Cheating question. :) little vs. alot DIFFERENCE?

[Guest guest]

I started doing a weekly cheat, as I can handle the cravings. (Some

weeks I don't cheat too.) I usually do it on Fridays when I work in

this office, because it makes lunch a lot easier. But today I brought

my lunch and didn't cheat (because next week, I'll cheat on Friday

night in Russia when Marina's mom makes a big spread of Russian food).

So I was copying something at the machine today, and someone left a big

box of expensive chocolates on the table for people to eat. I ate one,

mainly because I haven't had a piece of chocolate in more than 6

months. I can control myself, and didn't feel the need to eat more.

Was one piece of chocolate the same as eating a hamburger & fries with

ketchup and a glass of lemon water, or does it matter about how MUCH

you do of something? If so, I'll get my money's worth from future

cheats. It was a small piece of chocolate, and I really didn't feel

any candida-related fatigue symptoms afterwards, as I do with a

cheating meal.

Doug

[Guest guest]

Hi Doug,

No way could I get away with eating a piece of chocolate or a hamburger! I had

two strawberries 6 months back and immediately felt dizzy, and had bloating. The

only cheats I have had on this diet in 11 months have been fruit and high carb

vegies. Other than that I have only touched processed food once - i had 2

teaspoons of a desert which had dairy and probably semollina or something like

that. That 2 teaspoons of desert gave me pimples for 2 months afterwards and I

had phlegm problems for about the same length of time! That might not seem like

much but to me that said that my body had to try extra hard to get rid of toxins

just from a tiny tiny cheat. Even cheating with fruit and high carb vegies isn't

worth it. I had fruit for two days at christmas time and that gave me pimples

and

phlegm for a month too. For me it's very frustrating to have set backs like

that. I would never plan to cheat, for me a cheat is usually something I do when

there is no real alternative. Just my opinion, you might not get pimples or

anything like that but it could set back your progress in some other subtle way.

If you do cheat perhaps try and cheat at least with things that are still foods

and not something as processed and sugar filled as a hamburger! Just my opinion

of course! Maybe you can get away with it easier than I.

Cheers,

Cara

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[Guest guest]

Sorry... in the future, I won't discuss cheats much at all. I realize

some people have a hard time with cravings and setbacks, and it would

be possible for me to fall into that category if I weren't

careful. " There but by the grace of God go I... " or something like

that, right?

My belly is a little bloated tonight, but I feel alright I suppose.

I was just curious about the question... is one small cheat just about

the same candida-wise as a big cheat. You know? I'm not trying to

rationalize or anything like that. I know all cheats are a bad thing,

and the less I cheat, the sooner I'll recover. I'm definitely staying

away from heavy sweets and major cheats that would do nothing but

sabotage what I'm trying to do.

Doug

[Guest guest]

Hi Doug,

No need to be sorry! I don't see any harm discussing these things which is why I

was sharing my experience. From my experience yes there is a difference between

a

small cheat and a big one. When I had 2 strawberries I had an immediate reaction

but I was fine the next day. When I gorged for 2-3 days straight on fruit at

christmas I had pimples and phlegm for a long time after so in my opinion yes

there is a difference between a small and large cheat

Cheers,

Cara

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[Guest guest]

Makes sense. I believe strawberries must be one of the worst foods

for candida. Last spring/summer, Marina and I would go to a strawberry

field and pick buckets full of them, and gorge ourselves when we got

home. I would feel so fatigued and moody afterwards... like it was

hard to even hold my arms up.

But I sure look forward to getting better some day, so I can eat them

again (in a little more moderation!)

Doug

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> Hi Doug,

> No need to be sorry! I don't see any harm discussing these things

which is why I

> was sharing my experience. From my experience yes there is a

difference between a

> small cheat and a big one.

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi Doug,

> No need to be sorry! I don't see any harm discussing these things >

>

> Hey, Doug: For me how much cheating hurts is a confusing issue. I

have been experimenting with the enzymes that came out recently that

can now break down gluten and casein (along with fats, protein, etc.)

after I read that the autistic kids were able to eat all the foods they

were intolerant to with this new enzyme.

After many small tests, (with everything but sugar) it turned out to

be true. No more symptoms as long as you take it with the meal. So

that means that what we feel when we go off our diet is not yeast

blooming, but our yeast-compromised guts not tolerating food. So that

means there is no way to tell what the damage is since the pain isn't

directly related to yeast blooming. So how can we tell what it's doing

to us silently?

My husband's family is Russian too, and I went to my first Russian

Easter since Bee's program. I took one look at the table and couldn't

handle it and I had to pretend to be sick and just eat scrambled eggs

for dinner. Wow, those Russians can really cook! Joanna

[Guest guest]

Here is my experience and it did not start off as a cheat. I decided

to start experimenting with adding foods to my diet since MRH ran out

of coconut oil in March and my order was delayed by almost two weeks.

I finally ran out and did not want to get a small expensive jar at the

health food store. I was so scared of what might happen to me because

I could not take my coconut oil but finally just 'let it go' and

started eating a few new items slowly.

I was scared that I would get so hungry because I was not getting all

my oil that I decided I would try to add some carbs back in. Funnily

enough, strawberries were one of the first things I had. Just one or

two small berries after breakfast. No problems or reactions at all. I

have now worked my way up to a small apple a day and a slice a

sprouted grain bread. Carrots, beans, nuts, pineapple, mango and

cheese plus a dozen other things. I have not had sugar'cravings'

either and have kept my portions small if I do have something. I have

not had any processed food either. I really tested myself when I had a

small Cuban sandwich - one of my favorite things. Felt fine. The thing

I missed most has been vanilla ice cream. So I made a batch with all

organic ingredients and agave nectar as the sugar.

I have been feeling better than ever now. My stools have returned to

normal. I still take all my supplements and basically stick to the

diet. So am I cured of Candida? - I have no idea. Feel like I'm in

limbo but I know that I will always eat sensibly now and never touch

processed foods again. Would love advice from anyone who has

transitioned off the diet please.

My point, as mentioned before, everyone is different so you have to

judge for yourself and you won't know if you have a reaction until you

try something. For me, part of it was fear and a self fulfilling

prophecy that I would feel horrible if ate something 'new'. Well, you

betcha I did feel horrible. When I was able to let that fear go. I

started getting better. When I started eating a few carbs I would

literally just sit there and wait for the 'bad' reaction to come to

me. How stupid. Now I just get on with my life. Maybe I've become more

enlightened after reading A New Earth. LOL.

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[Guest guest]

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> I started doing a weekly cheat, as I can handle the cravings. (Some

> weeks I don't cheat too.)

Doug, this is what I do when I want to " cheat a little " . I go to the

web page, Nutrtion Data http://www.nutritiondata.com/

and look up how much sugar and carbohydrates are in the cheat food.

You can compare the grams of sugar and carbs in a hamburger, fries,

etc. with what is in a chocolate candy. By the time I read results, I

have usually decided it isn't worth it to ingest that much sugar/carbs

and to continue feeding the candida.

Some of us cheat a little sometimes. Check Nutrition Data, and at

least you will know how much you are cheating and that will help you

decide if it is worth it or not.

kathleen

[Guest guest]

How long were you on the diet 100% prior to going off?

In my case, (and most others I'm sure), it's not related to fear. I

didn't fear strawberries when I had bad reactions to them. And fear

didn't give me that bloated belly you can see in the photo files (but

the bloat is gone now). I'm wary of any New Age book that promises

much more than it can deliver. Although I do agree the mind is

capable of convincing us about many things!

I dont' know if candida is my problem, or if it's " chronic fatigue "

and high EBV numbers. Right now, it seems more than plausible to me

that it's all related to a weak immune system, and I'm going ahead

with that plan of action.

I do know that if I started eating like I was eating before that I

would bloat up just like before, and end up feeling worse and worse

every year for the rest of my life. And it wouldn't be because I

hadn't read the correct book and had the wrong attitude.

Doug

[Guest guest]

I've been on the diet since last Nov. Prior to that I had cut out all

carbs, sugar, caffeine, processed foods etc. since June. So almost 1

year of 'clean' eating.

Sorry - you misunderstood my book reference too. I was making a joke:)

But... this book has help me a lot in other areas of my life. I read a

lot of books (being so sick and stuck at home that I have not been

able to work) and this is only one of a handful of books that has

actually 'helped me' and I will always refer back to it. Anyway -

Where have you been? A New Earth has become nothing short of a

phenomenon - thanks in part to Oprah.

I was speaking specifically about what was happening to ME with food

issues and my fears about going on and off the diet. For months now, I

have been so afraid of what would happen if even a crumb of the

'wrong' food would send me back to square one. Well,for me, having

that attitude was making me MORE sick than actually eating the bloody

food. I was feeling so bad before and only in the last month or so

have I started to pull many pieces together.

For me, it has been a unique combination of things that made me 'sick'

including my attitude. Just like your situation is totally different

from anyone else's. I never had bloating or half the symptoms that I

hear about on this board but tons of similarities exist as well. You

will have to find what level of cheat works for you, if you must. I

did not cheat at all cuz I was so afraid to. Like I said in my post

before that I finally felt it was OK for me to try some new items and

luckily for me so far I have been fine.

Glad you don't have some of the 'psychological' problems that I am

having with being ill. I strongly believe in the mind/body connection.

Prior to last year, I was always healthy, so being sick was just not

something that I was used to. It messes with your mind. I never get

colds but I was getting a lot of UTI's. The several rounds of

antibiotics and the Pill for the last 6 or so years is what caused my

immune system to pack up.

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> How long were you on the diet 100% prior to going off?

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[Guest guest]

My problem with cheating is when I cheat I feel great, maybe a little slow in

that I can gain up to 12 pounds in one day, but other than that I feel find and

sometimes even better that I do when I stay on the program for weeks at a time.

Sometimes my muscles get a little sore for sitting and other minor toxic

reactions but by in large I fell fine

Bob

Doug <organizer777@...> wrote:

How long were you on the diet 100% prior to going off?

In my case, (and most others I'm sure), it's not related to fear. I

didn't fear strawberries when I had bad reactions to them. And fear

didn't give me that bloated belly you can see in the photo files (but

the bloat is gone now). I'm wary of any New Age book that promises

much more than it can deliver. Although I do agree the mind is

capable of convincing us about many things!

I dont' know if candida is my problem, or if it's " chronic fatigue "

and high EBV numbers. Right now, it seems more than plausible to me

that it's all related to a weak immune system, and I'm going ahead

with that plan of action.

I do know that if I started eating like I was eating before that I

would bloat up just like before, and end up feeling worse and worse

every year for the rest of my life. And it wouldn't be because I

hadn't read the correct book and had the wrong attitude.

Doug

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[Guest guest]

Doug, small cheats do have fewer consequences than big cheats, for

the simple reason there are less toxins for the body to deal with.

Bee

>

> Sorry... in the future, I won't discuss cheats much at all. I

realize

> some people have a hard time with cravings and setbacks, and it

would

> be possible for me to fall into that category if I weren't

> careful. " There but by the grace of God go I... " or something like

> that, right?

>

> My belly is a little bloated tonight, but I feel alright I

suppose.

>

> I was just curious about the question... is one small cheat just

about

> the same candida-wise as a big cheat. You know? I'm not trying to

> rationalize or anything like that. I know all cheats are a bad

thing,

> and the less I cheat, the sooner I'll recover. I'm definitely

staying

> away from heavy sweets and major cheats that would do nothing but

> sabotage what I'm trying to do.

>

> Doug