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That's very interesting . According to Jan Kwasniewski, a Polish

biochemist, if you eat more protein than you need it is converted to energy

(rather expensively). Here is his website:

http://homodiet.netfirms.com/

You are supposed to calculate your protein requirements based on height, and

then eat fat and carbohydrate in proportion to that protein level. It is a very

complicated diet until you get used to it!

It is basically a high fat diet as he believes that is the most efficient and

healthiest way to produce energy. I did try this diet for a time, but found it

was not satiating enough. In other words, I still felt hungry on the allowed

amount of foods. However, at that time I didn't realise I needed to supplement

with H Cl, so I probably wasn't getting the energy out of my food.

It is strange the books says high protein diets cause diarrhoea. I find just

the opposite.

Miriam

> I have just recently read Broda ' book and in the chapter on

> " the thyroid and obesity " I found something very interesting, given the fact

that most diet plans are " protein-heavy " .....

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A fine idea Stacey - so go to the Chat Forum and start the

thread on What Food is Good and What's Not!

Luv - Sheila

Just a thought - there is so much advice floating around about diets and foods

to omit or eat more of.

How about if maybe in the chat section if not in this one, people could give

their run down of a typical day of meals and how it may have helped them to

either lose weight or help them to not put any more on etc.

I know we are all different but it sometimes helps walking through a process with

someone. Of course there will be people with allergies etc but it might help

some people to know that there are ways.

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Hi Stacey, Before the wonderful TSH ( NOT)was invented high cholesterol levels were part of the protocol for iof thyroid disease> thyroid treatment > From: stacey57@...> Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 20:53:18 +0000> Subject: Re: T3> > Yes - about 7 yrs ago they were 8.4 - I think that last time they were about 7.2. So pretty high!> STacey> > > >> > You probably DO have high cholesterol level Stacey. This happens in a lot of> > people with hypothyroidism. If your blood results show you have high> > cholesterol level, then this is unlikely to be a mistook!> > > > Luv - Sheila> > >> > > > > ------------------------------------> > TPA is not medically qualified. Consult with a qualified medical practitioner before changing medication.> >

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Good Morning, I have hypothyroid and I am on T3 and T4. I am also Community Staff Nurse and I am not told lies by the powers that be. I educated myself on the different hypo drugs thanks to your web site. My GP is also a thyroid sufferer and is exremely good and willing to listen. Please don`t judge us all the same.

Gwenn Gwenn A Gibson

From: Sheila <sheila@...>thyroid treatment Sent: Thu, 2 September, 2010 17:36:54Subject: RE: Re: T3

Problem is Stacey, that ALL NHS staff, nurses, doctors etc have to be seen to be following the RCP, BTA guideline/guidance/statement (call it what you will as they don't seem to know what it is). Should they fail to do so, they are afraid of being taken to task. They are told so many lies by the powers that be that they don't honestly know what's the truth and what is not. The fact that she believes a free T4 of 12 in a ref range of 11 to 20 is good, just shows how little she knows about thyroid hormone replacement. Had you not been taking any thyroid hormone, it is expected a person's free T4 should be just above the centre of the reference range, so in such a case, that would be around 15 or 16. If, on the other hand, a person IS taking thyroid hormone replacement, then their FT4 would be expected to be well into the upper third of the reference range, so in such a case would be expected

to be 17 to 19. As it is, you are just one point from the bottom of the range.

Many sufferers of hypothyroidism have a high cholesterol caused through their slow metabolism. Slow metabolism causes cholesterol plaques to build up in the blood vessels. Once on the correct thyroid hormone replacement, their metabolism speeds up and their cholesterol levels fall. Meanwhile, do NOT take any Stains offered. They can cause great harm. Instead, use high doses of Niacin (e.g. 300mgs daily) and high dose CoEnzyme Q10 (e.g. 350mgs daily).

Sadly, this is why so many people who get their health back do so because they have been left with no option but to take their health into their own hands.

luv - Sheila

ANyway the conversation went on when I told her that I had been asked to reduce my thyroxine etc the other week and how it had made me feel last week etc expecting some sympathetic mutterings and she looked at my last blood tests and said my TSH was within range and my T4 at 12 (11-20) was good as it was in range - and my FREE T3 was 5.2 said that was exactly normal. She then went onto say but did I know that my cholesterol was high - well yes I did and explained that it had been for about 10 yrs and I thought it may be to do with the thyroid issues (as I have always had a healthy lifestyle) etc - she said maybe you need some help with that and I said that I was not taking statins and she said no not if I didn't want to - but I can leave you a booklet out - I said I already knew about oats etc and I did eat healthy - but she went onto to say about healthy oils etc and I sort of stopped listening.

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Hi Gwen, never, never, never do we judge all doctors and nurses

the same and we make this clear throughout our messages.

I am really pleased that you are working with a doctor who is

extremely good and willing to listen and I am delighted that you educated yourself

on the different hypo drugs. Thank goodness for doctors such as yours and long

may he last. There are a lot of them about - but we need all doctors to be the

same. Some are excellent in diagnosing and treating most other diseases, but

sadly, the reason for Thyroid Patient Advocacy is that there also a lot of doctors

who know little or nothing about hypothyroidism. They do not know how to

properly diagnose this condition and do not know how to treat it, apart from

using levothyroxine only - because that is what the 'establishment' tells them

they must do.

All those 'uneducated in hypothyroidism' doctors rely ONLY on the

results of thyroid function tests to either diagnose or treat. As you will read

more and more on this forum, many of our members have been told by their doctor

that they would love to be able to give them a diagnosis as they know they are

suffering with the symptoms of hypothyroidism, but their TFT's are within the

normal range, or - that they would love to give them a trial of Liothyronine

(T3) in combination with their levothyroxine (T4) - but because of the

guidelines/guidance/statement by the RCP, BTA et al, they dare not. Many

doctors tell their patients they cannot risk losing their livelihood and

career.

You will also learn how many such doctors will make excuses for

their patient's symptoms, often to the point of being quite insulting in often

a very arrogant manner, and they refuse to listen to their patients. I will not

make excuses for such doctors, my personal thoughts are that they should sent

on a years sabbatical to study the workings of the greater thyroid system

before being allowed to practice. There are over 250,000 sufferers of the

symptoms of hypothyroidism being left to suffer so unnecessarily without the

treatment that would give them their optimal health again.

However, none of us must forgot those doctors who devote their

lives to their patients and go that extra mile to help them - they are out

there, but it is getting more and more difficult to find them. Thanks for letting

us know views Gwenn.

I am delighted that our web site has been able to help you.

Luv - Sheila

Good Morning, I have hypothyroid and I am on T3 and T4. I am

also Community Staff Nurse and I am not told lies by the powers that

be. I educated myself on the different hypo drugs thanks to your web site. My

GP is also a thyroid sufferer and is exremely good and willing to listen.

Please don`t judge us all the same.

Gwenn

Gwenn A Gibson

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Well you seem to be one of the lucky ones!! When I did the research and took it

to my then endoprat (now chair of the BTA I believe)it was dismissed out of hand

and I was told in no uncertain terms that the BTA and BTF were the ONLY places

on the internet with accurate information!!

This was a lie,and she knew it.

The nurses at the clinic made sympathetic noises but what good is that when the

'powers that be' ignore your suffering and refuse to help?

As for GPs they don't know enough about it and are scared to learn in case they

lose their well - paid jobs. The scary thing is that hypo affects everyone

differently and even if a GP or endo has it not always follows that they need to

do anything but take the cheap, synthetic crap T4.

In my personal view, the further we get away from natural medicine, i.e. using

plant derived medications, the nearer we get to mechanical, computerised doctors

with no variation in treatment for anyone.

The future frightens me that people will be killed by doctors who just care

about their bank balance, not their patients!!

And yes, I am generalising, but based on real encounters with doctors / endos /

other health 'professionals' plus information from other people who have had

similar experiences with them.

Glynis

> Good Morning, I have hypothyroid and I am on T3 and T4. I am also  Community

> Staff Nurse and I am not told lies by the powers that be. I educated myself

on

> the different hypo drugs thanks to your web site. My GP is also a thyroid

> sufferer and is exremely good and willing to listen. Please don`t judge us all

> the same.

> Gwenn

>  Gwenn A Gibson

>

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Thanks for your reply Sheila. Although I am on 100mcgs T4 and 30mcgs T3 I am going to try Armour Thyroid as it has all the hormones I need. I am 3 stones overweight and have been since diagnosis. I was 10st 4lbs and within 5months I was 13st 6lbs. I am hopeing that the natural thyroid will help with the weight loss. According to your conversion chart my T4 + T3 = 2grains of Armour, can I just go ahead and start on that or do I take 1grn and work up from there.

Gwenn Gwenn A Gibson

From: Sheila <sheila@...>thyroid treatment Sent: Sat, 4 September, 2010 9:16:38Subject: RE: Re: T3

Hi Gwen, never, never, never do we judge all doctors and nurses the same and we make this clear throughout our messages.

I am really pleased that you are working with a doctor who is extremely good and willing to listen and I am delighted that you educated yourself on the different hypo drugs. Thank goodness for doctors such as yours and long may he last. There are a lot of them about - but we need all doctors to be the same. Some are excellent in diagnosing and treating most other diseases, but sadly, the reason for Thyroid Patient Advocacy is that there also a lot of doctors who know little or nothing about hypothyroidism. They do not know how to properly diagnose this condition and do not know how to treat it, apart from using levothyroxine only - because that is what the 'establishment' tells them they must do.

All those 'uneducated in hypothyroidism' doctors rely ONLY on the results of thyroid function tests to either diagnose or treat. As you will read more and more on this forum, many of our members have been told by their doctor that they would love to be able to give them a diagnosis as they know they are suffering with the symptoms of hypothyroidism, but their TFT's are within the normal range, or - that they would love to give them a trial of Liothyronine (T3) in combination with their levothyroxine (T4) - but because of the guidelines/guidance/statement by the RCP, BTA et al, they dare not. Many doctors tell their patients they cannot risk losing their livelihood and career.

You will also learn how many such doctors will make excuses for their patient's symptoms, often to the point of being quite insulting in often a very arrogant manner, and they refuse to listen to their patients. I will not make excuses for such doctors, my personal thoughts are that they should sent on a years sabbatical to study the workings of the greater thyroid system before being allowed to practice. There are over 250,000 sufferers of the symptoms of hypothyroidism being left to suffer so unnecessarily without the treatment that would give them their optimal health again.

However, none of us must forgot those doctors who devote their lives to their patients and go that extra mile to help them - they are out there, but it is getting more and more difficult to find them. Thanks for letting us know views Gwenn.

I am delighted that our web site has been able to help you.

Luv - Sheila

Good Morning, I have hypothyroid and I am on T3 and T4. I am also Community Staff Nurse and I am not told lies by the powers that be. I educated myself on the different hypo drugs thanks to your web site. My GP is also a thyroid sufferer and is exremely good and willing to listen. Please don`t judge us all the same.

Gwenn

Gwenn A Gibson

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Hi Gwenn - to be on the safe side, and because natural thyroid

extract also has the active T2 and T1, I would start on 1 grain and stay with

that for 7 days and then increase by another half grain and stay on that for 3

weeks and keep raising in this way until you get the symptoms of

hyperthyroidism. Even though many doctors will rely on blood test results -

these really give a false picture for those on any T3 containing products and

it is how you feel, not what shows on a piece of paper.

However, have you done the three medical questionnaires in our

FILES section. Scroll down until you find this FOLDER and do the Adrenal,

Candida and magnesium questionnaire. Then go to the ADRENALS folder and do the

'Home Testing' and see the results. If you score high, then you should get some

form of adrenal glandulars and we recommend the Nutri Adrenal glandulars -

available from Nutri Ltd where you get 33% discount if you are a TPA member.

Just follow the instructions re ordering.

When you stop your synthetic T4 and T3, start the Nutri Adrenal

Extra the next day by taking 1 tablet first thing in a morning with food. After

7 to 10 days, add another NAE with lunch. You can start taking your 1 grain of

Armour about day 7. This boosts your adrenals so the thyroid extract has a

better chance of getting into the cells. Hopefully, you should feel an amazing

difference. Remember also to split your dose twice daily because the T3 has

such a short half life and you feel the effect of it leaving your body after

about 6 to 8 hours.

Since Forest Pharmaceuticals changed the formulae of Armour at

the beginning of last year, some of us had problems in with a lack of potency,

but this is because they removed some of the de4xstrose and added more

cellulose. You can get over this by chewing the tablets to break down the

cellulose. This is working fine for a lot of us.

Taking high doses of vitamin C (4/5000mgs), Siberian Ginseng and

liquorice also helps boost adrenals.

Check with your GP also that you have good levels of ferritin,

vitamin B12, vitamin D3, magnesium, folate, copper and zinc. If any of these

are low in the ref. range no amount of thyroid hormone can be utilised fully by

the cells.

Gwenn, please will you remember to delete all previous messages

before clicking 'Send' and leave just a portion of what you are responding to.

Many thanks

Luv - Sheila

Although I am on 100mcgs T4 and 30mcgs T3 I am going to

try Armour Thyroid as it has all the hormones I need. I am 3 stones overweight

and have been since diagnosis. I was 10st 4lbs and within 5months I was

13st 6lbs. I am hoping that the natural thyroid will help with the weight loss.

According to your conversion chart my T4 + T3 = 2grains of Armour, can I

just go ahead and start on that or do I take 1grn and work up from there.

Gwenn

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Hi Gwen, As you are already taking 30mcg T3 is is OK to do a straight swap to Armour. 2 grains is a reasonable starting point, but 3 grains is closer to what you are already taking- 27mcg T3 and 114 T4, but best to be sure and start with the lower dose, but be aware you will probably need to increase. thyroid treatment From: gwenngibson@...Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 04:22:43 +0000Subject: Re: Re: T3

Thanks for your reply Sheila. Although I am on 100mcgs T4 and 30mcgs T3 I am going to try Armour Thyroid as it has all the hormones I need. I am 3 stones overweight and have been since diagnosis. I was 10st 4lbs and within 5months I was 13st 6lbs. I am hopeing that the natural thyroid will help with the weight loss. According to your conversion chart my T4 + T3 = 2grains of Armour, can I just go ahead and start on that or do I take 1grn and work up from there.

Gwenn Gwenn A Gibson

From: Sheila <sheila@...>thyroid treatment Sent: Sat, 4 September, 2010 9:16:38Subject: RE: Re: T3

Hi Gwen, never, never, never do we judge all doctors and nurses the same and we make this clear throughout our messages.

I am really pleased that you are working with a doctor who is extremely good and willing to listen and I am delighted that you educated yourself on the different hypo drugs. Thank goodness for doctors such as yours and long may he last. There are a lot of them about - but we need all doctors to be the same. Some are excellent in diagnosing and treating most other diseases, but sadly, the reason for Thyroid Patient Advocacy is that there also a lot of doctors who know little or nothing about hypothyroidism. They do not know how to properly diagnose this condition and do not know how to treat it, apart from using levothyroxine only - because that is what the 'establishment' tells them they must do.

All those 'uneducated in hypothyroidism' doctors rely ONLY on the results of thyroid function tests to either diagnose or treat. As you will read more and more on this forum, many of our members have been told by their doctor that they would love to be able to give them a diagnosis as they know they are suffering with the symptoms of hypothyroidism, but their TFT's are within the normal range, or - that they would love to give them a trial of Liothyronine (T3) in combination with their levothyroxine (T4) - but because of the guidelines/guidance/statement by the RCP, BTA et al, they dare not. Many doctors tell their patients they cannot risk losing their livelihood and career.

You will also learn how many such doctors will make excuses for their patient's symptoms, often to the point of being quite insulting in often a very arrogant manner, and they refuse to listen to their patients. I will not make excuses for such doctors, my personal thoughts are that they should sent on a years sabbatical to study the workings of the greater thyroid system before being allowed to practice. There are over 250,000 sufferers of the symptoms of hypothyroidism being left to suffer so unnecessarily without the treatment that would give them their optimal health again.

However, none of us must forgot those doctors who devote their lives to their patients and go that extra mile to help them - they are out there, but it is getting more and more difficult to find them. Thanks for letting us know views Gwenn.

I am delighted that our web site has been able to help you.

Luv - Sheila

Good Morning, I have hypothyroid and I am on T3 and T4. I am also Community Staff Nurse and I am not told lies by the powers that be. I educated myself on the different hypo drugs thanks to your web site. My GP is also a thyroid sufferer and is exremely good and willing to listen. Please don`t judge us all the same.

Gwenn

Gwenn A Gibson

[Guest guest]

A mate of mine tried it & felt really bad. Just 25mcg, but he's had several

Heart Attacks.

I use T3 only & feel great. Just 50mcg a day.

I've taken up to 200mcg a day & felt very little difference, just had shaky

hands.

>

> This is the first time I have posted, but has anyone tried T3 and it has made

them feel worse, even though you are taking nutri thyroid

>

[Guest guest]

T3 can set off the myocardial adreno-receptors ~ when the body has been deprived

of sufficient thyroid hormone(s) for a long time, the adreno-receptors adjust to

that circumstance and increase their reactivity to adrenalin ~ hence increasing

the T3 level too quickly doesn't give enough time for those adreno-receptors to

de-activate back to a lower level of re-activity to adrenalin.

Since the heart muscle is very sensitive to its 'nervous/neural' environment ~

any sudden changes can make it rather 'jumpy'.

Bob

>

> This is the first time I have posted, but has anyone tried T3 and it has made

them feel worse, even though you are taking nutri thyroid

>

[Guest guest]

Interesting Bob.

So should someone with a damaged heart, who tried T3 & felt bad, have another go

at a smaller dose?

>

>

> T3 can set off the myocardial adreno-receptors ~ when the body has been

deprived of sufficient thyroid hormone(s) for a long time, the adreno-receptors

adjust to that circumstance and increase their reactivity to adrenalin ~ hence

increasing the T3 level too quickly doesn't give enough time for those

adreno-receptors to de-activate back to a lower level of re-activity to

adrenalin.

>

> Since the heart muscle is very sensitive to its 'nervous/neural' environment ~

any sudden changes can make it rather 'jumpy'.

>

> Bob

[Guest guest]

Hi Ian,

Whilst I can't give medical advice ~ ask your doctor to confirm the substance of

the suggestion?

A much lower starting dose and increasing very slowly might be advisable ~ for

example a very tiny dose, in the low micrograms ( 1-2 mcg ) would give a clue as

to the immediate senstivity of the cardiac adreno-receptors.

Based on no adverse reaction to that very low dose, slowly increase, in small

steps of say, 2-3 mcg every day or so to give the receptors time to adjust to a

new situation as it arises.

Don't go past the point where your(?) cardiac adreno-receptors become too

reactive. Given sufficient time the muscle (myocytes) will recover its capacity

to deal with a realistic T3 level.

Work has already been done showing the locations in the heart where T3 causes

greater reactivity. In theory, individuals should have a

more or less similar reaction to increasing T3, but personal circumstances (as

suggested, heart attacks and the like) may make one's own sensitivity different

from another's ~ so addition of T3 needs to be done on an individualised basis

and with adequate medical supervision.

best wishes

Bob

> >

> >

> > T3 can set off the myocardial adreno-receptors ~ when the body has been

deprived of sufficient thyroid hormone(s) for a long time, the adreno-receptors

adjust to that circumstance and increase their reactivity to adrenalin ~ hence

increasing the T3 level too quickly doesn't give enough time for those

adreno-receptors to de-activate back to a lower level of re-activity to

adrenalin.

> >

> > Since the heart muscle is very sensitive to its 'nervous/neural' environment

~ any sudden changes can make it rather 'jumpy'.

> >

> > Bob

>

[Guest guest]

T3 will make you feel worse if you do not need it, have low

adrenal reserve which has not been fully treated, have low ferritin, vitamin

B12, vitamin D3, magnesium, folate, copper and zinc. Or you have systemic

candidiasis, or mercury poisoning caused through amalgam fillings. All of these

should be tested to see if any of them are low in the reference range, and if

they are, whatever you are low in should be supplemented to build up the levels

to normal. What were your last thyroid function test results Carol, and the

reference range for each of the tests done. Your doctor cannot withhold these.

Post them on the forum so we can help with the interpretation of them.

Luv - Sheila

This is the first time I have posted, but has anyone

tried T3 and it has made them feel worse, even though you are taking nutri

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Thanks Bob

It's not me, it's a mate of mine. 65yo with several Heart attacks behind him &

a whole load of problems.

I'll pass this on!

Thanks again!

>

> Hi Ian,

>

> Whilst I can't give medical advice ~ ask your doctor to confirm the substance

of the suggestion?

>

> A much lower starting dose and increasing very slowly might be advisable ~ for

example a very tiny dose, in the low micrograms ( 1-2 mcg ) would give a clue as

to the immediate senstivity of the cardiac adreno-receptors.

>

> Based on no adverse reaction to that very low dose, slowly increase, in small

steps of say, 2-3 mcg every day or so to give the receptors time to adjust to a

new situation as it arises.

>

> Don't go past the point where your(?) cardiac adreno-receptors become too

reactive. Given sufficient time the muscle (myocytes) will recover its capacity

to deal with a realistic T3 level.

>

> Work has already been done showing the locations in the heart where T3 causes

greater reactivity. In theory, individuals should have a

> more or less similar reaction to increasing T3, but personal circumstances (as

suggested, heart attacks and the like) may make one's own sensitivity different

from another's ~ so addition of T3 needs to be done on an individualised basis

and with adequate medical supervision.

>

>

> best wishes

> Bob

[Guest guest]

Hi Ali

I would not put myself through all this suffering just to ensure

that your blood tests are within an acceptable level to keep the GP happy. This

is a ridiculous situation. Instead, I would write a letter to my GP and explain

that you are perfectly happy on T3 alone, as you have decided to drop the

levothyroxine, which is a mainly INACTIVE hormone and use the ACTIVE thyroid

hormone T3 ONLY. Tell them exactly how much T3 you take and tell them the

symptoms that have improved since you started this regime. When you go for your

blood test however, please remember not to take any thyroid hormone replacement

for at least 24 hours before you get your blood drawn. T3 has a very short half

life, and peaks in the blood 2 to 4 hours after you have taken it, and doctors

get frightened at the results which likely will show your free T3 to be very

high or above the top of the reference range. Even the ex-President of the

British Thyroid Association told a GMC Panel that no thyroid medications should

be taken the morning of the thyroid function tests.

If you wish, let your GP know that - to please him - you

actually put yourself back onto the original dosage of T4 and T3 with dire

results, and that you have no intention of continuing on this dose, and that

you will be going back to taking your T3 only medication, with the dose that

you found works best.

Luv - Sheila

I have not posted for a while, but feel I

should report.

Having been diagnosed with Hashimotos 3 years ago and using Sheila's doctors

letter template, i managed to get T3/T4 medication. I do not take the T4

element and take 1 more tablet T3 than they think. Every year around this time

my doctor gives a blood form with my repeat prescription. So I have to start

taking T4 again for a few weeks before having the blood test. This does me no

good at all, I am tired, really grouchy, voice croaky,gaining weight at 2lbs

per week! all symptoms returning. This cannot be a coincidence. I cannot find

any medical reason for this, but i feel that T4 just sits around doing nothing

and making me worse just like when i had to take that alone.

Any thoughts?

Ali

x

[Guest guest]

Thanks Sheila

I am just so scared that they will take my T3 away all together! I really don't

want to rock the boat. When i did it last year i had the test only a few weeks

after restarting T4 so the levels were low and she called me in. I explained

that I had reduced to 50mcg and felt well on it and she was very sceptical and

had to write to my Endo! In the end i think it was accepted, but i just try to

avoid the doctors now in case they start interogating me and some bright spark

decides i am on the wrong medication.

Ali

x

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On Thu, 7 Oct 2010 18:12:06 +0000 (GMT), you wrote:

>does anyone take their T3... or

>some of it at bedtime ? I tried this last night and actually slept for five

>hours solid. Usually I'm waking every 30 - 40 minutes. I think I slept because

I

>hardly had any pain, and I put this down to the T3.   Any thoughts or shared

>experience of this ???   Also, does taking T3 at night have an adverse effect

on

>the adrenals ?

A bed time dose improves my sleep quality, it depends where your

adrenals are, if they are a little high then can lower it and help

sleep

If they are low that can cause you to wake from hypoglaecemia, a

little adrenal support at night can help

I spread my T3 evenly through the day and described how ti switch to

it on this page

http://www.thyroid-rt3.com/dosing.htm

Nick

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Hi , I started taking T3 alone on the amount in my NDT then after a few days as the T4level dropped I added in another 20mcg- if you're sensitive I'd add in 10mcg increments. Then increased by 10mcg increments when I felt I needed one( about a week apart) until I felt the classic hyper jitters- the backed off- it can be as little as 2.5mcg between fine and hypo or hyper. I tried taking Armour at night- but it had sufficient T3 to keep me awake- I'm normally a good sleeper so probably not the best person to ask- but if it works don't knock it! thyroid treatment From: juliamoonrock@...Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 18:12:06 +0000Subject: T3

Hi all T3-ers,

I'm just in the process of switching over from ERFA to just T3. I was on 2 1/2 tablets of ERFA and I'm fiddling with the introduction dose of T3 as I can't seem to judge it right at all. I'm speaking with Dr P next week to ask his advice re dosage, but my question to you is, does anyone take their T3... or some of it at bedtime ? I tried this last night and actually slept for five hours solid. Usually I'm waking every 30 - 40 minutes. I think I slept because I hardly had any pain, and I put this down to the T3. Any thoughts or shared experience of this ??? Also, does taking T3 at night have an adverse effect on the adrenals ?

many thanks,

julia

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On Mon, 18 Oct 2010 06:36:59 +0100 (BST), you wrote:

> So right now I feel undermedicated but unable to increase dose..............

>basically I haven't got a clue what to do next.  I know that the average T3

>patient is on at least 60mg a day...... some a lot more than that.

It takes time to get there, have a read of this

http://thyroid-rt3.com/dosing.htm

It takes many weeks to get the dose up increasing a little at a time

Nick

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Hi , If you are having tolerance problems adrenals is the first thing that springs to mind? Can you cope with the amount of T3 that is in the Erfa? Or does that send you silly too? T3 is very powerful so it can take a while for you body to get used to it and chopping and changing doses can make that worse. Choose a does that makes you feel slightly hypo- then add 2.5 mcg at a time-increasing dose not more than once a week, if it goes OK- you've got to move slowly. If you start to go whizzy then go back to the previous dose then try again a week later. thyroid treatment From: juliamoonrock@...Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 22:14:04 +0100Subject: T3

Hi there, especially T3-ers,

I'm currently trying to change over from ERFA to just T3, maybe keep a little ERFA.

But I'm having a rubbish time of it.... not being able to work out any sort of dose or slow increase in dose that doesn't make me either totally hypo or hypa.

I've tried various combo's from reducing the ERFA by 30mg and replacing with 5mg of T3 to taking just 5mg of T3 every four hours. I spoke to Dr P this week and he suggested the first option....but it's just not working.

Has anyone got a better plan ? I'm toying with the idea of just quitting the ERFA altogether, lay off everything for a few days and then just starting on a small regular dose of T3 alone.

any ideas most gratefully accepted,

julia

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Hi Hannah, I meant that you 've got to allow the body time to get used to the increases, not that you've got there as soon as you feel hyper as this may be a transitory state on your way to wellness. I was lucky as I did not have these tolerance issues, but my adrenals were well supported with prednisone. > thyroid treatment > From: juicy7779@...> Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 22:34:20 +0000> Subject: Re: T3> > Hi just wanted to ask you a quick question about your post to .> > When raising T3 you kept increasing every week or so until you felt hyper. Were you then on the full amount needed or was it just what your body could tolerate at that time and you had to leave it a while before increasing again? Does that make sense?> > What I mean is as soon as you felt hyper was that the top amount of T3 that you were on?> > I'm struggling getting my head around all this and wondering how much I would need to clear out RT3 and feel better etc so confusing!> > Many thanks> Hannah> > > >> > > > Hi ,> > I started taking T3 alone on the amount in my NDT then after a few days as the T4level dropped I added in another 20mcg- if you're sensitive I'd add in 10mcg increments. Then increased by 10mcg increments when I felt I needed one( about a week apart) until I felt the classic hyper jitters- the backed off- it can be as little as 2.5mcg between fine and hypo or hyper. I tried taking Armour at night- but it had sufficient T3 to keep me awake- I'm normally a good sleeper so probably not the best person to ask- but if it works don't knock it!> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi all T3-ers,> > > > I'm just in the process of switching over from ERFA to just T3. I was on 2 1/2 tablets of ERFA and I'm fiddling with the introduction dose of T3 as I can't seem to judge it right at all. I'm speaking with Dr P next week to ask his advice re dosage, but my question to you is, does anyone take their T3... or some of it at bedtime ? I tried this last night and actually slept for five hours solid. Usually I'm waking every 30 - 40 minutes. I think I slept because I hardly had any pain, and I put this down to the T3. Any thoughts or shared experience of this ??? Also, does taking T3 at night have an adverse effect on the adrenals ?> > > > many thanks,> > > > julia> >> > > > > ------------------------------------> > TPA is not medically qualified. Consult with a qualified medical practitioner before changing medication.> >

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On Mon, 18 Oct 2010 12:27:39 +0100 (BST), you wrote:

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>I really wanted to try and stay on the ERFA and slowly reduce while adding the

>T3, but I'm just too confused as to how to do this properly, although this is

>what Dr P suggested.

>

If the intent is to swap fully then just stop the Erfa and replace the

T3 content with T3 (9mcg per grain). The T4 tapers itself off as it

decays very slowly.

>How long have you found in necessary to wait before trying an increase and have

>you been in a position eventually when you can take say just three doses a day

?

If you stop T4 (ie the erfa) cold turkey it will be a week or so

before you need to increase T3, the T4 goes down that slowly.

If there is an intent to stop at some " half way house " then each grain

of Erfa will be roughly equivalent to 25mcg of T3. I say eventually as

half is immediate and half is after a week or two.

Unless you have very good adrenals T3 works better at 4 or 5 times a

day than in just 3 doses.Too much at once depletes cortisol reserves

and causes a temperature drop 30 mins to an hour after taking it. If

you want to go for a half way house have a read of the " swapping to

natural " page on the RT3 site and do it in reverse.

I don't know why you are swapping so can't make suggestions about

that.

Nick

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Hi

Just wanted to let you know I only take 10mcg of T3 at breakfast and 5mcg mid to

late afternoon and have been trying for months to get higher with no success. I

also take 25mcg of T4 at breakfast and same when going to bed.

Do not worry about how much others take although I know I do but we are all

different. I feel under replaced I know what you mean by that.

I am sick of being 4 stone overweight despite healthy diet and joining gym.

Hope we get there in the end.

Lots of Love

Stephie

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Hi Nick

I am under Dr P and take

NAX, and NA,

Vitamin C 4000 a day

D3 drops,

co enzyme Q10 30 MCG.

Iron is now 200 after taking spatone for some year and a half,

I use serenity night and morning.

Magnesium and calcium

Starflower Oil 100 mg

He has never mentioned Cortisol though.

I just thought that although I am better than I was, I would have had more

improvement, can't aford to have my fillings removed Im afraid.

bin seeing Dr P since late 2008 and I think he is mistified.

If I increase I get heart palpitations , headache, anxiety, body swells up all

over.

Thanks Stephie

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>> cortisol.

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> If you can work out the reason you can't take more and correct it then

> that's the key to moving forward with health.

>

> What happens if you take more?

>

> Nick

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