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Yes - don't do it. You need to learn more about the long term impacts of RAI before making a decision that impacts you permanently. Graves disease is very treatable with anti-thyroid medication.Please read Elaine 's book Graves Disease; her articles on Suite 101 are a good place to start. Especially read the articles about RAI, antibodies and Thyroid Eye Disease.http://www.suite101.com/welcome.cfm/graves_diseaseThen, you can join the Graves Disease group for great guidance fro the other folks there.>> I'm scheduled for RAI at the end of the month. Is there anything I > need to know because my doctor is very vague when I ask questions. My > concern right now is the rapid heartbeat, hairloss, heat intolerance, > tremors associated with Grave's disease.>

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Sam, are you saying that if one has RT3 they should not take T3 only? If you

are, what should they do instead? I was sick as a dog with the RT3 and levoxyl.

It was tried three times and each time a disaster.

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From: Sam . <k9gang@...>

Subject: Re: RAI

hypothyroidism

Date: Friday, August 27, 2010, 8:26 AM

" Mopping up " ? " As a precaution " ? EEK!

OMG, RadioActive Iodine goes to more places in the body than just the thyroid!

It goes to EVERY SINGLE iodine receptor in the body!

And it makes the person getting it MORE susceptable to cancer later on in life.

Remember, I was given that poison, as were quite a number of the members in my

thyroidless group. 25% of them have pituitary damage, some have affected

hypothalamus, a few have damaged or now failed adrenal glands, many have ovary

and testicular damage, salivary gland damage, damaged eyes, etc.

Monitor his body temp daily. It should not go below 98.2.  If it does, it means

a slowed metabolism/hypOthyroid.

Temp should not vary by more than 0.2 degrees. If it does, it's adrenal. That's

how you monitor his thyroid/adrenal before things fall apart too much. Your son

is now at a 40% higher risk of developing more serious heart issues because of

the lack of a thyroid, the radiation, and the t4 drug which itself carries the

side effect of heart problems.

As to RT3, that is what the body normally turns excess t4 into so it can exit

the body. Low ferritin, poor adrenal function (low cortisol), t4 drug are things

that can cause RT3 to increase, because there is the inability of the body to

convert t4. One should never ever 'treat' higher than normal RT3 since it is

usually always temporary and is usually caused by other things.

I am a person who has lost a family member to cancer treatment.

Sam :(

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Sam,

You wrote:

>

>

> ...OMG, RadioActive Iodine goes to more places in the body than just

> the thyroid! It goes to EVERY SINGLE iodine receptor in the body!

> And it makes the person getting it MORE susceptable to cancer later on

> in life.

>

Technically there is no such thing as a receptor for elemental iodine.

There are many receptors for iodine compounds. The ones we are most

worried about with hypoT are receptors for T3. However, if you do not

have a working thyroid gland and are taking hormone supplements, your

receptors should be amply filled already (from the medication), and

there will be no pathway for radioactive iodine to be incorporated into

the thyroxine pathway (since this is the normal job of the thyroid gland).

I verified this distribution with a radiation survey meter about a week

after Mike's test. _All_ the activity was concentrated above the waist,

mostly in the neck and upper chest. As I said, except for the thyroid

gland itself, elemental iodine mainly concentrates in breast and

salivary tissue. The gamma scan done at the hospital said the same

thing; breast and salivary glands.

I was actually surprised at the salivary concentration. It meant we had

to change a fairly " hot " pillowcase every morning after he slept on it.

In contrast he seemed to perspire relatively little, although we did

change all his bedding and clothing everyday as well.

Your information about body temperature is also incorrect, unless you

mean the basal temperature (measured at the same time each day), since

the _average_ human circadian variation in core temperature is more than

2 full degrees C or 3.6 degrees F. A normal rate of change is about 0.2

degrees F per hour, but that is a different issue. I took part in a

circadian rhythm study when I was in my twenties, and everyone there had

variations of several degrees each day. Also, since body temperature

increase is a normal reaction to disease, there are lots of things

besides the adrenals that can change your basal readings.

Chuck

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Sam . wrote:

>

>

> Wow, you still seem to be extremely under-informed about all this.

>

So, show me one peer-reviewed medical paper that discusses receptors for

elemental iodine. Are you discounting the gamma scan that showed where

the iodine went? Or my survey meter which I personally held next to

Mike, his bedding, and his clothes? Are you questioning the daily body

temperature fluctuations, which you said should never be greater than

0.2 degrees F? Here are some plots of the daily temperature rhythm from

published studies, some compared to people with hot flashes or insomnia:

http://www.undoctoredhealth.com/2009/04/thyroid-self-testing.html

http://www.endotext.org/neuroendo/neuroendo15/figures/figure4.png

http://www.internetmasterycenter.com/products/circadian.jpg

http://img.medscape.com/slide/migrated/editorial/cmecircle/2004/3271/images/buys\

se/slide041.gif

What exactly do you need to re-educate me about? I have already been

around the block with the faculty of an endocrinology department and all

the other doctors I told you about that agreed with them. Since the

nodules were confirmed to be malignant, my perspective is that their

judgment to remove them saved Mike's life.

Chuck

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Sam . wrote:

>

>

> Wow, you still seem to be extremely under-informed about all this.

>

So, show me one peer-reviewed medical paper that discusses receptors for

elemental iodine. Are you discounting the gamma scan that showed where

the iodine went? Or my survey meter which I personally held next to

Mike, his bedding, and his clothes? Are you questioning the daily body

temperature fluctuations, which you said should never be greater than

0.2 degrees F? Here are some plots of the daily temperature rhythm from

published studies, some compared to people with hot flashes or insomnia:

http://www.undoctoredhealth.com/2009/04/thyroid-self-testing.html

http://www.endotext.org/neuroendo/neuroendo15/figures/figure4.png

http://www.internetmasterycenter.com/products/circadian.jpg

http://img.medscape.com/slide/migrated/editorial/cmecircle/2004/3271/images/buys\

se/slide041.gif

What exactly do you need to re-educate me about? I have already been

around the block with the faculty of an endocrinology department and all

the other doctors I told you about that agreed with them. Since the

nodules were confirmed to be malignant, my perspective is that their

judgment to remove them saved Mike's life.

Chuck

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Sam, I was on Armour when this all happened. When I couldn't take the Armour

anymore,

and they discovered the RT3, I was put onto T3 only. It was working. I was

titrating up

very slowly. Then at some point the doctors decided I should add T4. Terrible

idea I got

sick as a dog again. Then back to the T3, then tried T4 again, same result. Then

after the last time with again the same results, I decided no more. I've been on

T3 only and I'm much happier. Then the drugstore changed the mfr, and that put

me back again. Now I'm goiing to start back on the one that was working well. My

adrenals, and iron are good.

<>Roni

Immortality exists!

It's called knowledge!

 

Just because something isn't seen

doesn't mean it's not there<>

From: Sam . <k9gang@...>

Subject: Re: RAI

hypothyroidism

Date: Saturday, August 28, 2010, 8:48 AM

Exactly. 

Low ferritin, unaddressed (or improperly addressed) adrenal issues, et al, are

usually the cause.Those things are impossible to treat with a synthetic t3 drug.

In the case of synthetic t4 drugs, when the body can not tolerate them, can not

convert them, etc, that unuseable 'excess' t4, albeit synthetic, gets turned

into RT3 so it can be exited out of the body.

Sam

>

>

> From: Sam . <k9gang@...>

> Subject: Re: RAI

> hypothyroidism

> Date: Friday, August 27, 2010, 8:26 AM

>

>

> " Mopping up " ? " As a precaution " ? EEK!

>

> OMG, RadioActive Iodine goes to more places in the body than just the thyroid!

It goes to EVERY SINGLE iodine receptor in the body!

> And it makes the person getting it MORE susceptable to cancer later on in

life.

>

> Remember, I was given that poison, as were quite a number of the members in my

thyroidless group. 25% of them have pituitary damage, some have affected

hypothalamus, a few have damaged or now failed adrenal glands, many have ovary

and testicular damage, salivary gland damage, damaged eyes, etc.

>

> Monitor his body temp daily. It should not go below 98.2.  If it does, it

means a slowed metabolism/hypOthyroid.

> Temp should not vary by more than 0.2 degrees. If it does, it's adrenal.

That's how you monitor his thyroid/adrenal before things fall apart too much.

Your son is now at a 40% higher risk of developing more serious heart issues

because of the lack of a thyroid, the radiation, and the t4 drug which itself

carries the side effect of heart problems.

>

> As to RT3, that is what the body normally turns excess t4 into so it can exit

the body. Low ferritin, poor adrenal function (low cortisol), t4 drug are things

that can cause RT3 to increase, because there is the inability of the body to

convert t4. One should never ever 'treat' higher than normal RT3 since it is

usually always temporary and is usually caused by other things.

>

> I am a person who has lost a family member to cancer treatment.

>

>

> Sam :(

>

>

>

>

>       

>

>

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Sam, I was on Armour when this all happened. When I couldn't take the Armour

anymore,

and they discovered the RT3, I was put onto T3 only. It was working. I was

titrating up

very slowly. Then at some point the doctors decided I should add T4. Terrible

idea I got

sick as a dog again. Then back to the T3, then tried T4 again, same result. Then

after the last time with again the same results, I decided no more. I've been on

T3 only and I'm much happier. Then the drugstore changed the mfr, and that put

me back again. Now I'm goiing to start back on the one that was working well. My

adrenals, and iron are good.

<>Roni

Immortality exists!

It's called knowledge!

 

Just because something isn't seen

doesn't mean it's not there<>

From: Sam . <k9gang@...>

Subject: Re: RAI

hypothyroidism

Date: Saturday, August 28, 2010, 8:48 AM

Exactly. 

Low ferritin, unaddressed (or improperly addressed) adrenal issues, et al, are

usually the cause.Those things are impossible to treat with a synthetic t3 drug.

In the case of synthetic t4 drugs, when the body can not tolerate them, can not

convert them, etc, that unuseable 'excess' t4, albeit synthetic, gets turned

into RT3 so it can be exited out of the body.

Sam

>

>

> From: Sam . <k9gang@...>

> Subject: Re: RAI

> hypothyroidism

> Date: Friday, August 27, 2010, 8:26 AM

>

>

> " Mopping up " ? " As a precaution " ? EEK!

>

> OMG, RadioActive Iodine goes to more places in the body than just the thyroid!

It goes to EVERY SINGLE iodine receptor in the body!

> And it makes the person getting it MORE susceptable to cancer later on in

life.

>

> Remember, I was given that poison, as were quite a number of the members in my

thyroidless group. 25% of them have pituitary damage, some have affected

hypothalamus, a few have damaged or now failed adrenal glands, many have ovary

and testicular damage, salivary gland damage, damaged eyes, etc.

>

> Monitor his body temp daily. It should not go below 98.2.  If it does, it

means a slowed metabolism/hypOthyroid.

> Temp should not vary by more than 0.2 degrees. If it does, it's adrenal.

That's how you monitor his thyroid/adrenal before things fall apart too much.

Your son is now at a 40% higher risk of developing more serious heart issues

because of the lack of a thyroid, the radiation, and the t4 drug which itself

carries the side effect of heart problems.

>

> As to RT3, that is what the body normally turns excess t4 into so it can exit

the body. Low ferritin, poor adrenal function (low cortisol), t4 drug are things

that can cause RT3 to increase, because there is the inability of the body to

convert t4. One should never ever 'treat' higher than normal RT3 since it is

usually always temporary and is usually caused by other things.

>

> I am a person who has lost a family member to cancer treatment.

>

>

> Sam :(

>

>

>

>

>       

>

>

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On 8/29/2010 11:12 AM, wrote:

>

> Hi, Chuck. Are you still a professor of physics and Campus Radiation

> Safety Officer at Pittsburg State University, Pittsburg, Ks?

>

Guilty as charged.

Thanks for the kind wishes.

Chuck

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, don't you know you save the big guns for when you really need them? LOL

<>Roni

Immortality exists!

It's called knowledge!

 

Just because something isn't seen

doesn't mean it's not there<>

>

> Hi, Chuck. Are you still a professor of physics and Campus Radiation

> Safety Officer at Pittsburg State University, Pittsburg, Ks?

>

Guilty as charged.

Thanks for the kind wishes.

Chuck

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Not since ships were powered by rowers.

<>Roni

Immortality exists!

It's called knowledge!

 

Just because something isn't seen

doesn't mean it's not there<>

> >

> > Hi, Chuck. Are you still a professor of physics and Campus Radiation

> > Safety Officer at Pittsburg State University, Pittsburg, Ks?

> >

> Guilty as charged.

>

> Thanks for the kind wishes.

>

> Chuck

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On 8/30/2010 6:46 PM, Sam . wrote:

>

> Chuch, as much knowledge as you have, I hoped you would have known

> better. But, I understand - it's normal to try and justify decisions made.

>

In this case, that is easy to do. Had we listened to you, he very likely

would be dead by now.

He had three follicular tumors, which is the more aggressive and

malignant of the common varieties, much faster progressing than the more

common papillary carcinoma and nearly impossible to correctly identify

without surgery. Contrary to your wait-and-see advice, the combination

of tumor size, Mike's age, and the post-op pathology all confirmed that

the carcinoma was on the verge of metastasis. We could not have waited

longer.

As I tried to respectfully tell you prior to the surgery, you are giving

advice without knowing the details, based on generalities that can often

be wrong.

Chuck

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This is for Sam. I really don't know who you are, but evidently you have been

recognized as a knowledgeable person. I think that since Chuck and his wife had

to make the agonizing decisions they made for their son, that at this point some

consoling would be in order instead of berating him. Whether you are right or

wrong is not the issue at this point.

When a parent has to make a decision for surgery for a child it is one of the

hardest things they have to do. I know because I had to make a decision for

surgery when my son was just a baby. Some kindness and support would be the best

thing anyone can do for him at this time.

 

I hope you aren't angry at what I said, I am concerned for Chuck and his family,

who will now have to deal with more issues for their son's health. I hope you

will offer him the benefit of whatever knowledge and information you have to

help him and his family.

<>Roni

Immortality exists!

It's called knowledge!

 

Just because something isn't seen

doesn't mean it's not there<>

>

> Chuch, as much knowledge as you have, I hoped you would have known

> better. But, I understand - it's normal to try and justify decisions made.

>

In this case, that is easy to do. Had we listened to you, he very likely

would be dead by now.

He had three follicular tumors, which is the more aggressive and

malignant of the common varieties, much faster progressing than the more

common papillary carcinoma and nearly impossible to correctly identify

without surgery. Contrary to your wait-and-see advice, the combination

of tumor size, Mike's age, and the post-op pathology all confirmed that

the carcinoma was on the verge of metastasis. We could not have waited

longer.

As I tried to respectfully tell you prior to the surgery, you are giving

advice without knowing the details, based on generalities that can often

be wrong.

Chuck

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Hi ,I wish I had documentation for you. All I have is the scare I received when the RAI capsule was brought out in a little cup and the person bringing it was decked out in full protective gear. 

in AlaskaOn Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 6:55 AM, Kuziw <akuziw@...> wrote:

 

Hi

 

Following the latest visit to my specialist, I have now agreed to say goodbye to my thyroid because the growth I have (I have posted before -I was diagnosed in '09 with papillary cancer and been working on strengthening my body with iodine, diet and supplementation since) has somehow decided to compress my vocal cord and the left one now is paralysed.  The op is planned for mid feb but I wanted some help from you guys - I do not want to agree to the RAI and in fact I know I won't be going that way, however I would like to present the specialist with information as to why RAI is not the best thing since sliced bread which he is saying it is with the usual - " it will get rid of any stray cells which we couldn't remove with the TT " . 

Can anyone point me in the direction of some information or send me something that would help explain my reasons why I can't consider it?

 

Thanks a lot

 

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