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I am delighted Lizzie that you are feeling the benefit of adding T3 to your thyroxine. You may need to move over to T3 completely as it doesn't sound as if you have been converting the thyroxine to T3. Is it the intention of Dr B to gradually cut your thyroxine right down and increase your T3 until you are only taking that, or does he intend to keep you on a combination of T4 and T3? The more T3 you take the better you will feel, of that I am sure.

Luv - Sheila

Hi EveryoneJust wanted to share this with you.I have been on T3 10mcg for 3 weeks now this is in addition to 75 mcgof levothyroxine that I had been on for 12 months. My skin on my legs,feet and hands had remained dry (has been for years no improvementseen when on T4). I have just noticed that my legs feel quite silkyand the areas on my hands and my feet feel much smoother, this iswonderful, makes me wonder if the levothyroxine has been doing muchfor me at all. My thigh cramps are still there but I am waiting to seeif this resolves or if it is being caused by the T4. Watch this space!Love Lizzie

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Hi sheila

I'm not really sure what Dr B intends to do with me. I think the added

T3 was experimental, but I am delighted with the improvement in my

skin. I am beginning to wonder if it is the T4 that is causing my leg

cramps and joint pains. I will have to wait until 28th March until I

see him again to find out. Is this something you think he will be

happy to do or will I have a struggle on my hands?

Love Lizzie

> I am delighted Lizzie that you are feeling the benefit of adding T3

to your thyroxine. You may need to move over to T3 completely as it

doesn't sound as if you have been converting the thyroxine to T3. Is

it the intention of Dr B to gradually cut your thyroxine right down

and increase your T3 until you are only taking that, or does he intend

to keep you on a combination of T4 and T3? The more T3 you take the

better you will feel, of that I am sure.

>

> Luv - Sheila

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> Hi Everyone

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> Just wanted to share this with you.

> I have been on T3 10mcg for 3 weeks now this is in addition to 75 mcg

> of levothyroxine that I had been on for 12 months. My skin on my legs,

> feet and hands had remained dry (has been for years no improvement

> seen when on T4). I have just noticed that my legs feel quite silky

> and the areas on my hands and my feet feel much smoother, this is

> wonderful, makes me wonder if the levothyroxine has been doing much

> for me at all. My thigh cramps are still there but I am waiting to see

> if this resolves or if it is being caused by the T4. Watch this space!

>

> Love Lizzie

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Hi

I was taking the T3 as one dose in the morning and the T4 at night.

However today I have taken only 5mcg this morning and I am going to

take another 5mcg at 3pm. I am on ferrous sulphate for low ferritin so

I am being very careful not to take that anywhere near the T3 and T4.

I chose not to take the T3 at bedtime because I was worried that it

may keep me awake. Good luck.

Love Lizzie

>

> Dear Lizzie

>

> I have just been prescribed T3 10mcg and levothyroxine 75 mcg by a

private endo. (I am on 137 mcg levothyroxine at the moment).

>

> I have not yet picked up the prescription from the pharmacist, but

wondered if you take the T3 at the same time as the levothyroxine.

>

> The endo said " take the T3 anytime " . But I have read that T3 should

be avoided at bedtime.

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> I am so happy for you that there is an improvement in your skin.

Hope you will be able to report other improvements to your health.

>

> I do get very severe leg cramps but they seem to have subsided

recently on their own, so hopefully yours will disappear as well now

that you are taking T3. Thanks Lizzie. Luv .

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> Lizzie wrote:

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> Just wanted to share this with you. I have been on T3 10mcg for 3

weeks now this is in addition to 75 mcg of levothyroxine that I had

been on for 12 months ............

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Hi

It is usually recommeded to take half your T3 before breakfast with all of your T4, and to take the other half of your T3 after lunch sometime. Some recommend taking your thyroxine at night as this is said to promote better sleep and better absorption. T3 is the active hormone, the one that 'keeps you goiong' and yes, you should not take it at bedtime, otherwise, chances are you will not sleep very well ;o(

Leg cramps could be caused because the T4 isn't converting to T3.

Luv - Sheila

Dear Lizzie

I have just been prescribed T3 10mcg and levothyroxine 75 mcg by a private endo. (I am on 137 mcg levothyroxine at the moment).

I have not yet picked up the prescription from the pharmacist, but wondered if you take the T3 at the same time as the levothyroxine.

The endo said "take the T3 anytime". But I have read that T3 should be avoided at bedtime.

I am so happy for you that there is an improvement in your skin. Hope you will be able to report other improvements to your health.

I do get very severe leg cramps but they seem to have subsided recently on their own, so hopefully yours will disappear as well now that you are taking T3. Thanks Lizzie. Luv .

Lizzie wrote:

Just wanted to share this with you. I have been on T3 10mcg for 3 weeks now this is in addition to 75 mcg of levothyroxine that I had been on for 12 months ............

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I would take an educated guess that it is the fact that your inactive hormone T4 isn't converting to the active hormone T3 as to the reason why you are getting the leg cramps and joint pains. This is why I said you might need only T3. I think if you suggest the possibility of the cause for these to Dr B, he will probably agree - drop your T4 still further and increase your T3. You could, on the other hand, ask for a trial of Amrour because Armour contains all the hormones your body needs, plus calcitonin to keep your bones strong.

Luv - Sheila

Hi sheilaI'm not really sure what Dr B intends to do with me. I think the addedT3 was experimental, but I am delighted with the improvement in myskin. I am beginning to wonder if it is the T4 that is causing my legcramps and joint pains. I will have to wait until 28th March until Isee him again to find out. Is this something you think he will behappy to do or will I have a struggle on my hands?Love Lizzie> I am delighted Lizzie that you are feeling the benefit of adding T3to your thyroxine. You may need to move over to T3 completely as itdoesn't sound as if you have been converting the thyroxine to T3. Isit the intention of Dr B to gradually cut your thyroxine right downand increase your T3 until you are only taking that, or does he intendto keep you on a combination of T4 and T3? The more T3 you take thebetter you will feel, of that I am sure.> > Luv - Sheila> > > > Hi Everyone> > Just wanted to share this with you.> I have been on T3 10mcg for 3 weeks now this is in addition to 75 mcg> of levothyroxine that I had been on for 12 months. My skin on my legs,> feet and hands had remained dry (has been for years no improvement> seen when on T4). I have just noticed that my legs feel quite silky> and the areas on my hands and my feet feel much smoother, this is> wonderful, makes me wonder if the levothyroxine has been doing much> for me at all. My thigh cramps are still there but I am waiting to see> if this resolves or if it is being caused by the T4. Watch this space!> > Love Lizzie> > > > > > >----------------------------------------------------------> > > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.12/1245 - Release Date:26/01/2008 15:45>

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Hi Sheila,

When you say I am not converting T4 to T3, my last blood result T4

11.2 and T3 4.3 on 75 mcg of T4, Dr B said that I was converting ok.

I'm a little confused he added 10 mcg of T3 and I felt great and feel

as though it is masking the leg cramps as they do come and go. Would

my low ferritin be the cause of this poor conversion and when the

ferritin levels increase do you think I will convert better?

> Love Lizzie

> I would take an educated guess that it is the fact that your

inactive hormone T4 isn't converting to the active hormone T3 as to

the reason why you are getting the leg cramps and joint pains. This is

why I said you might need only T3. I think if you suggest the

possibility of the cause for these to Dr B, he will probably agree -

drop your T4 still further and increase your T3. You could, on the

other hand, ask for a trial of Amrour because Armour contains all the

hormones your body needs, plus calcitonin to keep your bones strong.

>

> Luv - Sheila

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> Hi sheila

>

> I'm not really sure what Dr B intends to do with me. I think the added

> T3 was experimental, but I am delighted with the improvement in my

> skin. I am beginning to wonder if it is the T4 that is causing my leg

> cramps and joint pains. I will have to wait until 28th March until I

> see him again to find out. Is this something you think he will be

> happy to do or will I have a struggle on my hands?

>

> Love Lizzie

> > I am delighted Lizzie that you are feeling the benefit of adding T3

> to your thyroxine. You may need to move over to T3 completely as it

> doesn't sound as if you have been converting the thyroxine to T3. Is

> it the intention of Dr B to gradually cut your thyroxine right down

> and increase your T3 until you are only taking that, or does he intend

> to keep you on a combination of T4 and T3? The more T3 you take the

> better you will feel, of that I am sure.

> >

> > Luv - Sheila

> >

> >

> >

> > Hi Everyone

> >

> > Just wanted to share this with you.

> > I have been on T3 10mcg for 3 weeks now this is in addition to

75 mcg

> > of levothyroxine that I had been on for 12 months. My skin on my

legs,

> > feet and hands had remained dry (has been for years no improvement

> > seen when on T4). I have just noticed that my legs feel quite silky

> > and the areas on my hands and my feet feel much smoother, this is

> > wonderful, makes me wonder if the levothyroxine has been doing much

> > for me at all. My thigh cramps are still there but I am waiting

to see

> > if this resolves or if it is being caused by the T4. Watch this

space!

> >

> > Love Lizzie

> >

> >

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Hi Lizzie,

I think that this is one of those cases when the tests aren't

much help. I can only tolerate a small amount of T4 before getting stiff

joints. You may only find what is doing what by trial and error- reducing

the T4 further and adding in a little more T3- you may find that you have to

go on T3 alone- you wouldn't be the only person to do that.

Hi Sheila,

When you say I am not converting T4 to T3, my last blood result T4

11.2 and T3 4.3 on 75 mcg of T4, Dr B said that I was converting ok.

I'm a little confused he added 10 mcg of T3 and I felt great and feel

as though it is masking the leg cramps as they do come and go. Would

my low ferritin be the cause of this poor conversion and when the

ferritin levels increase do you think I will convert better?

> Love Lizzie

> I would take an educated guess that it is the fact that your

inactive hormone T4 isn't converting to the active hormone T3 as to

the reason why you are getting the leg cramps and joint pains. This is

why I said you might need only T3. I think if you suggest the

possibility of the cause for these to Dr B, he will probably agree -

drop your T4 still further and increase your T3. You could, on the

other hand, ask for a trial of Amrour because Armour contains all the

hormones your body needs, plus calcitonin to keep your bones strong.

>

> Luv - Sheila

>

>

>

> Hi sheila

>

> I'm not really sure what Dr B intends to do with me. I think the added

> T3 was experimental, but I am delighted with the improvement in my

> skin. I am beginning to wonder if it is the T4 that is causing my leg

> cramps and joint pains. I will have to wait until 28th March until I

> see him again to find out. Is this something you think he will be

> happy to do or will I have a struggle on my hands?

>

> Love Lizzie

> > I am delighted Lizzie that you are feeling the benefit of adding T3

> to your thyroxine. You may need to move over to T3 completely as it

> doesn't sound as if you have been converting the thyroxine to T3. Is

> it the intention of Dr B to gradually cut your thyroxine right down

> and increase your T3 until you are only taking that, or does he intend

> to keep you on a combination of T4 and T3? The more T3 you take the

> better you will feel, of that I am sure.

> >

> > Luv - Sheila

> >

> >

> >

> > Hi Everyone

> >

> > Just wanted to share this with you.

> > I have been on T3 10mcg for 3 weeks now this is in addition to

75 mcg

> > of levothyroxine that I had been on for 12 months. My skin on my

legs,

> > feet and hands had remained dry (has been for years no improvement

> > seen when on T4). I have just noticed that my legs feel quite silky

> > and the areas on my hands and my feet feel much smoother, this is

> > wonderful, makes me wonder if the levothyroxine has been doing much

> > for me at all. My thigh cramps are still there but I am waiting

to see

> > if this resolves or if it is being caused by the T4. Watch this

space!

> >

> > Love Lizzie

> >

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Hi mad Lizzie

I too suffer from this problem, even though I am 100% well on Armour. What I do on such occasions is to jump into the bath, get one of those green soft pan scrubs (can't remember their proper name, but you buy them in packs of 4 or 6 and they are about 6" x 3" and thin). Anyway, I find them brilliant for rubbing all over my arms and legs and it removes all the old dry flaky skin and leaves the skin glowing and very smooth. Then I slap in loads of moisturiser. I honestly don't think hypothyroids can ever keep their lovely skin, you have to work hard to keep it soft.

Glad you are feeling so much better with your added T3.

luv - Sheila

Hi allYou may recall just over a week my reporting that Since adding 10 mcgof T3 to my dose of 75 mcg T4 that my skin had improved. I hadn'treally realised that my skin was dry until taking the T3 when itbecame very soft and silky. I have now been taking the T3 for fourweeks but had a bit of a panic today as my skin dosen't seem to be asoft as it was. Am I going mad? or am I getting used to the T3? my legcramps and lethargy still seem to be improving touch wood. I was justconcerned when I noticed my skin today it just feels drier than it hasand alarm bells are beginning to ring. Anyone else experienced this?Love mad Lizzie

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HI

Jumping in here, but I am sure will get back to you with

her answers to your questions. I think if you have an endocrinologist who is enlightened

enough to give you a trial of T3 therapy, I would be tempted to give it a go.

If this works for you (and it might well do so) at least, you will be getting

this free of charge. I can't really agree with your endo though that if this

would not be suitable for you, you would know within a week. You need to start treatment

with synthetic T3 slowly, starting at a low dose and building it up gradually

as your body gets used to it, so if he will start with a low dose, you may not

experience any adverse reactions for a while - if at all. I believe a lot of

patients would benefit greatly with T3 only therapy.

When I was started on a combination of 50 mcgs of T4 and 20 mcgs

T3,(after being on 150 mcgs T4 and then 125 mcgs, I had an adverse reaction on

day 9 of taking it - I didn't wait to see whether titrating the doses or not

would make it work (perhaps I should have done with hind-sight) but I saw a

private hormone specialist who put me on to Armour immediately. I do believe

the endocrinologists started me on too high a dose of T3 and perhaps I would

have done OK had she started me on 5 mcgs T3 twice daily and then increased it from

there. I was not converting the T4 to T3 and so this was too much for my body

at that time. However, as you have already been taking Armour, this would be an

interesting experiment to see if it will work for you, but if it doesn't, you

know you have Armour to fall back on.

However, having said all of that, if your adrenals are still not

boosted sufficiently, you will also have a problem in absorbing the T3

properly. Have you thought of trying another form of adrenal support other than

NA?

Luv - Sheila

Hi ,

can I ask you a question please ?

I am on Armour and NA and just coming to the end of

week six on DrP's treatment plan.Things have improved greatly.

Up to a couple of weeks ago I really still believed that I

was having a problem with T4 (stacking) and when I put this to my endo he said

that I could 'have a go', so to speak at T3.

My intuition is kind of telling me this could be right for

me,but I'm reluctant to upset my fragile apple cart. I saw that you are on a

combo of Armour and T3 and was just wondering what led you to that

treatment.Also,are you on NA as opposed to NAX because you are a 'sensitive' ?

(I ask as I am one myself) so I guess I'm interested in any similiarities we

may share. Do you know if 'trying' T3 say for ten days can upset the body

greatly..... the endo said that I'd know within a week if it was right for me

or not (nice guy, but being as he wasn't having anything to do with adrenal

fatigue,I'm not sure how much I can believe in him).

Any advice/experience greatly received,

julia

[Guest guest]

Where do these endoprats get their information about the

treatment of hypothyroidism and about T3. This is way too high a dose to start with

and I am glad you thought so too. We have to treat T3 with caution - however, I

bet Lilian wouldn't mind seeing this chappie rather than her own, who is also

an endoprat. We patients who are not medically qualified in any way could teach

both of them a thing or two.  Grrr!

I would definitely make a note of how you are feeling right now,

what your temperature is, what symptoms and signs you still have and what have

gone since starting Armour, and then you can compare notes when (and if) you

start T3 alone. You are probably still not " right " because as yet,

you are not on enough Armour. Let us know what Dr P suggests .

Luv - Sheila

However,I'm still not 'right' and so it is mighty

tempting to try the T3 (especially,as you say, it will be free). I think that I

had better run this past DrP now I have finished the first six weeks of his

treatment plan..... after all ,it is his plan that has got me to this point of

recovery and I don't want to blow it. Crikey.....it's nice to be able to

actually have some options !

I'll let you know what the desicion is........

julia

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Yes, I believe we do have some. I take an additional 25 mcgs

levothyroxine to my Armour and I believe takes a large dose of T3 as well

as Armour. Somebody should be along,

hopefully, to let you know. I believe that T2 has a lot to do with why Armour

works better than synthetic T4/T3 combination therapy. It might be miniscule,

but look at the power of the atom!

Luv - Sheila

also meant to ask you , and anyone else on the forum, if

there are members who take T3 and a little Armour in combination ?

Because I feel that the T1 and T2 is definately of benefit and I'm a bit loathe

to give it up really.

julia

 

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Ok, will do Sheila, thanks for all the advice ... will let you know the outcome. Staggering what these docs and endos will, or will not dish out and in what quantities..... and get paid to do it wiithout anyone seemingly monitoring them.

julia

From: Sheila <sheilaturner@...>thyroid treatment Sent: Tuesday, 4 November, 2008 12:24:19Subject: RE: T3

Where do these endoprats get their information about the treatment of hypothyroidism and about T3. This is way too high a dose to start with and I am glad you thought so too. We have to treat T3 with caution - however, I bet Lilian wouldn't mind seeing this chappie rather than her own, who is also an endoprat. We patients who are not medically qualified in any way could teach both of them a thing or two. Grrr!

I would definitely make a note of how you are feeling right now, what your temperature is, what symptoms and signs you still have and what have gone since starting Armour, and then you can compare notes when (and if) you start T3 alone. You are probably still not "right" because as yet, you are not on enough Armour. Let us know what Dr P suggests .

Luv - Sheila

However,I'm still not 'right' and so it is mighty tempting to try the T3 (especially, as you say, it will be free). I think that I had better run this past DrP now I have finished the first six weeks of his treatment plan..... after all ,it is his plan that has got me to this point of recovery and I don't want to blow it. Crikey.....it' s nice to be able to actually have some options !

I'll let you know what the desicion is........

julia

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When I was first prescribed T3 (by private doctor), he made me stop all thyroxine for a month, then he gave me 10mcg of T3 once a day. After a few days he raised it to two lots of 10 and again after another week to three lots of 10.

The next increase was 20mcg in morning, plus 10 mid day and another 10 in the evening and so on, until I found my tolerable point. Then some thyroxine was added, six weeks later a bit more. Until eventually I was best at 100mcg thyroxine and 1 x 20 and 2 x 10 of T3.

This went on for a year or so when I decided to change to Armour. I started with 1 grain Armour (split) going up to 3, and remained on three for quite a while, then decided on 4 split and kept on that. However I did eventually try and take it all at once in the morning and I found personally that it made no difference. I increased it to 5 grains every day in the morning, about six months prior to the doctor kicking up this fuss about me taking it, and discovered that was my optimum dose, or as Sheila likes to put it "my sweet spot".

My sister's doctor upped her thyroxine to 150mcg just because she was gaining weight, taking that as being one of the symptoms of under medication, rather than a patient wanting a slimming pill.

Lilian

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Hi ,

I don't know if it is me ( you are asking or the other

, but I will answer from my point of view.

I have been on Nutri Adrenal since this time last year. As I am

extremely sensitive, I started on a very small dose and increased

slowly. I started on Armour in May with a very small initial dose. I

started to have trouble when I tried to get above 1 grain. Trying to

add T3 then was a disaster. Various calls to Dr P who suggested a

candida test - which was ok. I have had a lot of stress lately and

Dr P suggested HC but I am reluctant to start with that.

Anyway - long story short - I decided to try hypnotherapy for my

stress. I had a session on the 22nd October and found it to be very

beneficial for me (I will be having a couple more sessions). I

decided to stay at 1 grain for a few weeks to settle my system and as

I have been feeling less stressed, I decided to try T3 again.

Because of my sensitivity, I started on half of 5mg - and so far so

good. I will keep with the half 5mg for a couple of weeks and then

try another half in the afternoon. I am hoping that this ultra-slow

approach will work for me this time.

You could try a low dose of T3 to start with and if it is not

suitable for you (at this time) then you will know quite quickly.

From experience, I have found that for me it is all trial and error,

small initial doses and above all patience. Perhaps something that

does not work for you at this time might work at a later date. Above

all, don't give up and be positive.

B

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Hi ,

If you want to email me privately I can give you my phone number if you

want.

B

[Guest guest]

Hi (,

thank you, it would be good to compare notes if poss. My email address is jjulia@... (hope it is ok to put it on the forum like this ???

julia

From: frances.sacramento <frances.sacramento@...>thyroid treatment Sent: Wednesday, 5 November, 2008 13:00:45Subject: Re: T3

Hi ,If you want to email me privately I can give you my phone number if you want. B

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Hi ,

I took T4 for 17 years in all. The first couple of years weren’t

too bad, but I never regained anything like my original bounce- more like a

half deflated ball! Then I got migraines, as soon as one 3 day head down the loo while holding my head together and crying with pain one

ended, a few hours later another started. Cow’s milk definitely made

things worse, but just could not cope so took betablockers

which were very effective in stopping the attacks, but made me worse thyroid

wise as they inhibit T4 to T3 conversion I obviously did not know that at the

time- but would have taken anything to stop the migraines. All this time I was

steadily gaining weight and losing hair to alopecia- lost about 1/3 at my

worst. Always tired, very forgetful, always sleeping,-

this with 2 small active children. Horrendous periods with massive blood loss

and murderous PMT- this ended with a prolapse with

the worst pain I have has since childbirth- waiting list for 2 years then

hysterectomy- magic! This really helped as did the HRT, but didn’t fully

resolve symptoms- continued to go downhill, more weight gain more brain fog- OH

nearly took car keys away. Got a computer!!! Read all about the thyroid and realized

there was more to it than T4. Saw Dr. P, a week later knew he was right and

started my recovery. He said that my long use of T4 only had exhausted my

ability to convert and that serious childhood illnesses had probably damaged my

adrenals.

Stenning

T3

Hi ,

I was reading your post

to Lizzie and wonder if I could just ask you what your symptoms re your

intolerance to T4 were and how you came about deciding on taking Armour and T3.

I'm asking as I feel that I may also be intolerant to

T4.My GP and my endo have both suggested that I try T3 and though I'm pretty

open to 'giving it a go', I'd still like to take at least a little Armour as

well.

I'm on Dr P's treatment

plan and it's going fairly well (temps up,adrenals improving,increase in Armour

now possible) I'd just like to explore all avenues really and as far as I can

tell, you're the only member on the forum who takes the Armour/T3 combo.

Could you please tell me

specifically what the benefits of taking the extra T3 were/are for you....?

Any advice and experience

greatly received,

julia

[Guest guest]

If

you feel you would like to reduce the Armour, then do so . I believe your

body tells you what you need, and taking Armour is a wonderful example of this.

This is why I feel Armour is such a safe drug to take - it tells you if you are

taking too much and if you are taking too little, and you can adjust

accordingly. However, stop trying to find a dose of T3 that you think should

work for everybody - there is no such thing, some of us are big and some

little, some tall, some small, some take a shoe size 10, others take a size 3.

Find out what suits YOU best.

Luv -

Sheila

Thanks

Sheila and Molly,

well

I think I'm going to go for two 5 microgram doses of the T3 in between my

Armour and see how I go. Is there an ideal ratio of Armour to additional T3 or

is it entirely down to the individual ? ....I'd like to actually reduce my

Armour a little as I'm still getting T4 stacking symptoms despite all my

other issues (except my D3) being resolved.2 grains seems to be my limit really

so I'm wondering what daily level of T3 I should be aiming for ultimately.

[Guest guest]

Hi

Please could you use a darker colour for

your messages. Some of us out here have bad eyesight and unable to read

messages written in pale colours.

Many thanks.

Luv - Sheila

thanks

for sharing your experience. It took me about six months really to

suss the difference between whether I was getting too much T3 or stacking

effect from unconverted T4. The symptoms for me are quite different. Too much

T3 and I'm way to manic and racey (usually followed by a huge 'downer'. Stacked

T4 for me feels like being poisoned.... a slow creeping toxicity,pains in my

chest and light headiness and tiredness/inability to focus or do anything........

all subtly different to 'just' being hypo.

It's

quite tempting for me to go onto T3 alone as my endo has no problems

prescribing it for me..... but I prefer the idea of a natural treatment as well

as the T1 and T2 in Armour. Decisions,decisions.....

_,___

[Guest guest]

Oooops, sorry about that, hope this is better......

julia

From: Sheila <sheila@...>thyroid treatment Sent: Thursday, 15 January, 2009 15:46:18Subject: RE: T3

Hi

Please could you use a darker colour for your messages. Some of us out here have bad eyesight and unable to read messages written in pale colours.

Many thanks.

Luv - Sheila

thanks for sharing your experience. It took me about six months really to suss the difference between whether I was getting too much T3 or stacking effect from unconverted T4. The symptoms for me are quite different. Too much T3 and I'm way to manic and racey (usually followed by a huge 'downer'. Stacked T4 for me feels like being poisoned.... a slow creeping toxicity,pains in my chest and light headiness and tiredness/inability to focus or do anything.... .... all subtly different to 'just' being hypo.

It's quite tempting for me to go onto T3 alone as my endo has no problems prescribing it for me..... but I prefer the idea of a natural treatment as well as the T1 and T2 in Armour. Decisions,decisions .....

_,___

[Guest guest]

I agree with you there. I would like to be able to take some Armour

eventually because it is natural and it makes sense to have all the

usual components: T1, T2, T3, T4 and calcitonin.

It's interesting you can tell the difference between overdoing the T3

or the T4. I have only experienced worse palpitations, worse

overheating on exercise, and a very slight but permanent headache. I

am assuming these are symptoms from overdoing the T4. I'll find out

what overdosing on T3 does when I get there! I see it has taken you 6

months to recognise these different symptoms, so that's useful to know.

Miriam

> thanks for sharing your experience. It took me about six

months really to suss the difference between whether I was getting

too much T3 or stacking effect from unconverted T4. The symptoms for

me are quite different. Too much T3 and I'm way to manic and racey

(usually followed by a huge 'downer'. Stacked T4 for me feels like

being poisoned.... a slow creeping toxicity,pains in my chest and

light headiness and tiredness/inability to focus or do

anything........ all subtly different to 'just' being hypo.

> It's quite tempting for me to go onto T3 alone as my endo has no

problems prescribing it for me..... but I prefer the idea of a natural

treatment as well as the T1 and T2 in Armour. Decisions,decisions.....

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I'm with you there hon - I've got a 2 yr old, and though I'm not on

my own with her it feels like it sometimes!

I know this sounds a little bit like it might not work, but I used

these and thought they didn't work, but looking back my adrenals had

a crash when I stopped taking them... try licorice root capsules, and

take them about 3 times a day. They stop the cortisol breaking down

so should help the NAX do their job while you are feeling bad...

Maybe you will be OK with the T3 if you don't convert well, but I

found that taking them made me feel absolutely awful, and that was

because my adrenals weren't up to scratch. If you are low in

cortisol, and add T3, the body will speed up it's clearance of

cortisol (ie the speed it removes it from the body) which COULD leave

you even more lacking, if indeed this is the problem...

I guess if you don't mind feeling bad for a little bit, with the

potential to feel better, it may be worth a try!

Leah xx

>

> Hi Leah,

>

> yep, I'm taking 5-6 NA's a day (I was down to four,prior to

accident). I feel like I've gotta try something as I've two little

kids and only me to look after 'em. I know it's risky..... I was more

thinking along the lines of... not converting the the T4 in Armour =

getting stacking symptoms (I'm a poor converter at the best of

times... that's why my endo wanted me to change to just T3).

[Guest guest]

Do you get the T3 prescribed? My endo just prescribes liothyronine, which is generic.

Lilian

The pharmacist tells me that Tertroxine is not longer available and Cytomel is made in the US and not available in the U.K.

[Guest guest]

Hi Sheena,

Tertroxin is still readily available in Australia. I am sure it is imported

from UK. I tried to see the manufacturers name under the container but I pulled

all of the label off. DOH

If you can contact the manufacturer, they will be able to guide you as to

whether your chemist is correct or not. I tend not to trust what some suppliers

say without checking thoroughly.

F

>

>

>

> Since November, 2009, T3 at 10 mcg(Tertroxine)was added into my T4 medication

and I felt improved. However, since I have increased to 20 mcg (Goldshield), I

seem to be experiencing a peculiar salty taste in my mouth all the time. I

checked the inactive ingredients at the suggestion of Dr S and found that they

contain salt, so it looks most likely to be the culprit.

>

> I can't find any other manufacturer, other than Goldshield in the UK.

Searching on the internet has come up with either Tertroxine or Cytomel. The

pharmacist tells me that Tertroxine is not longer available and Cytomel is made

in the US and not available in the U.K.

>

> What are other users doing about getting their T3? - I certainly need to find

an alternative.

>

> Sheena

>

[Guest guest]

Hi F, Sheena, The manufacturer is Goldshield- who did Tertroxin and now does Liothyronine. It was just a name change according to my local chemist- I did not notice any difference in the pills- either in activity or appearance. > thyroid treatment > From: freemangoldcoast@...> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 23:20:41 +0000> Subject: Re: T3> > Hi Sheena,> Tertroxin is still readily available in Australia. I am sure it is imported from UK. I tried to see the manufacturers name under the container but I pulled all of the label off. DOH > > If you can contact the manufacturer, they will be able to guide you as to whether your chemist is correct or not. I tend not to trust what some suppliers say without checking thoroughly.> > F> > > > > > >> > > > > > Since November, 2009, T3 at 10 mcg(Tertroxine)was added into my T4 medication and I felt improved. However, since I have increased to 20 mcg (Goldshield), I seem to be experiencing a peculiar salty taste in my mouth all the time. I checked the inactive ingredients at the suggestion of Dr S and found that they contain salt, so it looks most likely to be the culprit.> > > > I can't find any other manufacturer, other than Goldshield in the UK. Searching on the internet has come up with either Tertroxine or Cytomel. The pharmacist tells me that Tertroxine is not longer available and Cytomel is made in the US and not available in the U.K.> > > > What are other users doing about getting their T3? - I certainly need to find an alternative.> > > > Sheena> >> > > > > ------------------------------------> > TPA is not medically qualified. Consult with a qualified medical practitioner before changing medication.> >