ANA LEVELS

[Guest guest]

Hey groupd its me again, I am a jumble of nerves here waiting to

leave for the airport ahhhhhh. Thought I would just write to ask if

any of you guys know your ana levels or if you have been checked for

this and if any of you have high ones if you know the numbers or what

kind of treatment you are doing for it.

Mine came back elevated but even as high as it sounds to me at 1:640

it apparently isn't as high as would be expected in Lupus.

Patty it is interesting that we have such similiar symptoms yet labs

that are different, like you have the RF that is up and I have this

ana thing, it all has to be the same source, thats a pretty apparent

thing to me.

For along time I fought this, and denied it, even after my explant

when I didn't miraculously get well right away I started complaining

that it wasn't the implants, well now I would say I am about 99%

positive it had to have been, I am not saying that 100% but I do

believe they just wreak havoc on immune systems and that the

incidences are higher than we even think, from cc to autoimmune

issues implants are problematic and in the long term I think a realy

high number of women are being or are going to be harmed by them. I

believe allot of women don't even know they are messed up from the

implants, and on and on...I am rambling here so I will go.

Again I am interested in the ana thing so if anyone has any answers

to that one let me know.

[Guest guest]

> Patty it is interesting that we have such similiar symptoms yet labs

> that are different, like you have the RF that is up and I have this

> ana thing, it all has to be the same source, thats a pretty apparent

> thing to me.

HI ,

You know, I never really paid attention to my ANA levels...and apparently I

didn't need to. I just looked at my blood test from the first time I did it,

and it was negative. It was never tested again. But my rheumatoid factor

was the only thing that was out of whack, along with my lowered C3

complement, and " morphology " instead of saying normal, said " macrocytosis " .

I got an interesting letter from Carolyn Bormann, ND. FINALLY, an

explanation about the C3 Complement! Here are parts of her letter that are

illuminating. I haven't decided what to do yet, but I CAN say that I have

been feeling WONDERFUL lately, and I think it is because of all the

anti-virals and herbs I am taking now.

<(Patty) Question: When you say " aggressive " regimen, what does this

entail?>

(DR. : I can only give you generalities. We don't do cookbook medicine,

natural or otherwise. I can't tell you

exactly what we'd do without a history and consultation and diagnostics.

Generally, however, after a consultation and history, the first step is

to get good diagnostics so we know what " hits " your immune system is

dealing with. Classic & Stealth Microbial infections (Viral,Fungal,

Bacterial, Mycoplasmal, L-Forms, etc.), Chemical, Electrical, Mineral.

Organ detox & function status..Gastrointestinal, Bowels, Liver, Kidneys,

Lymphatics. Active Hormone Tissue Levels (saliva) and Thyroid

conversion, etc.

<How do you test for the stealth virus, or mycobacteria? >

These are

blood serum tests which are cultured over time. It usually takes 2-3

weeks to get results. I use several labs including Dr.Mattman,

Dr.Knox's, AAL, etc. They're not cheap tests ... the diagnostics for a

patient like you sometimes can run into the hundreds of dollars and

because they're research based tests, they're not covered by insurance

usually (non-medicared coded).

Once all this prep work is done and we know the status of your detox

ability, toxin load, etc. we start the customized

" blitzkreig " ...aggressive therapy to get some fast reduction of loads so

your immune system can recover. However, before we can do this, we have

to get rid of the feeding grounds...Have you had your implants out

yet? Until you do, it's going to be a very hard battle...and most

therapies will have very limited benefit.

This is a customized treatment program in phases. You don't just go in

and start killing bugs...the bugs are there feeding on something and we

have to remove their food supply or it does no good...(when a

compromised patient like yourself has been contaminated with cysplatinum

(a reagent which is a chemotherapy drug present in ALL implants), it

destroys your immune system slowly over time and makes you very

susceptible to this opportunistic stuff...

< I also have a lowered C3 Complement, and have not found ANY doctor so

far to give me a clear answer on what THAT means.>

Well, you've never met anyone like me...I love to teach my

patients...we're a team...I can't heal anyone...only God combined with

your body and spirit and will can and I'm just an info. partner and

facilitator...

Class is in Session . . . Complement C3 is a gut (endothelial lining)

metabolic tissue enzyme (C3 Convertase) activated by polysaccharides

(grains & fungi / yeast specifically)... that has to do with

inactivating the proinflammatory toxins of infectious agents &

endotoxins that hit the gut lining like bacteria, virus', etc. The

pathway is triggered by complex polysaccharides, including endotoxin

(direct product of the implants). Decreased levels are noted in some

cases of autoimmune anemia, sickle cell disease, bacteremia, nephrosis,

and nephritis, rheumatoid A., lupus, Sjorgens, Candiadiasis and other

fungal infections. The C3 is probably tied to your rheumatoid factor

elevation which is from viral and fungal infection inflammatory

byproducts most likely and allergies. Have you also had any vaccines

including tetnus, since this started?...what about in the hospital

during surgery? Kidneys are commonly affected also...which affects

adrenals and heart function, etc.

The reason C3 is elevated in patients like yourself is that you're

immune system has been tremendously damaged by several events both

traumatic and chronic....endotoxic agents from the implants (cisplatinum

is a synthetic mineral and a chemo drug used to this day as a reagent in

the manufacture of the sacs...it's what is killing women much more than

silicone). You were probably given massive i.v. antibiotics during and

after surgery (it's common medical practice in surgeries ) which also

reduces your immunocompetence through destruction of protective good gut

bacteria...and then overgrowth of these yeasts damages and depletes your

C3 enzymes... it's not permanent but reversible once the immune system

can recover after the reduction and removal of the insulting agents and

procedures...

Well, there's alot more I can probably help you with and teach you but

I can't go into here since you're not a patient and its extremely time

intensive. If you want to contract my services, I'll be glad to help

any way I can...feel free to go to my webpage and click on the

Appointment link and go from there.

http://www.arrowheadhealthworks.com/

God Bless you in your quest for wellness...I hope we can work together.

Carolyn Bormann, N.D.,C.P.

*********

[Guest guest]

This is very interesting indeed and right along the lines of what the

healer in Idaho told me. I have been having some major flares the

last two days, I called my husband and he called the healer lady and

she said it is most likely the toxins coming out of my system since I

started the immunoplex supplements and that I may need to decrease my

doses. I am frustrated by this big time.

I spoke with a Dr friend of mine and he told me some people with

lupus or lupus like symptoms get swelling in the brain, that is

scarey .....geeze.

I am having a real tough time right now being alone and having much

to do before I can pack up my life here and be with my husband. He is

the best, I am so lucky to have found him. He is so supportive of me

and that is hard to find, even without all these issues.

I believe that your on the right track Patty and I thank god everyday

that I did what I had to do and got the implants out, even though

there are times when I feel like I am so sick again and what was the

use of taking them out, I know eventually at least I have a chance at

getting well and that it may take time but with the implants in I am

sure I would have been like this forever, I also know that I probably

should have had them out even sooner because they really damaged me.

I don't know why it happened so fast to me. I will never have all the

answers, that much is for sure.

In @y..., " Patty " <faussettdp@m...> wrote:

> > Patty it is interesting that we have such similiar symptoms yet

labs

> > that are different, like you have the RF that is up and I have

this

> > ana thing, it all has to be the same source, thats a pretty

apparent

> > thing to me.

>

> HI ,

> You know, I never really paid attention to my ANA levels...and

apparently I

> didn't need to. I just looked at my blood test from the first time

I did it,

> and it was negative. It was never tested again. But my rheumatoid

factor

> was the only thing that was out of whack, along with my lowered C3

> complement, and " morphology " instead of saying normal,

said " macrocytosis " .

>

> I got an interesting letter from Carolyn Bormann, ND. FINALLY, an

> explanation about the C3 Complement! Here are parts of her letter

that are

> illuminating. I haven't decided what to do yet, but I CAN say that

I have

> been feeling WONDERFUL lately, and I think it is because of all the

> anti-virals and herbs I am taking now.

>

> <(Patty) Question: When you say " aggressive " regimen, what does this

> entail?>

>

> (DR. : I can only give you generalities. We don't do cookbook

medicine,

> natural or otherwise. I can't tell you

> exactly what we'd do without a history and consultation and

diagnostics.

>

> Generally, however, after a consultation and history, the first

step is

> to get good diagnostics so we know what " hits " your immune system is

> dealing with. Classic & Stealth Microbial infections (Viral,Fungal,

> Bacterial, Mycoplasmal, L-Forms, etc.), Chemical, Electrical,

Mineral.

> Organ detox & function status..Gastrointestinal, Bowels, Liver,

Kidneys,

> Lymphatics. Active Hormone Tissue Levels (saliva) and Thyroid

> conversion, etc.

>

> <How do you test for the stealth virus, or mycobacteria? >

>

> These are

> blood serum tests which are cultured over time. It usually takes 2-

3

> weeks to get results. I use several labs including Dr.Mattman,

> Dr.Knox's, AAL, etc. They're not cheap tests ... the diagnostics

for a

> patient like you sometimes can run into the hundreds of dollars and

> because they're research based tests, they're not covered by

insurance

> usually (non-medicared coded).

>

> Once all this prep work is done and we know the status of your detox

> ability, toxin load, etc. we start the customized

> " blitzkreig " ...aggressive therapy to get some fast reduction of

loads so

> your immune system can recover. However, before we can do this, we

have

> to get rid of the feeding grounds...Have you had your implants out

> yet? Until you do, it's going to be a very hard battle...and most

> therapies will have very limited benefit.

>

> This is a customized treatment program in phases. You don't just go

in

> and start killing bugs...the bugs are there feeding on something

and we

> have to remove their food supply or it does no good...(when a

> compromised patient like yourself has been contaminated with

cysplatinum

> (a reagent which is a chemotherapy drug present in ALL implants), it

> destroys your immune system slowly over time and makes you very

> susceptible to this opportunistic stuff...

>

> < I also have a lowered C3 Complement, and have not found ANY

doctor so

> far to give me a clear answer on what THAT means.>

>

> Well, you've never met anyone like me...I love to teach my

> patients...we're a team...I can't heal anyone...only God combined

with

> your body and spirit and will can and I'm just an info. partner and

> facilitator...

>

> Class is in Session . . . Complement C3 is a gut (endothelial

lining)

> metabolic tissue enzyme (C3 Convertase) activated by polysaccharides

> (grains & fungi / yeast specifically)... that has to do with

> inactivating the proinflammatory toxins of infectious agents &

> endotoxins that hit the gut lining like bacteria, virus', etc. The

> pathway is triggered by complex polysaccharides, including endotoxin

> (direct product of the implants). Decreased levels are noted in some

> cases of autoimmune anemia, sickle cell disease, bacteremia,

nephrosis,

> and nephritis, rheumatoid A., lupus, Sjorgens, Candiadiasis and

other

> fungal infections. The C3 is probably tied to your rheumatoid

factor

> elevation which is from viral and fungal infection inflammatory

> byproducts most likely and allergies. Have you also had any

vaccines

> including tetnus, since this started?...what about in the hospital

> during surgery? Kidneys are commonly affected also...which affects

> adrenals and heart function, etc.

>

> The reason C3 is elevated in patients like yourself is that you're

> immune system has been tremendously damaged by several events both

> traumatic and chronic....endotoxic agents from the implants

(cisplatinum

> is a synthetic mineral and a chemo drug used to this day as a

reagent in

> the manufacture of the sacs...it's what is killing women much more

than

> silicone). You were probably given massive i.v. antibiotics during

and

> after surgery (it's common medical practice in surgeries ) which

also

> reduces your immunocompetence through destruction of protective

good gut

> bacteria...and then overgrowth of these yeasts damages and depletes

your

> C3 enzymes... it's not permanent but reversible once the immune

system

> can recover after the reduction and removal of the insulting agents

and

> procedures...

>

> Well, there's alot more I can probably help you with and teach you

but

> I can't go into here since you're not a patient and its extremely

time

> intensive. If you want to contract my services, I'll be glad to

help

> any way I can...feel free to go to my webpage and click on the

> Appointment link and go from there.

> http://www.arrowheadhealthworks.com/

>

> God Bless you in your quest for wellness...I hope we can work

together.

>

> Carolyn Bormann, N.D.,C.P.

> *********

[Guest guest]

My ANA is elevated too. Are you on any meds? I am taking Plaquenil for a year

now. It has brought huge relief.

tickmeister1 <wtptoo@...> wrote:

Has anyone else experienced when their ANA levels are low they feel

terrible and have bad symptoms of the autoimmune illness such as

inflammation, pain and skin symptoms? Yet when the ANA is sky high

they feel better? I am going through this now where my ANA is reading

negative currently, but when it was over 2,000 I felt much better and

was able to be more active and have lower pain level.

This is crazy. I do not understand what is going on.

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