Armour

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> Hi Mazzy,

>  

> too much too soon in my opinion. Just like going up a mountain, you

need to keep making camp to acclimatise . Have you gone to the Files

and read 'how to take your Armour'.If you go too quick you'll go hypa

and get all these palpitations and chest pain (I did it too and ended

up in A & E thinking I was having a heart attack).I know you're

desperate to get well so you can deal with what's going on in your

life, but you need to get really clear with your treatment plan first.

> Until you can see Dr P draw up your own plan .... make a chart

maybe.Plot out your increments of Armour increase. If you still go

hypa then it tells you that an associated condition needs attending

to. You didn't say if you've checked for candida (you can do the spit

test if you're strapped for cash).Go to the files and get the list of

associated conditions and work through them.

> What dose of supplements are you taking ? Co enzyme Q10 is very

helpful as is Siberian ginseng. Could you afford to get an adrenal

profile done (it's not too expensive) this will tell you exactly

what's what with your adrenals.... if the test shows up a problem,

then that could very well be the cause of your problems. It may be

that you need further adrenal support (best see Dr P about this

depending on the adrenal result).

> Are you taking nothing at all right now then ??? You should

probably go back to the dose you were on previously that caused you

no ill effects and take that as your 'base camp'. Have you made

a temperature chart ?

>  

> julia

>

Hi

Thank you for your reply. I am taking nutri adrenal extra (2 tabs)

and nutri adrenal normal 4 tabs since November. Also, Iron, vit D,

balanced zinc and copper, vitamin c, selenium and B complex. I also

take digestive enzymes (when I can remember)

I did the spit test for candida which indictaed that I had it and I

felt I probaby had as I always have thrush. Can't afford to get tests

done at the moment (I have them here ready to do though - ASI and 24

hr thyroid urine) I am not taking anything at the moment since

Tuesday. I will start again tomorrow on 1/4 grain tab twice a day and

see if the hyper returns. It worries me not to be taking anything at

all having been medicated for the last 3 years as I really don't want

all the hypo symptoms returning with a vengeance.

Anything else you can suggest is most welcome

Mazzy

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Look

in our FILES and scroll down until you see the file named " How to Use

natural Thyroid Extract " . Read everything there, it tells you where you

can purchase Armour and everything you need to know.

Luv -

Sheila

Could someone please tell my where I can get armour

thyroid on the internet. Thanks

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Its here on page 197 for NHS scripts not private for 2007.

 

http://www.ic.nhs.uk/webfiles/publications/PCA%20publication/PCA%202007%20complete%20V2.pdf

 

mary

On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 4:34 PM, Sheila <sheila@...> wrote:

I have just spoken with somebody at Idis World Medicines to see if they could give me an idea of the number of prescriptions for natural desiccated thyroid for the years 2007/2008. I am trying to find the approximate number of patients in the UK who are using natural thyroid extract only. Unfortunately, they told me that because they source natural thyroid extract on a named patient basis only, they are not allowed to give out such information. I am quite desperate to get this information, and surely it should be available from somewhere. There should be knowledge about the number of prescriptions for natural extract and the number of prescriptions for levothyroxine only. I have written to Prescription Pricing Authority of the NHS, but Idis told me they doubted very much that they would give me such information also.

Can anybody help here please. Believe me, I really DO need this information and fairly urgently.

luv - Sheila

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Many thanks - you have definitely made my day. This is

brilliant.

Luv - Sheila

Its here on page 197 for NHS scripts not private for

2007.

http://www.ic.nhs.uk/webfiles/publications/PCA%20publication/PCA%202007%20complete%20V2.pdf

mary

On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 4:34 PM, Sheila <sheila@...> wrote:

I

have just spoken with somebody at Idis World Medicines to see if they could

give me an idea of the number of prescriptions for natural desiccated thyroid

for the years 2007/2008.

I am trying to find the approximate number of patients in the UK who are using

natural thyroid extract only. Unfortunately, they told me that because they

source natural thyroid extract on a named patient basis only, they are not

allowed to give out such information. I am quite desperate to get this

information, and surely it should be available from somewhere. There should be

knowledge about the number of prescriptions for natural extract and the number

of prescriptions for levothyroxine only. I have written to Prescription Pricing

Authority of the NHS, but Idis told me they doubted very much that they would

give me such information also.

Can

anybody help here please. Believe me, I really DO need this information and

fairly urgently.

luv

- Sheila

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HI

Chuck - yes, I remember, but the figures I need are specifically for the UK

alone. sent me a link last night to the NHS Drug prescriptions issued 2007 (Page 191). Hopefully, Bob

will be able to help me as I have one of those brains that goes blank when it

comes to figures and percentages. Hope you are around Bob.

http://www.ic.nhs.uk/webfiles/publications/PCA%20publication/PCA%202007%20complete%20V2.pdf

(Page 191)

Luv - Sheila

We figured last year that Armour constituted about 5% of all thyroid

prescriptions. I don't know how to limit that to one country, except to

assume a proportionate usage.

Chuck

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Hi Sheila,

I looked at the numbers for Armour; they're minuscule from NHS Pxs.

They spent about £600m on diabetes drugs.

and about £69,000 on Armour ~ about half what they spent on just Magnesium

Carbonate capsules at between £1-1.5 per capsule for a total spend on just this

latter item of £120,000.

It's quite ludicrous. Bitching about the unit cost of Armour when the equivalent

cost for a lesser effective treatment bears no comparison to the overall cost of

treatment and care thoughout life, in the event of the lesser effective so-say

'cheaper' drug being used exclusively, whilst the residual signs and symptoms

are either ignored or worse, blamed on the patient....

They spent just £400 on 200 Pxs for iodine.

for a total spend on thyroid + antithyroid drugs of about $46m

(£41.6m on all hypothyroid treatments)

Bob

> HI Chuck - yes, I remember, but the figures I need are specifically for the

> UK alone. sent me a link last night to the NHS Drug prescriptions

> issued 2007 (Page 191). Hopefully, Bob will be able to help me as I have one

> of those brains that goes blank when it comes to figures and percentages.

> Hope you are around Bob.

>

>

>

http://www.ic.nhs.uk/webfiles/publications/PCA%20publication/PCA%202007%20comple\

te%20V2.pdf

(Page 191)

>

>

> Luv - Sheila

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Hi Sheila

Food grade (light) Magnesium carbonate costs about £12/kg 'cept they use heavy

magnesium carbonate (magnesite?)

encapsulated:- it's hugely different

at £1 per 500mg ~ I make that £2000/kg someone's telling porkies and ripping the

NHS off

I could weigh that by hand and earn way more than a consultant.

best wishes

Bob

(I daren't say how much they spend on (v.poorly absorbed) magnesium oxide)

>

>

>

> HI Chuck - yes, I remember, but the figures I need are specifically for theUK

alone.

sent me a link last night to the NHS Drug prescriptions

issued 2007 (Page 191). Hopefully, Bob will be able to help me as I have one of

those brains that goes blank when it comes to figures and percentages.

Hope you are around Bob.

>

[Guest guest]

Shelia, went to the website filled in all the pages of detail and last page

would only accept from states within america when you put your own name and

address. I couldnt even use an american state as the postcodes didnt match

F

> Hi

>

> Did you report this matter to the FDA and give them the batch number and if

> you did, have they acknowledged your complaint? If not, I would send them a

> reminder

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Seems odd that the FDA is parochial when their military is global?

and they are supplying drugs (prescribed, globally).

Bob

>

> Shelia, went to the website filled in all the pages of detail and last page

would only accept from states within america when you put your own name and

address. I couldnt even use an american state as the postcodes didnt match

>

> F

[Guest guest]

Hmmm! Where do you report problems with drugs in Australia

. I would go there first and take it from there.

luv - Sheila

>

> Shelia, went to the website filled in all the pages of detail and last

page would only accept from states within america when you put your own name

and address. I couldnt even use an american state as the postcodes didnt match

>

> F

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Hi Margaret,

I picked up my prescription for Armour from the chemist this afternoon, glad to

hear you will get yours tomorrow.

Luv - Lynne

>

> Thought you might like to know I obtained my prescription for

Armour yesterday.My pharmasist has just rang to say they will be with her in the

morning.CAN YOU BELEIVE IT.Thank you Sheila so much for your help.It only took

me 8 months (hee Hee) but I got there in the end.

[Guest guest]

Thanks Sheila

I am happy for one big reason,that is just maybe I have helped someone who is not as forceful or "cheeky"as me.I stood my ground and informed him I was "having it anyway" even if I paid for it(he didnt know I already was)Its the bloody principal.Anyway as I say not all folk are like me so if the more "outgoing" try and try maybe it will help others.Heres hoping.xxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Margaret

From: Sheila <sheila@...>thyroid treatment Sent: Thursday, 9 July, 2009 18:44:53Subject: RE: Armour

WAHOOOO! Thumps the air with clenched fists!!! This is brilliant news Margaret - now doesn't this just go to show what determination does for you. My favourite word is 'stickitiveness' - I couldn't get anywhere without it. Well done.

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Hi ,

Yss there is a long delay for 1/2 grains, but I had my script changed to 1/4

grains and they got them for me in a much shorter time. I waited 5 weeks for

the 1/2 grains and still didn't get them, but I had the 1/4 grains in about a

fortnight.

Your pharmacist can call IDIS, as mine did, and they will tell you which sizes

are available and which they are having difficulties with.

Does anyone know if there's any probs with 1/2 grains on scrip in the uk ?

Luv - Lynne

[Guest guest]

Well, I am getting one grains OK - no problems whatsoever.

My doctor always prescribes with the 1 grain tablets even though I take three

grains. Ask for the two grain tablets and then cut them in half .

Luv - Sheila

I'm one of the lucky ones who

get Armour on prescription. However, I took my scrip to the chemist today

(where I normally get it from ) and they have phoned me this morning to say

that IDIS have no 1grain tablets in stock and can't get any. Does anyone know

if there's any probs with 1/2 grains on scrip in the uk ?

many thanks if anyone

knows anything,

julia

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It was posted on About in Jun that there was a shortage of 1/4, 1/2 & 1.5 grains.

Val

Does anyone know if there's any probs with 1/2 grains on scrip in the uk ?

[Guest guest]

Hi Marie - many thanks for letting us know how you are getting

on and how the latest increase In Armour has helped you to feel so much better.

Long may it last. Hope your GP understands why you need more grains - tell him

that you are aware the only way to find out if you are taking enough thyroid

hormone replacement is to increase until your body tells you it requires no

more and your symptoms start to go completely. Hope your cholesterol level has

come down, though CoEnzyme Q10 is usually recommended in a higher dose when it

has to do the job of lowering cholesterol. But, let's wait and see what

happens.  Our fund is rising slowly - we have almost £3600 now (somebody's

cheque bounced because it had been written on a disused cheque book). We are

now preparing some funding letters and pledge letters to send out to some firms

to see if they will help our cause.

Congratulations on losing a stone - this is wonderful news.  you

will soon be walking around the park 3 times a day *grin*.

Luv - Sheila

From: thyroid treatment

[mailto:thyroid treatment ] On Behalf Of marie

simpson

Sent: 24 July 2009 17:57

thyroid treatment

Subject: armour

Hi everyone i have been feeling rather sleepy

and bit down lately so have upped my armour to 3 1/2 grains felt hell of a lot

better today so the extra 1/2 grain had immediate effect. i have had blood test

done last friday and have had no phone call from my surgery which means

everything is ok(usually) but i have to go and see Doctor as i will need a few

more grains for my new dose. I also want to find out my cholestrol level since

i have been taking Non flush niacin and co enzyme q10 (120).Will let you know

how i get on. I did transfer a donation to the fund on 4th July and i love the

Logo lets hope the powers that be rise from the ashes and help all thyroid

sufferers like tpak has.p.s.i have lost one stone on low fat diet and i am

walking round the park twice a day now. Marie

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I thought that was all over with and we were back to normal again, does anyone

have any idea when there will be some again please?

>

> It was posted on About in Jun that there was a shortage of 1/4, 1/2 & 1.5

grains.

>

> Val

>

> Does anyone know if there's any probs with 1/2 grains on scrip in the uk ?

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks so much for the suggestion . I know that's available (I am a tech and used to work for a compounder!) but alas we have lost our health insurance and I can't even afford to go to the doc for an office visit. :-(( So, I'm trying to do what I can on my own for the time being. If we ever get insurance again and Armour disappears, I would certainly consider having it compounded.

~LoriOn Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 9:29 AM, Bag <@...> wrote:

 

Lori,

 

A good compounding pharmacist can make something very similar to Armour and the two other meds like it.

I saw a notice from of a good compounding pharmacist at my docs office that they can do it. 

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Can they get ERFA Thyroid from Canada, instead?

(via IDIS)

Bob

>

>

>

>

> Hi everyone,

>

> I've been off the group for a while so I'm out of touch with what's going on

with Armour supplies.Sorry if this is old-old-well-discussed news, but my

chemist has tried to get my prescription filled by IDIS this morning and they

are out of stock with no idea when there will be more supplies available. I've

got one weeks worth of Armour left, any ideas where my chemist can get some from

please ???

>

> many thanks,

>

> julia

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Yes, they are as near (composition) to Armour as can be, at about 60/65mg ie 1

grain ...

Others have reported they work just fine, and similar to Armour.

best wishes

Bob

>

>

>

> Hey Bob, good to hear from you again,

>

> does the EFRA Thyroid come in grains, that is, will it be a dosage that the

pharmacist can understand do you think ?

>

> thank you,

>

> julia

>

[Guest guest]

Ok brilliant. Thanks for that info Bob, I better get my GP to change my scrip.

Thanks so much,

julia

From: bob.m9uk <Bob.m9uk@...>thyroid treatment Sent: Tue, 17 November, 2009 13:26:28Subject: Re: Armour

Hi ,Yes, they are as near (composition) to Armour as can be, at about 60/65mg ie 1 grain ...Others have reported they work just fine, and similar to Armour.best wishesBob>> > > Hey Bob, good to hear from you again,> > does the EFRA Thyroid come in grains, that is, will it be a dosage that the pharmacist can understand do you think ?> > thank you,> > julia>

[Guest guest]

I also thought that Armour was starting to trickle back. Ask

your GP to contact Pharmara to see if they can source Armour for you. Erfa is

supposed to be good - as good as the original formulae Armour. Why can't you

tolerate Erfa and what effect are you having from it. You do need to adjust the

dose according to how you feel. I needed to decrease my dose by a full 60mgs

when I stopped Armour and started taking Erfa, but am now back up to 3 grains,

the same as Armour. You do need to persevere when changing to another brand

.

Luv - Sheila

my pharmacist

can't source any Armour to fill my scrip. I've got Erfra but want to go back to

the Armour. Does anyone know of any UK suppliers that she can try please ? IDIS

still haven't got any. I'm happy to have just the half grains which I

thought were trickling back into supply...???

[Guest guest]

Hi Konia - it is OK to use natural thyroid extract after it's

sell by date. It may be a little less potent, though I have heard of nobody

having such problems.

Armour itself is difficult to buy right at this point in time,

and I am not sure when they will be fully back in production and shipping it

again. Nature Throid and Westhroid are in a similar situation. The one thyroid

extract you can buy at the moment is the Erfa (Canadian) 'Thyroid'. This is an

excellent product and it is licensed in Canada - and cheaper than Armour. You

can buy it from www.valuepharmaceuticals.com

but they call it Armour Thyroid. It isn't. It's Erfa 'Thyroid'. You can buy

this without prescription, but if you get your Armour with a prescription given

by your GP, then he should change the prescription to 'Erfa Thyroid' and the

number of grains (or mgs) you are taking. Write on the prescription " for

the treatment of hypothyroidism " and the first change of brand, he needs

to send a letter to the pharmacy to explain why he is now prescribing Erfa. The

pharmacist will then ask Idis World medicines or Pharmarama to source it for

you. This should take a couple of weeks. The MHRA have agreed that NHS doctors

can prescribe Armour Thyroid, nature Throid, Westhroid and Erfa Thyroid, but

because it remains unlicensed, they must take full responsibility for doing

this themselves, as their medical insurance doe4sn't cover prescribing

unlicensed medicines.

Luv - Sheila

From: thyroid treatment

[mailto:thyroid treatment ] On Behalf Of hashimotosister

Sent: 31 March 2010 11:32

thyroid treatment

Subject: armour

Hi everyone,

what's the situation at the moment for getting armour? I am based int he UK.

How long after the sell-by-date can you use armour? I still have a bit left,

but it's only ok until June of this year.

Thanks for your help.

Konia

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thanks very much for that!!

All the best

Konia

>

> Hi Konia - it is OK to use natural thyroid extract after it's sell by date.

> It may be a little less potent, though I have heard of nobody having such

> problems.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Isobel, Thyroid joint pain is usually associated with levels of unconverted T4 settling in the joints causing pain and stiffness- thus the use of T3 only relieving this. However you may react differently to the T4 in Armour than artificial T4- I know I do. As you are already taking T3- which is the part of Armour that you have to take it gently for you could probably do the changeover starting a a higher level than 1/2 grain. BUT you would miss the T3 badly at first as it will leave the body in a couple of days, - say replacing 20mcg T3 with 1 grain Armour starting with 1 grain and moving up from there. Again remember that the T4 in Armour will take 25 days at least to level out between dose increases so don't be in too much of a hurry to increase. If you feel a bit whizzy then just drop the amount of T3 for a couple of days and it should settle- but this is very individual so go gently. thyroid treatment@yah

Hi

I am on 70mcgs of t3 only , my problem is my joints they are not improving at all i have been on the 70mcgs of t3 since feb i am currently taking 5 NAE have been for taking nae since before christmas. I would like to know how i would go about starting to take armour i have read the files but that only tells you how to go about it if you are on t4.

Isobel

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