Salmonella

[Guest guest]

Hello,

I'm new here and this is my first question. I am hung up on the post I read

about salmonella; that we can't 'get' it, because it has

to do with the 'terrain' of our bodies. I know that our health and immune

system are major factors in whether or not we succumb to

a certain condition, but is it not true that we can get sick from ingesting

bacteria and such? None of us have perfect immune

systems that make us immune to disease and bacteria, so why put the extra burden

on our bodies with things such as salmonella on our

lettuce or whatever if we can wash it off first? Isn't that the purpose of

avoiding modern food with all it's chemical additives and

preservatives?

These people that got sick with salmonella, even though many did not because

they may have had better tuned immune systems, wouldn't

they have fared better if they had used more precautions and not ingested it by

carefully cleaning the tomatoes or whatever

first?Or, maybe they did and still got sick because their immune system was not

working for them, and the others didn't because

theirs was, but also maybe because they took more precautions.

I guess I've missed the point because I am very careful to clean any produce

before using it, washing my hands, etc.. I can't take a

chance that my immune system is going to protect me when it may not .I have read

about the germ theory and flies not causing

garbage, but isn't it just common sense to not subject ourselves to the

possibility of becoming infected when we already know we are

not perfectly healthy? What about those who are immune-suppressed, or

compromised in some way?

Could you please help me to understand your point of view on this? I am very

interested because this is contrary to what I've always

believed and maybe I've been worrying about the wrong things.

Sandr

[Guest guest]

For some reason, I can see this with most all bacteria and viruses

except lyme and co-infections. I have had it drummed into me that

lyme disease is very evasive and tricks the immune system as if it

si a super bug. I would love not to have this " feeling " about it.

Same thing for the co-infections, especially bartonella which it

seems rounds of different abx cannot touch in some cases. There is

the established medical community resisting the idea of " chronic

lyme " and those suffering from it who are trying to get it across to

the medical community and insurance companies that this is truly

serious. Then to have this and feel stuck between this drama. Side

note: As someone else mentioned, I've had lots of rumbling and gas

lately... I'm up to 4 TBS coconut oil and have cut out most grains.

Some fruits are still in. I've been on garlic for months now, so

thinking not to go off. I came in sideways. Still reading and

absorbing. Lots to wrap my brain around, esp when there is so much

fear in lymeland that demonizes these bugs. I don't want to discount

the potential of this lyme bug and these bugs to get really nasty and

I want to come to terms. Sal

>

> Hi Sanr. Welcome to our group. It is possible that everyone has

> been worrying about the wrong things. The fact is that the " germ

> theory of disease " is not true. Think about it, germs, bacteria,

> etc. are everywhere, on everything, so IF we can " catch " them we

> would " all " have " all " of the germs/bacteria/viruses " all " of the

> time. If that were the case the human race would have died out.

>

> So " catching " something isn't the factor that determines whether we

> get sick from germs, bacteria, etc. There must be some other

factor,

> because not everyone who gets bit by a tick gets Lyme's Disease,

not

> everyone who gets bit by an infected mosquito gets malaria, not

> everyone who is around someone with a cold gets a cold, etc.

>

> However, there can be factors like " mind over matter, " i.e. if you

> believe something will happen it WILL happen. Or you can go into

> agreement or sympathy with others and have what they have, like

> husbands who experience their wive's birth pains.

>

> The body itself creates bacteria, viruses, etc. from a tiny microbe

> that is benign, which is found everywhere as well (on rocks, trees,

> in every animal and in human bodies. These tiny microbes can

change

> (called pleomorphism) under certain circumstances in order to clean

> up the body, or to " take it out, " as the case may be (according to

> nature it is survival of the fittest).

>

> The best article to read on this is You Do Not " Catch " Germs,

> Bacteria or Viruses:

> http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/germ12.php

>

> There are many other related articles too: See The Germ & Antibody

> Theories are False:

> http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/menu5_3.php

>

> Hopefully these will help you understand better. I ate my own mud

> pies when I was a child, and the water I used was from the stream

> where my grandpa's cows drank and urinated & ____ so on. We rarely

> got sick then, but we had raw dairy, meat from the farm, fish we

> caught, a vegetable garden, untreated water, no plastics, no

toxins,

> etc. I didn't get any cavities until I was 14 years old, and by

then

> we had moved to the City.

>

> Our society has become obsessed with cleanliness, and it is crazy.

> You cannot avoid germs in any case, but the fact is it IS the

health

> of our bodies that determines whether we are healthy or sick, not

the

> germs!

>

> The best in health, Bee

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Thank you. I appreciate being here.

>

> But if that were the case that we can't get infected with anything,

when then would our immune systems come into play, or why would

> we even have, need them?

>

I agree, Sanr. For someone like Bee who has a healthy immmune system

those theories might be true. But for US, and millions of people

like us, our immune systems are not strong. I'm 99% sure that if I

was in a laboratory (or 95% of OTHER people in the world were in a

laboratory), and I was given salmonella to ingest, I would

immediately become sick and throw up. If a lyme-infected tick was

put on my leg by a scientist, I would likely see the bullseye circle

within 2 weeks. If a malaria-ridden mosquito bit me, I would begin

to show symptoms. If AIDS-tainted blood was injected into my veins,

within 2 months, I would become HIV positive. (All of these could be

done with me blindfolded and not told what was being done. Not by

coincedence, I would " catch " the exact organism/infection I was

given.) There are hundreds of such examples I could give.

I believe a strong immune system would protect us from most things,

other than eventual death from something. BUT the problem is most

of us don't have healthy immune systems, so I believe the

germ/bacteria theory holds true for us. It is simply too

demonstrable in the laboratory to believe otherwise. For skeptics, I

would like to see those who don't believe you can catch such things

like malaria, plague, flu, etc... volunteer for trials where they

voluntarily have themselves injected with those organisms and

substances for verification. But they, wisely, would probably

not wish to take the chance on the theory being wrong.

It might or might not be true. THEREFORE: Like you say, it doesn't

hurt to be careful and wash our hands and produce, as long as we try

ot to use antibacterial soaps which weaken our immune systems

further. There is no logical reason to test fate, when washing hands

is easy to do. There is no logical reason to continue to eat meat

that tastes foul. We have been given the ability to REASON for a

very good reason.

For instance, there have been many outbreaks of Hepatitis caused by a

careless restaurant worker who prepares foods for others after not

washing his hands after pooping. Dozens of patrons will later get

sick from the same restaurant... and WITHOUT communicating with each

other. (Therefore, it is not simply " in their head " ... because there

is no collaboration). By investigation, it can easily be proven that

the illness arose from ONE careless person. Not just a chance

outbreak of dozens of people miraculously having " healing reactions "

at the exact same time from the exact same restaurant, even though

each person has a different immune system.

I will keep an open mind and admit the germ theory MIGHT be false.

But I'll have to see a lot more evidence before I'll swallow it.

Including clinical trials of those with strong immune systems

voluntarily allowing themselves to be guinnea pigs.

Like you say, our immune systems are aleady over-burdened as it is.

Bee herself recommends not having our teeth cleaned or flossed,

because it is added stress for our immune system. So it just stands

to reason not to take uneccessary risks with other things.

Doug

[Guest guest]

>

> Thank you. I appreciate being here.

>

> But if that were the case that we can't get infected with anything,

when then would our immune systems come into play, or why would

> we even have, need them?

==>Hi Sanr. The immune system is not so much a defense mechanism to

the outside world, as we are led to believe, as it is a monitor for

inside the body. Immunity isn't what the medical field says it is,

regarding antibodies, etc. - see these article:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/menu5_3_2.php

==>In fact people who had the lowest antibodies were more immune to

diseases than those who have high antibodies. Vaccines, for example,

bypass and overcome natural immunity, causing more damage and

less " supposed " immunity than the body does all by itself.

>

> I believe as you do, that the healthier we are the less illnesses

we would have, but not everyone has good health and an

uncompromised or strong immune ststem working for them. In these

cases, wouldn'it be prudent to take precautions and not overload

> our systems by removing some of the toxins our systems would need

to protect us from?

==>Yes, it would be prudent to not overload a poor immune system with

toxins, but germs, bacteria, viruses are not toxins. The only way to

not have bacteria, etc. is to treat the reason the body created them

in the first place, and that is by building up the immune system and

overall strength of the body, which includes eliminating toxins from

foods, drugs, the environment, etc.

>

> Please take this the way it's intended, as just a question, but why

then would we wash our hands after using the bathroom, or before

> handling and eating food after petting our dog if there is no

concern about bacteria?.There are so many other scenarios where good

> hygiene and cleanliness are stressed for the same reasons. Are

these routines all unnecessary?

==>I do take your questions the way you intend them my friend. I'm

glad you are asking them. I think those routines are unnecessary.

There was a King that never took a bath, and he was very healthy.

They say his skin was soft and buttery, like a babies, his entire

life. When I was a child we only took a bath and had our hair washed

once a week. There were 5 kids growing up together, and we all

bathed in the same water in a galvanized tub.

==>The medical field claims that washing the hands is so important in

hospitals, where most people get germs, bacteria, etc. But look at

hospitals; they have the worst food possible, that is devoid of

nutrients, and people that are there are sick and/or have surgery

(their immune systems are already compromised) and they are treated

with drugs (poisons) and surgery. Nutrients are what people in

hospitals need most! Of course those people's bodies will be forming

and mutating bacteria in order to get rid of the drugs (poisons) and

since they lack proper nutrients their immune systems cannot function

right.

==>Remember, too, that the medical field has got " lying with

statistics " down to a science. I always questioned statistics

because I read the book " How to Lie with Statistics " when I was 19

years old.

==>It is interesting when you seek the truth behind many epidemics

you will find they are not caused by rats, insects, etc., nor were

they spread from person to person. For example, the bubonic plague.

In the book " Sugar Blues " he writes that prior to the bubonic plague

Britian was importing millions of pounds of sugar a year, which had

increased from zero to 16 million pounds within 10 years. The

bubonic plague did not affect poor people or country-folk because

they couldn't afford sugar.

==>At that time sugar was under lock and key in rich peoples homes,

and those people had more trouble with their teeth and servants

noticed their urine started smelling exceptionally sweet - later it

was found that sweet smelling urine was a sign of diabetes.

I hope that helps you understand. You can do more research by doing

an internet search using the word " pleomorphism " and by reading

articles on this site: http://www.whale.to/

The best in health to you Sanr.

Bee

[Guest guest]

>

> For some reason, I can see this with most all bacteria and viruses

> except lyme and co-infections. I have had it drummed into me that

> lyme disease is very evasive and tricks the immune system as if it

> si a super bug. I would love not to have this " feeling " about it.

> Same thing for the co-infections, especially bartonella which it

> seems rounds of different abx cannot touch in some cases.

==>Sal, the medical industry does not believe nutrients help, nor

that the body heals itself, so they look in the absolute wrong

direction for explanations. They even come up with theories that

something like Lyme's can trick the immune system to explain their

twisted thinking. God didn't make any stupid bodies my friend. If a

person is not dead, their immune system is working, and it cannot be

tricked like we are led to believe. You'll begin to understand as

you read more - also see these articles:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/menu2_4_3.php

>There is the established medical community resisting the idea

of " chronic lyme " and those suffering from it who are trying to get

it across to the medical community and insurance companies that this

is truly serious.

==>There is not doubt that it is serious, but again it comes down the

condition of those people's bodies. Does the medical industry treat

people like they used to, with nutrients, eliminating toxins, etc.?

No. They have turned into patsies for the drug companies. It's all

about the money!

==>I've been bitten by ticks numerous times, but I didn't get Lyme's

Disease; I didn't even get a reaction to the bite itself. My brother

had Lyme's Disease, but at that point he had Crohn's disease for many

years, was an alcoholic and didn't get the nutrients he needed. He

was on my program for about 2 years when he cured his Crohn's

disease, and during that time his body retraced the Lyme's Disease

and many other symptoms he experienced over the years. He had

Crohn's disease for 20 years.

> Then to have this and feel stuck between this drama. Side

> note: As someone else mentioned, I've had lots of rumbling and gas

> lately... I'm up to 4 TBS coconut oil and have cut out most grains.

> Some fruits are still in. I've been on garlic for months now, so

> thinking not to go off. I came in sideways. Still reading and

> absorbing. Lots to wrap my brain around, esp when there is so much

> fear in lymeland that demonizes these bugs. I don't want to

discount the potential of this lyme bug and these bugs to get really

nasty and I want to come to terms.

==>Yes you would get gas and rumblings since candida puts out carbon

dioxide (gas) when it is being killed off. This will subside as you

progress on this program.

==>Demonize is a good word to describe what the drug cos. and medical

industry is doing - see this article " Creating Fears of Germs & Fear

of Disease " : http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/germ3.php

Also see " Selling Sickness: The Pharmaceutial Industry & Disease

Mongering " :

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/corrupt12.php

==>Sal, I'm glad you are putting on your thinking cap. It is healthy

to find out for yourself the answers you need.

The best to you, Bee

[Guest guest]

Yes, but Bee, bacteria and viruses can grow in a petri dish in the lab

with the right moisture and temperature environment. They don't need a

body to live in to " create " themselves or be created. There is no body

needed to produce them. They naturally thrive and grow in the right

environment. And I believe a body with a weakened immune system is

precisely that environment (as well as having the right temperature),

at this point. Although I'm willing to learn or hear alternate

theories. It is documented that those with adrenal malfunction and

lower body temps are more susceptable to bacterial overgrowths because

the body system is compromised. (That's why we have fevers... to kill

the little boogers). If the body created virusus/bacteria to clean up

itself, then why does the body also create a fever to kill the things

it created to clean up itself?

Also, concerning the bubonic plague... if sugar was the cause, then why

haven't we seen huge outbreaks of it in the United States? We eat MUCH

more than 11 million pounds per year here. And it's not just the rich

people who are eating it. I'm very sure that per capita, Americans eat

much more sugar per year compared to those who suffered from the plague.

We have seen outbreaks of the plague in 3rd world countries where they

don't eat much sugar, but there are lots of rats around who carry it.

Doug

[Guest guest]

>

> Yes, but Bee, bacteria and viruses can grow in a petri dish in the

lab with the right moisture and temperature environment. They don't

need a body to live in to " create " themselves or be created. There

is no body needed to produce them. They naturally thrive and grow in

the right environment.

==>Yes, they grow in petri dishes because those tiny microbes are

found everywhere, on rocks, on trees, on every single surface on this

planet, and they will change in the right environment for sure!

And I believe a body with a weakened immune system is precisely that

environment (as well as having the right temperature), at this

point. Although I'm willing to learn or hear alternate theories. It

is documented that those with adrenal malfunction and lower body

temps are more susceptable to bacterial overgrowths because

the body system is compromised.

==>Yes, again weakened immune systems, adrenal malfunction, lower

body temps are all abnormal, so the body will create bugs to deal

with the non-optimal condition. That's why candida is accompanied by

other bacteria and viruses.

> (That's why we have fevers... to kill the little boogers). If the

body created virusus/bacteria to clean up itself, then why does the

body also create a fever to kill the things it created to clean up

itself?

==>That's a good point. Killing boogers isn't the only reason for

the body creating a fever: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fever. Fevers

in general help the body heal, increases blood flow, heart rate,

muscle tone, etc. The body does everything for a very good reason,

and it is certain it isn't creating a fever simply to kill bugs.

Fever and other symptoms all work together to help the body do its

job.

>

> Also, concerning the bubonic plague... if sugar was the cause, then

why haven't we seen huge outbreaks of it in the United States? We

eat MUCH more than 11 million pounds per year here. And it's not

just the rich people who are eating it. I'm very sure that per

capita, Americans eat much more sugar per year compared to those who

suffered from the plague. We have seen outbreaks of the plague in 3rd

world countries where they don't eat much sugar, but there are lots

of rats around who carry it.

==>No, that's because the medicos change the names of diseases in

order to cover their " a _ _. " Here's a great example of changing the

name of polio to " make the public believe " that vaccines helped

irradicate it: http://www.whale.to/vaccine/polio1.html

The best, Bee

[Guest guest]

Bee,

==>. Vaccines, for example,

bypass and overcome natural immunity, causing more damage and

less " supposed " immunity than the body does all by itself.

I agree with you about vaccines. More than forty years ago I refused to

vaccinate my children even to enter school ( a requirement

at that time) with the smallpox vacc because it was causing more smallpox than

it was preventing.

==>I think those routines are unnecessary.

There was a King that never took a bath, and he was very healthy.

They say his skin was soft and buttery, like a babies, his entire

life. When I was a child we only took a bath and had our hair washed

once a week. There were 5 kids growing up together, and we all

bathed in the same water in a galvanized tub.

Millenniums ago it was unheard of to take baths the way we do today. Although in

Bible times they did have public springs and baths

in Rome for healing. I read of a king too that took a bath and made the

statement, 'one day I predict that everyone will be taking a

bath at least once a year'.But those kings did not live in our polluted world

today.

Same here, but could you do that with your own children? Bacteria can enter

through the pores of the skin the same way

nutrients can be applied topically and be absorbed.

==>The medical field claims that washing the hands is so important in

hospitals, where most people get germs, bacteria, etc.

Wasn't that the cause of childbed fever, when doctors went from the morgue to

delivering babies without washing their hands? This

had

to be caused through introduction of bacteria.Only when this was discovered as

the reason and hand washing was implemented did the

deaths of many new mothers drop. I believe these routines are very necessary.

==>But look at

hospitals; they have the worst food possible, that is devoid of

nutrients, and people that are there are sick and/or have surgery

(their immune systems are already compromised) and they are treated

with drugs (poisons) and surgery.

I agree hospitals are the worst places to be when you're sick. Medicine today

knows very little about nutrition and relies on the

knife and

drugs instead.

==>It is interesting when you seek the truth behind many epidemics

you will find they are not caused by rats, insects, etc., nor were

they spread from person to person. For example, the bubonic plague.

In the book " Sugar Blues " he writes that prior to the bubonic plague

Britian was importing millions of pounds of sugar a year, which had

increased from zero to 16 million pounds within 10 years. The

bubonic plague did not affect poor people or country-folk because

they couldn't afford sugar.

Sugar will depress your immune system immensely and allow bacteria and disease

to overcome the body .In fact, sugar will harm your

body in 168 ways.

I think what you're saying here is that a pure bloodstream will not get sick?

I've always believed that, but that is an

impossibility with our polluted environment that any of us have a pure

bloodstream. Our bodies are full of chemicals.

Aids victims and others born without immunity (the boy in the bubble) are so

prone to infection and need ultimate

protection from outside themselves..

When we cut ourselves, the area becomes red (inflammation, another protective

mechanism) then white cells rush to the site to

counteract and envelope the invader(pus). This is our immune system in action

protecting us from the outside world.

I also have that book along with another titled Lick The Sugar Habit..Another

helpful one I own and recommend is The Terrain Is

Everything

The best to you as well,

Sanr

[Guest guest]

>

> Bee,

>

> ==>. Vaccines, for example,

> bypass and overcome natural immunity, causing more damage and

> less " supposed " immunity than the body does all by itself.

>

> I agree with you about vaccines. More than forty years ago I

refused to vaccinate my children even to enter school ( a requirement

> at that time) with the smallpox vacc because it was causing more

smallpox than it was preventing.

+++Good for you! My father wouldn't allow us to get the polio

vaccine, thank goodness! He stood up to the whole school and school

board.

>

> ==>I think those routines are unnecessary.

> There was a King that never took a bath, and he was very healthy.

> They say his skin was soft and buttery, like a babies, his entire

> life. When I was a child we only took a bath and had our hair washed

> once a week. There were 5 kids growing up together, and we all

> bathed in the same water in a galvanized tub.

>

> Millenniums ago it was unheard of to take baths the way we do

today. Although in Bible times they did have public springs and baths

> in Rome for healing. I read of a king too that took a bath and made

the statement, 'one day I predict that everyone will be taking a

> bath at least once a year'.But those kings did not live in our

polluted world today.

>

> Same here, but could you do that with your own children? Bacteria

can enter through the pores of the skin the same way

> nutrients can be applied topically and be absorbed.

+++The point IS that IF bacteria can affect us, through pores, etc.

then why don't we all have all of the bacteria, viruses, etc. all of

the time? There is another factor that is different in those that

have such illnesses and those that do not. What is it?

>

> ==>The medical field claims that washing the hands is so important

in hospitals, where most people get germs, bacteria, etc.

>

> Wasn't that the cause of childbed fever, when doctors went from the

morgue to delivering babies without washing their hands? This

had to be caused through introduction of bacteria.Only when this was

discovered as the reason and hand washing was implemented did the

> deaths of many new mothers drop. I believe these routines are very

necessary.

+++Oh, really? Are they necessary, or was that the explanation given

for less deaths by new mothers?

>

> ==>But look at

> hospitals; they have the worst food possible, that is devoid of

> nutrients, and people that are there are sick and/or have surgery

> (their immune systems are already compromised) and they are treated

> with drugs (poisons) and surgery.

>

> I agree hospitals are the worst places to be when you're sick.

Medicine today knows very little about nutrition and relies on the

> knife and drugs instead.

+++That's great we agree on that point! LOL!

>

> ==>It is interesting when you seek the truth behind many epidemics

> you will find they are not caused by rats, insects, etc., nor were

> they spread from person to person. For example, the bubonic plague.

> In the book " Sugar Blues " he writes that prior to the bubonic plague

> Britian was importing millions of pounds of sugar a year, which had

> increased from zero to 16 million pounds within 10 years. The

> bubonic plague did not affect poor people or country-folk because

> they couldn't afford sugar.

>

> Sugar will depress your immune system immensely and allow bacteria

and disease to overcome the body .In fact, sugar will harm your

> body in 168 ways.

>

> I think what you're saying here is that a pure bloodstream will not

get sick? I've always believed that, but that is an

> impossibility with our polluted environment that any of us have a

pure bloodstream. Our bodies are full of chemicals.

+++Yes, we do have lots of chemicals and " good " fats are the most

important substances to clean them out. But with the advent of the

lies about cholesterol people aren't consuming " good " fats so their

bodies are unable to get rid of poisons, chemicals, etc.

>

> Aids victims and others born without immunity (the boy in the

bubble) are so prone to infection and need ultimate protection from

outside themselves..

==>That's true, since babies inherit both of their

parent's " nutritional status " upon conception, as proved by Dr.

Weston A. Price in his book " Nutrition and Physical Degeneration. "

He proved that heredity was based on nutrition and not genes as we

are led to believe. He also proved that proper nutrition changes

genes/DNA.

> When we cut ourselves, the area becomes red (inflammation, another

protective mechanism) then white cells rush to the site to

> counteract and envelope the invader(pus). This is our immune system

in action protecting us from the outside world.

+++Is it ? Pus is not the invader. It is created within the body

ifself. The fact is inflammation (redness) means the body is

bringing more healing blood to the area, and swelling means it is

immobilizing the area so it can heal better, and pus is a healing

substance which helps cleanse as well as bringing other substances to

assist the healing process.

>

> I also have that book along with another titled Lick The Sugar

Habit..Another helpful one I own and recommend is The Terrain Is

> Everything.

==>I have Lick the Sugar Habit too.

Cheers, Bee

[Guest guest]

+++The point IS that IF bacteria can affect us, through pores, etc.

then why don't we all have all of the bacteria, viruses, etc. all of

the time? There is another factor that is different in those that

have such illnesses and those that do not. What is it?

Our immune system coupled with how clean our bloodstream is., A pure bloodstream

cannot get sick because there would not be any

bacteria to feed on , to attract the flies to the garbage, as it were..

And, there are those who take all the traditional tratments for cancer, such as

chemo, radiation, etc and it kills them anyway. But

others survive. Why ? What do you think it is?

> Wasn't that the cause of childbed fever, when doctors went from the

morgue to delivering babies without washing their hands? This

had to be caused through introduction of bacteria.Only when this was

discovered as the reason and hand washing was implemented did the

> deaths of many new mothers drop.

I said this " I believe these routines are very

necessary. " Meaning All protective routines, washing produce, hygiene, etc

because you said this:==>I think those routines are unnecessary.

Incidentally, this was why diseases dropped off, because they became aware of

public and personal hygiene, not the vaccines that

were invented and given the credit. For years people died of lead poisoning

because they drank and ate from lead vessels. And the

list goes on.

+++Oh, really? Are they necessary, or was that the explanation given

for less deaths by new mothers?

What do you think made the difference. They didn't do anything else different

than washing their hands.

> When we cut ourselves, the area becomes red (inflammation, another

protective mechanism) then white cells rush to the site to

> counteract and envelope the invader(pus). This is our immune system

in action protecting us from the outside world.

+++Is it ? Pus is not the invader. It is created within the body

ifself. The fact is inflammation (redness) means the body is

bringing more healing blood to the area, and swelling means it is

immobilizing the area so it can heal better, and pus is a healing

substance which helps cleanse as well as bringing other substances to

assist the healing process.

No, I was saying that the white cells that rush to envelope the invader, (germ,

whatever) are CALLED pus, not that the invader was

pus..just as I said that the red area was called Inflammation.

Sanr

[Guest guest]

>

> +++The point IS that IF bacteria can affect us, through pores, etc.

> then why don't we all have all of the bacteria, viruses, etc. all of

> the time? There is another factor that is different in those that

> have such illnesses and those that do not. What is it?

>

> Our immune system coupled with how clean our bloodstream is., A

pure bloodstream cannot get sick because there would not be any

> bacteria to feed on , to attract the flies to the garbage, as it

were..

==>The blood is the source of those tiny microbes my friend that

change into many different types of bugs. There's tons of photos on

the net.

>

> And, there are those who take all the traditional tratments for

cancer, such as chemo, radiation, etc and it kills them anyway. But

> others survive. Why ? What do you think it is?

==>Hey Sanr. This is interesting but I do not think it helps to

continue discussing it. This group is mainly about nutrition and

healing naturally.

Take good care, Bee

[Guest guest]

> >

> > For some reason, I can see this with most all bacteria and viruses

> > except lyme and co-infections. I have had it drummed into me that

> > lyme disease is very evasive and tricks the immune system as if it

> > si a super bug. I would love not to have this " feeling " about it.

> > Same thing for the co-infections, especially bartonella which it

> > seems rounds of different abx cannot touch in some cases.

>

It is very hard to change thinking on this for me too. My mom has been

told she has lyme disease and that she has had it for many years and

that it has caused dermatomyositis, which can become pretty

debilitating.

Jana

[Guest guest]

Treva Shay Spence

From: Bee <beeisbuzzing2003@...>

Subject: [ ] Re: Salmonella

Date: Sunday, June 22, 2008, 9:01 AM

>

> For some reason, I can see this with most all bacteria and viruses

> except lyme and co-infections. I have had it drummed into me that

> lyme disease is very evasive and tricks the immune system as if it

> si a super bug. I would love not to have this " feeling " about it.

> Same thing for the co-infections, especially bartonella which it

> seems rounds of different abx cannot touch in some cases.

==>Sal, the medical industry does not believe nutrients help, nor

that the body heals itself, so they look in the absolute wrong

direction for explanations. They even come up with theories that

something like Lyme's can trick the immune system to explain their

twisted thinking. God didn't make any stupid bodies my friend. If a

person is not dead, their immune system is working, and it cannot be

tricked like we are led to believe. You'll begin to understand as

you read more - also see these articles:

http://www.healingn aturallybybee. com/articles/ menu2_4_3. php

>There is the established medical community resisting the idea

of " chronic lyme " and those suffering from it who are trying to get

it across to the medical community and insurance companies that this

is truly serious.

==>There is not doubt that it is serious, but again it comes down the

condition of those people's bodies. Does the medical industry treat

people like they used to, with nutrients, eliminating toxins, etc.?

No. They have turned into patsies for the drug companies. It's all

about the money!

==>I've been bitten by ticks numerous times, but I didn't get Lyme's

Disease; I didn't even get a reaction to the bite itself. My brother

had Lyme's Disease, but at that point he had Crohn's disease for many

years, was an alcoholic and didn't get the nutrients he needed. He

was on my program for about 2 years when he cured his Crohn's

disease, and during that time his body retraced the Lyme's Disease

and many other symptoms he experienced over the years. He had

Crohn's disease for 20 years.

> Then to have this and feel stuck between this drama. Side

> note: As someone else mentioned, I've had lots of rumbling and gas

> lately... I'm up to 4 TBS coconut oil and have cut out most grains.

> Some fruits are still in. I've been on garlic for months now, so

> thinking not to go off. I came in sideways. Still reading and

> absorbing. Lots to wrap my brain around, esp when there is so much

> fear in lymeland that demonizes these bugs. I don't want to

discount the potential of this lyme bug and these bugs to get really

nasty and I want to come to terms.

==>Yes you would get gas and rumblings since candida puts out carbon

dioxide (gas) when it is being killed off. This will subside as you

progress on this program.

==>Demonize is a good word to describe what the drug cos. and medical

industry is doing - see this article " Creating Fears of Germs & Fear

of Disease " : http://www.healingn aturallybybee. com/articles/ germ3.php

Also see " Selling Sickness: The Pharmaceutial Industry & Disease

Mongering " :

http://www.healingn aturallybybee. com/articles/ corrupt12. php

==>Sal, I'm glad you are putting on your thinking cap. It is healthy

to find out for yourself the answers you need.

The best to you, Bee