Re: Hyperbaric oxygen training in medical schools

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Dr. Hart, please excuse this country boys ignorance, but I do not see anything about hyperbarics mentioned in any of these courses. Example: A. Orientation courses for practicing physcians.

Where does it say Orientation Hyperbaric courses? Or are there subtitles that are missing? Or is there a main hyperbaric category that these fall under. Just trying to understand for my own information.

I think the whole point that and everyone else is trying to understand, Dr. Hart, is simply this. Why is a therapy that is so good at delivering Oxygen that it prevents amputations in the case of gangrene, not touted as absolutely phenomenal by the medical profession. And why must a diabetic wait until gangrene sets in before getting HBOT reimbursed by Medicaid, when it could, in fact, prevent it to begin with? We recently treated two stroke patients that was sent to us by local MD's who thought it would "show us up" and now they are amazed at the results we produced in only 3 weeks. In turn, these two patients avoided thousands of dollars of additional health care costs as a result of getting hbot. Whoops!!!! Did I hear a bell ring? We are all trying to understand why and how ignorance can be so prominent in a profession that has so much training available to it and that should become extremely excited about helping their clients (patients)?

And why is it, when we ask these questions, that we do not get answers?

Still looking for answers, I am

Hartsoe

Children's Hyperbaric ative at Miracle Mountain

P.S.: If it were not for taking up so much time, I would have mentioned the children and adults with brain injury and unable to walk, that after spending years under the medical professions care without results, came for hbot and walked for the first time after only 3 weeks of hbot. I have the evidence, the witnesses, etc. but then, I understand, it is only anecdotal and doesn't mean anything, so I will not mention it.

[ ] Hyperbaric oxygen training in medical schools

Mister Freels: You have been misinformed - the University of California, Irvine has supported and publisized the following types of instruction: 1. Post-graduate: A. Orientation courses for practicing physcians: periodically each year commencing in 1971 and continues to this date. B. Two week orientation for interns and residents - an elective choice to the physician. C. A one year fellowship to compliment a residency in emergency medicine.Past participants in this program are directors of active Hyperbaric Medicine programs in the United States. 2. Undergraduate: A. Second year medical students at their election spend one-half day a week for three months under the tutilage of the Director and the Director Emeritus - both having professorial appointments with the University of California (over twenty years). The elder's appointment was established in 1968. B. Senior medical students may elect a two week full time rotation during their elective period. We are saddened by your misinformation and hopefully this will bring you and the participants our efforts in teaching. GB Hart MD FACS Memorial Medical Center Long Beach California University of California, Irvine

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Dr. Hart:

You're not suggesting the wonderful program at UCI is the rule rather

than the exception, are you?

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Originally From: gbabehart@...

Subject: [ ] Hyperbaric oxygen training in medical

schools

Date: 12/01/2001 01:11pm

Mister Freels:

You have been misinformed - the University of California, Irvine has

supported and publisized the following types of instruction:

1. Post-graduate:

A. Orientation courses for practicing physcians: periodically

each

year commencing in 1971 and continues to this date.

B. Two week orientation for interns and residents - an

elective choice

to the physician.

C. A one year fellowship to compliment a residency in

emergency

medicine.Past participants in this program are directors of active

Hyperbaric

Medicine programs in the United States.

2. Undergraduate:

A. Second year medical students at their election spend one-

half day a

week for three months under the tutilage of the Director and the

Director

Emeritus - both having professorial appointments with the University

of

California (over twenty years). The elder's appointment was

established in

1968.

B. Senior medical students may elect a two week full time

rotation

during their elective period.

We are saddened by your misinformation and hopefully this will bring

you and

the participants our efforts in teaching.

GB Hart MD FACS

Memorial Medical Center Long Beach California

University of California, Irvine

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Dear Dr Hart,

My husband, Dr Underwood MD,DO,JD and myself all took the courses at

long Beach Memorial Hospital and is accredited to U. of Irivine. The course

was geared toward wound care. We enjoyed it. We all plan on taking this

course again.

CHT

rhartsoe wrote:

Dr.

Hart, please excuse this country boys ignorance, but I do not see anything

about hyperbarics mentioned in any of these courses. Example:

A. Orientation courses for practicing physcians.Where

does it say Orientation Hyperbaric courses? Or are there subtitles

that are missing? Or is there a main hyperbaric category that these

fall under. Just trying to understand for my own information. I

think the whole point that and everyone else is trying to understand,

Dr. Hart, is simply this. Why is a therapy that is so good

at delivering Oxygen that it prevents amputations in the case of gangrene,

not touted as absolutely phenomenal by the medical profession. And

why must a diabetic wait until gangrene sets in before getting HBOT reimbursed

by Medicaid, when it could, in fact, prevent it to begin with? We

recently treated two stroke patients that was sent to us by local MD's

who thought it would "show us up" and now they are amazed at the results

we produced in only 3 weeks. In turn, these two patients avoided

thousands of dollars of additional health care costs as a result of getting

hbot. Whoops!!!! Did I hear a bell ring? We are all trying to understand

why and how ignorance can be so prominent in a profession that has so much

training available to it and that should become extremely excited about

helping their clients (patients)? And

why is it, when we ask these questions, that we do not get answers? Still

looking for answers, I am

HartsoeChildren's Hyperbaric

ative at Miracle Mountain P.S.:

If it were not for taking up so much time, I would have mentioned the children

and adults with brain injury and unable to walk, that after spending years

under the medical professions care without results, came for hbot and walked

for the first time after only 3 weeks of hbot. I have the evidence,

the witnesses, etc. but then, I understand, it is only anecdotal and doesn't

mean anything, so I will not mention it.

[ ] Hyperbaric

oxygen training in medical schools

Mister Freels:

You have been misinformed

- the University of California, Irvine has supported and publisized the

following types of instruction:

1. Post-graduate:

A. Orientation courses for practicing physcians: periodically each

year commencing in 1971 and continues to this date.

B. Two week orientation for interns and residents - an elective

choice to the physician.

C. A one year fellowship to compliment a residency in emergency medicine.Past

participants in this program are directors of active Hyperbaric Medicine

programs in the United States.

2. Undergraduate:

A. Second year medical students at their election spend one-half

day a week for three months under the tutilage of the Director and the

Director Emeritus - both having professorial appointments with the University

of California (over twenty years). The elder's appointment was established

in 1968.

B. Senior medical students may elect a two week full time rotation

during their elective period.

We are saddened by your misinformation

and hopefully this will bring you and the participants our efforts in teaching.

GB Hart MD FACS

Memorial Medical Center

Long Beach California

University of California,

Irvine

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[ ] Hyperbaric oxygen training in

> > medical schools

> > Mister Freels:

> >

> > You have been misinformed - the University of California,

> > Irvine has supported and publisized the following types of

> > instruction:

> > 1. Post-graduate:

> > A. Orientation courses for practicing physcians:

> > periodically each year commencing in 1971 and continues to

> > this date.

> > B. Two week orientation for interns and residents - an

> > elective choice to the physician.

> > C. A one year fellowship to compliment a residency in

> > emergency medicine.Past participants in this program are

> > directors of active Hyperbaric Medicine programs in the

> > United States.

> > 2. Undergraduate:

> > A. Second year medical students at their election

> > spend one-half day a week for three months under the

> > tutilage of the Director and the Director Emeritus - both

> > having professorial appointments with the University of

> > California (over twenty years). The elder's appointment was

> > established in 1968.

> > B. Senior medical students may elect a two week full

> > time rotation during their elective period.

> >

> > We are saddened by your misinformation and hopefully this

> > will bring you and the participants our efforts in teaching.

> >

> > GB Hart MD FACS

> > Memorial Medical Center Long Beach California

> > University of California, Irvine

> >

> >

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>Mister Freels:

>

>You have been misinformed - the University of California, Irvine has

>supported and publisized the following types of instruction:

>1. Post-graduate:

> A. Orientation courses for practicing physcians: periodically each

>year commencing in 1971 and continues to this date.

> B. Two week orientation for interns and residents - an elective

>choice to the physician.

> C. A one year fellowship to compliment a residency in emergency

>medicine.Past participants in this program are directors of active

>Hyperbaric Medicine programs in the United States.

>2. Undergraduate:

> A. Second year medical students at their election spend one-half

>day a week for three months under the tutilage of the Director and the

>Director Emeritus - both having professorial appointments with the

>University of California (over twenty years). The elder's appointment was

>established in 1968.

> B. Senior medical students may elect a two week full time rotation

>during their elective period.

>

>We are saddened by your misinformation and hopefully this will bring you

>and the participants our efforts in teaching.

>

>GB Hart MD FACS

>Memorial Medical Center Long Beach California

>University of California, Irvine

Hello Dr. Hart,

I am so glad you are part of this forum. It is good to hear from you.

To your point, what I should have said is that a basic, fundamental course

on Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy is not a mandatory requirement for every first

year medical student.

Example: My younger brother is a orthopedic surgeon but was unfamiliar with

HBOT. He had heard of it but that was all. I have since educated him some.

However, because his elder peers don't utilize HBOT and since he's still in

the early years of his career, he's hesitant to step out and prescribe HBOT.

Thank you for clarifying my misinformation.

So what did you think of the UHMS ethics report and the fact that it's been

withheld from the public for nearly 2 1/2 years?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

" I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form

of tyranny over the mind of man. " -- Jefferson, probably an early

advocate of Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy.

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The Medical Center in Long Beach deserves a commendation for its efforts to

teach HBO. Sadly however, training hyperbaricists is on such a small scale

nationally that it is difficult to find truing facilities. Perhaps the Armed

Services could step up their training programs, especially the Navy which

seems to have de-emphasized HBO , but if the Navy is no longer able to

prioritize HBO, perhaps the U.S. Air Forcecould do so as there are numerous

applications in space pioneering

Unless the U.S. Congress becomes a prime mover I don't see anything

happening in the foreseeable future. I was in hopes Gordon's MUMs

(Mothers of brain damaged children) would be able to stimulate national

interest, or that the action of the Texas legislature, or that the

establishment of International Hyperbaric Medical Association, but

brain-damaged individuals are unfortunate, that it is they who are being

discriminated against by lack of any positive actions. Captain Manson

USN Ret.

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Dear , all excellent questions and the world of hyperbarics wonders how

something as wonderful as life-giving and life-preserving HBO can be so

skillfully kept from the general public and the mass medic. Manson

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[ ] Hyperbaric oxygen training in medical schools

Mister Freels:

You have been misinformed - the University of California, Irvine has

supported and publisized the following types of instruction:

1. Post-graduate:

A. Orientation courses for practicing physcians: periodically each

year commencing in 1971 and continues to this date.

B. Two week orientation for interns and residents - an elective

choice to the physician.

C. A one year fellowship to compliment a residency in emergency

medicine.Past participants in this program are directors of active Hyperbaric

Medicine programs in the United States.

2. Undergraduate:

A. Second year medical students at their election spend one-half day

a week for three months under the tutilage of the Director and the Director

Emeritus - both having professorial appointments with the University of

California (over twenty years). The elder's appointment was established in 1968.

B. Senior medical students may elect a two week full time rotation

during their elective period.

We are saddened by your misinformation and hopefully this will bring you

and the participants our efforts in teaching.

GB Hart MD FACS

Memorial Medical Center Long Beach California

University of California, Irvine

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[ ] Hyperbaric oxygen training in medical schools

Mister Freels:

You have been misinformed - the University of California, Irvine has

supported and publisized the following types of instruction:

1. Post-graduate:

A. Orientation courses for practicing physcians: periodically each

year commencing in 1971 and continues to this date.

B. Two week orientation for interns and residents - an elective choice

to the physician.

C. A one year fellowship to compliment a residency in emergency

medicine.Past participants in this program are directors of active Hyperbaric

Medicine programs in the United States.

2. Undergraduate:

A. Second year medical students at their election spend one-half day a

week for three months under the tutilage of the Director and the Director

Emeritus - both having professorial appointments with the University of

California (over twenty years). The elder's appointment was established in 1968.

B. Senior medical students may elect a two week full time rotation

during their elective period.

We are saddened by your misinformation and hopefully this will bring you and

the participants our efforts in teaching.

GB Hart MD FACS

Memorial Medical Center Long Beach California

University of California, Irvine

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since the early 90's Keep your eye on Dr Harch. In the mean time, Learn and

Learn. Apply all aspects of safety. It will be a slow climb to the top. As

Physical therapy was consider to be nothing 20 years ago, it is now paid for

by most Insurance co. So will HBOT in the next few years. Stay Focused!

Again, I want to publicly thank Dr Harch.

Re: [ ] Hyperbaric oxygen training in medical

schools

The Medical Center in Long Beach deserves a commendation for its efforts to

teach HBO. Sadly however, training hyperbaricists is on such a small scale

nationally that it is difficult to find truing facilities. Perhaps the

Armed

Services could step up their training programs, especially the Navy which

seems to have de-emphasized HBO , but if the Navy is no longer able to

prioritize HBO, perhaps the U.S. Air Forcecould do so as there are numerous

applications in space pioneering

Unless the U.S. Congress becomes a prime mover I don't see anything

happening in the foreseeable future. I was in hopes Gordon's MUMs

(Mothers of brain damaged children) would be able to stimulate national

interest, or that the action of the Texas legislature, or that the

establishment of International Hyperbaric Medical Association, but

brain-damaged individuals are unfortunate, that it is they who are being

discriminated against by lack of any positive actions. Captain Manson

USN Ret.

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Re: [ ] Hyperbaric oxygen training in medical

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The Medical Center in Long Beach deserves a commendation for its efforts to

teach HBO. Sadly however, training hyperbaricists is on such a small scale

nationally that it is difficult to find truing facilities. Perhaps the

Armed

Services could step up their training programs, especially the Navy which

seems to have de-emphasized HBO , but if the Navy is no longer able to

prioritize HBO, perhaps the U.S. Air Forcecould do so as there are numerous

applications in space pioneering

Unless the U.S. Congress becomes a prime mover I don't see anything

happening in the foreseeable future. I was in hopes Gordon's MUMs

(Mothers of brain damaged children) would be able to stimulate national

interest, or that the action of the Texas legislature, or that the

establishment of International Hyperbaric Medical Association, but

brain-damaged individuals are unfortunate, that it is they who are being

discriminated against by lack of any positive actions. Captain Manson

USN Ret.

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[ ] Hyperbaric oxygen training in medical schools

Mister Freels:

You have been misinformed - the University of California, Irvine has

supported and publisized the following types of instruction:

1. Post-graduate:

A. Orientation courses for practicing physcians: periodically each

year commencing in 1971 and continues to this date.

B. Two week orientation for interns and residents - an elective

choice to the physician.

C. A one year fellowship to compliment a residency in emergency

medicine.Past participants in this program are directors of active Hyperbaric

Medicine programs in the United States.

2. Undergraduate:

A. Second year medical students at their election spend one-half day

a week for three months under the tutilage of the Director and the Director

Emeritus - both having professorial appointments with the University of

California (over twenty years). The elder's appointment was established in 1968.

B. Senior medical students may elect a two week full time rotation

during their elective period.

We are saddened by your misinformation and hopefully this will bring you

and the participants our efforts in teaching.

GB Hart MD FACS

Memorial Medical Center Long Beach California

University of California, Irvine

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> schools

> Date: 12/01/2001 01:11pm

>

>

> Mister Freels:

>

> You have been misinformed - the University of California, Irvine has

> supported and publisized the following types of instruction:

> 1. Post-graduate:

> A. Orientation courses for practicing physcians: periodically

> each

> year commencing in 1971 and continues to this date.

> B. Two week orientation for interns and residents - an

> elective choice

> to the physician.

> C. A one year fellowship to compliment a residency in

> emergency

> medicine.Past participants in this program are directors of active

> Hyperbaric

> Medicine programs in the United States.

> 2. Undergraduate:

> A. Second year medical students at their election spend one-

> half day a

> week for three months under the tutilage of the Director and the

> Director

> Emeritus - both having professorial appointments with the University

> of

> California (over twenty years). The elder's appointment was

> established in

> 1968.

> B. Senior medical students may elect a two week full time

> rotation

> during their elective period.

>

> We are saddened by your misinformation and hopefully this will bring

> you and

> the participants our efforts in teaching.

>

> GB Hart MD FACS

> Memorial Medical Center Long Beach California

> University of California, Irvine

>

>

>

>

>

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