Hello All

[Guest guest]

Hi everyone,

I don't know where the time has gone but when I logged on to find that I had

99 e-mails waiting for me I got the sense that its been a " few " days.

Welcome to all the new members! As Charlie mentioned, the past week or two

has been very busy for me in addition to the fact that I took Elliot to his

new Dr. and have been trying to regroup with his meds. Deep down, I feel we

made the right decision in changing at this time but change is scary too.

Elliot had been down to 1.5mg prednisne when he had his recent flare and we

went up to 9 daily. His new Dr. is a big advocate for alternate day steroids

and that was first on her agends. While I know of the benefits of alt. day

therapy, I was sad to have to go up to 25mg ( even though it is every other

day) The Dr. said that when the body is used to daily you can't just double

the dose. We tapered on the " off " day pretty quickly from 9 to 6 to 3 to 0.

I'm happy to say that it went o.k. otherwise we may have had to go even

higher and taper the " off " day slower. Actually by the night of the off day

Elliot was complaining of ankle pain ( but manageable) I spoke with the ped

rheum today and we discussed giving more naproxen on the off day and less on

the steroid day. This was very much the philosophy of our first Dr- Jerry

s. We also checked his mtx levels and cyclosporine levels and while they

were fine , she still recommends switching to injection of mtx for better

absorption( and because he was somewhat symptomatic) Elliot has lost some

wrist extention and while that hasn't affected his function the Dr has

recommended O.T. and that we make resting splints for Elliot for night so he

doesn't lose any more range of motion. As we get settled with the steroids we

will taper off Enbrel as it has not offered any improvement to Elliot.

Sorry to just ramble but I thought I would catch up. Oh! I shouldn't forget

the most important advantage in our new ped rheum.... Elliot is very

pleased that they have action figures in the waiting room- what more could

you ask for?

Rena

[Guest guest]

Hi Rena,

Thanks for explaining all the details on how you were able to get Elliot

from daily steroids to every other day dosing. Very interesting. I

thought you'd just double up and not give on the other day. So, you

stayed on the current level for the off day for how long, before quickly

decreasing it? And all he complained about was some pain in his ankle,

but not too bad? That sounds great! Have you increased the dose of

Naproxen on the off days? Oooh, just thinking about all this makes me

feel a little nervous. Still, it would be good if we could try it out

with Josh, too. It's been too long already, on daily dosing. Four years

and seven months. It's time for a change. And we don't have

the option of having a new doctor look him over, as there are only the

two in the entire state. They may be willing to give it a try if I start

pushing for it. We'll have to see how it goes.

I'm happy Elliot is pleased about the doctor's office having action

figures Gotta' keep the patients happy!

Take care,

Georgina

RenaPT@... wrote:

> Hi everyone,

> I don't know where the time has gone but when I logged on to find that I had

> 99 e-mails waiting for me I got the sense that its been a " few " days.

> Welcome to all the new members! As Charlie mentioned, the past week or two

> has been very busy for me in addition to the fact that I took Elliot to his

> new Dr. and have been trying to regroup with his meds. Deep down, I feel we

> made the right decision in changing at this time but change is scary too.

> Elliot had been down to 1.5mg prednisne when he had his recent flare and we

> went up to 9 daily. His new Dr. is a big advocate for alternate day steroids

> and that was first on her agends. While I know of the benefits of alt. day

> therapy, I was sad to have to go up to 25mg ( even though it is every other

> day) The Dr. said that when the body is used to daily you can't just double

> the dose. We tapered on the " off " day pretty quickly from 9 to 6 to 3 to 0.

> I'm happy to say that it went o.k. otherwise we may have had to go even

> higher and taper the " off " day slower. Actually by the night of the off day

> Elliot was complaining of ankle pain ( but manageable) I spoke with the ped

> rheum today and we discussed giving more naproxen on the off day and less on

> the steroid day. This was very much the philosophy of our first Dr- Jerry

> s. We also checked his mtx levels and cyclosporine levels and while they

> were fine , she still recommends switching to injection of mtx for better

> absorption( and because he was somewhat symptomatic) Elliot has lost some

> wrist extention and while that hasn't affected his function the Dr has

> recommended O.T. and that we make resting splints for Elliot for night so he

> doesn't lose any more range of motion. As we get settled with the steroids we

> will taper off Enbrel as it has not offered any improvement to Elliot.

> Sorry to just ramble but I thought I would catch up. Oh! I shouldn't forget

> the most important advantage in our new ped rheum.... Elliot is very

> pleased that they have action figures in the waiting room- what more could

> you ask for?

> Rena

[Guest guest]

Hi Jodi,

I haven't been online too much lately, myself. My children are still

home on their winter vacation and don't go back to school till next week

Tuesday. I'll be a more regular contributor to the list after then I

hope Jess is doing okay. Is the rash still there? Is that all that's

bothering her these days? How was your last visit to the rheumatologist?

Did they decide to make any changes in the treatment or keep things as

they are, with just the Naprosyn? When you have a chance, let us know

how it went and how your daughter's doing, okay?

Take care,

Georgina

Jodi Giffin wrote:

> I read all of your letters and am glad to know so many children are

> showing signs of improvement!! Jess had been doing well since she

> started improving the week of Thanksgiving. But, today she started in

> with the rash again!!! This is all so frustrating!! I call her rheumy

> and they are working her in tomorrow morning, so I imagine it will be

> most of the day with lab work, x-rays and such. Right now, the rash is

> all that's going on, she's still on naprosyn and I think that keeps her

> from the spiking fevers like when she was first diagnosed. We weren't

> supposed to go back until the 19th of Jan. and just for a check-up then,

> and if all was well were going to stop the naprosyn, but that wasn't

> meant to be I guess.

> As always all the children are in my thoughts and prayers, I just don't

> get to respond as much as I'd like, but I do read the letters as often

> as possible--tonight I had 32 to catch up on!! I'm glad we all have the

> support available to us, would just rather not have the reasons and need

> for this type of support! Thanks to all for being there for each

> other!!

> Jodi

[Guest guest]

We need you Lori as the grassroots originator of this effort, and all

Americans, to engage this issue full force in the weeks to come. Contact

your elected representatives and look out for the rights of the

servicemembers that protect you. This is a crucial time!

Sincerely,

Major L. " Buzz " Rempfer

[Guest guest]

Hi Georgina,

I was beginning to wonder if my letters just went out into space somewhere. I

don't know if Jess is doing o.k. or not. The rash returned on Jan. 3. Called

the rheumy that evening and she had us come down on the 4th. We went and of

course the rash was not as bad as the day before. We did the usual blood work

and that came back on Thurs. the 6th as all o.k. I am wondering if it was too

soon after the 'flare' started to knock her levels off??? She is still

rashy, low grade fevers, and fatigue. We are to go down again the 19th hope

to find out more then. The rheumy said again she isn't totally convinced it's

JRA. We've seen her partner once during the first flare Oct/Nov and he seemed

convinced of the diagnosis.

Jess likes the female partner better, so we usually see her. Last week she

did mention autoimmune hepatitis--this would also cause the rash and itching,

but liver levels then were also in the norm. Jess is still on the

Naprosyn--we added the Zyrtec last week when the rash reappeared, she told me

she switched to Hydroxyzine today as the itching was increasing.

I have a feeling that next week we will probably be back on Prednisone, she

will not be happy, as she gains weight, and that is devastating for a teen as

for all the kids. The rheumy says she questions the diagnosis because Jess

came out of the first flare in about 6 weeks. Everything was great from

Thanksgiving until the 3rd. She had some achiness in her wrists and the elbow

still 'popped' on occasion. Has anyone else had a short term flare like

this??? Sorry to ramble on so, just need the opinions of other JRA parents--I

think you guys know more than the Docs.

'Talk' to you all again soon!

Jodi

Georgina wrote:

> Hi Jodi,

>

> I haven't been online too much lately, myself. My children are still

> home on their winter vacation and don't go back to school till next week

> Tuesday. I'll be a more regular contributor to the list after then I

> hope Jess is doing okay. Is the rash still there? Is that all that's

> bothering her these days? How was your last visit to the rheumatologist?

> Did they decide to make any changes in the treatment or keep things as

> they are, with just the Naprosyn? When you have a chance, let us know

> how it went and how your daughter's doing, okay?

>

> Take care,

> Georgina

>

> Jodi Giffin wrote:

>

> > I read all of your letters and am glad to know so many children are

> > showing signs of improvement!! Jess had been doing well since she

> > started improving the week of Thanksgiving. But, today she started in

> > with the rash again!!! This is all so frustrating!! I call her rheumy

> > and they are working her in tomorrow morning, so I imagine it will be

> > most of the day with lab work, x-rays and such. Right now, the rash is

> > all that's going on, she's still on naprosyn and I think that keeps her

> > from the spiking fevers like when she was first diagnosed. We weren't

> > supposed to go back until the 19th of Jan. and just for a check-up then,

> > and if all was well were going to stop the naprosyn, but that wasn't

> > meant to be I guess.

> > As always all the children are in my thoughts and prayers, I just don't

> > get to respond as much as I'd like, but I do read the letters as often

> > as possible--tonight I had 32 to catch up on!! I'm glad we all have the

> > support available to us, would just rather not have the reasons and need

> > for this type of support! Thanks to all for being there for each

> > other!!

> > Jodi

>

> ---------------------------

[Guest guest]

Dear Jodi, Our daughter n, Age 11, gets an itchy rash every night.

She first got sick , a real bad sore throat and fever, in early August. She

got all better, and then 2 days later she had a terrible rash. Well the

doctors thought it was a virus and put her on steroids for 4 days. I

noticed that she was so tired with the rash. Anyway, the rash went away ,

and that was that. Or so we thought. On Oct. 30th , she came to us and

said she was itchy. So we brought her to the doctors, for we knew how bad

the rash could get, and again she went on steroids. I thought she must have

some type of allergy. The rash always started on her bottom. When we

finished the dose after four days, the rash came back. So we went to an

allergist. He then thought that it might be serum sickness, as she just had

a flu shot. It was hard for the doctors to see the rash because it only

came out in late afternoon. The allergist put her on zytec, which we have

found doesn't help the itching. Then she started with fevers off and on.

Then her legs started to hurt. A ped. rheumy was called in , and he said it

wasn't JRA for the rashes aren't supposed to itch. (What a bunch of bull

that is). By mid- November we couldn't get her fevers down and she really

hurt, and to make a long story short, she was diagnosed with Still's. Her

pain seems to travel around. Her legs will ache and sometimes her wrists

hurt. She had the fever for 35 days, and then it broke. She still gets the

rashes, but her energy is back to about 90% of normal. All along , the

doctors kept saying that she wasn't sick enough to have Still's. They said

that those kids are so sick and are in the hospital so long. She was in the

hospital for only a day for tests.

By the way, we have never found anything that really helps the itch. Some

nights she is covered with the rash, and some nights it is not bad at all.

We try to make sure that she gets plenty of rest. She is currently on

naprosyn. I hope this helps. If you have any questions, let me know.

in Portland

Re: [ ] Hello all

>From: Jodi Giffin <qltlady@...>

>

>Hi Georgina,

>I was beginning to wonder if my letters just went out into space somewhere.

I

>don't know if Jess is doing o.k. or not. The rash returned on Jan. 3.

Called

>the rheumy that evening and she had us come down on the 4th. We went and

of

>course the rash was not as bad as the day before. We did the usual blood

work

>and that came back on Thurs. the 6th as all o.k. I am wondering if it was

too

>soon after the 'flare' started to knock her levels off??? She is still

>rashy, low grade fevers, and fatigue. We are to go down again the 19th

hope

>to find out more then. The rheumy said again she isn't totally convinced

it's

>JRA. We've seen her partner once during the first flare Oct/Nov and he

seemed

>convinced of the diagnosis.

>Jess likes the female partner better, so we usually see her. Last week she

>did mention autoimmune hepatitis--this would also cause the rash and

itching,

>but liver levels then were also in the norm. Jess is still on the

>Naprosyn--we added the Zyrtec last week when the rash reappeared, she told

me

>she switched to Hydroxyzine today as the itching was increasing.

>I have a feeling that next week we will probably be back on Prednisone, she

>will not be happy, as she gains weight, and that is devastating for a teen

as

>for all the kids. The rheumy says she questions the diagnosis because Jess

>came out of the first flare in about 6 weeks. Everything was great from

>Thanksgiving until the 3rd. She had some achiness in her wrists and the

elbow

>still 'popped' on occasion. Has anyone else had a short term flare like

>this??? Sorry to ramble on so, just need the opinions of other JRA

parents--I

>think you guys know more than the Docs.

>'Talk' to you all again soon!

>Jodi

>

>Georgina wrote:

>

>> Hi Jodi,

>>

>> I haven't been online too much lately, myself. My children are still

>> home on their winter vacation and don't go back to school till next week

>> Tuesday. I'll be a more regular contributor to the list after then I

>> hope Jess is doing okay. Is the rash still there? Is that all that's

>> bothering her these days? How was your last visit to the rheumatologist?

>> Did they decide to make any changes in the treatment or keep things as

>> they are, with just the Naprosyn? When you have a chance, let us know

>> how it went and how your daughter's doing, okay?

>>

>> Take care,

>> Georgina

>>

>> Jodi Giffin wrote:

>>

>> > I read all of your letters and am glad to know so many children are

>> > showing signs of improvement!! Jess had been doing well since she

>> > started improving the week of Thanksgiving. But, today she started in

>> > with the rash again!!! This is all so frustrating!! I call her rheumy

>> > and they are working her in tomorrow morning, so I imagine it will be

>> > most of the day with lab work, x-rays and such. Right now, the rash is

>> > all that's going on, she's still on naprosyn and I think that keeps her

>> > from the spiking fevers like when she was first diagnosed. We weren't

>> > supposed to go back until the 19th of Jan. and just for a check-up

then,

>> > and if all was well were going to stop the naprosyn, but that wasn't

>> > meant to be I guess.

>> > As always all the children are in my thoughts and prayers, I just don't

>> > get to respond as much as I'd like, but I do read the letters as often

>> > as possible--tonight I had 32 to catch up on!! I'm glad we all have

the

>> > support available to us, would just rather not have the reasons and

need

>> > for this type of support! Thanks to all for being there for each

>> > other!!

>> > Jodi

>>

>> ---------------------------

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Thanks for the info on n. Her symptoms sound almost identical to Jess'.

We have found the zyrtec doesn't completely take care of the itch, but is much

better when she's taking it. We also have tried Aveeno dry skin lotion and that

has seemed to help some also. Her rashes also fade in the morning, just a

shadow, but by midafternoon they are back with a vengeance!! Hers also seem to

be worse on the bottom, and her thighs also. Hasn't been on her neck, and face

the way it was in the beginning. The hydroxyzine seems to help more, but causes

more drowsiness than the zyrtec, and she's already so tired. But she had to

start on that yesterday. Midterms are next week, I just hope she can keep up

her stamina and get through them. It is a blessing she won't have school

Monday, but Wed. will be a long day for her, exams in the morning, and then the

drive to the dr. appt. and getting through the appt. itself.

Nice talking to you!!

Jodi

WILLIAM PRICE wrote:

> From: " WILLIAM PRICE " <william.e.price@...>

>

> Dear Jodi, Our daughter n, Age 11, gets an itchy rash every night.

> She first got sick , a real bad sore throat and fever, in early August. She

> got all better, and then 2 days later she had a terrible rash. Well the

> doctors thought it was a virus and put her on steroids for 4 days. I

> noticed that she was so tired with the rash. Anyway, the rash went away ,

> and that was that. Or so we thought. On Oct. 30th , she came to us and

> said she was itchy. So we brought her to the doctors, for we knew how bad

> the rash could get, and again she went on steroids. I thought she must have

> some type of allergy. The rash always started on her bottom. When we

> finished the dose after four days, the rash came back. So we went to an

> allergist. He then thought that it might be serum sickness, as she just had

> a flu shot. It was hard for the doctors to see the rash because it only

> came out in late afternoon. The allergist put her on zytec, which we have

> found doesn't help the itching. Then she started with fevers off and on.

> Then her legs started to hurt. A ped. rheumy was called in , and he said it

> wasn't JRA for the rashes aren't supposed to itch. (What a bunch of bull

> that is). By mid- November we couldn't get her fevers down and she really

> hurt, and to make a long story short, she was diagnosed with Still's. Her

> pain seems to travel around. Her legs will ache and sometimes her wrists

> hurt. She had the fever for 35 days, and then it broke. She still gets the

> rashes, but her energy is back to about 90% of normal. All along , the

> doctors kept saying that she wasn't sick enough to have Still's. They said

> that those kids are so sick and are in the hospital so long. She was in the

> hospital for only a day for tests.

> By the way, we have never found anything that really helps the itch. Some

> nights she is covered with the rash, and some nights it is not bad at all.

> We try to make sure that she gets plenty of rest. She is currently on

> naprosyn. I hope this helps. If you have any questions, let me know.

> in Portland

> Re: [ ] Hello all

>

> >From: Jodi Giffin <qltlady@...>

> >

> >Hi Georgina,

> >I was beginning to wonder if my letters just went out into space somewhere.

> I

> >don't know if Jess is doing o.k. or not. The rash returned on Jan. 3.

> Called

> >the rheumy that evening and she had us come down on the 4th. We went and

> of

> >course the rash was not as bad as the day before. We did the usual blood

> work

> >and that came back on Thurs. the 6th as all o.k. I am wondering if it was

> too

> >soon after the 'flare' started to knock her levels off??? She is still

> >rashy, low grade fevers, and fatigue. We are to go down again the 19th

> hope

> >to find out more then. The rheumy said again she isn't totally convinced

> it's

> >JRA. We've seen her partner once during the first flare Oct/Nov and he

> seemed

> >convinced of the diagnosis.

> >Jess likes the female partner better, so we usually see her. Last week she

> >did mention autoimmune hepatitis--this would also cause the rash and

> itching,

> >but liver levels then were also in the norm. Jess is still on the

> >Naprosyn--we added the Zyrtec last week when the rash reappeared, she told

> me

> >she switched to Hydroxyzine today as the itching was increasing.

> >I have a feeling that next week we will probably be back on Prednisone, she

> >will not be happy, as she gains weight, and that is devastating for a teen

> as

> >for all the kids. The rheumy says she questions the diagnosis because Jess

> >came out of the first flare in about 6 weeks. Everything was great from

> >Thanksgiving until the 3rd. She had some achiness in her wrists and the

> elbow

> >still 'popped' on occasion. Has anyone else had a short term flare like

> >this??? Sorry to ramble on so, just need the opinions of other JRA

> parents--I

> >think you guys know more than the Docs.

> >'Talk' to you all again soon!

> >Jodi

> >

> >Georgina wrote:

> >

> >> Hi Jodi,

> >>

> >> I haven't been online too much lately, myself. My children are still

> >> home on their winter vacation and don't go back to school till next week

> >> Tuesday. I'll be a more regular contributor to the list after then I

> >> hope Jess is doing okay. Is the rash still there? Is that all that's

> >> bothering her these days? How was your last visit to the rheumatologist?

> >> Did they decide to make any changes in the treatment or keep things as

> >> they are, with just the Naprosyn? When you have a chance, let us know

> >> how it went and how your daughter's doing, okay?

> >>

> >> Take care,

> >> Georgina

> >>

> >> Jodi Giffin wrote:

> >>

> >> > I read all of your letters and am glad to know so many children are

> >> > showing signs of improvement!! Jess had been doing well since she

> >> > started improving the week of Thanksgiving. But, today she started in

> >> > with the rash again!!! This is all so frustrating!! I call her rheumy

> >> > and they are working her in tomorrow morning, so I imagine it will be

> >> > most of the day with lab work, x-rays and such. Right now, the rash is

> >> > all that's going on, she's still on naprosyn and I think that keeps her

> >> > from the spiking fevers like when she was first diagnosed. We weren't

> >> > supposed to go back until the 19th of Jan. and just for a check-up

> then,

> >> > and if all was well were going to stop the naprosyn, but that wasn't

> >> > meant to be I guess.

> >> > As always all the children are in my thoughts and prayers, I just don't

> >> > get to respond as much as I'd like, but I do read the letters as often

> >> > as possible--tonight I had 32 to catch up on!! I'm glad we all have

> the

> >> > support available to us, would just rather not have the reasons and

> need

> >> > for this type of support! Thanks to all for being there for each

> >> > other!!

> >> > Jodi

> >>

> >> ---------------------------

[Guest guest]

Welcome , I am an ex-teacher and stress was key in both of my CFIDS

onsets (26 yrs apart). I'm well on recovery (but tolerating zero 'voluntary'

stress - finally learnt my lesson, and extremely fortunate to have the

circumstances to be able to walk away from any if I need to).

Just before (4 weeks) my last onset, I was showing signs of a relapse and tried

to ease the pressure - but was unable to do it fast enough so I awoke my morning

with a heavy onset (the day before I have walked a crisp 5 miles,suddenly I

could not walk 500 feet) - that was a year ago, and I am still recovering (on

antibiotics for 5 months so far). De-stress as much as you can, if you are

pushed over the borderline than it is a big step down and a very slow crawl

back.

I would suggest that you arrange to have the ISAC Panel

(http://www.hemex.com/cfs/ ) and PCR mycoplasma testing soon. If you are

positive for both, I would suggest doing the ISAC treatment (because of you

working full time) - I assume that you have the summers off. If so, and if you

are positive for chronic mycoplasma infection, then starting antibiotics for it

at the start of summer would be a wise decision.

In terms of short term (and not knowing what your test results are,if any, but

assuming 'typical cfs'), I would recommend two supplements to your diet:

Bromelain (with each meal)

and

Olive Leaf Extract (take after work only at first - you may herx from it)

The two of them may buy you some time -- we are using both of them as

preventative supplements for our two daughters, and they have had significant

effect. We (my wife and I) are also using them as part of our treatment

protocol.

Hope that helps and take care.

Ken Lassesen

2 @ 2 ft PWC, 2 @ 4ft PWC

2 ft PWC: http://www.folkarts.com/idef/

4 ft PWC: http://corgi.folkarts.com/

Fax: (520) 832-6836 ICQ #: 2122097 (Netmeeting too)

----- Original Message -----

From: B.

cfsFMExperimentalonelist

My SO and I are getting married this coming May and that has added some

stress. There is also more stress from work because i have been the person

responblible for getting enough documentation to convince the school district to

fire a very incompetent and even disruptive Teaching Assistant. This time, my

body first responded to this extra stress with daily migraines, and now I am

feeling the effects through my CFS symptoms, difficulty thinking, weak muscles,

painfuly lymph nodes, and exhaustion. My sleep is no longer enough.

I only have one week until spring break, though. One more week, and then I

can sleep, sleep, sleep, and hopefully get back to where I was before.

Well, this is probably more than you needed to know. I just wanted to

introduce myself.

[Guest guest]

I the herx from OLE time limited -- does it last 4 or five hours or all

day?

Steve

Ken Lassesen wrote:

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[Guest guest]

For me, about 3-4 hrs... but remember the mathematics of herxing...

type of toxins is determined by the species of bacteria

quantity killed is determined by the species and the antibacterial

degree of herxing is likely influenced by blood flow factors and other drugs

(like anti-histamines) and, of course, sensistivity to the specific toxins

released.

net change in the mass of bacteria in your body is determined by the number

born and the number killed/died (some antibiotics interfer with reproduction

only, others have no effect on reproduction but kills the bacteria directly)

So Herxing will vary greatly from person to person - including the duration

(days, weeks, months or years)

Ken Lassesen

2 @ 2 ft PWC, 2 @ 4ft PWC

2 ft PWC: http://www.folkarts.com/idef/

4 ft PWC: http://corgi.folkarts.com/

Fax: (520) 832-6836 ICQ #: 2122097 (Netmeeting too)

----- Original Message -----

From: Dr. Steve

I the herx from OLE time limited -- does it last 4 or five hours or all

day?

Steve

[Guest guest]

I've read (from a few sources) that if you take

Selenium it helps the T4 convert to T3 as well as help the

blood system absorb the T3. So, I now take a selenium

with my synthyroid....I also have to be on the VERY

low end on the TSH range to feel good. It took awhile

for my doctor to grasp that....most doctors just want

you in the 'range'.<br><br>With all that said...I am

still not a bundle of energy....I wish I had the

answer. Maybe someone else can offer their 'fix'.

<br><br>Bev

[Guest guest]

Thank you... I will look into that...<br><br>susan

[Guest guest]

,<br><br>I would like to know too! I have a

four year old with ADHD, and I lost my job, and going

to school full time (Since I am out on Unemployment,

and I get grants that pays for everything! Thank

GOD!)<br><br>I have tried all the B vitamins and everything. I

had Mono when I was 21, and I also have Mitral Valve

Prolapse, that can also make you tired. Being a SIngle

Mother, I never have the energy I had before, what do I

need to do, to keep stress down, and not to worry

about the stupid stuff, like my ex and his wife??

[Guest guest]

Hello,.. I have found that if I can keep my self

busy ,. doing yard work,. & lt;gardening & gt;,.

cleaning,. & lt;yeah I know yuck & gt;.. crafting,. reading,. even

listening to music,. when I start to feel stressed out it

helps me tremendously,. as for the your ex and his

wife,. I know that feeling,. but then again,. my ex and

his wife are 3000 miles away from me,. if you feel

yourself begin to get tense,. and uptight when talking to

them,. try deep cleansing breathing,. shake your arms

loosely at your sides while doing this,. it has helped

me,. I have even told some of my friends what I do,.

and they have tried it and it has helped them,.

Stress is never good,.and I do everything I can to avoid

it as much as possible, You just need to keep your

mind occupied,. and yourself busy,. or relaxed,.. & lt;I

know it doesnt help when your tired all the time,. but

you have to try & gt;<br><br>

[Guest guest]

Sometimes I think my son watches Disney movies

too much! BLues Clues too! I am beat and that is what

I do until I get some energy!<br><br>IS that so

bad???<br><br>My son loves me and he seems to understand, but I

feel guilty, and wonder if my ex (well his wife) will

be watching him if he gets full custody, because she

can't work. It isn't fair!

HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<br><br>Hoping for my good day! <br><br>PS & gt; I guess

your

levels can go up more or less when you PMS????

[Guest guest]

I know what you mean,. there are days when I do

nap with him,. and he takes one almost everyday,I

dont take a nap with him everyday,. some days I need a

nap,.. and i feel better after having one,. then there

are days when I do,. and regret it,. I do keep my

self busy,. gardening,. playing with him,. among the

other things.. but it just seems that it is not

enough.. and I so very very tired,. <br>Thanks for the

advice,. <br>

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In a message dated 5/20/01 8:31:23 AM GTB Daylight Time,

gilnmarie@... writes:

<<

With this Article 84,when you travel,you can avoid all vaccinations

doesn't matter in which country you are going or when you're coming

back in your own country. >>

Does this count for TB and the PPD testing?

Sara

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That Article 84 is to avoid ALL vaccines

>From: nnu29@...

>Reply-Vaccinations

>Vaccinations

>Subject: Re: Hello all

>Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 19:10:07 EDT

>

>In a message dated 5/20/01 8:31:23 AM GTB Daylight Time,

>gilnmarie@... writes:

>

><<

>

> With this Article 84,when you travel,you can avoid all vaccinations

> doesn't matter in which country you are going or when you're coming

> back in your own country. >>

>Does this count for TB and the PPD testing?

>Sara

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Oh, YES, I guess I need to read the directions again. I wasn't using it

because I just didn't have time to put on the plastic and work around the

house. Ohhhh, now I am really excited to use it again. I LOVE the smell

and it made my skin really, really, really soft! Did I mention how soft it

made my skin! *big grin* Okay, I'm going to use it again! Please send

me the directions again. I must have had product overload and forgot how to

use it. I need a huge tub of it please! I'm going to slather myself in

it! :-) People will think I spilled a strawberry shake on myself! I will

smell so good.

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[Guest guest]

Welcome Monika, we know how you feel.

Max

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Hi Monika,

good to have you here - many selfthinkers are here and geuss what:

they are appreciated -

that's new to us, huh ?

love

[Guest guest]

Hi !

You are right. I felt so stifled on that list. And I

was so angry for being put on moderated status TWICE.

Once because she thought my posts were too long?!

Whatever. That list is being moderated by someone with

an overinflated sense of power.

Anyways, my husband and I are planning to move the

entire family to Europe (Croatia) next year. Since

we'll be on the same continent, I'll have to make sure

to drop by your studio and then we'll go to that great

ER restaurant, right?

Cheers! Happy to see you here,

m.

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Hi Monika,<BR>

<BR>

good to have you here - many selfthinkers are here and

geuss what:<BR>

they are appreciated -<BR>

that's new to us, huh ?<BR>

<BR>

love<BR>

<BR>

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[Guest guest]

Hi Monika,

I did not know there was another group. I like this

one, I don't like change....so I am here. Plus

is the best, check out his site too. I enjoy posting

there often, and read it everyday.

Dawn

--- monika_vidas <monika_vidas@...> wrote:

> Hi,

>

> Went through some of the messages and noticed a lot

> of familiar

> names. I've come off the other ER4YT list and have

> had a bad taste in

> my mouth ever since that list degenerated into daily

> Tabitha journals

> and Shaklee advertisments. And I guess since I've

> been kind of choked

> ever since Tabitha put me on moderated status. All I

> did was nicely

> ask her admit on the list that she mistakenly

> attributed an

> inflammatory email to me. Poof, I was told to go

> into the corner and

> stay there. Okay, that's all .. won't say anything

> negative anymore.

>

> I look forward to sharing and hearing your

> successes.

>

> Cheers!

> m.

>

>

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[Guest guest]

hi dawn,

oh yeah, there was another one. you'll notice lots of

people have come off of that one and joined this one.

the other one was turning into a highly regulated

authoritative group where you could be put on

moderated status without warning.

this group is a breath of fresh air.

cheers,

m.

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Hi Monika,<BR>

<BR>

I did not know there was another group. I like

this<BR>

one, I don't like change....so I am here. Plus

<BR>

is the best, check out his site too. I enjoy

posting<BR>

there often, and read it everyday.<BR>

<BR>

Dawn<BR>

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[Guest guest]

And any problem you had would generate an instant advertisement for a line

of products that one of them sold. This list is the way the other one used

to be, advice, help and caring.

hi dawn,

oh yeah, there was another one. you'll notice lots of

people have come off of that one and joined this one.

the other one was turning into a highly regulated

authoritative group where you could be put on

moderated status without warning.

this group is a breath of fresh air.

cheers,

m.