Whooping cough

[Guest guest]

Just a note about our experience with pertussis (whooping cough). It

was 1991, and there had been a death in the family. Relatives from all

over the country came for the funeral. My oldest was two, my youngest

was 2 months.

A cousin had come to the funeral with his family from out of state. His

little girl, who had been fully vaccinated, had a case of whooping

cough. He brought her along.

My oldest baby had received the pertussis vaccines three times, which

wasn't a complete series (but when *I* was a child, three were all that

doctors told everyone to get) -- but he had had a reaction to his third

DPT and we didn't get any more.

*anyway!* my oldest baby caught whooping cough from my cousin's girl.

He had it for around 6-7-8 weeks. It got kind of rough going at times,

but usually that was during the night, rather than all day long. He

would cough, cough a lot, cough hard so that he would throw up. There

was that " whooooooop " sound that's hard to forget. Still, I would

rather he suffer from the whooping cough than from the shot. The

reaction he had to the shot was a lot worse. Poor baby -- he suffered

from the shot reaction, and then later went on to catch the illness it

was supposed to prevent anyway!

My youngest, who was two months old, was completely unvaccinated. She

didn't catch whooping cough from my cousin's girl, nor did she catch it

from her brother.

My grandfather, who was elderly (80s) and fully vaccinated caught it

though.

After seeing that three people who had been vaccinated (two fully, and

one not a complete series) caught the illness, while those who were

unvaccinated did not catch it..well, it wasn't a hard decision for me to

make to not get the pertussis vaccine for any more of my babies. I

can't see why I should risk my babies having a reaction, possibly fatal,

from a shot that very well may not keep them from catching the illness.

If the shot doesn't work, why would I even consider it?

Whooping cough isn't fun, but it wasn't nearly as rough on my baby as

the shot was.

Janet

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[Guest guest]

I will also share my whooping cough story. I had it when I was 17 and my

little step-brother was 4 yrs old. I was vaccinated and my brother was

not. We got it from our cousins who at ages 6,4 & 2 were all fully

vaccinated. They had to be hospitalized and we just got sick. I got it

pretty good but the least severe case was my brother who was vaccine free

and breastfed for two years.

Now my daughter has been exposed twice by friends children who all happened

to be fully vaccinated. My daughter did not catch it and their children

were very sick. Sure got them thinking when it was brought up that my

daughter was not vaccinated and theirs were.

Re: Whooping Cough

From: clover <clover@...>

Just a note about our experience with pertussis (whooping cough). It

was 1991, and there had been a death in the family. Relatives from all

over the country came for the funeral. My oldest was two, my youngest

was 2 months.

A cousin had come to the funeral with his family from out of state. His

little girl, who had been fully vaccinated, had a case of whooping

cough. He brought her along.

My oldest baby had received the pertussis vaccines three times, which

wasn't a complete series (but when *I* was a child, three were all that

doctors told everyone to get) -- but he had had a reaction to his third

DPT and we didn't get any more.

*anyway!* my oldest baby caught whooping cough from my cousin's girl.

He had it for around 6-7-8 weeks. It got kind of rough going at times,

but usually that was during the night, rather than all day long. He

would cough, cough a lot, cough hard so that he would throw up. There

was that " whooooooop " sound that's hard to forget. Still, I would

rather he suffer from the whooping cough than from the shot. The

reaction he had to the shot was a lot worse. Poor baby -- he suffered

from the shot reaction, and then later went on to catch the illness it

was supposed to prevent anyway!

My youngest, who was two months old, was completely unvaccinated. She

didn't catch whooping cough from my cousin's girl, nor did she catch it

from her brother.

My grandfather, who was elderly (80s) and fully vaccinated caught it

though.

After seeing that three people who had been vaccinated (two fully, and

one not a complete series) caught the illness, while those who were

unvaccinated did not catch it..well, it wasn't a hard decision for me to

make to not get the pertussis vaccine for any more of my babies. I

can't see why I should risk my babies having a reaction, possibly fatal,

from a shot that very well may not keep them from catching the illness.

If the shot doesn't work, why would I even consider it?

Whooping cough isn't fun, but it wasn't nearly as rough on my baby as

the shot was.

Janet

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[Guest guest]

Once you have had whooping cough, are you then immune from getting it

again? If not, I can see the pro-vaccine side using this as a strong

argument to have EVERYONE vaccinated every 10 years!

At 08:08 PM 9/7/98 -0600, Mom2Q wrote:

>From: Mom2Q <Mom2Q@...>

>

>This came to me. I see it as a good argument against routine vaccination

> of healthy children! Now we have adults carrying a disease they never

> used to. What do you think?

>

> Whooping cough ``common'' among adults NEW YORK, Aug 26

> (Reuters) -- Up to 25% of adults who see doctors for

a persistent

> cough have pertussis (whooping cough), although many

cases of the

> infection are never diagnosed, according to a report

in the August

> issue of the Southern Medical Journal.

>

> In adults with healthy immune systems, whooping cough

usually

> causes mild symptoms, such as coughing, a low-grade

fever, and a

> runny nose. Due to widespread pertussis vaccination

in childhood,

> many doctors are unaware that the infection can occur

in adults.

> However, the vaccine loses its effectiveness over

time. Thus, an

> infected adult may have a mild case, but spread the

bacteria to a

> young, unvaccinated child, in whom the illness can be

> life-threatening. Before a vaccine for whooping cough

was

> introduced in the 1940s, the infection was the

leading killer of

> children in the US, notes the study author, Dr. Seth

W. of

> Vanderbilt University in Nashville, Tennessee.

>

> The number of reported US cases of pertussis reached

a low of 1,010

> in 1976, but has been rising since, reports.

An average of

> more than 4,600 cases were reported annually between

1990 and

> 1995. And over the last two decades, the proportion

of cases in

> adolescents and adults rose from 15.1% to 26.9%, he

writes.

>

> Caused by a bacterium called Bordetella pertussis,

whooping cough

> can be treated with antibiotics. While antibiotic

treatment has not been

> shown to improve symptoms, it appears to render the

infection less

> contagious, according to . Giving preventive

doses of

> antibiotics to family members of those with the

infection can also

> lower the odds that they will contract the infection,

he writes.

>

> ``In particular, prophylaxis of unvaccinated infants,

who are at the

> greatest risk for serious disease, should be

considered,'' he suggests.

>

> told Reuters Health that physicians should

suspect pertussis in

> patients with persistent cough, or those who report

that others around

> them at work or in a dormitory are also coughing.

>

> Some experts recommend booster vaccines for

adolescents and adults,

> but the present vaccine causes more severe side

effects in adults than

> children, notes. A new acellular form of the

vaccine, now

> being tested in adults, appears to be effective and

better tolerated, he

> reports.

>

> If studies confirm that the new vaccine is effective

and well-tolerated,

> ``booster immunizations of adults would appear to be

warranted,''

> concludes in his report. ``The routine use of

the (new) vaccine

> in adults may eventually lead to increased control of

pertussis, both in

> children and adults.''

>

> SOURCE: Southern Medical Journal 1998;91:702-708.

>

>

>------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

[Guest guest]

Once you have had whooping cough, are you then immune from getting it

again? If not, I can see the pro-vaccine side using this as a strong

argument to have EVERYONE vaccinated every 10 years!

At 08:08 PM 9/7/98 -0600, Mom2Q wrote:

>From: Mom2Q <Mom2Q@...>

>

>This came to me. I see it as a good argument against routine vaccination

> of healthy children! Now we have adults carrying a disease they never

> used to. What do you think?

>

> Whooping cough ``common'' among adults NEW YORK, Aug 26

> (Reuters) -- Up to 25% of adults who see doctors for

a persistent

> cough have pertussis (whooping cough), although many

cases of the

> infection are never diagnosed, according to a report

in the August

> issue of the Southern Medical Journal.

>

> In adults with healthy immune systems, whooping cough

usually

> causes mild symptoms, such as coughing, a low-grade

fever, and a

> runny nose. Due to widespread pertussis vaccination

in childhood,

> many doctors are unaware that the infection can occur

in adults.

> However, the vaccine loses its effectiveness over

time. Thus, an

> infected adult may have a mild case, but spread the

bacteria to a

> young, unvaccinated child, in whom the illness can be

> life-threatening. Before a vaccine for whooping cough

was

> introduced in the 1940s, the infection was the

leading killer of

> children in the US, notes the study author, Dr. Seth

W. of

> Vanderbilt University in Nashville, Tennessee.

>

> The number of reported US cases of pertussis reached

a low of 1,010

> in 1976, but has been rising since, reports.

An average of

> more than 4,600 cases were reported annually between

1990 and

> 1995. And over the last two decades, the proportion

of cases in

> adolescents and adults rose from 15.1% to 26.9%, he

writes.

>

> Caused by a bacterium called Bordetella pertussis,

whooping cough

> can be treated with antibiotics. While antibiotic

treatment has not been

> shown to improve symptoms, it appears to render the

infection less

> contagious, according to . Giving preventive

doses of

> antibiotics to family members of those with the

infection can also

> lower the odds that they will contract the infection,

he writes.

>

> ``In particular, prophylaxis of unvaccinated infants,

who are at the

> greatest risk for serious disease, should be

considered,'' he suggests.

>

> told Reuters Health that physicians should

suspect pertussis in

> patients with persistent cough, or those who report

that others around

> them at work or in a dormitory are also coughing.

>

> Some experts recommend booster vaccines for

adolescents and adults,

> but the present vaccine causes more severe side

effects in adults than

> children, notes. A new acellular form of the

vaccine, now

> being tested in adults, appears to be effective and

better tolerated, he

> reports.

>

> If studies confirm that the new vaccine is effective

and well-tolerated,

> ``booster immunizations of adults would appear to be

warranted,''

> concludes in his report. ``The routine use of

the (new) vaccine

> in adults may eventually lead to increased control of

pertussis, both in

> children and adults.''

>

> SOURCE: Southern Medical Journal 1998;91:702-708.

>

>

>------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

[Guest guest]

And also here is some wisdom from Will , MD & Homeopath who I respect

HIGHLY.

Remember this is not to be taken as medical advice, but information. What

you do is your choice...

Sheri

ashryn wrote,

>well, one of my worst nightmares may have come true.. my unvaccinated 3year

>old has a very nasty cough that i have been told sounds like the beginnings

>of whooping cough.

It is never easy when our own young-ones take sick. I find it easy to

offer knowledgable reassurance to my patients, but struggle so often in

these same situations with my own pain at seeing my own boys not feeling

well. Find someone for hugs (someone must know a nifty little e-mail

symbol for hugs?)

> i guess what i am looking for is reassurance that i am doing the right

>thing, it is so hard to hold on to my faith in homoeopathy (actually in my

>own abilities) when i am so close to it.. there isnt anything allopathy can

>do anyway, is there?

Conventional medicine can only intervene with supportive care (observation,

humidity, hydration, oxygen). Antibiotics do *not* affect the course of

the illness (except, perhaps, in the very early catarrhal phase, before

there is any clue that this might be whooping cough); they may be given to

the patient to reduce the possibility of contagion to others. But consider

that the most common side-effect of erythromycin (the antibiotic most often

used for this) is nausea ...

Perhaps one of the reasons allopathy worries so much about pertussis is,

that they " gots nothin' to do " for it. & allopaths basically *hate* it

when that happens.

>the cough is worse at night, and she has to sit up to cough, and ends up

>with tears streaming down her face after each bout.(not crying from grief,

>but from the sheer exertion.) she seems to be being very brave, and when she

>isnt coughing seems perfectly fine

My experience with pertussis is, that it is much much more difficult for

the parents than it is for the child. It is very hard to watch these

paroxysmal coughing episodes. I mean sure, they're rough for the kid to go

thru, but as parents we feel so incredibly helpless. The kids seem mostly

to recover just fine.

>it has been going on for about 2 weeks now and i am starting to get very

>worried.

Going on for 2 weeks as it has, it is likely that you've pretty much

already seen what is in store for you. Emphasize rest ( & restful activity)

for all of the family during the day, so you can all pace yourself through

this. Plan on little treats for yourself during the predictable night

wakings, & breaks for self-refreshment during the day, & work out some

alternation of responsibilities so you don't all get exhausted

simultaneously.

I hope for the best for your family -

>i guess i am having some trouble just sitting back and waiting..

>in my experience, homoeopathy works faster than this..

It usually does. I would expect at the least to see the cough settle down

into a semi-disturbing, no-gagging night-time cough without nausea or

wretching.

Will , MD

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[Guest guest]

Sheri,

How can you find M.D. doctors that are also homeopaths? I am trying to

contact one here in Des Moines, IA that is an M.D. who also does holistic

medicine, but how can you find one that is an M.D. and a homeopath? Thanks.

Debi

[Guest guest]

Homeopath.

In a message dated 11/22/2004 9:51:42 AM Eastern Standard Time,

mnlarue@... writes:

whooping cough is in this area, any suggestions on dealing with it??

[Guest guest]

If my children got whooping cough, I think I would go to a homeopath.

Dagmar.

[ ] whooping cough

whooping cough is in this area, any suggestions on dealing with it?? My kids

were vaccinated...thus how I'm in this mess of Autism, but from what I've read

the vaccine is only effective for about 2 years. I'm not really worried about my

youngest two kids, but the oldest...and I, have asthma, so I'm concerned about

us. Not to mention that I just can't handle my youngest with autism, when I am

sick.

From what I've read, early detection and starting antibiotics as soon as

detected can keep it from getting bad. Anything nutritionally that is suppose to

help?? Does vitamin A help??

Thanks,

[Guest guest]

Helen - I am glad you were able to take the time to look up the

information!! Three month. Oh my gosh! I don't know if I could handle that!

I too hope that Caroline doesn't have it. I will for sure let you know. You

might want to call your rheumy or doctor and just ask them. Maybe they can

start Nick on a precautionary anti-biotic. Our ped. told us that Zithromax

is the most common medicine used for this.

Alia and Caroline, age 3, poly and uveitis

Whooping Cough

Alia...

I have been reading up on whooping cough ( you know me and my

reserching!!) and have found out that it takes 5-10days from

exposure to develop it. But if you take anti-biotics before showing

signs of coughing then this can help stop it developing. Anti-

biotics taken once its developed dont always help. It can also take

a LONG time to get over it... upto 3 months (((.. Having a virus

or pre-exsisting cold when exposed makes you more suseptable to

developing it.

I sure hope Caroline doesnt have it, poor kid needs a break. If she

does have it let me know as soon as you find out because Nick is

already battling a cold and did spend time with Caroline on

Saturday, although I dont remember seeing her cough or sneeze during

the walk. I think i might want Nicks doctor to put him on anti-

biotics just in case if she is positive.

Hows she doing this afternoon????

Hugs Helen and (7,systemic)

[Guest guest]

PS. Caroline is doing ok. She's really pale and still running a fever. She

hasn't puked anymore so that is a good thing. Her cough is getting MUCH

worse and she sounds soo congested. She is in good spirits though. She's

down for her nap now, I hope she sleeps 4 hours. She TOTALLY needs it!

Alia and Caroline, age 3, poly and uveitis

Whooping Cough

Alia...

I have been reading up on whooping cough ( you know me and my

reserching!!) and have found out that it takes 5-10days from

exposure to develop it. But if you take anti-biotics before showing

signs of coughing then this can help stop it developing. Anti-

biotics taken once its developed dont always help. It can also take

a LONG time to get over it... upto 3 months (((.. Having a virus

or pre-exsisting cold when exposed makes you more suseptable to

developing it.

I sure hope Caroline doesnt have it, poor kid needs a break. If she

does have it let me know as soon as you find out because Nick is

already battling a cold and did spend time with Caroline on

Saturday, although I dont remember seeing her cough or sneeze during

the walk. I think i might want Nicks doctor to put him on anti-

biotics just in case if she is positive.

Hows she doing this afternoon????

Hugs Helen and (7,systemic)

[Guest guest]

-Poor caroline.... it must be such hard work doing all that

coughing, no wonder shes tired. She looked soo good on saturday and

had so much energy, its shocking how quickly they drop like flies.

Give her a hug from me...

HUgs Helen and (7,systemic)

p.s Love the picture of Carolines team on her website... gotta love

naughty Nicks little head poking though in the back row!! LOL

-- In , " Pranke, Alia " <Alia.Pranke@t...>

wrote:

> PS. Caroline is doing ok. She's really pale and still running a

fever. She

> hasn't puked anymore so that is a good thing. Her cough is getting

MUCH

> worse and she sounds soo congested. She is in good spirits though.

She's

> down for her nap now, I hope she sleeps 4 hours. She TOTALLY needs

it!

>

> Alia and Caroline, age 3, poly and uveitis

>

> Whooping Cough

>

>

>

> Alia...

>

> I have been reading up on whooping cough ( you know me and my

> reserching!!) and have found out that it takes 5-10days from

> exposure to develop it. But if you take anti-biotics before

showing

> signs of coughing then this can help stop it developing. Anti-

> biotics taken once its developed dont always help. It can also

take

> a LONG time to get over it... upto 3 months (((.. Having a virus

> or pre-exsisting cold when exposed makes you more suseptable to

> developing it.

>

> I sure hope Caroline doesnt have it, poor kid needs a break. If

she

> does have it let me know as soon as you find out because Nick is

> already battling a cold and did spend time with Caroline on

> Saturday, although I dont remember seeing her cough or sneeze

during

> the walk. I think i might want Nicks doctor to put him on anti-

> biotics just in case if she is positive.

>

> Hows she doing this afternoon????

>

> Hugs Helen and (7,systemic)

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Helen!

No news yet. We called yesterday and no results. I am going to call

at 10:00am this morning to see if they have them yet.

Poor . That is no fun. Miss Caroline hated that culture thing

too. She also got the bloody nose and just cried. It was sad.

I can't believe they aren't treating her with anti-biotics yet. But,

I guess every doctor is diffent. I feel like I am coming down with

something too. I have a very dry contstant cough and I feel like I

am coughing up blood. Yuck!

I will let you know as soon as I find out!

Alia and Caroline, age 3, poly and uveitis

>

> Alia,

>

> Any news on carolines test results?? you wont believe this but

they

> think my might have it too, she was tested yesterday. The

qtip

> on a wire deep into the nose was NOT fun for her either, it made

her

> nose bleed and her to cry. s temp has been 100-102 since

sunday.

>

> I guess the doctor says it going around here, but theres nothing

in

> our school district. They havent started anti-biotics yet because

> they say at this point it could still be " just a virus " but they

did

> give her a cough medicine with codine in it so she did finally

sleep

> last night. I cannot sleep because everytime she has a coughing

> spell I swear shes not breathing I have to run and check on her.

>

> let me know how Miss C is doing... I hope better today.

>

> HUgs Helen and (7,systemic)

[Guest guest]

-Any news????

--Hugs Helen and (7,systemic)

In , " Alia Pranke " <Alia.Pranke@t...> wrote:

>

> Hi Helen!

>

> No news yet. We called yesterday and no results. I am going to

call

> at 10:00am this morning to see if they have them yet.

>

> Poor . That is no fun. Miss Caroline hated that culture thing

> too. She also got the bloody nose and just cried. It was sad.

>

> I can't believe they aren't treating her with anti-biotics yet.

But,

> I guess every doctor is diffent. I feel like I am coming down with

> something too. I have a very dry contstant cough and I feel like I

> am coughing up blood. Yuck!

>

> I will let you know as soon as I find out!

>

> Alia and Caroline, age 3, poly and uveitis

>

>

> >

> > Alia,

> >

> > Any news on carolines test results?? you wont believe this but

> they

> > think my might have it too, she was tested yesterday. The

> qtip

> > on a wire deep into the nose was NOT fun for her either, it made

> her

> > nose bleed and her to cry. s temp has been 100-102 since

> sunday.

> >

> > I guess the doctor says it going around here, but theres nothing

> in

> > our school district. They havent started anti-biotics yet

because

> > they say at this point it could still be " just a virus " but they

> did

> > give her a cough medicine with codine in it so she did finally

> sleep

> > last night. I cannot sleep because everytime she has a coughing

> > spell I swear shes not breathing I have to run and check on her.

> >

> > let me know how Miss C is doing... I hope better today.

> >

> > HUgs Helen and (7,systemic)

[Guest guest]

I have been told, over and over again, that whooping cough for a

normal adult is just a mere annoyance. He could be a hazard for

infants, as the infection in newborns/babies and frail adults is not

a good thing.

My doc offered me the new adult whooping cough booster last month.

I declined. We talked briefly about the illness, which is why I

know a teeny bit about it.

It can linger for weeks and weeks. The MDs will probably want to

treat it with erythromycin or other antibiotics like that; and may

wish to treat the entire family. That will bring up some discussion!

A friend was told, if treated, her child could go back to school 5

days after starting antibiotics (though the cough will still

linger). Untreated, they were told to stay away from school for 21

days after the start of symptoms.

http://www.whoopingcough.net/sound%20of%20adult%20male%20whooping.htm

I thought the above link was interesting, since it plays a

soundtrack of a coughing adult. Ick.

Pam

>

> hey

> my husband has been sick for some time now the docs think he has

whooping

> cough. does anyone have any advice or experience with this

> thanks

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

antivirals?

S S

<tt>

hey<BR>

my husband has been sick for some time now the docs think he has whooping  <BR>

cough. does anyone have any advice or experience with this<BR>

thanks <BR>

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[Guest guest]

Homeopathics Spongia Tosta or Drosera should also help.

> <tt>

> hey<BR>

> my husband has been sick for some time now the docs think he has

whooping  <BR>

> cough. does anyone have any advice or experience with this<BR>

> thanks <BR>

>

>

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This was the only vaccine I was nervous about not giving since infants can get

so ill from it. I worried until I read a wonderful article in Homeopathy

magazine talking about it. Homeopathy has an excellent record of treating

whooping cough. I know if my kids were ever exposed or thought to have it I

would have them at the homeopath immediately.

I would also bulk up on vitamin c...as much as tolerated. Antivirals are a

good suggestion...olive leaf extract might be a good choice since it also has

antibacterial properties as well.

My opinion only!

Wish him well!

debbiel3560 <debbiel3560@...> wrote:

Homeopathics Spongia Tosta or Drosera should also help.

> <tt>

> hey<BR>

> my husband has been sick for some time now the docs think he has

whooping <BR>

> cough. does anyone have any advice or experience with this<BR>

> thanks <BR>

>

>

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isn't whooping cough bacterial?

Perhaps it isn't whooping cough, I know.

Pam

> <tt>

> hey<BR>

> my husband has been sick for some time now the docs think he has

whooping  <BR>

> cough. does anyone have any advice or experience with this<BR>

> thanks <BR>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

It is a bacteria, so the doctor should have ran a culture to see if it in fact

is whooping cough. Unfortunately, it only responds to antibiotics if given in

the first 10 days. After that for treatment I don't know, I've seen something on

using magnesium chloride, but I don't know anything more than that.

noaholiviaian <phaselow@...> wrote: isn't whooping cough bacterial?

Perhaps it isn't whooping cough, I know.

Pam

>

> hey

> my husband has been sick for some time now the docs think he has

whooping

> cough. does anyone have any advice or experience with this

> thanks

>

>

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[Guest guest]

>

> hey

> my husband has been sick for some time now the docs think he has

whooping

> cough. does anyone have any advice or experience with this

I once had a cough that the doctors thought was either whopping cough

or SARS. Antibiotics did not help. I eventually traced it to red dye

#40.

Dana

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Vick's vapor rub smeared on the bottom of feet then covered with socks help knock coughs out and let's everyone sleep. Goodluck!! Jan

In a message dated 9/29/2009 7:47:45 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, pjmdlammers@... writes:

Hi Caroline, Have you heard of glyconutrients? Ambrotose, made by Mannatech, contains all eight glyconutrients neccessary for cell to cell communication within the body. This goes to the cellular level and provides the body with the nutrients it needs to heal, correct, and repair itself. If you have not heard of this before, let me know. I can give you more information. Pat ----- Whooping Cough > > > Hi there, > > My 3 year old is on Day 5 of fever and violent coughing that keeps her awake at night. Because of the violent nature of the cough and the "wheezing/whooping" sound, I think it is Pertussis. > > How does one treat Pertussis? I am fearful of going to the doctor, because they will report us to the Health Department and then be require us to give very strong antibiotics (with serious risks.) > > Is a doctor/antibiotics the best course or are there other equally effective treatment options? I will make myself a Public Enemy of the Health system if it is necessary for her healing. Also need to determine what to do for when my 20-month old gets the disease (and the rest of us!) > > One of you runs this very helpful website: http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/dptdtap.htm. I went there to find more info, but most of the links seem to be broken, at least on my end this morning. > > Help?! Thank you! > -Caroline > > ------- End of Original Message -------

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Vick's vapor rub smeared on the bottom of feet then covered with socks help knock coughs out and let's everyone sleep. Goodluck!! Jan

In a message dated 9/29/2009 7:47:45 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, pjmdlammers@... writes:

Hi Caroline, Have you heard of glyconutrients? Ambrotose, made by Mannatech, contains all eight glyconutrients neccessary for cell to cell communication within the body. This goes to the cellular level and provides the body with the nutrients it needs to heal, correct, and repair itself. If you have not heard of this before, let me know. I can give you more information. Pat ----- Whooping Cough > > > Hi there, > > My 3 year old is on Day 5 of fever and violent coughing that keeps her awake at night. Because of the violent nature of the cough and the "wheezing/whooping" sound, I think it is Pertussis. > > How does one treat Pertussis? I am fearful of going to the doctor, because they will report us to the Health Department and then be require us to give very strong antibiotics (with serious risks.) > > Is a doctor/antibiotics the best course or are there other equally effective treatment options? I will make myself a Public Enemy of the Health system if it is necessary for her healing. Also need to determine what to do for when my 20-month old gets the disease (and the rest of us!) > > One of you runs this very helpful website: http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/dptdtap.htm. I went there to find more info, but most of the links seem to be broken, at least on my end this morning. > > Help?! Thank you! > -Caroline > > ------- End of Original Message -------

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It may also be croup -In that case losts of moisture(vaporizer) or going into bathroom with shower running. (keep vent off)

Whooping Cough

Hi there,

My 3 year old is on Day 5 of fever and violent coughing that keeps her awake at night. Because of the violent nature of the cough and the "wheezing/whooping" sound, I think it is Pertussis.

How does one treat Pertussis? I am fearful of going to the doctor, because they will report us to the Health Department and then be require us to give very strong antibiotics (with serious risks.)

Is a doctor/antibiotics the best course or are there other equally effective treatment options? I will make myself a Public Enemy of the Health system if it is necessary for her healing. Also need to determine what to do for when my 20-month old gets the disease (and the rest of us!)

One of you runs this very helpful website: http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/dptdtap.htm. I went there to find more info, but most of the links seem to be broken, at least on my end this morning.

Help?! Thank you!

-Caroline

[Guest guest]

It may also be croup -In that case losts of moisture(vaporizer) or going into bathroom with shower running. (keep vent off)

Whooping Cough

Hi there,

My 3 year old is on Day 5 of fever and violent coughing that keeps her awake at night. Because of the violent nature of the cough and the "wheezing/whooping" sound, I think it is Pertussis.

How does one treat Pertussis? I am fearful of going to the doctor, because they will report us to the Health Department and then be require us to give very strong antibiotics (with serious risks.)

Is a doctor/antibiotics the best course or are there other equally effective treatment options? I will make myself a Public Enemy of the Health system if it is necessary for her healing. Also need to determine what to do for when my 20-month old gets the disease (and the rest of us!)

One of you runs this very helpful website: http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/dptdtap.htm. I went there to find more info, but most of the links seem to be broken, at least on my end this morning.

Help?! Thank you!

-Caroline

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I will ask my aromatherapy group and hope they have some suggestions. Oil of Oregano will kill any pathogen but oils have to be diluted for children and you have to be very careful with them. I'll let you know what they say.AnnSent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerryFrom: "carolinemathson" Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 13:01:41 -0000<no-forced-vaccination >Subject: Whooping Cough Hi there, My 3 year old is on Day 5 of fever and violent coughing that keeps her awake at night. Because of the violent nature of the cough and the " wheezing/whooping " sound, I think it is Pertussis. How does one treat Pertussis? I am fearful of going to the doctor, because they will report us to the Health Department and then be require us to give very strong antibiotics (with serious risks.) Is a doctor/antibiotics the best course or are there other equally effective treatment options? I will make myself a Public Enemy of the Health system if it is necessary for her healing. Also need to determine what to do for when my 20-month old gets the disease (and the rest of us!) One of you runs this very helpful website: http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/dptdtap.htm. I went there to find more info, but most of the links seem to be broken, at least on my end this morning. Help?! Thank you! -Caroline