Armour

[Guest guest]

Hi thanks for your post. Its interesting that you went back on

T4 - do you think you started on too high a dose or had other things

going on?

I can already feel that Armour is going to be better for me - Im

starting to lose weight and the general aches are reducing, I think its

just that Im not on a high enough dose yet, so I wanted to check out

how much I ought to be taking! Im so impatient! Not only the Armour

though, I have a rotten cold which isnt helping!

So far I can see benefits from the Armour already - so Im pretty sure I

wont be going back to the synthetic stuff!!

Gill

[Guest guest]

Hi Sheila, thanks for your support as ever. I think that Im probably

on about the right dose of 1 grain now and am going to add in a teeny

1/4 grain more.

Im already feeling some benefits - Im starting to lose weight and the

general bruise-like pains in my muscles are much better. The

stiffness coming back is similar to how Ive been on dose changes, but

Ive also got a really nasty cold and that impacts on my symptoms.

I think the not feeling 100% is really how Ive always reacted to

changes of dose of thyroid meds - so Im not going to worry about it -

I know this will come right - Im just impatient to get all my

symptoms under control and I get anxious as my job is very demanding

so I need my wits about me!

Im definitely starting to see changes and I think that Armour is

going to suit me well. I even feel as though my libido is on the way

back - whoo hoo!

Gill

>

> You should really be on 1 grain (60 mgs) now and you should stay on

that for at least 3 to 4 weeks. You should realise that the T4 in

Armour acts in the same way as the synthetic T4 - thyroxine is

thyroxine, whatever form you get it in. This has a long half life of

6 or more weeks so takes that time to get fully into your body, so

you should not feel tempted to increase your Armour because you are

feel you are not getting the full effect. That can be dangerous, and

you will get too much T3 or too much of the other hormones. This is

when people start to get palpitations and feelings of being 'spaced

out'. You have to learn to be patient. How long has it been since

your last increase.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Gill

I am really pleased you are doing well and I am sure it works for

most.

Unfortunately my dose of T4 was cut to 150 from 200 a couple of

years ago which induced osteopenia, reduced liver function and

kidney function felt absolutely terrible and so went back up to 200.

Had been on both natural thyroxine (bovine)and levo for 33 years.

I tried a little Armour to start with but my body could not take

such a low dose, my heart was blipping all the time and I knew when

I needed more during the day cos it was missing beats and I could

not catch my breath and felt extremely weak. It makes no difference

what dose I take to the irregular heart beat. I wanted to try Armour

because of the calcitonin content rather than taking levo with

calcium and vit D to try and correct the osteopenia.

Now in my 38th year of taking this hormone, I guess my body and head

is now just too used to the one daily hit of 200mcg levothyroxine

rather than two hits of Armour.

It has now been decided I take the 200mcg levothyroxine, have no

further blood tests and take the calcium when I feel I want to (when

I remember)rather than ridgidly twice a day and will be having

another bone density scan in 2 years to see if the osteopenia has

improved.

Chris

>

> Hi thanks for your post. Its interesting that you went

back on

> T4 - do you think you started on too high a dose or had other

things

> going on?

>

> I can already feel that Armour is going to be better for me - Im

> starting to lose weight and the general aches are reducing, I

think its

> just that Im not on a high enough dose yet, so I wanted to check

out

> how much I ought to be taking! Im so impatient! Not only the

Armour

> though, I have a rotten cold which isnt helping!

>

> So far I can see benefits from the Armour already - so Im pretty

sure I

> wont be going back to the synthetic stuff!!

> Gill

>

[Guest guest]

My eyes lite-up when I read that your libido is coming back by take Armour. You lucky thin!. I havent had that feeling in 15 years cant wait to start on Armour on Thursday & hope my libido comes back too. Have to warn my Husband, he'll thinks all his Birthday's have come at once LOL!

Luv

x

Im definitely starting to see changes and I think that Armour is going to suit me well. I even feel as though my libido is on the way back - whoo hoo!> > >

[Guest guest]



Hi , its early days but the signs are there!! Go for it!

For me part of my 'lack of interest' has been no interest but also that I hurt all over, with so many pains and bruised like sensations in my muscles, that it hasnt felt like a fun/lovely thing but rather a painful thing that Ive wanted to avoid! Most unlike me and such a loss!

I hope the Armour works for you me dear - you must let us know how you are getting on.

The signs are there that Armour is going to be good for me, so I do hope it is for you too!

Gill x

My eyes lite-up when I read that your libido is coming back by take Armour. You lucky thin!. I havent had that feeling in 15 years cant wait to start on Armour on Thursday & hope my libido comes back too. Have to warn my Husband, he'll thinks all his Birthday's have come at once LOL!

Luv

x

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[Guest guest]

Hi Marie,

It might be worth trying the selenium and zinc on alternate days, to

avoid a 'clash' of transporters (both use the same one, I believe).

best wishes

Bob

>

> Hi Sheila thanks for the reply i am on 3 nae i take 2 with breakfast

[Guest guest]

Go to our FILES of this forum website . You can see the File " How

too Use Armour Thyroid " . All the information about where to buy it from

is there. Unforotunately, right now, it is very difficult (impossible)

to buy the higher grains of Armour because Forest Pharmaceuticals, the

manufacturers of Armour thyroid are reformatting the high dose tablets

and as far as we are aware, they will be unavailable until the beginning

of September.

Luv - Sheila

[Guest guest]

You have to build up your Armour slowly Michele - it

contains the active hormone T3 as well as other hormones and you must allow

your body to get used to these hormones it probably hasn't been used to for

quite some time. Please be patient - most of us who are on any form of thyroid

hormone replacement were low to start with and needed to take things slowly.  If

you keep having agitated nights, then take your Armour during the day, but if

you continue to feel low, this would point to an associated condition that

needs treatment such as low adrenal reserve, systemic candidiasis or low

ferritin.

Luv - Sheila

Have changed to night time dosing on Armour, am

only on one grain at the moment and am showing Hypo signs feels quite low but

cant up the dose for a while did anyone else have to go through a low period

before getting the does right on Armour I cant believe Im going through this

again I feel very low and I hope I dont feel like it for weeks and weeks again

while I am slowing increasing the Armour, how many grains do you all take and

how do you feel on the night time doing, I had a couple of agitated nights so

far?

Thanks guys

Michele

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[Guest guest]

Thanks Sheila,

I bet you are sorry to see me back! lol

The adrenal forum seems VERY anti levoT, they say its an inadequate med and all it does is strain the adrenals, I do understand they do things differently to us, but with armour giving instant T3 its just tempting. I have been taking alternate days of 25/50mcgs of Levo for 3 weeks, as recommended by Dr P, I have only just started 50mcgs everyday which I feel I can afford to do.

Dr P knows I have been using 10mg of beta blocker a day, a very low dose and he knows I have diazapan but I havent taken that everyday and when I have its only been a very low dose. The depression now is the main thing, Ive had it before and had it before diagnosis and anyone who has had it will know how it feels. I am no longer as anxious as I was about HC but I do know its the lack of thyroid hormones that are making me not feel the benefit of it.

I was under the impression that you feel Armour is a better thyroid med than T4 Sheila?

You are probabaly right that I should try and get the thyroid back up before thinking about armour, its just so tempting to give it a try when I hear such good things about it.

As for the AD's, I dont know, they have helped before and may just perk me up a bit to cope in the meantime, but I am still not sure.

I did have some good days on holiday, my cousins wedding was wonderful but the travelling and a total of 4 flights was very hard and under normal circumstances it wouldnt have been for me.

I am beginning to see now that I probably dont have very much of my own thyroid function left because of the speed at which I have gone downhill since stopping it like I did, no ammount of cortisone will work without thyroid hormones will it?

Take care

From: Sheila <sheilaturner@...>Subject: RE: Armourthyroid treatment Date: Sunday, 2 November, 2008, 4:09 PM

Hi

I am sorry you were not well on holiday in the US - that must have been so disappointing for you all.

However, I am going to put my Mother Hen hat on right now, so please take the following in the caring manner it is meant. I still feel that you are going down too many avenues and you really need to decide whether you are going to take the advice of your GP (who will be giving you advice totally different to either Dr P or anybody else on the thyroid/adrenal forums - and don't forget, it was because you were not as well as you could be that you decided to join the forum in the first place), or whether you are going to take the recommendations of Dr P as you chose to pay to see him privately… or whether you are going to take the recommendations of TPA-UK or the recommendations from the American Adrenal forum. Each of us have different recommendations as we all go by the experiences we have received from our members or experienced ourselves. Also, you should know that in the US, they often

recommend larger doses of both thyroid or/and adrenal to what we recommend over here in the UK.

I feel strongly that the more recommendations you are getting from these different sources, the more confused and frustrated you are going to get, and the sooner you decide to take the recommendations from just one of these sources, the better and you will feel and the quicker this 'betterness' (is that a word? will come about. Again, personally, I would telephone Dr Peatfield and ask his recommendations now you have found yourself in this situation and be totally honest with him in what courses of treatment you have been on since you last spoke with him. I cannot make any recommendations right now really, and neither can the members of TPA when we know you are also taking up the recommendations from other sources. I know you are in a rush to get better, but you will only get worse by listening to too many people.

Personally, I would try to get your thyroid hormone levels back up to where they were before you stopped your levothyroxine and try to do without the anti-depressants, which will possibly cause your adrenals to suffer even more strain than they are doing right now and then once you are back on the dose (or you may not need as much as 125 mcgs) then see whether you need to change over the Armour Thyroid and whether your depression has started to life, which I am sure it will have. You could add another 25 mcgs of L-thyroxine right now and if you still have symptoms of hypothyroidism, there is no reason why you cannot add another 25 mcgs in another 4/5 weeks time. But, see if Dr P agrees with this first and see what he feels about you starting Armour.

It really is not good to be getting different recommendations from all over the place. When I mentioned to you that you might be better on the adrenal forum, I really did mean that they know more about the adrenals than we do on this forum, but you still seem unsure where you need to settle yourself, and this is unsettling to yourself and to anybody who is trying to help you because we don't know where you are at any particular time. I see you have also posted this message on the adrenal forum and you will probably get an entirely different recommendation from there than you might get from us - or they may also realise you are posting the same messages on the TPA-UK forum and may be reluctant to respond, I have no idea. So, the frustration and confusion goes full circle. I would stick with what Dr P recommends and nobody else until you start to pick up - he is the one person

that does know what he is talking about - none of us are medically qualified.

Luv - Sheila

HiI am seriously thinking about starting Armour thyroid, can anyone advice me on how I go about doing this, what dose to start on and how to take it?I am currently on 50mcgs of Levo and I know its no where near enough.I am at present very depressed and anxious, wont be able to go back to work after my holiday, I have Ad's from my doctor that I am thinking about taking but going back to see him tomorrow. I didnt really want to go down that road again but things are very hard right now, everything is an effort. My head is fuzzy and things feel unreal sometimes, and I feel detached. I think I am maybe very low in T3, armour might be better for me, does it work quicker than just taking T4? The AD's might just help me through this while I get the thyroid back inline, I also have been using HC for over 2 months but the lack of thyroid hormones have made me feel its not working but it probably

will.Can I go straight onto armour or do I have to stop the T4 for a while/Thanks everyone

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Glad you had some good days on holiday. I too wonder about going on

Armour - it seems to solve so many problems - but I have opted to see

Dr S privately and am going with his recommendations now (which is just

T4 but at a much higher dose than my GP would give). I know I don't

have as many issues as many here, but I read all the posts so I can

underatand and be informed when I speak to my Dr, which ever one.

I would stick with Dr P if I were you, he has met you and seen how you

are and has the knowledge to work with you to get you better.

I hope things improve with you,

best wishes

Kat

> You are probabaly right that I should try and get the thyroid back up

before thinking about armour, its just so tempting to give it a try

when I hear such good things about it.

[Guest guest]

Funny thing is when I saw Dr P I felt better than I do now!-

Hi ,Glad you had some good days on holiday. I too wonder about going on Armour - it seems to solve so many problems - but I have opted to see Dr S privately and am going with his recommendations now (which is just T4 but at a much higher dose than my GP would give). I know I don't have as many issues as many here, but I read all the posts so I can underatand and be informed when I speak to my Dr, which ever one.I would stick with Dr P if I were you, he has met you and seen how you are and has the knowledge to work with you to get you better.I hope things improve with you,best wishes Kat> You are probabaly right that I should try and get the thyroid back up before thinking about armour, its just so tempting to give it a try when I hear such good things about it.

[Guest guest]

I am always sorry to see members come back because they are not

getting any better , many members join us and thankfully, get back on the

road to recovery and don't need us any more, and that is wonderful. I think

many people who have experience from members of their forums do not like

levothyroxine because of what it doesn't do and yes, I am one of them. Dr

Lowe feels the levothyroxine is one of the worst drugs ever manufactured and

will not even have it in his clinic. The body needs T3, not T4. Many people do

well on T4 only, sometimes for several years, and then suddenly, it stops

working for them and they need T3, but doctors will not recognise T3. It is not

that I feel Armour is better than T4 only, I KNOW it is better, though some

people are very happy just taking T3, but you cannot live without T3 and if you

are not converting the mainly inactive T4, you should be taking some form of T3

- but with the BTA boycotting all T3 containing products, there will be less

and less chance of you being able to get this within the NHS, and it is getting

VERY expensive to buy. We are asking WHY!

However, for the moment, because you appear to be able to

convert right now, I would stay with the NHS and concentrate on getting your

thyroxine increased and do whatever it is that is necessary to get back to

where you were before - only this time, by getting your adrenals in order. Once

you are feeling almost normal again, and got over the current stressful

situation, then you might wish to consider a different thyroid medication. What

dosage HC are you taking and how many times a day are you taking it? If the

levothyroxine is not going to help as it did before you stopped it, only then

should you think about changing it, and at that time, if your blood results

show your Free T3 is low, then your GP might be prepared to give you a trial of

T3. There are some doctors who know how to treat their hypothyroid patients,

though they are just few and far between, most, these days, getting quite

scared to treat their patients at all.

Luv - Sheila

Thanks Sheila,

I bet you are sorry to see me back! lol

The adrenal forum seems VERY anti levoT, they say its an

inadequate med and all it does is strain the adrenals, I do understand they

do things differently to us, but with armour giving instant T3 its just

tempting. I have been taking alternate days of 25/50mcgs of Levo for 3 weeks,

as recommended by Dr P, I have only just started 50mcgs everyday which I feel

I can afford to do.

Dr P knows I have been using 10mg of beta blocker a day, a

very low dose and he knows I have diazapan but I havent taken that everyday

and when I have its only been a very low dose. The depression now is the main

thing, Ive had it before and had it before diagnosis and anyone who has had

it will know how it feels. I am no longer as anxious as I was about HC but I

do know its the lack of thyroid hormones that are making me not feel the

benefit of it.

I was under the impression that you feel Armour is a

better thyroid med than T4 Sheila?

You are probabaly right that I should try and get the

thyroid back up before thinking about armour, its just so tempting to give it

a try when I hear such good things about it.

_._,___

[Guest guest]

HI ,

That's probably because you haven't been following 100% what he

recommended and trying to do your own thing and also, that you stopped your

levothyroxine long before you got your HC in the post and then increased your

HC because somebody else recommended you do that and you had to drop back your

dose again. You just have to concentrate on doing what he recommends now

and don't start taking other medications until you are on the proper road

to recovery. Once you get on the dosage of T4 and HC that makes you well, it is

likely you will not need antidepressants. You will get better if you listen to

him.

Luv - Sheila

Funny thing is when I saw Dr

P I felt better than I do now!

-

.._,___

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi All, I am rejoining the list serve. I found it so helpful. Is

> anyone having trouble getting Armour? I sure am. I was told that it

> is backordered since the summer? Two other people told me the same

> thing. Help! Sylvia

>

i buy mine from bankock tiland i have been getting it there for the last 7

years now ,cheep,

last two years and they are honest.

[Guest guest]

There are some manufacturing difficulties that Forest Pharmaceuticals is having. If you want to get it at your pharmacy Forest has stated that the pharmacist just hast to call them and they will drop ship it from the plant.

http://www.armourthyroid.com/ - the info is at the top of the screen in red.

Steph

Armour

Hi All, I am rejoining the list serve. I found it so helpful. Is anyone having trouble getting Armour? I sure am. I was told that it is backordered since the summer? Two other people told me the same thing. Help! Sylvia

[Guest guest]

That's not Armour. That is Thyroid -S. They are different.

Re: Armour

>> Hi All, I am rejoining the list serve. I found it so helpful. Is > anyone having trouble getting Armour? I sure am. I was told that it > is backordered since the summer? Two other people told me the same > thing. Help! Sylvia>i buy mine from bankock tiland i have been getting it there for the last 7 years now ,cheep, last two years and they are honest.

[Guest guest]

Can you give specifics?

On Nov 25, 2008, at 7:22 AM, ratscats88 wrote:

i buy mine from bankock tiland i have been getting it there for the

last 7 years now ,cheep,

last two years and they are honest.

Parashis

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[Guest guest]

Off list please.

Re: Re: Armour

Can you give specifics?On Nov 25, 2008, at 7:22 AM, ratscats88 wrote:i buy mine from bankock tiland i have been getting it there for the last 7 years now ,cheep,last two years and they are honest. Parashis artpagesearthlink (DOT) netartpagesonline.com

[Guest guest]

yeah, i just saw that on my bottle, what is the difference? because it been helping me over the past 7 years, i have been using it, when i lost all my medical insurance.

Re: Re: Armour

That's not Armour.  That is Thyroid -S.  They are different. 

 

 

Re: Armour

>

> Hi All, I am rejoining the list serve. I found it so helpful. Is

> anyone having trouble getting Armour? I sure am. I was told that it

> is backordered since the summer? Two other people told me the same

> thing. Help! Sylvia

>

i buy mine from bankock tiland i have been getting it there for the last 7 years now ,cheep,

last two years and they are honest.

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what does off list mean i am new here so i can not understand this, and as for the armour it is the thyroid s so i want to wait until ladybugsandbees says what the different is.

Re: Re: Armour

Off list please.

 

 

Re: Re: Armour

Can you give specifics?

On Nov 25, 2008, at 7:22 AM, ratscats88 wrote:

i buy mine from bankock tiland i have been getting it there for the

last 7 years now ,cheep,

last two years and they are honest.

Parashis

artpagesearthlink (DOT) net

artpagesonline.com

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The mgs are not the same strength. I think people say it is stronger. The fillers are different too.

Steph

Re: Armour

>> Hi All, I am rejoining the list serve. I found it so helpful. Is > anyone having trouble getting Armour? I sure am. I was told that it > is backordered since the summer? Two other people told me the same > thing. Help! Sylvia>i buy mine from bankock tiland i have been getting it there for the last 7 years now ,cheep, last two years and they are honest.

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That means do not post sources on this group. You can e-mail her off the group about the info.

Steph

Re: Re: Armour

Can you give specifics?On Nov 25, 2008, at 7:22 AM, ratscats88 wrote:i buy mine from bankock tiland i have been getting it there for the last 7 years now ,cheep,last two years and they are honest. Parashis artpagesearthlink (DOT) netartpagesonline.com

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does that make it ok then?

Re: Re: Armour

The mgs are not the same strength.  I think people say it is stronger.  The fillers are different too.

 

Steph

 

Re: Armour

>

> Hi All, I am rejoining the list serve. I found it so helpful. Is

> anyone having trouble getting Armour? I sure am. I was told that it

> is backordered since the summer? Two other people told me the same

> thing. Help! Sylvia

>

i buy mine from bankock tiland i have been getting it there for the last 7 years now ,cheep,

last two years and they are honest.

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ok thanks

Re: Re: Armour

That means do not post sources on this group.  You can e-mail her off the group about the info.

 

Steph

 

Re: Re: Armour

Can you give specifics?

On Nov 25, 2008, at 7:22 AM, ratscats88 wrote:

i buy mine from bankock tiland i have been getting it there for the

last 7 years now ,cheep,

last two years and they are honest.

Parashis

artpagesearthlink (DOT) net

artpagesonline.com

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It's different. I don't know if it is good/bad/indifferent.

Re: Armour

>> Hi All, I am rejoining the list serve. I found it so helpful. Is > anyone having trouble getting Armour? I sure am. I was told that it > is backordered since the summer? Two other people told me the same > thing. Help! Sylvia>i buy mine from bankock tiland i have been getting it there for the last 7 years now ,cheep, last two years and they are honest.

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