that and take > the 4th week off this month to use it. > What about a center in Florida who charges $200 per > treatment and has 11 monoplace chambers? That equals $2200 > per dive (11 dives) (about 2 hours) and $8800 for an 8 hour > day. I beleive that would buy a bigger boat. However, they > take off Sat. and Sunday so it is only $44,000 per week. > Too bad. It would probably take a few weeks to pay off a > yacht. Opps, I forgot to deduct the costs of operating. > At $50 per dive, that would be $2200 per day or $11,000 per > week which would only leave a profit of $33,000 for the > week??????? OK, let's figure another $3000 for an extra > doctor and another $3000 for 3 very high paid techs just to > have them there, still leaves $27,000 and the need to spend > some money on an accountant to find some tax shelters. > whoops, I forgot that the chambers probably aren't full all > the time because not everyone is willing to pay that much > for treatments, so let'sfigure a 50% occupancy rate and now > we are down to $13,500 profit per week which is only > $675,000.00 profit which is still going to require a good > accountant and maybe a smaller yacht. > > > We provided a turn-key business operation for a 18-person > > multiplace that could have run 24/7 and provided services > > to 5 hospitals and were turned down. Why? Because the new > > head of the medical facility didn't believe in > > hyperbarics and didn't want to share with the other > > hospitals. Politics! Bah humbug! *smile* So a brand > > new 1.5 million dollar chamber sits idle. > > Give me this chamber for Miracle Mountain and I will show > you how to do thousands of treatments for $50 per session > and still break even. In fact, I think I could lower the > rates with a chamber that size. Let's see: 18 clients > using $7 oxygen each = $126 plus the cost of an inside tech, > an RN, an outside tech, and a backup tech for 2 hours (1/2 > hour check-in time plus 1 1/2 hours dive time) at $25 per > hour, that equals $200 for labor, I own the property so no > rent, so far we are up to $326. for the dive, let's double > that just to make certain we cover utilities, office help, > taxes, paper clips, etc. That's a cost of $652 for 18 > people which is a little over $33 per treatment? We could > lower our prices to $35 per session and stay full all the > time 24/7 and help thousands of kids instead of hundreds. > > We could probably handle the job and eliminate all this work > and worry for you and Bill. > > Hartsoe > > > > _._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._. > Join the International Hyperbaric Medical Association http://www.hyperbaricmedicalassociation.org/docs/JOIN_Friends_Apr04.pdf > > EPSDT decisions http://healthlaw.org/pubs/200308.epsdtdocket.html > > Unrestricted downloads of 50+ pdf files on HBOT efficacy medicaid/files/ , 2/files/ and http://www.drneubauerhbo.com/papers.htm > > Download your state EPSDT program http://www.hcfa.gov/medicaid/stateplan/Map.asp by doing a search on the word " ameliorate " . State Medicaid websites http://www.medi-cal.ca.gov/RelSites_Oth_States.asp . Medicaid waiver programs: http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Villa/1029/medicaid.html > > Find a hyperbaric clinic http://www.netnet.net/mums/hbolistAK-FL.htm, http://www.netnet.net/mums/hbolistGA-NC.htm, http://www.netnet.net/mums/hbolistOH-WI.htm > > HBOT can save billions of dollars and millions of heartaches. Subscribe to by sending a blank email to mailto:medicaid-subscribe > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2004 Report Share Posted November 15, 2004 Dear Hartsoe, Can I just say - I love you. I'm finally getting caught up on email and have been going through all the HBO discussions and posts. I can't even say that I agree with you completely because that would not do you justice so instead - Mr. hartsoe, I love you :-)) rhartsoe <rhartsoe@...> wrote: And a phone call from a father last > week whose daughter started having seizures after she'd > been treated 100 straight times with no breaks also tells > me the same thing. All depends on the child and why > establishing protocols are so important and using common > sense, just like in any medical procedure. Seizures > certainly don't make for a perfect record. Define > 'perfect record'. Of course, COMMON SENSE is the key. And 100 sessions without a break is certainly not common sense. > $200 per session for $7 worth of oxygen. Yeap, some > charge $150 and others way more and some less. What a > hospital charges is pure rape ($1500/$2000 for 30 > minutes). As anyone knows there are overhead charges > that have to be paid for; CHTs, doctor's attention and > expertise, electricity, training, scheduling services, > phones, etc. No one gets rich with hyperbarics. This is > truly a service medical field and not one you go into > thinking you'll buy a boat from the 'profits'. We break even at $50 per treatment after paying all the expenses you just mentioned. So if we were charging $150 per session instead of $50, we would be making a profit of $4,000 on a client. We just sent 5 clients home from this session today. That means we would have made $20,000 in the 3 weeks they were here. I could buy a boat on that and take the 4th week off this month to use it. What about a center in Florida who charges $200 per treatment and has 11 monoplace chambers? That equals $2200 per dive (11 dives) (about 2 hours) and $8800 for an 8 hour day. I beleive that would buy a bigger boat. However, they take off Sat. and Sunday so it is only $44,000 per week. Too bad. It would probably take a few weeks to pay off a yacht. Opps, I forgot to deduct the costs of operating. At $50 per dive, that would be $2200 per day or $11,000 per week which would only leave a profit of $33,000 for the week??????? OK, let's figure another $3000 for an extra doctor and another $3000 for 3 very high paid techs just to have them there, still leaves $27,000 and the need to spend some money on an accountant to find some tax shelters. whoops, I forgot that the chambers probably aren't full all the time because not everyone is willing to pay that much for treatments, so let'sfigure a 50% occupancy rate and now we are down to $13,500 profit per week which is only $675,000.00 profit which is still going to require a good accountant and maybe a smaller yacht. > We provided a turn-key business operation for a 18-person > multiplace that could have run 24/7 and provided services > to 5 hospitals and were turned down. Why? Because the new > head of the medical facility didn't believe in > hyperbarics and didn't want to share with the other > hospitals. Politics! Bah humbug! *smile* So a brand > new 1.5 million dollar chamber sits idle. Give me this chamber for Miracle Mountain and I will show you how to do thousands of treatments for $50 per session and still break even. In fact, I think I could lower the rates with a chamber that size. Let's see: 18 clients using $7 oxygen each = $126 plus the cost of an inside tech, an RN, an outside tech, and a backup tech for 2 hours (1/2 hour check-in time plus 1 1/2 hours dive time) at $25 per hour, that equals $200 for labor, I own the property so no rent, so far we are up to $326. for the dive, let's double that just to make certain we cover utilities, office help, taxes, paper clips, etc. That's a cost of $652 for 18 people which is a little over $33 per treatment? We could lower our prices to $35 per session and stay full all the time 24/7 and help thousands of kids instead of hundreds. We could probably handle the job and eliminate all this work and worry for you and Bill. Hartsoe _._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._._. Join the International Hyperbaric Medical Association http://www.hyperbaricmedicalassociation.org/docs/JOIN_Friends_Apr04.pdf EPSDT decisions http://healthlaw.org/pubs/200308.epsdtdocket.html Unrestricted downloads of 50+ pdf files on HBOT efficacy medicaid/files/ , 2/files/ and http://www.drneubauerhbo.com/papers.htm Download your state EPSDT program http://www.hcfa.gov/medicaid/stateplan/Map.asp by doing a search on the word " ameliorate " . State Medicaid websites http://www.medi-cal.ca.gov/RelSites_Oth_States.asp . Medicaid waiver programs: http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Villa/1029/medicaid.html Find a hyperbaric clinic http://www.netnet.net/mums/hbolistAK-FL.htm, http://www.netnet.net/mums/hbolistGA-NC.htm, http://www.netnet.net/mums/hbolistOH-WI.htm HBOT can save billions of dollars and millions of heartaches. Subscribe to by sending a blank email to mailto:medicaid-subscribe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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