Thyroid nodules

[Guest guest]

, I guess we can't know whether we have " hot or cold " nodules without

the uptake and scan, but don't the ultrasound and needle aspirations give

physicians enough knowledge to determine whether surgery is indicated?

=====

Bonner

Re: Reply to Joy86 re: copper and iron

> In a message dated 11/4/00 8:51:11 AM Pacific Standard Time,

> joy86@... writes:

>

> << But I still have a question, . How can we know if we have hot or

cold

> nodules without the thyroid scan, is that the RAI?

>

> What is the percentage of throats of HyperTs becoming cancerous? Is

there a

> relation with HyperT and thyroid cancer?

>

> Again, my thanks , Marilyn >>

> Hi Marilyn,

> If we don't do a thyroid scan, we won't know if we have nodules. But

do

> we need to know this? What are we going to do differently if we know we

have

> nodules or not?

> When we have thyroid disease, we can be pretty sure that there are

> physical abnormalities in our thyroid glands. I think the best thing is to

> accept that, correct our nutrition, and give our bodies a chance to repair

> the damage.

> Probably the biggest fear is that nodules are cancerous. My doctor

told

> me that thyroid cancer is rare compared to hypoT and hyperT, and

furthermore

> it is usually confined to the thyroid. It's not typically the spreading

kind

> of cancer. Therefore if you ever do get cancer, it will most likely be

> localized in the thyroid, which can be removed if you wish. I don't know

what

> the cancer rate is for hyperT or hypoT but I feel it must be very small.

I've

> communicated with hundreds and hundreds of people and not one has ever

told

> me that they have thyroid cancer. My feeling is that the rate must be

very,

> very small.

> My belief is that cancer is the result of nutritional deficiencies

(often

> induced by toxic metal overload), and that the conditions which give rise

to

> cancer can be changed by changing your nutrition. I think that correcting

> deficiencies is the only reasonable thing that we can do to improve our

> thyroid health. It's easy to worry and want to know all the details about

hot

> and cold nodules, radioactive iodine uptake, and the myriad antibodies,

but

> my question is: what can we do differently based upon these tests? There

is

> nothing that I see that we can do differently based upon the results of

these

> tests, so why go to all the effort and expense to find out these things?

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I had two large nodules that were hot, or more accurately " warm " in

1995-1999. In 1997 I started taking .05 mg Synthroid (lowest possible dose)

and in 2 years they were completely gone. No surgery required. There is

about a 50% chance of this working to eliminate thyroid nodules and it did

work for me, thank goodness. I still take the Synthroid to keep the nodules

gone " . They were about 2 " on the right lobe and 1 " on the left lobe. I had

been dx'ed with FMS since 1992 at this point. There may be some relationship

Thyroid problems do not run in my family.

Cydney

[Guest guest]

Nil,

Because of the lack of routine but good epidemiological studies no one

knows how common this is in PWCs.

However, when my internist discover by routine general exam that I had

what she called a " multinodular goiter " she told me that most people (or,

more than did not) did. But she'd have to examine it regularly to see if

it was even and not uneven (larger in parts). My thyroid function tests

were normal.

A few years later I developed a small protrusion on my neck and felt

difficulty swallowing. A thryoid uptake scan was done to determine if it

was a " cold " nodule (which I believe is indicative of malignancy). It

was not, thank goodness.

I then went to a thyroid specialist who aspirated that protrusion (called

a cyst) and said there was a 50% chance it would come back.

Unfortunately it did. I had to have it aspirated 3 times, after which he

put me on thyroid medication (my CFS doc convinced him I needed Armour,

not Synthroid), because doing so often suppressed the refilling of the

cyst.

It's slowed it. I think it's refilled some and should get back to see

him but have been too busy with a million other medical hassles but will

soon. BTW, I was told that very few of the uptake scans show protrusions

to be malignant. I'd get one.

Judith Wisdom

On Mon, 12 Aug 2002 20:34:12 +0300 " Yildiz " <ng2113@...>

writes:

Hi all,

Did anyone have any experience with Thyroid nodules and Goiter? I don't

yet know if the nodule is hot or cold. It is about 1 inch in length.I

wondered if this is common in PWC's.I am little nervous as I don't wish

to take more hormones and/or operation.

Thanks.

Nil

[Guest guest]

Hi Judith,

Thanks for your answer. Did you get Fine needle biopsy before Thyroid uptake

scan?

Nil?

Re: Thyroid nodules

| Nil,

|

| Because of the lack of routine but good epidemiological studies no one

| knows how common this is in PWCs.

|

| However, when my internist discover by routine general exam that I had

[Guest guest]

Nil,

No. After. I believe that if the uptake scan would have shown it to be

possibly or certainly (not sure) cancerous, I am not sure that a fine

needle aspiration would have been the correct next move. I now realize

that I should have used " aspiration " not " biopsy. " The aspiration draws

out the fluid in the cyst. Yes, it's biopsied. However, the definitive

biopsy is done not just on the fluid but if during the aspiration the doc

grabs some tissue. My doc didn't because he said that (a) doing so

increases the liklihood of increased fillings of fluid and ( he was

virtually convinced that the biopsy of the tissue would be negative.

Some cells trickle into the fluid and he feels given the uptake scan

results and the fluid tests plus his general experience that the biopsy

of tissue was not in order.

Judith W.

On Mon, 19 Aug 2002 21:41:48 +0300 " Yildiz " <ng2113@...>

writes:

Hi Judith,

Thanks for your answer. Did you get Fine needle biopsy before Thyroid

uptake

scan?

Nil?

Re: Thyroid nodules

| Nil,

|

| Because of the lack of routine but good epidemiological studies no one

| knows how common this is in PWCs.

|

| However, when my internist discover by routine general exam that I had

[Guest guest]

Hi Anne,

Has she has even a TSH test? Nodules can be cancerous, so should be

checked at hospital. Ask her to get a second opinion- this should not be

left unexamined.

Hi,

A friend of mine had a mastectomy about 6 years ago and now has

thyroid nodules. She has been told by the doctor that he will " do

something about them when she has problems wearing her necklaces " !

She also now has boderline osteoporosis. Is there any advice I can

give her without frightening her - she is a worrier!! I am very

concerned that she is not receiving the best of treatment.

Luv,

Anne

Messages are not a substitute for professional medical advice. Always

consult with a suitably qualified practitioner before changing medication.

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi Anne,

> Has she has even a TSH test? Nodules can be cancerous,

>

> Hi ,

I agree with what you say - but she gets in a terrible state with

worry so I have to be careful in how I approach the subject. I don't

think she has had a thyroid function test - you see it seems to be the

same old story about doctors not acknowledging the connection between

low thyroid function and breast cancer. I think I will have to tackle

the subject by a roundabout route.

Luv,

Anne

>

>

>

>

> Messages are not a substitute for professional medical advice. Always

> consult with a suitably qualified practitioner before changing

medication.

>

[Guest guest]

Unfortunately Anne - it is sometimes best for the patient to be told the facts, even though she might not want to know them. Knowledge is power and if she is kept in the dark, this will only serve to cause a deterioration in her health. It does appear that low thyroid can cause breast cancer, and that breast cancer can be a cause of thyroid disease. Did she have radiation as a course of treatment for her breast cancer? See the following and please ask her to show these to her doctor. Also, go to our own website www.tpa-uk.org.uk and click on Thyroid Cancer and read about it there. It really wouldn't help your friend to avoid telling her the facts in the long run.

Her doctor should be referring her to a specialist as a matter of urgency.

Women With Thyroid Cancer at Increased Risk for Breast CancerA new study finds that treatment for thyroid cancer in younger women increases their risk for breast cancer five to twenty years later."Thyroid hormone action"The Cancer Journal - Volume 6, Number 5 (September-October 1993)This research suggests that thyroid hormone has a direct and crucial role in the development of breast cancer. "Thyroid hormone is a very powerful co-factor of experimental carcinogenesis. The role of thyroid hormone in human cancers has yet to be clearly elucidated." "The thyroid and breast cancer: a significant association?" Ann Med 1997 Jun;29(3):189-91These researchers found that there's no clear evidence of a causal relationship - in that one disease causes the other - but there does appear to be an association between breast cancer and hypothyroidism, in particular. There's also some evidence that dietary iodine may affect breast cancer risk, and there's an increased likelihood of having breast cancer if one has an enlarged thyroid, known as a goiter. "Thyroid disorders and breast cancer" Eur J Cancer Prev 1996 Dec;5(6):504-6The prevalence of hyperthyroidism and hypothyroidism in patients with breast cancer versus those without breast cancer is very similar. Non-toxic goiter (an enlarged thyroid) was more than twice as common in the breast cancer patients; 45.5% of breast cancer patients had thyroid enlargement compared with only 10.5% of controls. And, antithyroid peroxidase autoantibodies were twice as common in breast cancer patients than in controls. Breast cancer in hypothyroid women using thyroid supplements. JAMA 1984 Feb 3;251(5):616-9This study found that use of thyroid supplements does not increase the risk of developing breast cancer. "Benign thyroid diseases and the risk of death from breast cancer." Oncology 1992;49(6):461-6This study found that patients with Hashimoto's thyroiditis had the lowest percent of deaths due to breast cancer, while those with nontoxic nodular goiter had the highest. "Relationship between breast cancer and thyroid disease: relevance of autoimmune thyroid disorders in breast malignancy." J Clin Endocrinol Metab, 1996 Mar;81(3):990-4This research found that the overall prevalence of thyroid disease was 46% in the breast cancer patients studied, versus 14% in the controls studied. The prevalence of nontoxic goiter was 27.4% in breast cancer patients, versus 11% in controls. Hashimoto's thyroiditis was found in 13.7% of breast cancer patients, and in 2% of the controls. The prevalence of thyroperoxidase (TPO) antibody was higher in breast cancer patients than in controls (23.5% vs. 8%). Overall, the study found that the prevalence of thyroid disorders is increased in patients with breast cancer, and thyroid autoimmune disorders, especially Hashimoto's thyroiditis, account to a large extent for the increased prevalence of thyroid disease in patients with breast cancer. "Thyroid function after postoperative radiation therapy in patients with breast cancer. "Acta Radiol Oncol 1986 May-Jun;25(3):167-70Post-operative radiation therapy for breast cancer can damage the thyroid, so shielding of the thyroid is recommended during irradiation, as well as long-term follow-up of thyroid function with repeated thyroid testing.

> I agree with what you say - but she gets in a terrible state with> worry so I have to be careful in how I approach the subject. I don't> think she has had a thyroid function test - you see it seems to be the> same old story about doctors not acknowledging the connection between> low thyroid function and breast cancer. I think I will have to tackle> the subject by a roundabout route.> > Luv,> Anne> > > > > > > > > > Messages are not a substitute for professional medical advice. Always> > consult with a suitably qualified practitioner before changing> medication. > >

[Guest guest]

Hi Anne,

Not an easy one to cope with- good luck.

>

> Hi Anne,

> Has she has even a TSH test? Nodules can be cancerous,

>

> Hi ,

I agree with what you say - but she gets in a terrible state with

worry so I have to be careful in how I approach the subject. I don't

think she has had a thyroid function test - you see it seems to be the

same old story about doctors not acknowledging the connection between

low thyroid function and breast cancer. I think I will have to tackle

the subject by a roundabout route.

Luv,

Anne

>

>

>

>

> Messages are not a substitute for professional medical advice. Always

> consult with a suitably qualified practitioner before changing

medication.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Sheila, It would be interesting to understand how/why people get thyroid nodules, what causes them etc because this paper could very well be excellent evidence for the case for treating TSH at lower levels than currently recommended. But we would have to factor in evidence about thyroid nodules etc. I just know how the medics operate - I once had a chat with a GP and said that the original TSH level was based on the results of about 27 patients (cant remember exactly what or where Id read this) and that studies done on populations with low or no incidence of thyroid illness had TSH much lower than the general populations of e.g. UK. His response was simply, ah well, different populations you see.

Gill

Ah, thank you Gill. The article does indeed, in large lettering, state that the tests were carried out on Patients with thyroid nodules! Duh. Brain not in gear again.Luv Bella>>

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[Guest guest]

Not too much is known about the cause Gill, but I did find this interesting article http://www.cumc.columbia.edu/dept/thyroid/nodules.html - and the way I read it, it could well be an increased TSH behind it.

Thyroid nodules, or lumps, are quite common, occurring in more than 50% of the world's population. Moreover, the likelihood of developing a thyroid nodule increases with age and in part represents the aging process of the thyroid gland. Although most nodules are harmless and do not require any treatment at all, approximately 5% of all nodules are cancerous. Thyroid nodules occur more frequently in women than in men, however the incidence of cancerous nodules is greatest in men. Despite the low incidence of cancer, all nodules should be evaluated by a physician to determine their status.

Although the cause of most thyroid nodules is unknown, some risk factors for developing nodules include a lack of iodine in the diet, which can cause thyroid enlargement, family history of benign thyroid nodules, and pre-existing thyroid disease (e.g. Hashimoto's thyroiditis).

Hi Sheila, It would be interesting to understand how/why people get thyroid nodules, what causes them etc because this paper could very well be excellent evidence for the case for treating TSH at lower levels than currently recommended. But we would have to factor in evidence about thyroid nodules etc. I just know how the medics operate - I once had a chat with a GP and said that the original TSH level was based on the results of about 27 patients (cant remember exactly what or where Id read this) and that studies done on populations with low or no incidence of thyroid illness had TSH much lower than the general populations of e.g. UK. His response was simply, ah well, different populations you see.

Gill

Ah, thank you Gill. The article does indeed, in large lettering, state that the tests were carried out on Patients with thyroid nodules! Duh. Brain not in gear again.Luv Bella>>

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[Guest guest]

I am not a doctor nor studying to be one. If you had enough iodine in your system, you probably would not have the nodules.

So I would say get some iodine like Lugols and start taking a few drops in the morning with your OJ. Get the celtic sea salt and do the salt flushed.

Seems you should have some Labs done to also see where you are at also with iodine.

I think steph just wrote an email regarding where to get an Iodine loading test. If you missed it, write back.

Also do a lot of Vit C, like 3000-5000 per day of a high quality. Also the B Vitamins.

Hopefully Steph will be able to give you more info.

Thyroid nodules

Hi, I have 2 benign nodules for 4 or 5 years. TSH borderline at .2 nottaking any medication. Doctor is monitoring growth on a 6 monthbasis. The nodule on the right is growing more and he suggested maybe radiation therapy or surgery. It is not noticeable and I don't feel it, I don't have any symptoms and they don't bother me at all.Taking Iodine will reduce them? How much to take?Please help.

[Guest guest]

You need some good thyroid nutrients. Iodine, Magnesium, Selenium, Vit C,

Celtic Salt - the basics but there are more and you can find them on my

website - www.naturalthyroidchoices.com

Thyroid nodules

> Hi,

>

> I have 2 benign nodules for 4 or 5 years. TSH borderline at .2 not

> taking any medication. Doctor is monitoring growth on a 6 month

> basis. The nodule on the right is growing more and he suggested

> maybe radiation therapy or surgery. It is not noticeable and I don't

> feel it, I don't have any symptoms and they don't bother me at all.

> Taking Iodine will reduce them? How much to take?

> Please help.

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi - I had two large nodules on the right side of my thyroid which were

greatly reduced within two weeks of starting iodine. I didn't do the

loading test, but rather started out with 12.5 mgs of Iodoral for one

week, then increased to 25. I'm currently at 50mgs.

My thyroid is still enlarged on the right - there has been a lot of

autoimmune damage - but the left is normal sized, and no more nodules.

I think you'll know right away if its going to help.

> Thyroid nodules

>

>

> Hi,

>

> I have 2 benign nodules for 4 or 5 years. TSH borderline at .2 not

> taking any medication. Doctor is monitoring growth on a 6 month

> basis. The nodule on the right is growing more and he suggested

> maybe radiation therapy or surgery. It is not noticeable and I don't

> feel it, I don't have any symptoms and they don't bother me at all.

> Taking Iodine will reduce them? How much to take?

> Please help.

>

[Guest guest]

Can you pick up Lodoral over the counter at health food store?

On Thu, Jun 26, 2008 at 8:55 AM, cathyedens <cathyedens@...> wrote:

Hi - I had two large nodules on the right side of my thyroid which were greatly reduced within two weeks of starting iodine. I didn't do the loading test, but rather started out with 12.5 mgs of Iodoral for one

week, then increased to 25. I'm currently at 50mgs.My thyroid is still enlarged on the right - there has been a lot of autoimmune damage - but the left is normal sized, and no more nodules. I think you'll know right away if its going to help. > Thyroid nodules

> > > Hi, > > I have 2 benign nodules for 4 or 5 years. TSH borderline at .2 not> taking any medication. Doctor is monitoring growth on a 6 month> basis. The nodule on the right is growing more and he suggested

> maybe radiation therapy or surgery. It is not noticeable and I don't > feel it, I don't have any symptoms and they don't bother me at all.> Taking Iodine will reduce them? How much to take?

> Please help.>

[Guest guest]

It's Iodoral and No you cannot. It is practitioner dispensed only. You can order online from the following:

www.illnessisoptional.com (12.5 mgs & 50 mgs)

www.breastcancerchoices.org (12.5 mgs only)

Thyroid nodules> > > Hi, > > I have 2 benign nodules for 4 or 5 years. TSH borderline at .2 not> taking any medication. Doctor is monitoring growth on a 6 month> basis. The nodule on the right is growing more and he suggested > maybe radiation therapy or surgery. It is not noticeable and I don't > feel it, I don't have any symptoms and they don't bother me at all.> Taking Iodine will reduce them? How much to take?> Please help.>

[Guest guest]

Hi Joyce,

I've recently overcome Hashimotos Thyroiditis and goitre using a protocol I

cobbled together using a Radial appliance with alternating gold and silver

solution, followed by a course of Atomodine. The first thing I had to do

was replace the appliance I had gotten from Baar. I got one from Happy

Hill Spring Works that I think is very good; but if I were starting today,

I'd probably get it from Phil or Tom Dewey. I'd also use Phil's

iodine rather than Atomodine. It's available at www.iodinesource.com. Of

course, I had to also work with ALL the principles in the Cayce readings

including attitudes and emotions, detoxification, proper diet and exercise,

plenty of fresh air and sunshine, and proper balance between work, rest and

play.

Cheers,

Robin

Thyroid nodules

Hello everyone,

In March my endocrinologist told me he wanted to surgically remove my

thyroid gland. Since that time I have been on a program of self-treatment

using atomidine, osteopathic manipulative therapy, epsom salt baths, etc.

Does anyone have experience with getting the body to absorb the nodules

and restore one's health? I was experiencing some hypo signs, but my last

blood test for TSH, etc., in 2008, came back normal.

I've done lots of research through the Cayce readings. At first it was

hard to find things but I realized I needed to search under the words

Thyroid neck accumulations

And also I had to figure out to use the spelling - goitre - and not goiter.

Then there was an ordeal over getting an affordable violet ray. I finally

found one that was under $110 when I performed an internet search using the

terms high frequency machine. It seems beauticians have taken over its use

for health benefits. A lot of the search results under violet ray

contained kinky sex toy users.

It would be nice if anyone can share their knowledge of using the high

frequency machine, aka violet ray. Or just share what you've learned about

how to treat thyroid nodules and/or hypo, hyper.

Thanks,

Joyce

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[Guest guest]

Hi Joyce,You might consider castor oil packs on your thyroid gland. To learn more about this particular therapy, visithttp://www.webspawner.com/users/castoroillinks/index.htmlWith best wishes,Dudley Delany

dudley_delany

[Guest guest]

A huge THANKS to everyone who replied!

Robin,

Wow! Congratulations. What a welcome relief to hear from you!

How/why did you choose the Radial appliance over Wet Cell?

I've been looking over both. I was leaning toward getting the Wet Cell, but am

eager to hear from you on this.

I'd been seeing references to the Wet Cell in readings re: thyroid. One that

has many symptoms I share is Reading #1026-1. (Don't know if you have access to

all of the readings. I own the CD containing all of them.)

The other Wet Cell/goitre reading I printed to refer to is 1685-1. I was also

thinking I need gold and silver after looking at 1800-6 which has tips on

constructing and using " the battery appliance " (wet cell?) and " carbon steel and

ice water battery " (radial appliance?).

I've read in various internet places that people are saying the Baar radial appl

isn't as well-built as the Hill Spring Works one. Also, I've heard and read

about how people prefer Phil's Atomidine. But nobody really has explained why

they think it's better.

There's a wellness website that reviewed Phil's and Baar's product and this is

the most info I've found on why P's is preferred over B's. But why then does

the ARE endorse B's product and not P's? I've speculated that it may be due to

P recommending that people ingest the Atomidine, while B does not. The would be

a safer endorsement for the ARE in that sense. Other than that, I'm baffled.

P's Atomidine was characterized by a reviewer as stronger, but does that

necessarily mean it's better? Wouldn't it seem that the iodine solution has

different applications depending on strengths or concentration, rather than a

stronger is always better approach?

A few weeks ago, I called Baar, and spoke to Kathleen. Not knowing what else to

ask at the time, I asked her how much iodine in a drop of the B version of

Atomidine. She said 600 mcg. I haven't yet spoken directly to Phil. Of

course, both producer/sellers are going to declare their version to be the right

one, so this is only addiing to my confusion. That's why I'd rather find out

from people who've tried both why they may prefer one over the other.

You've really touched upon a very important aspect of this which is that

attitudes, etc. I really see the importance of this. Reading The Disappearance

of the Universe by Renard has been incredibly helpful in getting me through

this. The symptoms and diseases aren't just in the thyroid. But I'm seeing a

pattern and the causes that relate to it. Healing through finding a new

approach to forgiveness and all that.

Best Regards,

Joyce

>

> Hi Joyce,

>

> I've recently overcome Hashimotos Thyroiditis and goitre using a protocol I

> cobbled together using a Radial appliance with alternating gold and silver

> solution, followed by a course of Atomodine. The first thing I had to do

> was replace the appliance I had gotten from Baar. I got one from Happy

> Hill Spring Works that I think is very good; but if I were starting today,

> I'd probably get it from Phil or Tom Dewey. I'd also use Phil's

> iodine rather than Atomodine. It's available at www.iodinesource.com. Of

> course, I had to also work with ALL the principles in the Cayce readings

> including attitudes and emotions, detoxification, proper diet and exercise,

> plenty of fresh air and sunshine, and proper balance between work, rest and

> play.

>

> Cheers,

> Robin

>

> Thyroid nodules

>

> Hello everyone,

>

> In March my endocrinologist told me he wanted to surgically remove my

> thyroid gland.

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Dudley. I started by using the castor oil packs but wasn't getting

definitive results. Was afraid to try Atomidine since 2006. The last Dr. visit

really set me off to the point of desperation where I largely overcame the fear

of trying Atomidine and Violet Ray.

Best,

Joyce

>

> Hi Joyce,

>

> You might consider castor oil packs on your thyroid gland. To learn more about

this particular therapy, visit

>

> http://www.webspawner.com/users/castoroillinks/index.html

>

> With best wishes,

>

> Dudley Delany

>

> dudley_delany

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Joyce,

I'm very glad to know you are really on this quest and not just looking for

the quick fix. In the end, you are going to have to use your best

intuition to put your own protocol together. It seems you already are well

practiced at that, so I have complete confidence you will be successful

with this as well.

Working with Ideals is a very central part of my life. This has been in

place long before I started this particular protocol. I can't stress the

importance of this part enough. If you haven't already done this, I would

encourage you not to take another step until you do.

Here is my protocol in chronological order:

These were in place throughout the entire protocol (and still are):

Daily spiritual practice which included prayer, meditation, and

scripture studies (ACIM, God Calling, Tarot reading)

Louis Hay's affirmations mainly focused on self-worth, confidence, and

expression

Alkalizing diet

Exercise routine with strong focus on lymphatic movement and stretching

(combination of movements recommended by Van Daam, Harold Reilly,

and a few of my own)

Commitment to speak my truth (This was a very important step and the

most difficult; particularly in my marriage)

I began the protocol the last day of my menstrual period. Before I

started, I replaced my Radiac from Baar with an Ice Appliance from Tom

Hildebrand. This was a very interesting journey with many conversations

with many people. I learned a great deal, but probably the most valuable

lesson I learned is to trust my own intuition and perceptions!

Here are the steps I took:

Spinal adjustments to insure my spine is in alignment with special

attention to C2, T9, and L4

3 days of abdominal castor oil packs

3-day apple detox

Radial appliance alternating gold and silver around my 4 extremities, C2,

T9, and L4

Rested for 4 days

Repeated the rotation of the Radial appliance while beginning a course of

Atomodine (1 drop am/pm <day1>, 2 drops <day2>, 3 drops <day3>, 4 drops

<day4>, 5 drops <day5> - took two days off then repeated)

It was some time during the second rotational schedule of the Radial

Appliance that I began to experience symptoms of hyper-thyroidism. I

simply stopped taking my thyroid medicine at that point and the symptoms

disappeared. Now that I'm learning more about Atomidine, it is possible

these symptoms were a reaction to its toxic affects. I am now VERY

skeptical of this product.

Since that time, I have had blood work done a couple of times which show a

wonderful trend. Not only are my TSH and thyroid levels perfect, but my

blood glucose which had been inching higher in recent years dropped by 12

points, my liver enzymes which were chronically low look much better, and

my calcium levels are improved. I've also lost 30 pounds. My doctor is

astounded and well-pleased with the results (not impressed enough to

understand what I did, though ;-). You can see a picture of me here:

http://healthforlifecoloncare.com/About.html (not bad for 53 years old,

huh?). If you want to see me naked, look me up on Facebook.

Now, to address your questions specifically:

I chose the Radial Appliance over the wet-cell because I'm a firm believer

in " less is more " and I felt the Wet-cell might be overkill. I believe the

Wet-cell is more for severe degenerative disease particularly with nerve

damage. If I had been unsuccessful with the Radial Appliance, I probably

would have repeated the procedure with the Wet-cell.

I do have access to the Readings both online (I've been a member since the

early 80's) and on CD-ROM.

If you want to construct your own battery, I recommend you work with

McMillin's book on the subject and the book Tom Hildebrand makes available

from his website; although, be sure and study the readings carefully too.

Everyone is human and we all can make mistakes. You may discover a design

flaw that has been overlooked all these years which is what I believe Phil

has done in many areas (not necessarily with the Radial Appliance,

though). I'm not sure I would purchase a Radial Appliance from Phil as I'm

not entirely convinced he could maintain the " proper " spiritual presence

during construction. Tom Hildebrand listens to Goldsmith lectures

while he's building his, and Tom Dewey is also a very gentle soul who

builds his during a deep meditative state. I have a hunch Phil's basic

materials are the best available, though. I believe Tom Hildebrand's and

Tom Dewey's raw materials are adequate enough but probably not as good as

Phil's. The only issue I have with Tom Hildebrand's device is that it is

round. Cayce was clear that the shape used by Baar, Dewey, and is

the best shape for the Appliance. Oh, as a side note, I broke open my old

appliance from Baar. I don't believe it is made according to the specs in

the readings. I have notified the ARE of this. They are remaining silent.

I am convinced Phil ' Detoxified Iodine is the best product

available. I wish I had known about it during my protocol. I am not

convinced, however, that one should be taking it the way he recommends to

take it. I don't believe Cayce ever recommended life-long supplementation

of any kind.

Please share the address of the website you found the reviews of the

various products. Thanks ;-)

You ask the question, " But why then does the ARE endorse B's product and

not P's? " This is a question I believe the answer to may be more

disturbing than I'd like to admit, but I believe it has something to do

with financial gain.

Ahhhhhh..... Forgiveness - truly the purpose for my existence in

materiality at this time.

Bless you Joyce on your journey. I hope you find what I've shared helpful.

Check out my website and feel free to call me if you'd like to chat.

Cheers,

Robin

www.healthforlifecoloncare.com

www.westonaprice-elgin.org

" Let thy food be thy medicine and thy medicine be thy food. "

--Hippocrates (460-377 B.C.)

Just be careful how you define food ;-)

Thyroid nodules

>

> Hello everyone,

>

> In March my endocrinologist told me he wanted to surgically remove my

> thyroid gland.

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[Guest guest]

Hi, Robin,

Here's the URL for the Review of Atomidine:

http://www.mnwelldir.org/docs/reviews/atomidine.htm

It gave me a bit of a start when I re-read and saw note and link at end on

toxicity of Baar's Atomidine.

Thank you for listing the protocol you followed to get well. This and Dudley's

story on how he recovered from MS is what they should be using as teaching

material in medical schools.

Phil's recommend that his Atomidine be taken regularly is what immediately

turned me off from taking a closer look right away. I also was struck by how

this strays from how Mr. Cayce says to use it.

I'll be referring back to your post here often in the coming days as it is full

of very helpful info. And I'll be taking a look at your web site very soon.

Wishing you wellness,

Joyce

" Do not fear what may happen tomorrow.

The same loving Father who cares for you

today will care for you tomorrow and

every day.

Either He will shield you form suffering

or He will give you unfailing strength

to bear it.

Be at peace, then, and put aside all

anxious thoughts and imaginings. "

- St. Francis de Sales

>

> Hi Joyce,

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> I am convinced Phil ' Detoxified Iodine is the best product

> available. I wish I had known about it during my protocol. I am not

> convinced, however, that one should be taking it the way he recommends to

> take it. I don't believe Cayce ever recommended life-long supplementation

> of any kind.

>

> Please share the address of the website you found the reviews of the

> various products. Thanks ;-)

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> Cheers,

> Robin

> www.healthforlifecoloncare.com

> www.westonaprice-elgin.org

> " Let thy food be thy medicine and thy medicine be thy food. "

> --Hippocrates (460-377 B.C.)

> Just be careful how you define food ;-)

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[Guest guest]

Kathy by what tests are you deterring that your thyroid is fine. Being in a range is not an all clear. Both my children were "in the ranges" but at the low end. They are both on 2 grains of Armour thyroid now and doing well. Most docs would have declared them fine. But mine - thank God - knew better and to look at symptoms. My hunch with you is there are a few things going on:

1) You are very toxic and that is why you have all these health issues

2) You have been low thyroid for a long time

3) Undertreated thyroid has now cause adrenal fatigue as it can no longer pick up the slack.

4) I will make a guess that your sex hormones are in the dumper now as well.

Do you have recent lab test? The best ones to check are TSH, Free T3 and Free T4

Steph

Thyroid nodules

Last week while having a carotid ultrasound the tech found 2 nodules in my Rt thyroid gland. I understand that thryoid nodules are due to iodine insufficiency. My thyroid blood work has always been normal but I have very low AM temps and a lot of other symptoms of hypothyroidism. I tried Lugol's a few months ago and didn't seem to tolerate it (can't remember what it did but I didn't like the feeling) I am so tired and so mentally exhausted from years of trying to battle health issues (a number of autoimmune disorders) naturally that I just don't seem to be able to focus on how to address this issue. My weariness actually scares me- I just feel like lying down and giving up. (I won't but that's how I feel most of the time lately) Brain fog is a huge issue right now. I read and then can't remember what I read (scary- I'm a nurse and need to be able to think fast!!!)Where do I start in addressing this issue? Is there a website that outlines it all?Thanks so much!God blessKathy C (in Canada)

[Guest guest]

Steph thanks for the quick reply.

Yes your analysis of my issues is right on I believe. I chuckled at #4- how

did you know?

I don't have recent lab work. Yearly my doc does the usual standard TSH and I

believe T3 and T4 - also checked for thyroid antibodies (that was a couple of

years ago). She always says that my results are normal- but I know that

doesn't mean much.

I am on a bit of adrenal support (Nature's Sunshine)- probably not enough. And

yes I believe I am very toxic. I did a bowel fast and cleanse last year- felt

great on it (and passed a lot of awful stuff) but after within days broke out in

shingles (my second outbreak) and candida flared.

I have been to various natural healers- they all have certain things they focus

on -some are helpful some are not.

I have developed gluten and dairy intolerance. Candida is a huge issue too.

Lately I am also having a lot of irregular and pounding heartbeats- quite

disconcerting. I'm sure it's some imbalance. Oh the list seems endless!!!

I see my doc in a couple of weeks for my annual- what tests should I ask her to

do?

Thanks for your help!

God bless

Kathy C

>

> Kathy by what tests are you deterring that your thyroid is fine. Being in a

range is not an all clear. Both my children were " in the ranges " but at the low

end. They are both on 2 grains of Armour thyroid now and doing well. Most docs

would have declared them fine. But mine - thank God - knew better and to look

at symptoms. My hunch with you is there are a few things going on:

>

> 1) You are very toxic and that is why you have all these health issues

> 2) You have been low thyroid for a long time

> 3) Undertreated thyroid has now cause adrenal fatigue as it can no longer

pick up the slack.

> 4) I will make a guess that your sex hormones are in the dumper now as well.

>

> Do you have recent lab test? The best ones to check are TSH, Free T3 and Free

T4

>

> Steph

>

>

> Thyroid nodules

>

>

> Last week while having a carotid ultrasound the tech found 2 nodules in my

Rt thyroid gland. I understand that thryoid nodules are due to iodine

insufficiency. My thyroid blood work has always been normal but I have very low

AM temps and a lot of other symptoms of hypothyroidism. I tried Lugol's a few

months ago and didn't seem to tolerate it (can't remember what it did but I

didn't like the feeling) I am so tired and so mentally exhausted from years of

trying to battle health issues (a number of autoimmune disorders) naturally that

I just don't seem to be able to focus on how to address this issue. My weariness

actually scares me- I just feel like lying down and giving up. (I won't but

that's how I feel most of the time lately)

>

> Brain fog is a huge issue right now. I read and then can't remember what I

read (scary- I'm a nurse and need to be able to think fast!!!)

>

> Where do I start in addressing this issue? Is there a website that outlines

it all?

>

> Thanks so much!

>

> God bless

>

> Kathy C (in Canada)

>

[Guest guest]

LOL! I knew #4 because that is the natural progression. It all goes in the dumper.

I would test:

TSH

Free T3

Free T4

Tg Ab

TPO Ab

B-12

Ferritin / Iron

Estridiol

Testosterone

Progesterone

DHEA

Pregnenolone

CBC

That should get you started. In the mean time. Vit C and unrefined salt help the adrenals. You can also try to find an adrenal glandular. You are in Canada right? Not sure what you can get there. I take Biotics Research Cytozyme AD.

For the pounding heart, you may need some magnesium. 400 mgs would probably help. Do you drink 1/2 your body weight in clean water?

For candida coconut oil helps this. I add it to smoothies, my coffee and cook things in it.

Can you remember what your issues were with iodine? My guess is it was detox and adrenals.

I get/ or should say got shingles until I was treated with all my holisitic *stuff*.

Without some lab values it's hard to know where you are starting from. But the few things I gave you can help. I am gluten free as well. Here is a link to my blog if you are interested in some recipes http://glutenfreenaturally.blogspot.com/ My son is dairy free and gluten free so there are some "friendly" recipes there. We use the Enjoy Life Cookies for Everyone cookbook which is totally allergy free. We got it on Amazon.com. I love it!!

Thyroid nodules> > > Last week while having a carotid ultrasound the tech found 2 nodules in my Rt thyroid gland. I understand that thryoid nodules are due to iodine insufficiency. My thyroid blood work has always been normal but I have very low AM temps and a lot of other symptoms of hypothyroidism. I tried Lugol's a few months ago and didn't seem to tolerate it (can't remember what it did but I didn't like the feeling) I am so tired and so mentally exhausted from years of trying to battle health issues (a number of autoimmune disorders) naturally that I just don't seem to be able to focus on how to address this issue. My weariness actually scares me- I just feel like lying down and giving up. (I won't but that's how I feel most of the time lately) > > Brain fog is a huge issue right now. I read and then can't remember what I read (scary- I'm a nurse and need to be able to think fast!!!)> > Where do I start in addressing this issue? Is there a website that outlines it all?> > Thanks so much!> > God bless> > Kathy C (in Canada)>