Guest guest Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 Hi, can anyone tell me if someone who is gluten intolerant, can eat sprouted bread, or does it still have gluten in it regardless. Does Ezkiel bread fall into this category? Thanks muchly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 I don't know about the gluten intolerance, but when you find out - if you are able to have it: The hamburger buns, which are also sprouted, are wonderful when toasted - making great sandwiches. Toasting brings out the nutty flavors. My health food store orders them for me - and look for the hot dog buns as well. My guests love them at parties. Have a healthy and happy leap year! audyl <audyl@...> wrote: Hi, can anyone tell me if someone who is gluten intolerant, can eat sprouted bread, or does it still have gluten in it regardless. Does Ezkiel bread fall into this category? Thanks muchly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 Has anyone here ever tried making homemade sprouted breads? I've always wanted to try but feel somewhat intimidated. Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2008 Report Share Posted March 15, 2008 I make a loaf of it every day. And it amounts to at least half of my daily calories. I have some pictures of how it is done in the photo section in the sprouted wheat bread album on this group. Just sprouted wheat and no other ingredients. The 36 watt oven in the picture heats the bread to about 187 degrees over about three hours. I think it is important to let it cook very slowly on low heat to allow the enzymes to do the predigestion. As you can see, the bread at least doubles in size without any yeast or bacteria. There was an old recipe on the web for a flatbread from an Expert on bread. I make a loaf instead, but it is similar in concept. " ... " How should we cook our daily bread without fire, Master? " asked some with great astonishment. Jesus replied, " Let the angels of God prepare your bread Moisten your wheat, that the angel of water may enter it. Then set it in the air, that the angel of air also may embrace it. And leave it from morning to evening beneath the sun, that the angel of sunshine may descend upon it. And the blessing of the three angels will soon make the germ of life to sprout in your wheat, Then crush your grain, and make thin wafers.... Put them back again beneath the sun.... And the same sun which with the fire of life, mode the wheat to grow and ripen! , must cook your bread with the same fire. For the fire of the sun gives life to the wheat, to the bread and to the body. But the fire of death kills the wheat, the bread and the body. ... " Has anyone here ever tried making homemade sprouted breads? I've always wanted to try but feel somewhat intimidated. Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2008 Report Share Posted March 15, 2008 Lester, How did you make your oven? On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 10:28 AM, Lester J. Germanio < lgermanio@...> wrote: > > I make a loaf of it every day. And it amounts to at least half of my > daily calories. I have some pictures of how it is done in the photo > section in the sprouted wheat bread album on this group. Just > sprouted wheat and no other ingredients. > The 36 watt oven in the picture heats the bread to about 187 degrees > over about three hours. I think it is important to let it cook very > slowly on low heat to allow the enzymes to do the predigestion. As > you can see, the bread at least doubles in size without any yeast or > bacteria. There was an old recipe on the web for a flatbread from an > Expert on bread. I make a loaf instead, but it is similar in concept. > " ... " How should we cook our daily bread without fire, Master? " asked some > with great astonishment. > Jesus replied, " Let the angels of God prepare your bread Moisten your > wheat, that the angel of water may enter it. Then set it in the air, > that the angel of air also may embrace it. And leave it from morning > to evening beneath the sun, that the angel of sunshine may descend > upon it. And the blessing of the three angels will soon make the germ > of life to sprout in your wheat, Then crush your grain, and make thin > wafers.... Put them back again beneath the sun.... And the same sun > which with the fire of life, mode the wheat to grow and ripen! , must > cook your bread with the same fire. For the fire of the sun gives life > to the wheat, to the bread and to the body. But the fire of death > kills the wheat, the bread and the body. ... " > > > Has anyone here ever tried making homemade sprouted breads? I've > always wanted to try but feel somewhat intimidated. > Mark > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2008 Report Share Posted March 15, 2008 And one more thing: are you grinding the sprouts in a regular grinder? Like a meat grinder? On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 10:28 AM, Lester J. Germanio < lgermanio@...> wrote: > > I make a loaf of it every day. And it amounts to at least half of my > daily calories. I have some pictures of how it is done in the photo > section in the sprouted wheat bread album on this group. Just > sprouted wheat and no other ingredients. > The 36 watt oven in the picture heats the bread to about 187 degrees > over about three hours. I think it is important to let it cook very > slowly on low heat to allow the enzymes to do the predigestion. As > you can see, the bread at least doubles in size without any yeast or > bacteria. There was an old recipe on the web for a flatbread from an > Expert on bread. I make a loaf instead, but it is similar in concept. > " ... " How should we cook our daily bread without fire, Master? " asked some > with great astonishment. > Jesus replied, " Let the angels of God prepare your bread Moisten your > wheat, that the angel of water may enter it. Then set it in the air, > that the angel of air also may embrace it. And leave it from morning > to evening beneath the sun, that the angel of sunshine may descend > upon it. And the blessing of the three angels will soon make the germ > of life to sprout in your wheat, Then crush your grain, and make thin > wafers.... Put them back again beneath the sun.... And the same sun > which with the fire of life, mode the wheat to grow and ripen! , must > cook your bread with the same fire. For the fire of the sun gives life > to the wheat, to the bread and to the body. But the fire of death > kills the wheat, the bread and the body. ... " > > > Has anyone here ever tried making homemade sprouted breads? I've > always wanted to try but feel somewhat intimidated. > Mark > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2008 Report Share Posted March 15, 2008 Lester, I just searched the list archives for information from you, and got the answers to my questions. Very impressive what you are doing. I use a dyhydrator to dry fruits and I am thinking, since I can control the temperature so easily that I just might be able to make a flat sprouted wheat bread in it. I know the unit came with some recipes for some cracker like things and I have some raw cookbooks that have flat bread and cracker recipes for the temperature and length of time to have the bread in their. I am pretty sure that things stay alive to at least 115, and I have even been told by some people that it is closer to 125. Is grinding the wheat sprouts better than using a food processor? Would there be a problem with the sprouts being cut instead of being flattened and crushed? thanks in advance for your thoughts on this. Joyce -- " There are no passengers on spaceship earth. We are all crew, " Marshall McLuhan Joyce Dallas TX www.dearjubilee.com IACP # P-1834 CGC evaluator #11409 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2008 Report Share Posted March 15, 2008 I am very interested in this thread on sprouted breads - i have just started sprouting and i have a dehyrdator and would like to use sprouts for breads and/or crackers. if anyone is doing this please let me know how. namaste, via Joyce <jmillerwolfe@...> wrote: Lester, I just searched the list archives for information from you, and got the answers to my questions. Very impressive what you are doing. I use a dyhydrator to dry fruits and I am thinking, since I can control the temperature so easily that I just might be able to make a flat sprouted wheat bread in it. I know the unit came with some recipes for some cracker like things and I have some raw cookbooks that have flat bread and cracker recipes for the temperature and length of time to have the bread in their. I am pretty sure that things stay alive to at least 115, and I have even been told by some people that it is closer to 125. Is grinding the wheat sprouts better than using a food processor? Would there be a problem with the sprouts being cut instead of being flattened and crushed? thanks in advance for your thoughts on this. Joyce -- " There are no passengers on spaceship earth. We are all crew, " Marshall McLuhan Joyce Dallas TX www.dearjubilee.com IACP # P-1834 CGC evaluator #11409 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2008 Report Share Posted March 16, 2008 On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 11:44 PM, Via Page <via_page@...> wrote: > I am very interested in this thread on sprouted breads - i have just > started sprouting and i have a dehyrdator and would like to use sprouts for > breads and/or crackers. if anyone is doing this please let me know how. > Do a google search on sprouted wheat cracker recipe dehydrator -- lots of pages come up At http://www.eatsprouts.com/dhd/recipes.html#top-pg , scroll down for carrot cake cracker recipe http://www.living-foods.com/recipes/ryecrackers.html , dehydrator crackers made with sprouted wheat and sprouted rye http://www.yahwehsaliveandwell.com/recipes.html , three sprout bread recipes for dehydrator http://www.homeopathyone.com/recipes.htm , essene bread and essene crackers http://www.sproutman.com/cookbook_contents.html -- the sproutman has a cookbook available that has recipes for making sprout breads and crackers Hope these help get you started! Joyce -- Joyce Dallas TX www.dearjubilee.com IACP # P-1834 CGC evaluator #11409 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2008 Report Share Posted March 16, 2008 PS to my last message: if you want the *SPROUTMAN'S KITCHEN GARDEN COOKBOOK *go to amazon.com, search on the title, and get the book from the used book sellers for about half price. -- " There are no passengers on spaceship earth. We are all crew, " Marshall McLuhan Joyce Dallas TX www.dearjubilee.com IACP # P-1834 CGC evaluator #11409 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2008 Report Share Posted March 16, 2008 I haven't tried a dehydrator, but can't think of a reason it wouldn't work. I do sometimes use a regular oven to make a thick pizza crust. Seems like a dehydrator would be a lot better choice for sprouted wheat pizza than a regular oven. If you try it, let me know. Lester Germanio > Lester, > > I just searched the list archives for information from you, and got the > answers to my questions. Very impressive what you are doing. > > I use a dyhydrator to dry fruits and I am thinking, since I can control the > temperature so easily that I just might be able to make a flat sprouted > wheat bread in it. I know the unit came with some recipes for some cracker > like things and I have some raw cookbooks that have flat bread and cracker > recipes for the temperature and length of time to have the bread in their. I > am pretty sure that things stay alive to at least 115, and I have even been > told by some people that it is closer to 125. > > Is grinding the wheat sprouts better than using a food processor? Would > there be a problem with the sprouts being cut instead of being flattened and > crushed? > > thanks in advance for your thoughts on this. > > Joyce > -- > " There are no passengers on spaceship earth. We are all crew, " Marshall > McLuhan > > Joyce > Dallas TX > www.dearjubilee.com IACP # P-1834 CGC evaluator #11409 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2008 Report Share Posted March 16, 2008 thank you so much Joyce <jmillerwolfe@...> wrote: On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 11:44 PM, Via Page wrote: > I am very interested in this thread on sprouted breads - i have just > started sprouting and i have a dehyrdator and would like to use sprouts for > breads and/or crackers. if anyone is doing this please let me know how. > Do a google search on sprouted wheat cracker recipe dehydrator -- lots of pages come up At http://www.eatsprouts.com/dhd/recipes.html#top-pg , scroll down for carrot cake cracker recipe http://www.living-foods.com/recipes/ryecrackers.html , dehydrator crackers made with sprouted wheat and sprouted rye http://www.yahwehsaliveandwell.com/recipes.html , three sprout bread recipes for dehydrator http://www.homeopathyone.com/recipes.htm , essene bread and essene crackers http://www.sproutman.com/cookbook_contents.html -- the sproutman has a cookbook available that has recipes for making sprout breads and crackers Hope these help get you started! Joyce -- Joyce Dallas TX www.dearjubilee.com IACP # P-1834 CGC evaluator #11409 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2008 Report Share Posted March 16, 2008 Thank you for the sprouted bread resources, Joyce! I love this site - and all of the tasty contributions. Have a healthy and happy leap year! Kind regards, Barbara Via Page <via_page@...> wrote: thank you so much Joyce <jmillerwolfe@...> wrote: On Sat, Mar 15, 2008 at 11:44 PM, Via Page wrote: > I am very interested in this thread on sprouted breads - i have just > started sprouting and i have a dehyrdator and would like to use sprouts for > breads and/or crackers. if anyone is doing this please let me know how. > Do a google search on sprouted wheat cracker recipe dehydrator -- lots of pages come up At http://www.eatsprouts.com/dhd/recipes.html#top-pg , scroll down for carrot cake cracker recipe http://www.living-foods.com/recipes/ryecrackers.html , dehydrator crackers made with sprouted wheat and sprouted rye http://www.yahwehsaliveandwell.com/recipes.html , three sprout bread recipes for dehydrator http://www.homeopathyone.com/recipes.htm , essene bread and essene crackers http://www.sproutman.com/cookbook_contents.html -- the sproutman has a cookbook available that has recipes for making sprout breads and crackers Hope these help get you started! Joyce -- Joyce Dallas TX www.dearjubilee.com IACP # P-1834 CGC evaluator #11409 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2008 Report Share Posted March 16, 2008 gosh I did not know that sprouted bread without yeast could rise so high..I took a look at the files and that picture of the round loaf.. I might like to make some of this myself.. firstly I need to get some wheat from somewhere to sprout..but I only have a dehydrator..what is that item in the picture is it a low temperature type product? I would have to do flatish crackers if I use myl dehydrator. any recipes or tips very welcome please. thanks ajd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 Hi I made sprouted bread using a bread machine, also flat bread in the dehydrator, you can find good recipes online. vanadeux <vanadeux@...> wrote: gosh I did not know that sprouted bread without yeast could rise so high..I took a look at the files and that picture of the round loaf.. I might like to make some of this myself.. firstly I need to get some wheat from somewhere to sprout..but I only have a dehydrator..what is that item in the picture is it a low temperature type product? I would have to do flatish crackers if I use myl dehydrator. any recipes or tips very welcome please. thanks ajd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 Thanks Lester! I hope to hear more about your oven too. Mark > > > I make a loaf of it every day. And it amounts to at least half of my > daily calories. I have some pictures of how it is done in the photo > section in the sprouted wheat bread album on this group. Just > sprouted wheat and no other ingredients. > The 36 watt oven in the picture heats the bread to about 187 degrees > over about three hours. I think it is important to let it cook very > slowly on low heat to allow the enzymes to do the predigestion. As > you can see, the bread at least doubles in size without any yeast or > bacteria. There was an old recipe on the web for a flatbread from an > Expert on bread. I make a loaf instead, but it is similar in concept. > " ... " How should we cook our daily bread without fire, Master? " asked some > with great astonishment. > Jesus replied, " Let the angels of God prepare your bread Moisten your > wheat, that the angel of water may enter it. Then set it in the air, > that the angel of air also may embrace it. And leave it from morning > to evening beneath the sun, that the angel of sunshine may descend > upon it. And the blessing of the three angels will soon make the germ > of life to sprout in your wheat, Then crush your grain, and make thin > wafers.... Put them back again beneath the sun.... And the same sun > which with the fire of life, mode the wheat to grow and ripen! , must > cook your bread with the same fire. For the fire of the sun gives life > to the wheat, to the bread and to the body. But the fire of death > kills the wheat, the bread and the body. ... " > > > > > Has anyone here ever tried making homemade sprouted breads? I've > always wanted to try but feel somewhat intimidated. > Mark > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2008 Report Share Posted April 6, 2008 In a message dated 3/15/2008 10:29:45 AM Central Daylight Time, lgermanio@... writes: > ....The 36 watt oven in the picture heats the bread to about 187 degrees > over about three hours. I think it is important to let it cook very > slowly on low heat to allow the enzymes to do the predigestion.... At first I thought of using my Easy Bake oven (a nostalgic gift from my husband), but I think that uses a 100-watt light bulb? I wonder if an Easy Bake could take a 40-watt bulb? But then there would be that nasty off-gassing from the plastic oven for several hours (too toxic). Oh, well, l guess I'll have to get a dehydrator or solar cooker or something. In a message dated 3/15/2008 10:29:45 AM Central Daylight Time, lgermanio@... writes: > > > I make a loaf of it every day. And it amounts to at least half of my > daily calories. I have some pictures of how it is done in the photo > section in the sprouted wheat bread album on this group. Just > sprouted wheat and no other ingredients. > The 36 watt oven in the picture heats the bread to about 187 degrees > over about three hours. I think it is important to let it cook very > slowly on low heat to allow the enzymes to do the predigestion. As > you can see, the bread at least doubles in size without any yeast or > bacteria. There was an old recipe on the web for a flatbread from an > Expert on bread. I make a loaf instead, but it is similar in concept. > " ... " How should we cook our daily bread without fire, Master? " asked some > with great astonishment. > Jesus replied, " Let the angels of God prepare your bread Moisten your > wheat, that the angel of water may enter it. Then set it in the air, > that the angel of air also may embrace it. And leave it from morning > to evening beneath the sun, that the angel of sunshine may descend > upon it. And the blessing of the three angels will soon make the germ > of life to sprout in your wheat, Then crush your grain, and make thin > wafers.... Put them back again beneath the sun.... And the same sun > which with the fire of life, mode the wheat to grow and ripen! , must > cook your bread with the same fire. For the fire of the sun gives life > to the wheat, to the bread and to the body. But the fire of death > kills the wheat, the bread and the body. ... " > > Has anyone here ever tried making homemade sprouted breads? I've > always wanted to try but feel somewhat intimidated. > Mark > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 If you are into the nostalgic stuff, just go to the grocery store and buy a loaf of sugar and powder Wonder Bread. That takes no effort and maybe is less toxic than cooking in your Easy Bake oven. I just put tomorrows wheat in water and in a couple hours from now, I will be putting todays bread in my easy bake oven. Lester Germanio > ....The 36 watt oven in the picture heats the bread to about 187 degrees > over about three hours. I think it is important to let it cook very > slowly on low heat to allow the enzymes to do the predigestion.... At first I thought of using my Easy Bake oven (a nostalgic gift from my husband), but I think that uses a 100-watt light bulb? I wonder if an Easy Bake could take a 40-watt bulb? But then there would be that nasty off-gassing from the plastic oven for several hours (too toxic). Oh, well, l guess I'll have to get a dehydrator or solar cooker or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 What is the source of the quote below??? Doug C. Houston, Tex. ------------------------------------------------------------- > > Jesus replied, " Let the angels of God prepare your bread Moisten your > > wheat, that the angel of water may enter it. Then set it in the air, > > that the angel of air also may embrace it. And leave it from morning > > to evening beneath the sun, that the angel of sunshine may descend > > upon it. And the blessing of the three angels will soon make the germ > > of life to sprout in your wheat, Then crush your grain, and make thin > > wafers.... Put them back again beneath the sun.... And the same sun > > which with the fire of life, mode the wheat to grow and ripen! , must > > cook your bread with the same fire. For the fire of the sun gives life > > to the wheat, to the bread and to the body. But the fire of death > > kills the wheat, the bread and the body. ... " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 What did Jesus say about vegetarianism Edmond B. Szekely Book One The Essene Gospel of Peace (Found In Vatican Library 1930) FOREWORD Nearly two thousand years have passed since the Son of man taught the way, the truth and the life of mankind. He brought health to the sick, wisdom to the ignorant and happiness to those in misery. He conquered half of humanity and the whole of the civilization of the West. This fact proves the eternal vitality of the Master's words, and their supreme and incomparable value. The content of this book represents only about a third of the complete manuscripts which exist in Aramaic in the Secret Archives of the Vatican and in old Slavonic in the Royal Archives of the Habsburgs (now the property of the Austrian Government). We owe the existence of these two versions to the Nestorian priests who, under pressure of the advancing hordes of Genghis Khan, were forced to flee from the East towards the West, bearing all their ancient scriptures and ikons with them. The ancient Aramaic texts date from the 3rd century after Christ, while the old Slavonic version is a literal translation of the former. Exactly how the texts traveled from Palestine to the interior of Asia into the hands of the Nestorian priests, archeologists are not yet able to reconstruct for us. We have nothing to add to this text. It speaks for itself. The reader who studies the pages that follow with concentration, will feel the eternal vitality and powerful evidence of these profound truths which mankind needs today more urgently than ever before. " And the truth shall bear witness of itself. " London 1937 Jesus said, " It was said to them of old time, 'Honor they Heavenly Father and thy Earthly Mother, and do their commandments, that thy days may be long upon the earth.' And next afterward was given the commandment, 'Thou shalt not kill, for life is given to all by God, and that which God has given, let not man take away. For I tell you truly, from one Mother proceeds all that lives upon the earth. Therefore, he who kills, kills his brother. And from him will the Earthly Mother turn away, and will pluck from him her quickening breasts. And he will be shunned by her angels, and Satan will have his dwelling in his body. And the flesh of slain beasts in his body will become his own tomb. For I tell you truly, he who kills, kills himself, and whoso eats the flesh of slain beasts, eats of the body of death. For in his blood every drop of their blood turns to poison; in his breath their breath to stink; in his flesh their flesh to boils; in his bones their bones to chalk; in his bowels their bowels to decay; in his eyes their eyes to scales; in his ears their ears to waxy issue. And their death will become his death. For only in the service of your Heavenly Father are your debts of seven years forgiven in seven days. But Satan forgives you nothing and you must pay him for all. Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot; burning for burning, wound for wound; life for life, death for death. For the wages of sin is death. Kill not, neither eat the flesh of your innocent prey, lest you become the slaves of Satan. For that is the path of sufferings, and it leads unto death. But do the will of God, that his angels may serve you on the way of life. Obey, therefore, the words of God: Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to everything that moveth and liveth upon earth, wherein there is breath of life, I give every green herb for meat. Also the milk of every thing that moveth and liveth upon earth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given unto them, so I give their milk unto you. But flesh, and the blood which quickens it, shall ye not eat. And surely, your spurting blood will I require, your blood wherein is your soul; I will require all slain beasts, and the souls of all slain men. For I the Lord thy God am a God strong and jealous, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; and show mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments. Love the Lord thy God with all they heart, and with all they soul, and with all thy strength: this is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like unto it: Love thy neighbour as thyself. There is no other commandment greater than these. And after these words they all remained silent, save one, who called out: " What am I to do, Master, if I see a wild beast rend my brother in the forest? Shall I let thy brother perish, or kill the wild beast? Shall not I thus transgress the law? " And Jesus answered, " It was said to them of old time: All beasts that move upon the earth, all the fish of the sea, and all the fowl of the air are given into thy power. I tell you truly, of all creatures living upon the earth, God created only man after his image. Wherefore, beasts are for man and not man for beasts. You do not, therefore, transgress the law if you kill the wild beast to save your brother's life. For I tell you truly, man is more than the beast. But he who kills the beast without a cause, though the beast attack him not, through lust for slaughter, or for its flesh, or for its hide, or yet for its tusks, evil is the deed which he does, for he is turned into a wild beast himself. Wherefore is his end also as the end of the wild beasts. " Then another said: " Moses, the greatest in Israel, suffered our forefathers to eat the flesh of clean beasts, and forbade only flesh of unclean beasts. Why, therefore, do you forbid us the flesh of all beasts? Which law comes from God? That of Moses, or your law? And Jesus answered: " God gave, by Moses, ten commandments to your forefathers, and they could not keep them. When Moses saw this, he had compassion on his people, and would not that they perish. And then he gave them ten times ten commandments. For he whose feet are strong as the mountain of Zion, needs no crutches, than without them. And Moses said to the Lord: " My heart is filled with sorrow, for my people will be lost. For they are without knowledge, and are not able to understand thy commandments. They are as little children who cannot yet understand their father's words. Suffer, Lord, that I give them other laws, that they may not perish. If they may not be with thee, Lord, let them not be against thee: that they may sustain themselves, and when the time has come, and they are ripe for thy words, reveal to them thy laws. " For that did Moses bring the two tablets of stone whereon were written the ten commandments, and he gave them ten times ten in their stead. And of these ten times ten the Scribes and Pharisees have made a hundred times ten commandments. And they laid unbearable burdens on your shoulders, that they themselves do not carry. For the more nigh are the commandments to God, the less do we need; and the farther they are from God, then the more do we need. Wherefore are the laws of the Pharisees and Scribes innumerable; the laws of the Son of Man seven; of the angels three; and of God one. " Therefore, I teach you only those laws which you can understand, that you may become men, and follow the seven laws of the Son of Man. Then will the unknown angels of the Heavenly Father also reveal their laws to you, that God's holy spirit may descend upon you, and lead you to his law. " And all were astonished at his wisdom, and asked him: " Continue, Master, and teach us all the laws which we can receive. " And Jesus continued: " God commanded your forefathers: Those shalt not kill. But their heart was hardened and they killed. Then Moses desired that at least they should not kill men, and he suffered them to kill beasts. And then the heart of your forefathers was hardened yet more, and they killed men and beasts likewise. But I do say to you: Kill neither men, nor beasts, nor let the food which goes into your mouth. For if you eat living food, the same will quicken you, but if you kill your food, the dead food will kill you also. For life comes only from life, and from death comes always death. For everything which kills your foods, kills your bodies also. And everything which kills your bodies kills your souls also. And your bodies become what your foods are, even as your spirits, likewise, become what your thoughts are. Therefore, eat not anything which fire, or frost, or water has destroyed. For burned, frozen and rotted foods will burn, freeze and rot your body also. Be not like the foolish husbandman who sowed in his ground cooked, and frozen, and rotten seeds. And the autumn came, and his fields bore nothing. And great was his distress. But be like that husbandman who sowed in his field living seed, and whose field bore living ears of wheat, paying a hundredfold for the seeds which he planted. For I tell you truly, live only by the fire of life, and prepare not your foods with the fire of death, which kills your foods, your bodies and your souls also. " " Master, where is the fire of life? " asked some of them. " In you, in your blood, and in your bodies. " " And the fire of death? " asked others. " It is the fire which blazes outside your body, which is hotter than your blood. With that fire of death you cook your foods in your homes and in your fields. I tell you truly, it is the same fire which destroys your foods and your bodies, even as the fire of malice, which ravages your thoughts, raves your spirits. For your body is that which you eat, and your spirit is that which you think. Eat nothing, therefore, which a stronger fire than the fire of life has killed. Wherefore, prepare and eat all the fruits of trees, and all grasses of the fields, and all milk of beasts good for eating. For all these are fed and ripened by the fire of life; all are the gift of the angels of our Earthly Mother. But eat nothing to which only the fire of death gives savour, for such is of Satan. " " How should we cook our daily bread without fire, Master? " asked some with great astonishment. " Let the angels of God prepare your bread. Moisten your wheat, that the angel of water may enter it. Then set it in the air, that the angel of air also may embrace it. And leave it from morning to evening beneath the sun, that the angel of sunshine may descend upon it. And the blessing of the three angels will soon make the germ of life to sprout in your wheat. Then crush your grain, and make thin wafers, as did your forefathers when they departed out of Egypt, the house of bondage. Put them back again beneath the sun from its appearing, and when it is risen to its highest in the heavens, turn them over on the other side that they be embraced there also by the angel of sunshine, and leave them there until the sun be set. For the angels of water, of air, and of sunshine fed and ripened the wheat in the field, and they, likewise, must prepare also your bread. And the same sun which, with the fire of life, made the wheat to grow and ripen, must cook your bread with the same fire. For the fire of the sun gives life to the wheat, to the bread, and to the body. But the fire of death kills the wheat, the bread, and the body. And the living angels of the living God serve only living men. For God is the God of the Living, and not the God of the Dead. " So eat always from the table of God: the fruits of the trees, the grain and grasses of the field, the milk of beasts, and the honey of bees. For everything beyond these is of Satan, and leads by the way of sins and of diseases unto death. But the foods which you eat from the abundant table of God give strength and youth to your body, and you will never see disease. For the table of God fed Methuselah of old, and I tell you truly, if you live even as he lived, then will the God of the living give you also long life upon the earth as was his. " For I tell you truly, the God of the living is richer than all the riches of the earth, and his abundant table is richer than the richest table of feasting of all the rich upon the earth. Eat, therefore, all your life at the table of our Earthly Mother, and you will never see want. And when you eat at the table, eat all things even as they are found on the table of the Earthly Mother. Cook not, neither mix all things one with another, lest your bowels become as steaming bogs. For I tell you truly, this is abominable in the eyes of the Lord. " And be not like the greedy servant, who always ate up, at the table of his lord, the portions of others. And he devoured everything himself, and mixed all together in his gluttony. And seeing that, his lord was wroth with him, and drove him from the table. And when all had ended their meal, he mixed together all that remainded upon the table, and called the greedy servant to him, and said: Take and eat all this with the swine, for your place is with them, and not at my table. " Take heed, therefore, and defile not with all kinds of abominations the temple of your bodies. Be content with two or three sorts of food, which you will find always upon the table of our Earthly Mother. And desire not to devour all things which you see around you. For I tell you truly, if you mix together all sorts of food in your body, then the peace of your body will cease, and endless war will rage in you. And it will be blotted out even as homes and kingdoms divided against themselves work their own destruction. For your God is the God of peace, and does never help division. Around not, therefore, again you the wrath of God, lest he drive you from his table, and lest you be compelled to go to the table of Satan, where the fire of sins, diseases, and death will corrupt your body. " And when you eat, never eat unto fullness. Flee the temptations of Satan, and listen to the voice of God's angels. For Satan and his power tempt you always to eat more and more. But live by the spirit, and resist the desires of the body. And your fasting is always pleasing in the eyes of the angels of God. So give heed to how much you have eaten when your body is sated, and always eat less by a third. " Let the weight of your daily food be not less than a mina, but mark that it go not beyond two. Then will the angels of God serve you always, and you will never fall into the bondage of Satan and of his diseases. Trouble not the work of the angels in your body by eating often. For I tell you truly, he who eats more than twice in the day does in him the work of Satan. And the angels of God leave his body, and soon Satan will take possession of it. Eat only when the sun is highest in the heavens, and again when it is set. And you will never see disease, for such finds favour in the eyes of the Lord. And if you will that the angels of God rejoice in your body, and that Satan shun you afar, then sit but once in the day at the table of God. And then your days will be long upon the earth, for this is pleasing in the eyes of the Lord. Eat always when the table of God is served before you, and eat always of that which you will find upon the table of God. For I tell you truly, God knows well what your body needs, and when it needs. " From the coming of the month of Ijar, eat barley; from the month of Sivan, eat wheat, the most perfect among all the seed-bearing herbs. And let your daily bread be made of wheat, that the Lord may take care of your bodies. From Tammuz, eat the sour grape, that your body may diminish and Satan may depart from it. In the month of Elul, gather the grape that the juice may serve you as drink. In the month of Marchesvan, gather the sweet grape, dried and sweetened by the angel of sun, that your bodies may increase for the angels of the Lord dwell in them. You should eat figs rich in juice in the months of Ab and Shebat, and what remain, let the angel of sun keep them for you; eat them with the meat of almonds in all the months when the trees bear not fruits. And the herbs which come after rain, these eat in the month of Thebet, that your blood may be cleansed of all your sins. And in the same month begin to eat also the milk of your beasts, because of this did the Lord give the herbs of the fields to all the best which render milk, that they might with their milk feed man. For I tell you truly, happy are they that eat only at the table of God, and eschew all the abominations of Satan. Eat not unclean foods brought from far countries, but eat always that which your trees bear. For your God knows well what is needful for you, and where and when. And he gives to all peoples of all kingdoms for food that which is best for each. Eat not as the heathen do, who stuff themselves in haste, defiling their bodies with all manner of abominations. " For the power of God's angels enters into you with the living food which the Lord gives you from his royal table. And when you eat, have above you the angel of air, and below you the angel of water. Breathe long and deeply at all your meals, that the angel of air may bless your repasts. And chew well your food with your teeth, that it become water, and that the angel of water turn it into blood in your body. And eat slowly, as it were a prayer you make to the Lord. For I tell you truly, the power of God enters into you, if you eat after this manner at his table. But Satan turns into a steaming bog the body of him upon whom the angels of air and water do not descend at his repasts. And the Lord suffers him no longer at his table. For the table of the Lord is an alter, and he who eats at the table of God is in a temple. For I tell you truly, the body of the Son of Man is turned into a temple, and his inwards into an altar, if he does the commandments of God. Wherefore, put naught upon the altar of the Lord when your spirit is vexed, neither think upon any one with anger in the Temple of God. And enter only into the Lord's Sanctuary when you feel in yourselves the call of his angels, for all that you eat in sorrow, or in anger, or without desire, becomes a poison in your body. For the breath of Satan defiles all these. Place with joy your offerings upon the altar of your body, and let all evil thoughts depart from you when you receive into your body the power of God from his table. And never sit at the table of God before he call you by the angel of appetite. " Rejoice, therefore, always with God's angels at their royal table, for this is pleasing to the heart of the Lord. And your life will be long upon the earth, for the most precious of God's servants will serve you all your days: the angel of joy. " And forget not that every Seventh Day (Saturday) is holy and consecrated to God. On six days feed your body with the gifts of the Earthly Mother, but on the Seventh Day sanctify your body for the Heavenly Father. On the Seventh Day eat not any earthly food, but live only on the Words of God, and be all the day with the angels of the Lord in the kingdom of the Heavenly Father. And on the seventh day let the angels of God build the kingdom of the heavens in your body, as you labour for six days in the kingdom of the Earthly Mother. And let not food trouble the work of the angles in your body throughout the Seventh Day. And God will give you long life upon the earth, that you may have life everlasting in the kingdom of the heavens. For I tell you truly, if you see not diseases any more upon earth, you will live for ever in the kingdom of the heavens. END > > What is the source of the quote below??? > > Doug C. > Houston, Tex. > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Jesus replied, " Let the angels of God prepare your bread Moisten your > > > wheat, that the angel of water may enter it. Then set it in the air, > > > that the angel of air also may embrace it. And leave it from morning > > > to evening beneath the sun, that the angel of sunshine may descend > > > upon it. And the blessing of the three angels will soon make the germ > > > of life to sprout in your wheat, Then crush your grain, and make thin > > > wafers.... Put them back again beneath the sun.... And the same sun > > > which with the fire of life, mode the wheat to grow and ripen! , must > > > cook your bread with the same fire. For the fire of the sun gives life > > > to the wheat, to the bread and to the body. But the fire of death > > > kills the wheat, the bread and the body. ... " > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 Hi Doug! It is Ezekiel 4:9 I guess, from the Bible. Karine Re: sprouted breads What is the source of the quote below??? Doug C. Houston, Tex. ---------------------------------------------------------- > > Jesus replied, " Let the angels of God prepare your bread Moisten your > > wheat, that the angel of water may enter it. Then set it in the air, > > that the angel of air also may embrace it. And leave it from morning > > to evening beneath the sun, that the angel of sunshine may descend > > upon it. And the blessing of the three angels will soon make the germ > > of life to sprout in your wheat, Then crush your grain, and make thin > > wafers.... Put them back again beneath the sun.... And the same sun > > which with the fire of life, mode the wheat to grow and ripen! , must > > cook your bread with the same fire. For the fire of the sun gives life > > to the wheat, to the bread and to the body. But the fire of death > > kills the wheat, the bread and the body. ... " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 Hey Lester, I've been curious about your oven since I first saw the pix you put up in the files section. Did you say a friend made that for you? If he would be good enough to write up a clear parts list and description on how to assemble this oven, I sense enough interest on this list that your friend might be able to start a little web business. Talk about a niche market! I know enough about basic electrical assembly that I could likely put something together if I just had plans. So, tell your friend to think about it, he could make a few dollars and help people eat a healthier diet. Lee On Apr 7, 2008, at 9:24 AM, Lester J. Germanio wrote: > > If you are into the nostalgic stuff, just go to the grocery store and > buy a loaf of sugar and powder Wonder Bread. That takes no effort > and maybe is less toxic than cooking in your Easy Bake oven. > I just put tomorrows wheat in water and in a couple hours from now, I > will be putting todays bread in my easy bake oven. > > Lester Germanio > > > ....The 36 watt oven in the picture heats the bread to about 187 > degrees > > over about three hours. I think it is important to let it cook very > > slowly on low heat to allow the enzymes to do the predigestion.... > At first I thought of using my Easy Bake oven (a nostalgic gift > from my > husband), but I think that uses a 100-watt light bulb? I wonder if an > Easy Bake > could take a 40-watt bulb? But then there would be that nasty off- > gassing from > the plastic oven for several hours (too toxic). Oh, well, l guess > I'll have > to get a dehydrator or solar cooker or something. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2008 Report Share Posted April 7, 2008 My interest has been in developing a near sustainable urban homestead. Given the possibility of an economic collapse, global warming, and peak oil with the added complications of the resource wars and the food to fuel folly of the current US administration; I have been trying to develop a demonstration set of integrated solutions. The food system is sprouted wheat bread from grain brought from off site and stored. The bread being half of the required nutrition. All other food raised on site. Water from rainwater harvesting and power from solar. The reason I mention all that is most other people would not go through the trouble of taking 15 to 20 minutes a day to make their own bread, let alone the trouble it takes to garden. At least while there is such cheap food in the grocery stores. I have been posting the original recipe of sprouted wheat flat bread that takes no special equipment. The Jews who were with Moses in the desert managed to do ok with it for an extended period of time. When I talk about making a loaf a day requiring no cooking and no refrigeration, it is related to my thinking that the grid may flicker off as the dollar tanks. What would the average American do with a sack of wheat handed off the back of a truck even if they were lucky enough to get it. And how would anybody make money on selling something that would require effort from the average American. Especially when a good loaf of whole wheat bread can still be so easily and cheaply obtained from the agribusiness/grocery store lifeline. I don't think there is enough of a market to mass produce this kit. At least until it is too late; then it will be too late. Nobody in America eats bread as a major staple anymore anyway. If you are interested, the oven is a 3 amp 12 volt system. It works best to fit the size of loaf you make. I do about 18 to 20 ounces dry measure of wheat and cook it about three hours to get to about 187 degrees. The sealed compartment is important and the time temperature curve is very important. The half sphere oven sits and seals on a food grade silicone mat. The bread is held up off the the mat a bit with the disk you see in the picture. Some moisture collects at the bottom during the cooking. An antique Keystone grinder with a nut butter blade makes a good second choice for a grinder. The optimal grinder I have is custom made in a machine shop and is expensive. I have been doing the sprouted wheat and fruit diet for over a year now. Some beans, nuts, seeds, roots, herbs, and vegetables are included in what I eat. I think it is an excellent diet and it is working for me. Making my bread has become part of my daily routine. I also plan to build a couple of solar dehydrators/ovens as my preference for food preservation and cooking; based on the criteria of my project. Lester Germanio Hey Lester, I've been curious about your oven since I first saw the pix you put up in the files section. Did you say a friend made that for you? If he would be good enough to write up a clear parts list and description on how to assemble this oven, I sense enough interest on this list that your friend might be able to start a little web business. Talk about a niche market! I know enough about basic electrical assembly that I could likely put something together if I just had plans. So, tell your friend to think about it, he could make a few dollars and help people eat a healthier diet. Lee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2008 Report Share Posted April 8, 2008 > > Hi Doug! > It is Ezekiel 4:9 I guess, from the Bible. > > Karine ------------------------------------------------------------- Karine, Thanks. This explains why I couldn't find the quote in my Bible. The book of Exekiel isn't part of the King Version. Doug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2008 Report Share Posted April 8, 2008 Howdy all, This is my first post seeing as how I am learning much from simply reading the discussions and advice, and since I've been studying theology and biblical manuscript evidence much longer than I have been sprouting, so this will be about the only message where I might be able to say something meaningful to some in the group. The original quote comes from a document called " The Essene Gospel of Peace " supposedly translated from a manuscript Dr. Szekely found in the Vatican Archives and confirmed from another source found in the Hapsburg Royal Library. It is controversial in that Szekely's signature is not found in the logs for the Vatican Library, and both libraries deny the existence of said manuscript. Szekely published his work before the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls, so once the Qumran scrolls were discovered and translated, it was pretty clear that they did not share a common source. Really, there are only two possibilities for Szekely's work. First, it is either a very late document possibly written by a Christian monk who learned much from monastic living and wanted to give credibility to his ideas by working them into a gospel narrative, OR it is entirely Szekely's writing and he made it into a fictitious gospel in order to gain some historical credibility to his ideas. In either case, the author was completely unfamiliar with the geography and climate in which the Essenes lived. Does this mean the Gospel of Peace should not be trusted? No, actually there is a long-standing tradition in biblical manuscripts of working spiritual ideas into narratives with historical figures. Certain stories about Jesus in the gospels in the Bible are literary and not necessarily historical. And there are the second and third century gospels that are part of the Nag Hammadi library like the Gospel of , the Gospel of , and the Gospel of Truth. They are likely not historical, but they still have some valuable spiritual knowledge in them. Anyway, just my $0.02 and some useless information for y'all. Peace, > > > > Hi Doug! > > It is Ezekiel 4:9 I guess, from the Bible. > > > > Karine > ------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Karine, > > Thanks. This explains why I couldn't find the quote in my Bible. The > book of Exekiel isn't part of the King Version. > > Doug > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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