Armour thyroid

[Guest guest]

I believe in the 'law of attraction' - the more we keep talking about something, the more power we give it! -start talking about everlasting plentiful supplies of Armour please!!

[Guest guest]

I expect it would cost a great deal of money to run a successful campaign.

Producers of traditional fats such as coconut and palm oil didn't manage to

mount much of a defence when their products were slagged off by promoters of

corn oil, sunflower oil and margarine, for example.

http://www.newtrendspublishing.com/OOA/index.php

Miriam

> What I cant get my head around is that Forrest just dont do anything about the

attempts to bury their product....they just ignore it all.

[Guest guest]

I said this to my endo, I actually said that I'd rather be dead than go back to

living that half life in constant pain and depression.

Glynis

I never want to go back to the way I was on levothyroxine alone... It was half a

life, and not a particularly good one at that. Why do these people want to do

this to us?

> Worried Cat.

>

[Guest guest]

**** I just hope Forrest don't fold under the pressure and stop making the stuff...

Hi Cat,

I sincerely hope so too. As Sheila said, the UK proportion of sales is just too small.... and - if the RCP have their way - getting smaller by the day....

Why are they doing this to us? Money, money, money.... The "health industrie" is just that - an industrie. Just like any other industrie, their main agenda is to make money - lots of it. Armour is not a synthetic drug, therefore, I believe, not patentable by the Pharma industries ... which means no mega bugs can be made from it. Our health as such doesn't really come into it. Our sickness is what makes the whole industry money, doctors and drug companies alike. The Pharma industries have enough power (money) and influence to make doctors see things their way. A synthetic drug is all that is needed.... backed up by "science" - this is what doctors are taught at med school, and this is the principle they treat by. Very few doctors (and often those who are hypothyroid themselves) break the mould and think for themselves.

synical

[Guest guest]

> synical [:-s]>

Goad, too early in the day for me, fingers not coordinated yet <G>

cynical

[Guest guest]

I honestly doubt they would ever be successful - they are just

all working together to try to make doctors believe natural thyroid extract is

bad because, because, because…. but we have the answers. They tell us

something that is wrong, we write back to them and give them the facts and the

evidence to show this. I believe if enough pressure is put on them (the

endocrinology specialty) they will start to believe we might actually be

telling the truth, and the BTA et all is not. I have great faith…I

couldn't carry on if I hadn't.

Luv - Sheila

-- In thyroid treatment ,

" Sheila " <sheila@...> wrote:

>

> Thank you Janet - I think they are trying to get it banned world-wide.

>

>

>

> luv - Sheila

>

>

I really hope not, Sheila... I never want to go back to the way I was on

levothyroxine alone... It was half a life, and not a particularly good one at

that. Why do these people want to do this to us?

I just hope Forrest don't fold under the pressure and stop making the stuff...

Worried Cat.

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I honestly don't believe that Forest are worried . They have enough

orders for their Armour without having to worry about what might be happening

within the UK. However, should a similar Diktat be brought into force in the

USA, then they might get off their back sides and start to fight back.

Afshin at International Pharmacy tells me that 80% of his sales are for Armour

Thyroid.

luv - Sheila

[Guest guest]

Are you trying to write something . This is the second

message you have sent with nothing in it. *grin*.

Luv - Sheila

I honestly don't believe that Forest are worried . They have

enough orders for their Armour without having to worry about what might be

happening within the UK. However, should a similar Diktat be brought into force

in the USA, then they might get off their back sides and start to fight

back. Afshin at International Pharmacy tells me that 80% of his sales are

for Armour Thyroid.

luv - Sheila

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Steph

The NHS test does not as far as we know chewck for T3 at all. Sue

originally came up as borderline low on the NHS test, was prescribed

thyroxine and didn't get on with it, then tried Armour thyroid and had a big

improvement. Later she had a private test which showed her T3 was low.

Some experienced practitioners reckon that the standard test can give false

clears and that patients should be diagnosed for thyroid problems on the

basis of symptoms even if they do not show low T4 on the test.

Just today we have heard reports that Armour thyroid may no longer be

available in the UK from our normal source. Can anyone throw any light on

this? Does anyone know an alternative UK supplier?

Ian

_____

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of

Sent: 07 May 2009 23:48

Subject: RE: Re: Glutathione infusion - good or bad?

Ian

What testing did Sue have done to work out that her T4 to T3 conversion

mechanism wasn't working properly? I have had standard NHS thyroid testing

done [last april] and when the results came back I didn't get to see them -

a doctor in the practice just said everything was normal and yet from

everthing I have read and from looking at the symptoms mine correlate with a

thyroid which is not working properly. If I knew what tests to get done I

could get them done privately.

Best wishes

Steph

From: Ian Kemp <ianandsue.kemp@ <mailto:ianandsue.kemp%40ukgateway.net>

ukgateway.net>

Subject: RE: Re: Glutathione infusion - good or bad?

groups (DOT) <mailto:%40> com

Date: Thursday, 7 May, 2009, 12:18 AM

I think Joni will be referring to intravenous infusions. These have

certainly been a huge factor in Sue's recovery and she has never had any

problems even at high dosage. Maybe however this is not surprising as a lot

of her immune system problems were due to glutathione having become severely

depleted. Infusions have been more effective than oral doses because of her

gut problems (leading to poor absorption).

Marc's the first person I've heard of with a bad adverse reaction to

glutathione, but it just goes to show that we are all different and what

works for one does not necessarily work for another. As Marc says, very

sensible to try a small test dose first!

Incidentally Sue also uses Armour thyroid (T4+T3) which again is a big help

to her. Synthetic thyroxine (T4) was no good. It looks as if her body's T4

to T3 conversion mechanism is not working properly.

Ian

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spiralwindintrees

Sent: 06 May 2009 21:50

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Subject: Re: Glutathione infusion - good or bad?

Hi Joni,

I assume you are referring to injections? This was something I was

considering. My holistic MD said the only side effect she had ever seen in

people was a headache immediately after. I have decided to try dietary

methods and soon I will check to see if this is bringing my level up. If not

then I may reconsider injections.

Kathy

>

> I am considering this... any experiences or opinions?

>

> Thanks

>

> Joni

>

[Guest guest]

 

Hi,

 

I saw your post on Armour Thyroid which reminded me that I needed to look up

what I could so that I can some how get better. My body temperature is all over

the place.. but consistently low. It has even been around 95 point something for

days. Then I read that the body needs selenium and zinc to produce certain of

the needed thyroid hormones. I took some selenium and zinc(also needs manganese)

and my body temp did come up some. But because of the trouble I have with EMF

sensitivity, it has been difficult for me to tolerate minerals(which seems to

draw the electricity worse into my body).

 

Anyway, I am sending the link to the article I read and an exerpt which may be

helpful to some if they were unaware of the following:

 

Finally, again on the subject of gut dysbiosis, we know that yeast such as

candida produce acetaldehyde, a very toxic chemical. If the body is chronically

exposed to this chemical it can accumulate in body tissues and prevent T3

getting into the cells. This could be one explanation as to why thyroid blood

tests come back normal when someone has hypothyroid symptoms and a low body

temperature. The body would not know anything was wrong and would maintain blood

levels of thyroid hormones as normal but the patient would experience

hypothyroid symptoms.

 

http://www.ei-resource.org/illness-information/related-conditions/thyroid-treatm\

ents/

From: Ian Kemp <ianandsue.kemp@ <mailto:ianandsue. kemp%40ukgateway .net>

ukgateway.net>

Subject: RE: Re: Glutathione infusion - good or bad?

groups (DOT) <mailto:% 40groups. com> com

Date: Thursday, 7 May, 2009, 12:18 AM

I think Joni will be referring to intravenous infusions. These have

certainly been a huge factor in Sue's recovery and she has never had any

problems even at high dosage. Maybe however this is not surprising as a lot

of her immune system problems were due to glutathione having become severely

depleted. Infusions have been more effective than oral doses because of her

gut problems (leading to poor absorption).

Marc's the first person I've heard of with a bad adverse reaction to

glutathione, but it just goes to show that we are all different and what

works for one does not necessarily work for another. As Marc says, very

sensible to try a small test dose first!

Incidentally Sue also uses Armour thyroid (T4+T3) which again is a big help

to her. Synthetic thyroxine (T4) was no good. It looks as if her body's T4

to T3 conversion mechanism is not working properly.

Ian

_____

From: groups (DOT) com [mailto:] On Behalf Of

spiralwindintrees

Sent: 06 May 2009 21:50

groups (DOT) com

Subject: Re: Glutathione infusion - good or bad?

Hi Joni,

I assume you are referring to injections? This was something I was

considering. My holistic MD said the only side effect she had ever seen in

people was a headache immediately after. I have decided to try dietary

methods and soon I will check to see if this is bringing my level up. If not

then I may reconsider injections.

Kathy

>

> I am considering this... any experiences or opinions?

>

> Thanks

>

> Joni

>

[Guest guest]

Two other reasons for T3 not getting into the cells would be low ferritin and

adrenal problems. Consistently low temps do indicate hypothyroid, but temps

that are all over the place, can also mean low adrenals. When I was first on

Armour, my lab numbers got to the place where they looked GOOD, but I felt awful

-- hypo and hyper symptoms....and still low temps. I used a lot of adrenal

support and that helped some, but once I started taking iron for the low

ferritin, my body really seemed to be able to use Armour -- the hyper symptoms

went away and the hypo ones are getting much better with each raise. (Now if it

will only fix the fluorescent light problems once I get optimized.....)

Amy

________________________________

From: laurel canyon <laurelarc@...>

Sent: Friday, May 8, 2009 12:11:51 AM

Subject: Re: Armour thyroid

Hi,

I saw your post on Armour Thyroid which reminded me that I needed to look up

what I could so that I can some how get better. My body temperature is all over

the place.. but consistently low. It has even been around 95 point something for

days. Then I read that the body needs selenium and zinc to produce certain of

the needed thyroid hormones. I took some selenium and zinc(also needs manganese)

and my body temp did come up some. But because of the trouble I have with EMF

sensitivity, it has been difficult for me to tolerate minerals(which seems to

draw the electricity worse into my body).

Anyway, I am sending the link to the article I read and an exerpt which may be

helpful to some if they were unaware of the following:

Finally, again on the subject of gut dysbiosis, we know that yeast such as

candida produce acetaldehyde, a very toxic chemical. If the body is chronically

exposed to this chemical it can accumulate in body tissues and prevent T3

getting into the cells. This could be one explanation as to why thyroid blood

tests come back normal when someone has hypothyroid symptoms and a low body

temperature. The body would not know anything was wrong and would maintain blood

levels of thyroid hormones as normal but the patient would experience

hypothyroid symptoms.

http://www.ei- resource. org/illness- information/ related-conditio ns/thyroid-

treatments/

[Guest guest]

Hi Joyce

I am new to the group and I think your message is following my long topic.

At the GP, I was quoted TSH normal range as being 0.10-4 and T4 11-22.

I hope that helps.

I too would be interested in who is willing to prescribe Armour or Cytomel on the NHS.

I don't know if for me having the natural stuff is more crucial than the synthetic, I just want doses matching up. I agree that it's not fair to have to pay yourself!

Take care now

Fiona.

Armour Thyroid

Hi Sheila,I just caught a mention on the site of a list of endos who would prescribe Armour. Unfortunately, I was not quite quick enough and the next time I looked the reference had disappeared. I would be most grateful if you could let me have a list of these enlightened medics, as it is obviously quite wrong that we should have to pay for our tablets.For the same reason, I also missed the correct THS figures you quoted. It would be useful if I could have those, please. Hope you are keeping well.Best wishesJoyce

[Guest guest]

thanks Sheila.

everything is crossed.

J x

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi Bee,

>

> I've been on Armour thyroid for about 11 years now for Hashimoto's. I am

taking 30mg 2x/day right now. I just read on this post about the natural

dessicated thryoid shortage. Last time I refilled in early Aug at Sam's

Pharmacy, they told me they could not fill it all and did not know when they

would have more.

>

> Thanks so much, Leesa

>

Hi Lessa,

Dr Mercola had something recently about it being taken off the market. He was

trying to get more info. You could do a search on his site.

C.

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi Bee,

>

> I've been on Armour thyroid for about 11 years now for Hashimoto's. I am

taking 30mg 2x/day right now. I just read on this post about the natural

dessicated thryoid shortage. Last time I refilled in early Aug at Sam's

Pharmacy, they told me they could not fill it all and did not know when they

would have more. They did not tell me of this problem, so I just assumed that

by the time I needed more, they would have more in. The script is written large

to last several months. Well, I'm getting low now and am concerned I won't be

able to refill. Of course, if I must, I'll look for it or talk with my natural

dr about changing to another more available brand.

>

> My question for you, though, would it be unwise or not safe just to go off of

it when I run out? I know you don't recommend using any hormones, even

bioidentical, and I've stopped the others I was using. But I continued the

Armour hoping that in a few months, I could start cutting back. Am I impeding

progress on the diet by continuing to take Armour?

>

+++Hi Leesa. No you will not impede your progress on this program if you do not

take Armour.

The best, Bee

[Guest guest]

Leesa, please see my reply to your previous message.

Bee

>

> Hi Bee

>

> In connection with my last post, I thought I should tell you I've been fully

on the diet since mid-July. I've experienced die-off, not sure if I've done any

retracing. I do have some lupus sores on my head and chest--I guess that is

retracing. Yesterday evening, though, my bowels got really loose, I've had some

sinus issues going on for a few days, and my stomach is bothering me this

morning--I'm guessing more die-off.

>

> From last post:

>

> My question for you, though, would it be unwise or not safe just to go off of

it when I run out? I know you don't recommend using any hormones, even

bioidentical, and I've stopped the others I was using. But I continued the

Armour hoping that in a few months, I could start cutting back. Am I impeding

progress on the diet by continuing to take Armour?

>

> Thank you! Leesa

>

[Guest guest]

> Hi again Bee,

My question was will I impede progress on the diet while continuing to take

thyroid hormone? And would it be safe since I've been on it a number of years

to stop taking it at this point? I'm trying to determine if I should bother to

find natural thyroid anywhere or just stop taking it. Thank you! Leesa

> >

> > My question for you, though, would it be unwise or not safe just to go off

of it when I run out? I know you don't recommend using any hormones, even

bioidentical, and I've stopped the others I was using. But I continued the

Armour hoping that in a few months, I could start cutting back. Am I impeding

progress on the diet by continuing to take Armour?

> >

> +++Hi Leesa. No you will not impede your progress on this program if you do

not take Armour.

>

> The best, Bee

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, If you are lucky enough to have a NHS prescription then you won't want to be paying for it. Ask doc to write a new prescription for ERFA thyroid- Sheila has an updated letter in the files from MRHA saying this is OK. > Subject: Re: armour thyroid> > > > > >> > Help any one. Just been to boots and i have been told they cannot get any supplies of Armour at all so i have to go back to g.p. and ask for something else does any one know if nature throid is readily available or what else is there available that i can ask for . marie> >> > > Hi,> best to forget about Armour for now due to unreliability of Forest and also the re-formulation (hypo) problems due to its' lack of bio-availability and potency.> > Below are internet pharmacies where you can obtain almost identical NDT.> > http://www.valuepharmaceuticals.com/Armour-Thyroid.php Read about Armour there. It is obviously a generic but being from Canada would be safe I think. When you get to the section that requires you to fill out a prescription, just tick 'no prescription required'. You can purchase and pay by credit card. (Although it is called Armour on the website, it is in fact Erfa Thyroid as below. ) you can just buy it privately from here.> > http://thyroid.erfa.net/ - Erfa `Thyroid' requires a prescription. It is very similar to the `original' Armour Thyroid before it was changed to its new formulae. Your NHS doctor can prescribe it for you in the same way they can also prescribe Armour Thyroid, Nature Throid and Westhroid.> > Hope this helps. > L> > > > > ------------------------------------> > TPA is not medically qualified. Consult with a qualified medical practitioner before changing medication.> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Marie, Ask for ERFA as this is more like the 'old' Armour. > Subject: armour thyroid> > i think i have been misunderstood i have been getting armour on prescription off my doctor for a while now. I went to Boots today with my prescription and was told they can't get armour at all so i have to go back to my G.P. and ask for something else and i was wondering if Nature throid is available so i can ask for that i have used it before and was fine while taking it.Or is there another brand i can ask for. Re armour just the last few weeks i have had cold feet and been really tired of a morning this is the first time i have felt any symptoms since taking New Armour. Can any one help. > > > > ------------------------------------> > TPA is not medically qualified. Consult with a qualified medical practitioner before changing medication.> >

[Guest guest]

Nature Throid, Westhroid and Armour Thyroid are not available at

this point in time, but hopefully, they will have them ready for shipping to

the pharmacies again in the middle of January. Your doctor can instead, change

your prescription to Erfa 'Thyroid'. See the details in the INTERNET PHARMACIES folder in our FILES section. Also, go to the Armour Folder and you will find a

letter from the Medicines and Healthcare Regulatory Agency (MHRA) saying that

NHS doctors can prescribe all of the above natural thyroid extract, but must

take responsibility for this themselves as their medical insurance does not

cover them if anything should go wrong. This is because all remain unlicensed

in the UK.

Luv - Sheila

Help any one. Just been to boots and i have

been told they cannot get any supplies of Armour at all so i have to go back to

g.p. and ask for something else does any one know if nature throid is readily

available or what else is there available that i can ask for . marie

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>

> Hi Everybody

>

> I again wrote to Afshin today at Internaitonal Pharmacy to ask for

clarification regarding stocks of Armour Thyroid. Below is his response.

>

> Luv - Sheila

> ____________________________

>

>

> Hi Sheila,

>

>

> There is no plan to discontinue any strengths of Armour. I ran out of stock

of 90mg and now only have 15mg and 30mg available. 60mg and 90mg should become

available in a few days.

>

>

> Higher strengths are still scheduled to be shipped to wholesalers mid-October

but I bet there will be small delays.

> Best

> afshin

Hi Sheila, I am desperate for 1/4 grain Armour yet Int Pharmacy says it

doesn't have any Armour at all whenever I visit their site. Do I need to email

or do something different, do you know?

best, rubyx

>

[Guest guest]

Send a private email to Afshin at afshin@...

and ask him if he can fill your order for 30mgs Armour Thyroid. He doesn't have

a lot in so doesn't put it on the web site.

Luv - Sheila

Hi Sheila, I am desperate for 1/4 grain Armour yet Int Pharmacy says it doesn't

have any Armour at all whenever I visit their site. Do I need to email or do

something different, do you know?

best, rubyx

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>

> Fiona purchased Armour Thyroid and Cytomel last Spring/Summer when she was

> not getting a diagnosis from her doctor. At the same time as her tablets

> came through, her doctor DID give her a diagnosis of hypothyroidism and she

> was started on levothyroxine so had no further use for these products.

> Therefore, she is left with an opened tub of 1 grain Armour and an unopened

> tub of 100 1 grain Armour tablets and an open tub of Cytomel and an unopened

> tub of Cytomel. I don't think many tablets have been used from the opened

> tubs. If you are running short of either of these, please will you contact

> Fiona at hodgkiss@... and deal with her direct. She bought both of

> these from www.internationalpharmacy. Hope this helps somebody.

>

> Luv - Sheila

>

Many thanks to Sheila for happily posting this info.

However just to clarify my e-mail contact is:

f.hodgkiss@...

I look forward to hearing from somebody soon.

Take care now

Fiona.

[Guest guest]

Hi Joyce

You may want to do some back reading. Having purchased a larger quantity and

not frequenting the forum, you may not know that Forrest changed the formula and

many have had a return to hypo symptoms.

As a result many of us wouldnt touch Armour with a barge pole and have changed

to Thyroid S or Erfa Thyroid.

May I suggest you check your current tabs and confirm if they are soft and

smelly ('old' armour) or hard and do not dissolve and not smelly ('new' armour)

F

>

> Dear Sheila,

>

> Since writing my previous note to you this evening I have spent about 2 hours

on the Internet trying to find a supplier of either Armour or

Westroid/Nature-Throid. As you probably know yourself, no one has any and

neither would they take orders.

>

> It is probably an understatement to say that this is a very worrying and

frightening situation for everyone. I ordered four bottles some time ago so

haven't tried to order for some time. Is there anything we can do? I presume

you are having difficulty yourself.

>

> Regards

> Joyce

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Joyce

You may want to do some back reading. Having purchased a larger quantity and

not frequenting the forum, you may not know that Forrest changed the formula and

many have had a return to hypo symptoms.

As a result many of us wouldnt touch Armour with a barge pole and have changed

to Thyroid S or Erfa Thyroid.

May I suggest you check your current tabs and confirm if they are soft and

smelly ('old' armour) or hard and do not dissolve and not smelly ('new' armour)

F

>

> Dear Sheila,

>

> Since writing my previous note to you this evening I have spent about 2 hours

on the Internet trying to find a supplier of either Armour or

Westroid/Nature-Throid. As you probably know yourself, no one has any and

neither would they take orders.

>

> It is probably an understatement to say that this is a very worrying and

frightening situation for everyone. I ordered four bottles some time ago so

haven't tried to order for some time. Is there anything we can do? I presume

you are having difficulty yourself.

>

> Regards

> Joyce

>