Re: Raw feeding dogs - Off topic (sorta, but not really)

June 21, 2008

Doug, that is a great observation of the similarity between what vets

advise for pets and what doctors advise for people! Vets and doctors

are in the business of making money, and so more sickness means more

money, eh?

The best, Bee

>

> So, I've been feeding Sadie (my 10-month-old Jack ) raw

> chicken for 3 days. I'm too afraid to give her raw chicken bones,

so

> I ground them up in the blender with water to pour over the

chicken.

> I realize that bones will help keep her teeth clean, but I'm not

> willing to take a risk on chicken or fish bones on a small dog. In

> less than 2 weeks, she'll be ready for raw beef/bones, and I have

> tons of grass-fed meaty bones in the freezer. Great to know she

just

> needs about 1/3 pound of meat per day. Thanks to Lis for all the

> info!!

>

> What intrigues me so far (and I have a lot to learn) is that some

of

> these theories echo what Bee says. Some say that raw-fed dogs on

> high quality diets... that their immune systems are strong so that

> they aren't suitable hosts for fleas/ticks. Some say all the other

> parasites/bacteria/etc... cannot survive in the environment of a

> healthy dog's body with a strong immune system.

>

> Many of those people also don't give their dogs vaccinations or

> heartworm preventative either... and their vets think they are

> absolutely crazy for feeding their dogs raw meat... and the vets

> quote articles with backing by the dog food industry to scare

people

> into eating kibble dog food.

>

> Sounds eerily (sp?) similar to people/doctors doesn't it????

>

> So far, so good with Sadie. She hasn't thrown up or had any other

> reactions besides eating a little grass and a rumbling belly.

(Kind

> of like my belly on Bee's diet at first!)

>

> Doug

>

June 21, 2008

>

> So, I've been feeding Sadie (my 10-month-old Jack ) raw

> chicken for 3 days.

Congratulations Doug !

It's so great that you made the move to healthy food for your dog.

> What intrigues me so far (and I have a lot to learn) is that some of

> these theories echo what Bee says. Some say that raw-fed dogs on

> high quality diets... that their immune systems are strong so that

> they aren't suitable hosts for fleas/ticks. Some say all the other

> parasites/bacteria/etc... cannot survive in the environment of a

> healthy dog's body with a strong immune system.

Bee's right - when you boost the immune system with proper food, and

stop consuming things that are unhealthy, it's amazing how strong the

body can become !

> Many of those people also don't give their dogs vaccinations or

> heartworm preventative either... and their vets think they are

> absolutely crazy for feeding their dogs raw meat... and the vets

> quote articles with backing by the dog food industry to scare people

> into eating kibble dog food.

Isn't it a shame how food processors (for humans and pets) and drug

manufacturers are making so much profit, and yet people and pets are

suffering from more ailments than ever. I wish more people could

become aware of the dangers.

Vets and doctors have limited information, and are heavily influenced

by food manufacturers and drug companies.

Food manufacturers and drug companies are out to make a profit.

Lis

June 21, 2008

I also forgot another similarity. The grain-based kibble dog food also

causes teeth problems for dogs. (Periodontal disease). This symptom

shows a weak immune system, but then also leads to a place where

bacteria can thrive in the mouth and move into the bloodstream to

effect major organs. (A healthy dog can eat salmonella-laden chicken

and be just fine. But a dog with bad teeth cannot without endangering

the health of their owners, because the salmonella can thrive in the

gums/bacteria of a immune-compromised mouth). Unless the owner has a

very strong immune system, I suppose.

The diet of raw meat/bones is said to keep a dog's teeth perfectly

white & healthy during their whole lives... with no need for yearly

cleanings at the vet! (Another similarity between vets and

doctors/dentists). It's all about the money.

I'm intrigued by these similarities... and the peices of the puzzle are

really starting to come together for me! I just wish I could have

found out all this stuff BEFORE my immune system was compromised.

Fortunately for Sadie, at 10 months, she should be good to go! (Except

for the tons of vaccinations she got at the pet store before I got

her).

Doug

>

> Doug, that is a great observation of the similarity between what vets

> advise for pets and what doctors advise for people! Vets and doctors

> are in the business of making money, and so more sickness means more

> money, eh?

>

> The best, Bee

June 21, 2008

Hi Doug,

>> I'm too afraid to give her raw chicken bones, so

I ground them up in the blender with water to pour over the chicken. <<

If you grind the bones, make sure they are very fine. The small parts can be

very sharp and pierce her mouth, throat, etc., especially if she is like

most dogs and inhales her food. I can recommend a grinder that will grind

bones, if you are interested. Chicken bones are an appropriate size for a

Jack, though, and should be just fine whole (I feed them to my cats). Cow

bones are really big in comparison to a Jack - depending on how much bone

you give her, it might be to much bone:meat ratio, and constipate her, so if

you run into that, cut back on the bones.

June 21, 2008

Hi again Doug,

>> (Another similarity between vets and

doctors/dentists). It's all about the money. <<

It's not all about the money for some vets. Some vets are very kind and

generous, but they just believe all the crap they are fed in vet school,

which is sponsored by companies like Hill's and Purina.......

>> Fortunately for Sadie, at 10 months, she should be good to go! (Except

for the tons of vaccinations she got at the pet store before I got

her). <<

Being a rescuer, I just had to comment on this. ALL pet stores purchase

their puppies from puppy mills. It doesn't matter what they tell you, ALL

pet stores are there to make a profit, and in order to turn a profit, you

have to have product be produced, shipped, and sold quickly. Puppy mills are

hideous, terrible places where dogs are kept in much the same way that

battery chickens are kept - in close quarters, with only one reason to be

kept alive - to produce puppies. PLEASE do not buy any future pets from pet

stores, especially when MILLIONS of dogs and cats are euthanized in shelters

each year. The shelter we rescue from euthanizes 70-80% of the animals it

takes in, which adds up to about 35,000 a year. At ONE shelter. If you

absolutely must get a purebred dog next time around, look around for

reputable breeders - there are those who feed raw and give few if any

vaccines.

Puppy Mills Info:

http://stoppuppymills.org/

http://prisonersofgreed.org/

Online " shelters " where you can search for your new best friend (rescue

groups and shelters)

http://www.petfinder.com

http://www.1-800-save-a-pet.com

http://www.pets911.com

On finding a natural breeder:

http://www.naturalrearing.com/coda/index.html

June 21, 2008

No need to grind their bones - let them grind their own. Chicken bones are

dangerous when cooked, not when raw. Keep pieces larger, not smaller to avoid

the choking/gulping...

Maggie

2/3 to a Dane 6 pack with Rufus, Oliver (deaf), Mickey and Charlie

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