Guest guest Posted August 9, 2007 Report Share Posted August 9, 2007 Wow! Thank you for posting that! I've noticed some odd things going on with me recently and they're in that list of symptoms. Well good, I'm not crazy.... um, well maybe a little. Ok let's face it, the cheese slid off my cracker years ago. Gayle *loves Wayne's World lol* > > > By Joan King > President HepCBC > > I don't know about you, but I've never run into a group of " unreasonably " angry people in my life like some of those I have encountered in Hep C support groups, both " live " and on the internet. Don't get me wrong. Some of these people are my best friends, but I can't but help feeling there is some sort of physiological connection there. And to be fair, I'll even include myself. Have you felt yourself reacting in a way that you know is illogical? I sure have, especially before treatment. I did a search on the internet to see what I could find. Indeed, I found several sources that linked anger with a diseased liver, and the sources were both holistic and medical. The holistic view is that anger is a negative emotion that can get stuck in the liver, especially a liver that isn't functioning well. > > The medical point of view is that hepatic encephalopathy, or brain and nervous system damage caused by liver disorders, can cause changes in consciousness, behaviour, and personality. It can even cause coma. It can also cause forgetfulness, confusion, disorientation, delirium, dementia, loss of memory, intellect, reasoning, changes in mood, decreased alertness, daytime sleepiness, progressive stupor, decreased ability to care for oneself, loss of small hand movements, muscle tremors, seizures, speech impairment, a strange musty odour to the breath and urine, and, well, you get the idea. An EEG will show characteristic abnormalities, and blood tests can confirm this phenomenon. No, it's not your imagination. > > No wonder we're angry! The severe symptoms are usually experienced only with cirrhosis, but two research groups have recently reported that Hepatitis C Virus can affect the brain in people with less advanced disease, even with mild fibrosis. This disorder was not just related to hepatic encephalopathy. In an Austrian test comparing 58 healthy subjects to 58 subjects with Hepatitis C Virus patients without cirrhosis, all of the Hepatitis C Virus patients showed a " subclinical neurophysiological impairment. " So maybe my observations aren't a figment of my imagination. The other study, done in the UK, reported that those with Hepatitis C Virus scored > worse in " physical and social functioning, energy and fatigue, and other > measures, " and ruled out any effect of previous IV drug use. Interestingly, the > researchers found that patients with mild Hep C were slower in memory > tests, but just as accurate as healthy subjects. A test was done in the US on both Hepatitis C Virus positive and negative drug users, and those with Hep C scored higher for depression. > > So what causes the anger? Is it all-physiological? Maybe some of it is related to dealing with a possibly deadly disease. It may be related to the fatigue or depression caused by Hep C. > > What is the mechanism that allows the brain to be affected in liver disease? > In the case of people with cirrhosis, the liver can no longer convert ammonia, so it collects in the brain. Ammonia is produced by the body when protein is digested. The blood no longer circulates through a diseased liver where it would usually be filtered and detoxified. Toxins can damage the brain and spinal cord. Encephalopathy can be triggered in people with stable liver disease by several things: loss of blood, too much protein, electrolyte imbalances, especially low potassium levels caused by vomiting or > diuretics (eat your bananas!), draining of abdominal fluid, anything that causes > alkaline blood pH, low oxygen levels in the body, medications such as barbiturates, tranquilizers, surgery, or any illness. > > There is a theory that hepatitis C virus may actually invade our central nervous system. Some brain cells normally die and are replenished by circulating monocytes (a type of white blood cell), as many as 30% a year. These monocytes can possibly by infected with Hep C and make their way into the brain, attacking the brain cells and causing neuropsychiatric symptoms. Scary! But this is just a theory. Post-mortem tests are now being done in London on brain tissue. Researchers also suggest that the virus may hide in the brain, where it is safe from attack by antiviral therapy. There seems to be no relationship between the severity of hepatitis and the cerebral symptoms. > > All this sounds very discouraging. So what can we do? If we are constantly exploding with rage, we will alienate our family members, friends, co-workers.... First of all, when we are dealing with our friends with Hep C, we can try to be patient. We can show this article to our significant others, and hope they will understand better. People usually are more prone to anger than usual when taking interferon. Information can help arm us. Then we can start to take action. > > Watch your diet: > > First of all, don't drink alcohol! Watch your proteins, especially if you have cirrhosis. A high protein diet may cause increased levels of ammonia. Try to get your protein from vegetable rather than animal sources. Keep your blood alkalized and blood sugar levels stable by eating a high carbohydrate, low fat and protein diet. Eating bananas and whole grain foods promote relaxation and sleep. Foods with soy protein and eggs lead to alertness. Eat your biggest meal in the early part of the day to avoid restlessness and insomnia. It's good to keep a journal to see how your eating habits relate to your emotions, moods, and physical health. Avoid preservatives, additives, colours and illegal drugs or legal drugs, or at least use the smallest dose possible. Sugar is a drug, which leads to fat storage. Fructose may be a better choice. Eliminate white flour products, fried foods, processed or fast foods, pasteurized and homogenized dairy products, antibiotic and hormone fed > animals, addictive substances of all types, and chlorinated or fluoridated water. > > > Alter your lifestyle: > > Smoking by the patient, or even smoke in the atmosphere, will increase measured levels of ammonia. Did you know that one cigarette smoked 1 hour before a blood test will increase the blood ammonia? > > Avoid all toxins, antacids, any medication with ammonium, and if possible, sedatives and tranquilizers. Things like chiropractic, acupuncture, yoga, breathing exercises, visualisation, and/or meditation can help ease your stress levels. Just like your mother said: Get as much exercise, fresh air and sunshine as you can. > > Calming audiotapes or CDs can help, and there are some good ones with positive self-talk. It's important to maintain a positive, happy attitude. Try stress-reducing herbs such as chamomile, thyme, lavender, lemon balm, calendula, marjoram, peppermint, rosemary, and St. 's Wort, (there are warnings about taking St. 's Wort with other anti-depressants) in reasonable amounts, and after consulting with your doctor. > > Channel your anger into something positive, like letter campaigns for more > clinical trials, and volunteer work. > > Get medical help. At present there is not much the medical profession will do to help with subclinical neuropsychiatric complications of Hepatitis C Virus, since many doctors do not recognize them as such. If, however, you are suffering from clinical (more serious) encephalopathy, your doctor can be of immense help. What can a doctor do to treat encephalopathy? Lots! Blood loss can trigger brain fog. The doctor can stop blood loss from gastrointestinal bleeds with endoscopy and cauterization. To get rid of the toxins like ammonia that collect, the physician can prescribe laxatives, such as Lactulose, and > enemas. A reduced- or no-protein diet may help, but this is not for everyone. Tube feedings may be necessary, and Neomycin can reduce ammonia production by > intestinal bacteria. If the Hep C is " cured " with interferon or interferon plus ribavirin, this stops the inflammation and fibrosis, and, of course, the brain fog. (It can even clear up early cirrhosis.) Yes, the side effects are uncomfortable, but so is end stage liver disease. Even if you don't get rid of the virus, the interferon can slow the progression of cirrhosis. > Brain function seems to normalize with antiviral treatment. In the meantime, the doctor can prescribe antidepressants for those on treatment, where absolutely necessary, since the treatment itself can cause emotional disorders. Successful transplantation will take care of brain fog, but the anti-rejection medications can cause mood swings and anger. Get counselling. > > > One last note: Please, if you notice any change in your mental state, or in any of your neurological functions, call your doctor. Hepatic encephalopathy can rapidly become an emergency condition! > > > > > > HepCBC - www.hepcbc.org > > > > > Tim Parsons > > knoxville,tn 37931 > > x107 work > > > www.knoxville1.com > > > > --------------------------------- > Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2007 Report Share Posted August 9, 2007 Wow! Thank you for posting that! I've noticed some odd things going on with me recently and they're in that list of symptoms. Well good, I'm not crazy.... um, well maybe a little. Ok let's face it, the cheese slid off my cracker years ago. Gayle *loves Wayne's World lol* > > > By Joan King > President HepCBC > > I don't know about you, but I've never run into a group of " unreasonably " angry people in my life like some of those I have encountered in Hep C support groups, both " live " and on the internet. Don't get me wrong. Some of these people are my best friends, but I can't but help feeling there is some sort of physiological connection there. And to be fair, I'll even include myself. Have you felt yourself reacting in a way that you know is illogical? I sure have, especially before treatment. I did a search on the internet to see what I could find. Indeed, I found several sources that linked anger with a diseased liver, and the sources were both holistic and medical. The holistic view is that anger is a negative emotion that can get stuck in the liver, especially a liver that isn't functioning well. > > The medical point of view is that hepatic encephalopathy, or brain and nervous system damage caused by liver disorders, can cause changes in consciousness, behaviour, and personality. It can even cause coma. It can also cause forgetfulness, confusion, disorientation, delirium, dementia, loss of memory, intellect, reasoning, changes in mood, decreased alertness, daytime sleepiness, progressive stupor, decreased ability to care for oneself, loss of small hand movements, muscle tremors, seizures, speech impairment, a strange musty odour to the breath and urine, and, well, you get the idea. An EEG will show characteristic abnormalities, and blood tests can confirm this phenomenon. No, it's not your imagination. > > No wonder we're angry! The severe symptoms are usually experienced only with cirrhosis, but two research groups have recently reported that Hepatitis C Virus can affect the brain in people with less advanced disease, even with mild fibrosis. This disorder was not just related to hepatic encephalopathy. In an Austrian test comparing 58 healthy subjects to 58 subjects with Hepatitis C Virus patients without cirrhosis, all of the Hepatitis C Virus patients showed a " subclinical neurophysiological impairment. " So maybe my observations aren't a figment of my imagination. The other study, done in the UK, reported that those with Hepatitis C Virus scored > worse in " physical and social functioning, energy and fatigue, and other > measures, " and ruled out any effect of previous IV drug use. Interestingly, the > researchers found that patients with mild Hep C were slower in memory > tests, but just as accurate as healthy subjects. A test was done in the US on both Hepatitis C Virus positive and negative drug users, and those with Hep C scored higher for depression. > > So what causes the anger? Is it all-physiological? Maybe some of it is related to dealing with a possibly deadly disease. It may be related to the fatigue or depression caused by Hep C. > > What is the mechanism that allows the brain to be affected in liver disease? > In the case of people with cirrhosis, the liver can no longer convert ammonia, so it collects in the brain. Ammonia is produced by the body when protein is digested. The blood no longer circulates through a diseased liver where it would usually be filtered and detoxified. Toxins can damage the brain and spinal cord. Encephalopathy can be triggered in people with stable liver disease by several things: loss of blood, too much protein, electrolyte imbalances, especially low potassium levels caused by vomiting or > diuretics (eat your bananas!), draining of abdominal fluid, anything that causes > alkaline blood pH, low oxygen levels in the body, medications such as barbiturates, tranquilizers, surgery, or any illness. > > There is a theory that hepatitis C virus may actually invade our central nervous system. Some brain cells normally die and are replenished by circulating monocytes (a type of white blood cell), as many as 30% a year. These monocytes can possibly by infected with Hep C and make their way into the brain, attacking the brain cells and causing neuropsychiatric symptoms. Scary! But this is just a theory. Post-mortem tests are now being done in London on brain tissue. Researchers also suggest that the virus may hide in the brain, where it is safe from attack by antiviral therapy. There seems to be no relationship between the severity of hepatitis and the cerebral symptoms. > > All this sounds very discouraging. So what can we do? If we are constantly exploding with rage, we will alienate our family members, friends, co-workers.... First of all, when we are dealing with our friends with Hep C, we can try to be patient. We can show this article to our significant others, and hope they will understand better. People usually are more prone to anger than usual when taking interferon. Information can help arm us. Then we can start to take action. > > Watch your diet: > > First of all, don't drink alcohol! Watch your proteins, especially if you have cirrhosis. A high protein diet may cause increased levels of ammonia. Try to get your protein from vegetable rather than animal sources. Keep your blood alkalized and blood sugar levels stable by eating a high carbohydrate, low fat and protein diet. Eating bananas and whole grain foods promote relaxation and sleep. Foods with soy protein and eggs lead to alertness. Eat your biggest meal in the early part of the day to avoid restlessness and insomnia. It's good to keep a journal to see how your eating habits relate to your emotions, moods, and physical health. Avoid preservatives, additives, colours and illegal drugs or legal drugs, or at least use the smallest dose possible. Sugar is a drug, which leads to fat storage. Fructose may be a better choice. Eliminate white flour products, fried foods, processed or fast foods, pasteurized and homogenized dairy products, antibiotic and hormone fed > animals, addictive substances of all types, and chlorinated or fluoridated water. > > > Alter your lifestyle: > > Smoking by the patient, or even smoke in the atmosphere, will increase measured levels of ammonia. Did you know that one cigarette smoked 1 hour before a blood test will increase the blood ammonia? > > Avoid all toxins, antacids, any medication with ammonium, and if possible, sedatives and tranquilizers. Things like chiropractic, acupuncture, yoga, breathing exercises, visualisation, and/or meditation can help ease your stress levels. Just like your mother said: Get as much exercise, fresh air and sunshine as you can. > > Calming audiotapes or CDs can help, and there are some good ones with positive self-talk. It's important to maintain a positive, happy attitude. Try stress-reducing herbs such as chamomile, thyme, lavender, lemon balm, calendula, marjoram, peppermint, rosemary, and St. 's Wort, (there are warnings about taking St. 's Wort with other anti-depressants) in reasonable amounts, and after consulting with your doctor. > > Channel your anger into something positive, like letter campaigns for more > clinical trials, and volunteer work. > > Get medical help. At present there is not much the medical profession will do to help with subclinical neuropsychiatric complications of Hepatitis C Virus, since many doctors do not recognize them as such. If, however, you are suffering from clinical (more serious) encephalopathy, your doctor can be of immense help. What can a doctor do to treat encephalopathy? Lots! Blood loss can trigger brain fog. The doctor can stop blood loss from gastrointestinal bleeds with endoscopy and cauterization. To get rid of the toxins like ammonia that collect, the physician can prescribe laxatives, such as Lactulose, and > enemas. A reduced- or no-protein diet may help, but this is not for everyone. Tube feedings may be necessary, and Neomycin can reduce ammonia production by > intestinal bacteria. If the Hep C is " cured " with interferon or interferon plus ribavirin, this stops the inflammation and fibrosis, and, of course, the brain fog. (It can even clear up early cirrhosis.) Yes, the side effects are uncomfortable, but so is end stage liver disease. Even if you don't get rid of the virus, the interferon can slow the progression of cirrhosis. > Brain function seems to normalize with antiviral treatment. In the meantime, the doctor can prescribe antidepressants for those on treatment, where absolutely necessary, since the treatment itself can cause emotional disorders. Successful transplantation will take care of brain fog, but the anti-rejection medications can cause mood swings and anger. Get counselling. > > > One last note: Please, if you notice any change in your mental state, or in any of your neurological functions, call your doctor. Hepatic encephalopathy can rapidly become an emergency condition! > > > > > > HepCBC - www.hepcbc.org > > > > > Tim Parsons > > knoxville,tn 37931 > > x107 work > > > www.knoxville1.com > > > > --------------------------------- > Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2007 Report Share Posted August 9, 2007 I am encline to agree with you cause I find I can not handle stress at all and that I get angry very easy and I always had control when I was younger.I find that since last winter I have been getting depressed and taking my frustrations out on my husband by having a very short fuse.I feel as though I have lost control,but don't know why.I was thinking yesterday about seeing a shrink to try and straighten it out,cause I think it is partially because of my frustrations about my health that is causing the problem. Gail -----Original Message-----From: HepatitisCSupportGroupForDummies [mailto:HepatitisCSupportGroupForDummies ]On Behalf Of Hillbilly TimSent: August 9, 2007 7:14 AMTo: HepatitisCSupportGroupForDummies Subject: Re: Connection between Hepatitis C Virus & Anger?By Joan KingPresident HepCBCI don't know about you, but I've never run into a group of "unreasonably" angry people in my life like some of those I have encountered in Hep C support groups, both "live" and on the internet. Don't get me wrong. Some of these people are my best friends, but I can't but help feeling there is some sort of physiological connection there. And to be fair, I'll even include myself. Have you felt yourself reacting in a way that you know is illogical? I sure have, especially before treatment. I did a search on the internet to see what I could find. Indeed, I found several sources that linked anger with a diseased liver, and the sources were both holistic and medical. The holistic view is that anger is a negative emotion that can get stuck in the liver, especially a liver that isn't functioning well. The medical point of view is that hepatic encephalopathy, or brain and nervous system damage caused by liver disorders, can cause changes in consciousness, behaviour, and personality. It can even cause coma. It can also cause forgetfulness, confusion, disorientation, delirium, dementia, loss of memory, intellect, reasoning, changes in mood, decreased alertness, daytime sleepiness, progressive stupor, decreased ability to care for oneself, loss of small hand movements, muscle tremors, seizures, speech impairment, a strange musty odour to the breath and urine, and, well, you get the idea. An EEG will show characteristic abnormalities, and blood tests can confirm this phenomenon. No, it's not your imagination.No wonder we're angry! The severe symptoms are usually experienced only with cirrhosis, but two research groups have recently reported that Hepatitis C Virus can affect the brain in people with less advanced disease, even with mild fibrosis. This disorder was not just related to hepatic encephalopathy. In an Austrian test comparing 58 healthy subjects to 58 subjects with Hepatitis C Virus patients without cirrhosis, all of the Hepatitis C Virus patients showed a "subclinical neurophysiological impairment." So maybe my observations aren't a figment of my imagination. The other study, done in the UK, reported that those with Hepatitis C Virus scored worse in "physical and social functioning, energy and fatigue, and other measures," and ruled out any effect of previous IV drug use. Interestingly, theresearchers found that patients with mild Hep C were slower in memory tests, but just as accurate as healthy subjects. A test was done in the US on both Hepatitis C Virus positive and negative drug users, and those with Hep C scored higher for depression.So what causes the anger? Is it all-physiological? Maybe some of it is related to dealing with a possibly deadly disease. It may be related to the fatigue or depression caused by Hep C.What is the mechanism that allows the brain to be affected in liver disease?In the case of people with cirrhosis, the liver can no longer convert ammonia, so it collects in the brain. Ammonia is produced by the body when protein is digested. The blood no longer circulates through a diseased liver where it would usually be filtered and detoxified. Toxins can damage the brain and spinal cord. Encephalopathy can be triggered in people with stable liver disease by several things: loss of blood, too much protein, electrolyte imbalances, especially low potassium levels caused by vomiting or diuretics (eat your bananas!), draining of abdominal fluid, anything that causesalkaline blood pH, low oxygen levels in the body, medications such as barbiturates, tranquilizers, surgery, or any illness.There is a theory that hepatitis C virus may actually invade our central nervous system. Some brain cells normally die and are replenished by circulating monocytes (a type of white blood cell), as many as 30% a year. These monocytes can possibly by infected with Hep C and make their way into the brain, attacking the brain cells and causing neuropsychiatric symptoms. Scary! But this is just a theory. Post-mortem tests are now being done in London on brain tissue. Researchers also suggest that the virus may hide in the brain, where it is safe from attack by antiviral therapy. There seems to be no relationship between the severity of hepatitis and the cerebral symptoms. All this sounds very discouraging. So what can we do? If we are constantly exploding with rage, we will alienate our family members, friends, co-workers.... First of all, when we are dealing with our friends with Hep C, we can try to be patient. We can show this article to our significant others, and hope they will understand better. People usually are more prone to anger than usual when taking interferon. Information can help arm us. Then we can start to take action. Watch your diet:First of all, don't drink alcohol! Watch your proteins, especially if you have cirrhosis. A high protein diet may cause increased levels of ammonia. Try to get your protein from vegetable rather than animal sources. Keep your blood alkalized and blood sugar levels stable by eating a high carbohydrate, low fat and protein diet. Eating bananas and whole grain foods promote relaxation and sleep. Foods with soy protein and eggs lead to alertness. Eat your biggest meal in the early part of the day to avoid restlessness and insomnia. It's good to keep a journal to see how your eating habits relate to your emotions, moods, and physical health. Avoid preservatives, additives, colours and illegal drugs or legal drugs, or at least use the smallest dose possible. Sugar is a drug, which leads to fat storage. Fructose may be a better choice. Eliminate white flour products, fried foods, processed or fast foods, pasteurized and homogenized dairy products, antibiotic and hormone fed animals, addictive substances of all types, and chlorinated or fluoridated water. Alter your lifestyle:Smoking by the patient, or even smoke in the atmosphere, will increase measured levels of ammonia. Did you know that one cigarette smoked 1 hour before a blood test will increase the blood ammonia?Avoid all toxins, antacids, any medication with ammonium, and if possible, sedatives and tranquilizers. Things like chiropractic, acupuncture, yoga, breathing exercises, visualisation, and/or meditation can help ease your stress levels. Just like your mother said: Get as much exercise, fresh air and sunshine as you can.Calming audiotapes or CDs can help, and there are some good ones with positive self-talk. It's important to maintain a positive, happy attitude. Try stress-reducing herbs such as chamomile, thyme, lavender, lemon balm, calendula, marjoram, peppermint, rosemary, and St. 's Wort, (there are warnings about taking St. 's Wort with other anti-depressants) in reasonable amounts, and after consulting with your doctor.Channel your anger into something positive, like letter campaigns for moreclinical trials, and volunteer work.Get medical help. At present there is not much the medical profession will do to help with subclinical neuropsychiatric complications of Hepatitis C Virus, since many doctors do not recognize them as such. If, however, you are suffering from clinical (more serious) encephalopathy, your doctor can be of immense help. What can a doctor do to treat encephalopathy? Lots! Blood loss can trigger brain fog. The doctor can stop blood loss from gastrointestinal bleeds with endoscopy and cauterization. To get rid of the toxins like ammonia that collect, the physician can prescribe laxatives, such as Lactulose, andenemas. A reduced- or no-protein diet may help, but this is not for everyone. Tube feedings may be necessary, and Neomycin can reduce ammonia production byintestinal bacteria. If the Hep C is "cured" with interferon or interferon plus ribavirin, this stops the inflammation and fibrosis, and, of course, the brain fog. (It can even clear up early cirrhosis.) Yes, the side effects are uncomfortable, but so is end stage liver disease. Even if you don't get rid of the virus, the interferon can slow the progression of cirrhosis. Brain function seems to normalize with antiviral treatment. In the meantime, the doctor can prescribe antidepressants for those on treatment, where absolutely necessary, since the treatment itself can cause emotional disorders. Successful transplantation will take care of brain fog, but the anti-rejection medications can cause mood swings and anger. Get counselling.One last note: Please, if you notice any change in your mental state, or in any of your neurological functions, call your doctor. Hepatic encephalopathy can rapidly become an emergency condition! HepCBC - www.hepcbc.org Tim Parsons knoxville,tn 37931 x107 work www.knoxville1.com Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2007 Report Share Posted August 9, 2007 I am encline to agree with you cause I find I can not handle stress at all and that I get angry very easy and I always had control when I was younger.I find that since last winter I have been getting depressed and taking my frustrations out on my husband by having a very short fuse.I feel as though I have lost control,but don't know why.I was thinking yesterday about seeing a shrink to try and straighten it out,cause I think it is partially because of my frustrations about my health that is causing the problem. Gail -----Original Message-----From: HepatitisCSupportGroupForDummies [mailto:HepatitisCSupportGroupForDummies ]On Behalf Of Hillbilly TimSent: August 9, 2007 7:14 AMTo: HepatitisCSupportGroupForDummies Subject: Re: Connection between Hepatitis C Virus & Anger?By Joan KingPresident HepCBCI don't know about you, but I've never run into a group of "unreasonably" angry people in my life like some of those I have encountered in Hep C support groups, both "live" and on the internet. Don't get me wrong. Some of these people are my best friends, but I can't but help feeling there is some sort of physiological connection there. And to be fair, I'll even include myself. Have you felt yourself reacting in a way that you know is illogical? I sure have, especially before treatment. I did a search on the internet to see what I could find. Indeed, I found several sources that linked anger with a diseased liver, and the sources were both holistic and medical. The holistic view is that anger is a negative emotion that can get stuck in the liver, especially a liver that isn't functioning well. The medical point of view is that hepatic encephalopathy, or brain and nervous system damage caused by liver disorders, can cause changes in consciousness, behaviour, and personality. It can even cause coma. It can also cause forgetfulness, confusion, disorientation, delirium, dementia, loss of memory, intellect, reasoning, changes in mood, decreased alertness, daytime sleepiness, progressive stupor, decreased ability to care for oneself, loss of small hand movements, muscle tremors, seizures, speech impairment, a strange musty odour to the breath and urine, and, well, you get the idea. An EEG will show characteristic abnormalities, and blood tests can confirm this phenomenon. No, it's not your imagination.No wonder we're angry! The severe symptoms are usually experienced only with cirrhosis, but two research groups have recently reported that Hepatitis C Virus can affect the brain in people with less advanced disease, even with mild fibrosis. This disorder was not just related to hepatic encephalopathy. In an Austrian test comparing 58 healthy subjects to 58 subjects with Hepatitis C Virus patients without cirrhosis, all of the Hepatitis C Virus patients showed a "subclinical neurophysiological impairment." So maybe my observations aren't a figment of my imagination. The other study, done in the UK, reported that those with Hepatitis C Virus scored worse in "physical and social functioning, energy and fatigue, and other measures," and ruled out any effect of previous IV drug use. Interestingly, theresearchers found that patients with mild Hep C were slower in memory tests, but just as accurate as healthy subjects. A test was done in the US on both Hepatitis C Virus positive and negative drug users, and those with Hep C scored higher for depression.So what causes the anger? Is it all-physiological? Maybe some of it is related to dealing with a possibly deadly disease. It may be related to the fatigue or depression caused by Hep C.What is the mechanism that allows the brain to be affected in liver disease?In the case of people with cirrhosis, the liver can no longer convert ammonia, so it collects in the brain. Ammonia is produced by the body when protein is digested. The blood no longer circulates through a diseased liver where it would usually be filtered and detoxified. Toxins can damage the brain and spinal cord. Encephalopathy can be triggered in people with stable liver disease by several things: loss of blood, too much protein, electrolyte imbalances, especially low potassium levels caused by vomiting or diuretics (eat your bananas!), draining of abdominal fluid, anything that causesalkaline blood pH, low oxygen levels in the body, medications such as barbiturates, tranquilizers, surgery, or any illness.There is a theory that hepatitis C virus may actually invade our central nervous system. Some brain cells normally die and are replenished by circulating monocytes (a type of white blood cell), as many as 30% a year. These monocytes can possibly by infected with Hep C and make their way into the brain, attacking the brain cells and causing neuropsychiatric symptoms. Scary! But this is just a theory. Post-mortem tests are now being done in London on brain tissue. Researchers also suggest that the virus may hide in the brain, where it is safe from attack by antiviral therapy. There seems to be no relationship between the severity of hepatitis and the cerebral symptoms. All this sounds very discouraging. So what can we do? If we are constantly exploding with rage, we will alienate our family members, friends, co-workers.... First of all, when we are dealing with our friends with Hep C, we can try to be patient. We can show this article to our significant others, and hope they will understand better. People usually are more prone to anger than usual when taking interferon. Information can help arm us. Then we can start to take action. Watch your diet:First of all, don't drink alcohol! Watch your proteins, especially if you have cirrhosis. A high protein diet may cause increased levels of ammonia. Try to get your protein from vegetable rather than animal sources. Keep your blood alkalized and blood sugar levels stable by eating a high carbohydrate, low fat and protein diet. Eating bananas and whole grain foods promote relaxation and sleep. Foods with soy protein and eggs lead to alertness. Eat your biggest meal in the early part of the day to avoid restlessness and insomnia. It's good to keep a journal to see how your eating habits relate to your emotions, moods, and physical health. Avoid preservatives, additives, colours and illegal drugs or legal drugs, or at least use the smallest dose possible. Sugar is a drug, which leads to fat storage. Fructose may be a better choice. Eliminate white flour products, fried foods, processed or fast foods, pasteurized and homogenized dairy products, antibiotic and hormone fed animals, addictive substances of all types, and chlorinated or fluoridated water. Alter your lifestyle:Smoking by the patient, or even smoke in the atmosphere, will increase measured levels of ammonia. Did you know that one cigarette smoked 1 hour before a blood test will increase the blood ammonia?Avoid all toxins, antacids, any medication with ammonium, and if possible, sedatives and tranquilizers. Things like chiropractic, acupuncture, yoga, breathing exercises, visualisation, and/or meditation can help ease your stress levels. Just like your mother said: Get as much exercise, fresh air and sunshine as you can.Calming audiotapes or CDs can help, and there are some good ones with positive self-talk. It's important to maintain a positive, happy attitude. Try stress-reducing herbs such as chamomile, thyme, lavender, lemon balm, calendula, marjoram, peppermint, rosemary, and St. 's Wort, (there are warnings about taking St. 's Wort with other anti-depressants) in reasonable amounts, and after consulting with your doctor.Channel your anger into something positive, like letter campaigns for moreclinical trials, and volunteer work.Get medical help. At present there is not much the medical profession will do to help with subclinical neuropsychiatric complications of Hepatitis C Virus, since many doctors do not recognize them as such. If, however, you are suffering from clinical (more serious) encephalopathy, your doctor can be of immense help. What can a doctor do to treat encephalopathy? Lots! Blood loss can trigger brain fog. The doctor can stop blood loss from gastrointestinal bleeds with endoscopy and cauterization. To get rid of the toxins like ammonia that collect, the physician can prescribe laxatives, such as Lactulose, andenemas. A reduced- or no-protein diet may help, but this is not for everyone. Tube feedings may be necessary, and Neomycin can reduce ammonia production byintestinal bacteria. If the Hep C is "cured" with interferon or interferon plus ribavirin, this stops the inflammation and fibrosis, and, of course, the brain fog. (It can even clear up early cirrhosis.) Yes, the side effects are uncomfortable, but so is end stage liver disease. Even if you don't get rid of the virus, the interferon can slow the progression of cirrhosis. Brain function seems to normalize with antiviral treatment. In the meantime, the doctor can prescribe antidepressants for those on treatment, where absolutely necessary, since the treatment itself can cause emotional disorders. Successful transplantation will take care of brain fog, but the anti-rejection medications can cause mood swings and anger. Get counselling.One last note: Please, if you notice any change in your mental state, or in any of your neurological functions, call your doctor. Hepatic encephalopathy can rapidly become an emergency condition! HepCBC - www.hepcbc.org Tim Parsons knoxville,tn 37931 x107 work www.knoxville1.com Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2007 Report Share Posted August 9, 2007 I am encline to agree with you cause I find I can not handle stress at all and that I get angry very easy and I always had control when I was younger.I find that since last winter I have been getting depressed and taking my frustrations out on my husband by having a very short fuse.I feel as though I have lost control,but don't know why.I was thinking yesterday about seeing a shrink to try and straighten it out,cause I think it is partially because of my frustrations about my health that is causing the problem. Gail -----Original Message-----From: HepatitisCSupportGroupForDummies [mailto:HepatitisCSupportGroupForDummies ]On Behalf Of Hillbilly TimSent: August 9, 2007 7:14 AMTo: HepatitisCSupportGroupForDummies Subject: Re: Connection between Hepatitis C Virus & Anger?By Joan KingPresident HepCBCI don't know about you, but I've never run into a group of "unreasonably" angry people in my life like some of those I have encountered in Hep C support groups, both "live" and on the internet. Don't get me wrong. Some of these people are my best friends, but I can't but help feeling there is some sort of physiological connection there. And to be fair, I'll even include myself. Have you felt yourself reacting in a way that you know is illogical? I sure have, especially before treatment. I did a search on the internet to see what I could find. Indeed, I found several sources that linked anger with a diseased liver, and the sources were both holistic and medical. The holistic view is that anger is a negative emotion that can get stuck in the liver, especially a liver that isn't functioning well. The medical point of view is that hepatic encephalopathy, or brain and nervous system damage caused by liver disorders, can cause changes in consciousness, behaviour, and personality. It can even cause coma. It can also cause forgetfulness, confusion, disorientation, delirium, dementia, loss of memory, intellect, reasoning, changes in mood, decreased alertness, daytime sleepiness, progressive stupor, decreased ability to care for oneself, loss of small hand movements, muscle tremors, seizures, speech impairment, a strange musty odour to the breath and urine, and, well, you get the idea. An EEG will show characteristic abnormalities, and blood tests can confirm this phenomenon. No, it's not your imagination.No wonder we're angry! The severe symptoms are usually experienced only with cirrhosis, but two research groups have recently reported that Hepatitis C Virus can affect the brain in people with less advanced disease, even with mild fibrosis. This disorder was not just related to hepatic encephalopathy. In an Austrian test comparing 58 healthy subjects to 58 subjects with Hepatitis C Virus patients without cirrhosis, all of the Hepatitis C Virus patients showed a "subclinical neurophysiological impairment." So maybe my observations aren't a figment of my imagination. The other study, done in the UK, reported that those with Hepatitis C Virus scored worse in "physical and social functioning, energy and fatigue, and other measures," and ruled out any effect of previous IV drug use. Interestingly, theresearchers found that patients with mild Hep C were slower in memory tests, but just as accurate as healthy subjects. A test was done in the US on both Hepatitis C Virus positive and negative drug users, and those with Hep C scored higher for depression.So what causes the anger? Is it all-physiological? Maybe some of it is related to dealing with a possibly deadly disease. It may be related to the fatigue or depression caused by Hep C.What is the mechanism that allows the brain to be affected in liver disease?In the case of people with cirrhosis, the liver can no longer convert ammonia, so it collects in the brain. Ammonia is produced by the body when protein is digested. The blood no longer circulates through a diseased liver where it would usually be filtered and detoxified. Toxins can damage the brain and spinal cord. Encephalopathy can be triggered in people with stable liver disease by several things: loss of blood, too much protein, electrolyte imbalances, especially low potassium levels caused by vomiting or diuretics (eat your bananas!), draining of abdominal fluid, anything that causesalkaline blood pH, low oxygen levels in the body, medications such as barbiturates, tranquilizers, surgery, or any illness.There is a theory that hepatitis C virus may actually invade our central nervous system. Some brain cells normally die and are replenished by circulating monocytes (a type of white blood cell), as many as 30% a year. These monocytes can possibly by infected with Hep C and make their way into the brain, attacking the brain cells and causing neuropsychiatric symptoms. Scary! But this is just a theory. Post-mortem tests are now being done in London on brain tissue. Researchers also suggest that the virus may hide in the brain, where it is safe from attack by antiviral therapy. There seems to be no relationship between the severity of hepatitis and the cerebral symptoms. All this sounds very discouraging. So what can we do? If we are constantly exploding with rage, we will alienate our family members, friends, co-workers.... First of all, when we are dealing with our friends with Hep C, we can try to be patient. We can show this article to our significant others, and hope they will understand better. People usually are more prone to anger than usual when taking interferon. Information can help arm us. Then we can start to take action. Watch your diet:First of all, don't drink alcohol! Watch your proteins, especially if you have cirrhosis. A high protein diet may cause increased levels of ammonia. Try to get your protein from vegetable rather than animal sources. Keep your blood alkalized and blood sugar levels stable by eating a high carbohydrate, low fat and protein diet. Eating bananas and whole grain foods promote relaxation and sleep. Foods with soy protein and eggs lead to alertness. Eat your biggest meal in the early part of the day to avoid restlessness and insomnia. It's good to keep a journal to see how your eating habits relate to your emotions, moods, and physical health. Avoid preservatives, additives, colours and illegal drugs or legal drugs, or at least use the smallest dose possible. Sugar is a drug, which leads to fat storage. Fructose may be a better choice. Eliminate white flour products, fried foods, processed or fast foods, pasteurized and homogenized dairy products, antibiotic and hormone fed animals, addictive substances of all types, and chlorinated or fluoridated water. Alter your lifestyle:Smoking by the patient, or even smoke in the atmosphere, will increase measured levels of ammonia. Did you know that one cigarette smoked 1 hour before a blood test will increase the blood ammonia?Avoid all toxins, antacids, any medication with ammonium, and if possible, sedatives and tranquilizers. Things like chiropractic, acupuncture, yoga, breathing exercises, visualisation, and/or meditation can help ease your stress levels. Just like your mother said: Get as much exercise, fresh air and sunshine as you can.Calming audiotapes or CDs can help, and there are some good ones with positive self-talk. It's important to maintain a positive, happy attitude. Try stress-reducing herbs such as chamomile, thyme, lavender, lemon balm, calendula, marjoram, peppermint, rosemary, and St. 's Wort, (there are warnings about taking St. 's Wort with other anti-depressants) in reasonable amounts, and after consulting with your doctor.Channel your anger into something positive, like letter campaigns for moreclinical trials, and volunteer work.Get medical help. At present there is not much the medical profession will do to help with subclinical neuropsychiatric complications of Hepatitis C Virus, since many doctors do not recognize them as such. If, however, you are suffering from clinical (more serious) encephalopathy, your doctor can be of immense help. What can a doctor do to treat encephalopathy? Lots! Blood loss can trigger brain fog. The doctor can stop blood loss from gastrointestinal bleeds with endoscopy and cauterization. To get rid of the toxins like ammonia that collect, the physician can prescribe laxatives, such as Lactulose, andenemas. A reduced- or no-protein diet may help, but this is not for everyone. Tube feedings may be necessary, and Neomycin can reduce ammonia production byintestinal bacteria. If the Hep C is "cured" with interferon or interferon plus ribavirin, this stops the inflammation and fibrosis, and, of course, the brain fog. (It can even clear up early cirrhosis.) Yes, the side effects are uncomfortable, but so is end stage liver disease. Even if you don't get rid of the virus, the interferon can slow the progression of cirrhosis. Brain function seems to normalize with antiviral treatment. In the meantime, the doctor can prescribe antidepressants for those on treatment, where absolutely necessary, since the treatment itself can cause emotional disorders. Successful transplantation will take care of brain fog, but the anti-rejection medications can cause mood swings and anger. Get counselling.One last note: Please, if you notice any change in your mental state, or in any of your neurological functions, call your doctor. Hepatic encephalopathy can rapidly become an emergency condition! HepCBC - www.hepcbc.org Tim Parsons knoxville,tn 37931 x107 work www.knoxville1.com Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2007 Report Share Posted August 9, 2007 lol Thanks, we use that little quip quite often around here. ;-) I think it came from a movie called The Green Mile. " The cheese done slid off his cracker " lol x Gayle > > > > > > By Joan King > > President HepCBC > > > > I don't know about you, but I've never run into a group > of " unreasonably " angry people in my life like some of those I have > encountered in Hep C support groups, both " live " and on the internet. > Don't get me wrong. Some of these people are my best friends, but I > can't but help feeling there is some sort of physiological connection > there. And to be fair, I'll even include myself. Have you felt > yourself reacting in a way that you know is illogical? I sure have, > especially before treatment. I did a search on the internet to see > what I could find. Indeed, I found several sources that linked anger > with a diseased liver, and the sources were both holistic and > medical. The holistic view is that anger is a negative emotion that > can get stuck in the liver, especially a liver that isn't > functioning well. > > > > The medical point of view is that hepatic > encephalopathy, or brain and nervous system damage caused by liver > disorders, can cause changes in consciousness, behaviour, and > personality. It can even cause coma. It can also cause > forgetfulness, confusion, disorientation, delirium, dementia, loss of > memory, intellect, reasoning, changes in mood, decreased alertness, > daytime sleepiness, progressive stupor, decreased ability to care > for oneself, loss of small hand movements, muscle tremors, seizures, > speech impairment, a strange musty odour to the breath and urine, > and, well, you get the idea. An EEG will show characteristic > abnormalities, and blood tests can confirm this phenomenon. No, it's > not your imagination. > > > > No wonder we're angry! The severe symptoms are usually experienced > only with cirrhosis, but two research groups have recently reported > that Hepatitis C Virus can affect the brain in people with less > advanced disease, even with mild fibrosis. This disorder was not > just related to hepatic encephalopathy. In an Austrian test comparing > 58 healthy subjects to 58 subjects with Hepatitis C Virus patients > without cirrhosis, all of the Hepatitis C Virus patients showed > a " subclinical neurophysiological impairment. " So maybe my > observations aren't a figment of my imagination. The other study, > done in the UK, reported that those with Hepatitis C Virus scored > > worse in " physical and social functioning, energy and fatigue, and > other > > measures, " and ruled out any effect of previous IV drug use. > Interestingly, the > > researchers found that patients with mild Hep C were slower in > memory > > tests, but just as accurate as healthy subjects. A test was done in > the US on both Hepatitis C Virus positive and negative drug users, > and those with Hep C scored higher for depression. > > > > So what causes the anger? Is it all-physiological? Maybe some of it > is related to dealing with a possibly deadly disease. It may be > related to the fatigue or depression caused by Hep C. > > > > What is the mechanism that allows the brain to be affected in liver > disease? > > In the case of people with cirrhosis, the liver can no longer > convert ammonia, so it collects in the brain. Ammonia is produced by > the body when protein is digested. The blood no longer circulates > through a diseased liver where it would usually be filtered and > detoxified. Toxins can damage the brain and spinal cord. > Encephalopathy can be triggered in people with stable liver disease > by several things: loss of blood, too much protein, electrolyte > imbalances, especially low potassium levels caused by vomiting or > > diuretics (eat your bananas!), draining of abdominal fluid, > anything that causes > > alkaline blood pH, low oxygen levels in the body, medications such > as barbiturates, tranquilizers, surgery, or any illness. > > > > There is a theory that hepatitis C virus may actually invade our > central nervous system. Some brain cells normally die and are > replenished by circulating monocytes (a type of white blood cell), as > many as 30% a year. These monocytes can possibly by infected with Hep > C and make their way into the brain, attacking the brain cells and > causing neuropsychiatric symptoms. Scary! But this is just a theory. > Post-mortem tests are now being done in London on brain tissue. > Researchers also suggest that the virus may hide in the brain, where > it is safe from attack by antiviral therapy. There seems to be no > relationship between the severity of hepatitis and the cerebral > symptoms. > > > > All this sounds very discouraging. So what can we do? If we are > constantly exploding with rage, we will alienate our family members, > friends, co-workers.... First of all, when we are dealing with our > friends with Hep C, we can try to be patient. We can show this > article to our significant others, and hope they will understand > better. People usually are more prone to anger than usual when taking > interferon. Information can help arm us. Then we can start to take > action. > > > > Watch your diet: > > > > First of all, don't drink alcohol! Watch your proteins, especially > if you have cirrhosis. A high protein diet may cause increased levels > of ammonia. Try to get your protein from vegetable rather than animal > sources. Keep your blood alkalized and blood sugar levels stable by > eating a high carbohydrate, low fat and protein diet. Eating bananas > and whole grain foods promote relaxation and sleep. Foods with soy > protein and eggs lead to alertness. Eat your biggest meal in the > early part of the day to avoid restlessness and insomnia. It's good > to keep a journal to see how your eating habits relate to your > emotions, moods, and physical health. Avoid preservatives, > additives, colours and illegal drugs or legal drugs, or at least use > the smallest dose possible. Sugar is a drug, which leads to fat > storage. Fructose may be a better choice. Eliminate white flour > products, fried foods, processed or fast foods, pasteurized and > homogenized dairy products, antibiotic and hormone fed > > animals, addictive substances of all types, and chlorinated or > fluoridated water. > > > > > > Alter your lifestyle: > > > > Smoking by the patient, or even smoke in the atmosphere, will > increase measured levels of ammonia. Did you know that one cigarette > smoked 1 hour before a blood test will increase the blood ammonia? > > > > Avoid all toxins, antacids, any medication with ammonium, and if > possible, sedatives and tranquilizers. Things like chiropractic, > acupuncture, yoga, breathing exercises, visualisation, and/or > meditation can help ease your stress levels. Just like your mother > said: Get as much exercise, fresh air and sunshine as you can. > > > > Calming audiotapes or CDs can help, and there are some good ones > with positive self-talk. It's important to maintain a positive, happy > attitude. Try stress-reducing herbs such as chamomile, thyme, > lavender, lemon balm, calendula, marjoram, peppermint, rosemary, and > St. 's Wort, (there are warnings about taking St. 's Wort > with other anti-depressants) in reasonable amounts, and after > consulting with your doctor. > > > > Channel your anger into something positive, like letter campaigns > for more > > clinical trials, and volunteer work. > > > > Get medical help. At present there is not much the medical > profession will do to help with subclinical neuropsychiatric > complications of Hepatitis C Virus, since many doctors do not > recognize them as such. If, however, you are suffering from clinical > (more serious) encephalopathy, your doctor can be of immense help. > What can a doctor do to treat encephalopathy? Lots! Blood loss can > trigger brain fog. The doctor can stop blood loss from > gastrointestinal bleeds with endoscopy and cauterization. To get rid > of the toxins like ammonia that collect, the physician can prescribe > laxatives, such as Lactulose, and > > enemas. A reduced- or no-protein diet may help, but this is not for > everyone. Tube feedings may be necessary, and Neomycin can reduce > ammonia production by > > intestinal bacteria. If the Hep C is " cured " with interferon or > interferon plus ribavirin, this stops the inflammation and fibrosis, > and, of course, the brain fog. (It can even clear up early > cirrhosis.) Yes, the side effects are uncomfortable, but so is end > stage liver disease. Even if you don't get rid of the virus, the > interferon can slow the progression of cirrhosis. > > Brain function seems to normalize with antiviral treatment. In the > meantime, the doctor can prescribe antidepressants for those on > treatment, where absolutely necessary, since the treatment itself can > cause emotional disorders. Successful transplantation will take care > of brain fog, but the anti-rejection medications can cause mood > swings and anger. Get counselling. > > > > > > One last note: Please, if you notice any change in your mental > state, or in any of your neurological functions, call your doctor. > Hepatic encephalopathy can rapidly become an emergency condition! > > > > > > > > > > > > HepCBC - www.hepcbc.org > > > > > > > > > > Tim Parsons > > > > knoxville,tn 37931 > > > > x107 work > > > > > > www.knoxville1.com > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see > what's on, when. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 9, 2007 Report Share Posted August 9, 2007 lol Thanks, we use that little quip quite often around here. ;-) I think it came from a movie called The Green Mile. " The cheese done slid off his cracker " lol x Gayle > > > > > > By Joan King > > President HepCBC > > > > I don't know about you, but I've never run into a group > of " unreasonably " angry people in my life like some of those I have > encountered in Hep C support groups, both " live " and on the internet. > Don't get me wrong. Some of these people are my best friends, but I > can't but help feeling there is some sort of physiological connection > there. And to be fair, I'll even include myself. Have you felt > yourself reacting in a way that you know is illogical? I sure have, > especially before treatment. I did a search on the internet to see > what I could find. Indeed, I found several sources that linked anger > with a diseased liver, and the sources were both holistic and > medical. The holistic view is that anger is a negative emotion that > can get stuck in the liver, especially a liver that isn't > functioning well. > > > > The medical point of view is that hepatic > encephalopathy, or brain and nervous system damage caused by liver > disorders, can cause changes in consciousness, behaviour, and > personality. It can even cause coma. It can also cause > forgetfulness, confusion, disorientation, delirium, dementia, loss of > memory, intellect, reasoning, changes in mood, decreased alertness, > daytime sleepiness, progressive stupor, decreased ability to care > for oneself, loss of small hand movements, muscle tremors, seizures, > speech impairment, a strange musty odour to the breath and urine, > and, well, you get the idea. An EEG will show characteristic > abnormalities, and blood tests can confirm this phenomenon. No, it's > not your imagination. > > > > No wonder we're angry! The severe symptoms are usually experienced > only with cirrhosis, but two research groups have recently reported > that Hepatitis C Virus can affect the brain in people with less > advanced disease, even with mild fibrosis. This disorder was not > just related to hepatic encephalopathy. In an Austrian test comparing > 58 healthy subjects to 58 subjects with Hepatitis C Virus patients > without cirrhosis, all of the Hepatitis C Virus patients showed > a " subclinical neurophysiological impairment. " So maybe my > observations aren't a figment of my imagination. The other study, > done in the UK, reported that those with Hepatitis C Virus scored > > worse in " physical and social functioning, energy and fatigue, and > other > > measures, " and ruled out any effect of previous IV drug use. > Interestingly, the > > researchers found that patients with mild Hep C were slower in > memory > > tests, but just as accurate as healthy subjects. A test was done in > the US on both Hepatitis C Virus positive and negative drug users, > and those with Hep C scored higher for depression. > > > > So what causes the anger? Is it all-physiological? Maybe some of it > is related to dealing with a possibly deadly disease. It may be > related to the fatigue or depression caused by Hep C. > > > > What is the mechanism that allows the brain to be affected in liver > disease? > > In the case of people with cirrhosis, the liver can no longer > convert ammonia, so it collects in the brain. Ammonia is produced by > the body when protein is digested. The blood no longer circulates > through a diseased liver where it would usually be filtered and > detoxified. Toxins can damage the brain and spinal cord. > Encephalopathy can be triggered in people with stable liver disease > by several things: loss of blood, too much protein, electrolyte > imbalances, especially low potassium levels caused by vomiting or > > diuretics (eat your bananas!), draining of abdominal fluid, > anything that causes > > alkaline blood pH, low oxygen levels in the body, medications such > as barbiturates, tranquilizers, surgery, or any illness. > > > > There is a theory that hepatitis C virus may actually invade our > central nervous system. Some brain cells normally die and are > replenished by circulating monocytes (a type of white blood cell), as > many as 30% a year. These monocytes can possibly by infected with Hep > C and make their way into the brain, attacking the brain cells and > causing neuropsychiatric symptoms. Scary! But this is just a theory. > Post-mortem tests are now being done in London on brain tissue. > Researchers also suggest that the virus may hide in the brain, where > it is safe from attack by antiviral therapy. There seems to be no > relationship between the severity of hepatitis and the cerebral > symptoms. > > > > All this sounds very discouraging. So what can we do? If we are > constantly exploding with rage, we will alienate our family members, > friends, co-workers.... First of all, when we are dealing with our > friends with Hep C, we can try to be patient. We can show this > article to our significant others, and hope they will understand > better. People usually are more prone to anger than usual when taking > interferon. Information can help arm us. Then we can start to take > action. > > > > Watch your diet: > > > > First of all, don't drink alcohol! Watch your proteins, especially > if you have cirrhosis. A high protein diet may cause increased levels > of ammonia. Try to get your protein from vegetable rather than animal > sources. Keep your blood alkalized and blood sugar levels stable by > eating a high carbohydrate, low fat and protein diet. Eating bananas > and whole grain foods promote relaxation and sleep. Foods with soy > protein and eggs lead to alertness. Eat your biggest meal in the > early part of the day to avoid restlessness and insomnia. It's good > to keep a journal to see how your eating habits relate to your > emotions, moods, and physical health. Avoid preservatives, > additives, colours and illegal drugs or legal drugs, or at least use > the smallest dose possible. Sugar is a drug, which leads to fat > storage. Fructose may be a better choice. Eliminate white flour > products, fried foods, processed or fast foods, pasteurized and > homogenized dairy products, antibiotic and hormone fed > > animals, addictive substances of all types, and chlorinated or > fluoridated water. > > > > > > Alter your lifestyle: > > > > Smoking by the patient, or even smoke in the atmosphere, will > increase measured levels of ammonia. Did you know that one cigarette > smoked 1 hour before a blood test will increase the blood ammonia? > > > > Avoid all toxins, antacids, any medication with ammonium, and if > possible, sedatives and tranquilizers. Things like chiropractic, > acupuncture, yoga, breathing exercises, visualisation, and/or > meditation can help ease your stress levels. Just like your mother > said: Get as much exercise, fresh air and sunshine as you can. > > > > Calming audiotapes or CDs can help, and there are some good ones > with positive self-talk. It's important to maintain a positive, happy > attitude. Try stress-reducing herbs such as chamomile, thyme, > lavender, lemon balm, calendula, marjoram, peppermint, rosemary, and > St. 's Wort, (there are warnings about taking St. 's Wort > with other anti-depressants) in reasonable amounts, and after > consulting with your doctor. > > > > Channel your anger into something positive, like letter campaigns > for more > > clinical trials, and volunteer work. > > > > Get medical help. At present there is not much the medical > profession will do to help with subclinical neuropsychiatric > complications of Hepatitis C Virus, since many doctors do not > recognize them as such. If, however, you are suffering from clinical > (more serious) encephalopathy, your doctor can be of immense help. > What can a doctor do to treat encephalopathy? Lots! Blood loss can > trigger brain fog. The doctor can stop blood loss from > gastrointestinal bleeds with endoscopy and cauterization. To get rid > of the toxins like ammonia that collect, the physician can prescribe > laxatives, such as Lactulose, and > > enemas. A reduced- or no-protein diet may help, but this is not for > everyone. Tube feedings may be necessary, and Neomycin can reduce > ammonia production by > > intestinal bacteria. If the Hep C is " cured " with interferon or > interferon plus ribavirin, this stops the inflammation and fibrosis, > and, of course, the brain fog. (It can even clear up early > cirrhosis.) Yes, the side effects are uncomfortable, but so is end > stage liver disease. Even if you don't get rid of the virus, the > interferon can slow the progression of cirrhosis. > > Brain function seems to normalize with antiviral treatment. In the > meantime, the doctor can prescribe antidepressants for those on > treatment, where absolutely necessary, since the treatment itself can > cause emotional disorders. Successful transplantation will take care > of brain fog, but the anti-rejection medications can cause mood > swings and anger. Get counselling. > > > > > > One last note: Please, if you notice any change in your mental > state, or in any of your neurological functions, call your doctor. > Hepatic encephalopathy can rapidly become an emergency condition! > > > > > > > > > > > > HepCBC - www.hepcbc.org > > > > > > > > > > Tim Parsons > > > > knoxville,tn 37931 > > > > x107 work > > > > > > www.knoxville1.com > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see > what's on, when. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2010 Report Share Posted December 1, 2010 Connection between Hepatitis C Virus & Anger? November 6, 2000Update on Hepatitis C from the AASLDHarm Reduction Conference . November 2000's Advocate:We've Got Hep C and We're Mad As Hell!Is There A Connection Between Anger and Hepatitis C?By Joan KingPresident HepCBCI don't know about you, but I've never run into a group of "unreasonably" angry people in my life like some of those I have encountered in Hep C support groups, both "live" and on the internet. Don't get me wrong. Some of these people are my best friends, but I can't but help feeling there is some sort of physiological connection there. And to be fair, I'll even include myself. Have you felt yourself reacting in a way that you know is illogical? I sure have, especially before treatment. I did a search on the internet to see what I could find. Indeed, I found several sources that linked anger with a diseased liver, and the sources were both holistic and medical. The holistic view is that anger is a negative emotion that can get stuck in the liver, especially a liver that isn't functioning well. The medical point of view is that hepatic encephalopathy, or brain and nervous system damage caused by liver disorders, can cause changes in consciousness, behaviour, and personality. It can even cause coma. It can also cause forgetfulness, confusion, disorientation, delirium, dementia, loss of memory, intellect, reasoning, changes in mood, decreased alertness, daytime sleepiness, progressive stupor, decreased ability to care for oneself, loss of small hand movements, muscle tremors, seizures, speech impairment, a strange musty odour to the breath and urine, and, well, you get the idea. An EEG will show characteristic abnormalities, and blood tests can confirm this phenomenon. No, it's not your imagination.No wonder we're angry! The severe symptoms are usually experienced only with cirrhosis, but two research groups have recently reported that Hepatitis C Virus can affect the brain in people with less advanced disease, even with mild fibrosis. This disorder was not just related to hepatic encephalopathy. In an Austrian test comparing 58 healthy subjects to 58 subjects with Hepatitis C Virus patients without cirrhosis, all of the Hepatitis C Virus patients showed a "subclinical neurophysiological impairment." So maybe my observations aren't a figment of my imagination. The other study, done in the UK, reported that those with Hepatitis C Virus scored worse in "physical and social functioning, energy and fatigue, and other measures," and ruled out any effect of previous IV drug use. Interestingly, the researchers found that patients with mild Hep C were slower in memory tests, but just as accurate as healthy subjects. A test was done in the US on both Hepatitis C Virus positive and negative drug users, and those with Hep C scored higher for depression. So what causes the anger? Is it all-physiological? Maybe some of it is related to dealing with a possibly deadly disease. It may be related to the fatigue or depression caused by Hep C.What is the mechanism that allows the brain to be affected in liver disease?In the case of people with cirrhosis, the liver can no longer convert ammonia, so it collects in the brain. Ammonia is produced by the body when protein is digested. The blood no longer circulates through a diseased liver where it would usually be filtered and detoxified. Toxins can damage the brain and spinal cord. Encephalopathy can be triggered in people with stable liver disease by several things: loss of blood, too much protein, electrolyte imbalances, especially low potassium levels caused by vomiting ordiuretics (eat your bananas!), draining of abdominal fluid, anything that causesalkaline blood pH, low oxygen levels in the body, medications such as barbiturates, tranquilizers, surgery, or any illness.There is a theory that hepatitis C virus may actually invade our central nervous system. Some brain cells normally die and are replenished by circulating monocytes (a type of white blood cell), as many as 30% a year. These monocytes can possibly by infected with Hep C and make their way into the brain, attacking the brain cells and causing neuropsychiatric symptoms. Scary! But this is just a theory. Post-mortem tests are now being done in London on brain tissue. Researchers also suggest that the virus may hide in the brain, where it is safe from attack by antiviral therapy. There seems to be no relationship between the severity of hepatitis and the cerebral symptoms. All this sounds very discouraging. So what can we do? If we are constantly exploding with rage, we will alienate our family members, friends, co-workers.... First of all, when we are dealing with our friends with Hep C, we can try to be patient. We can show this article to our significant others, and hope they will understand better. People usually are more prone to anger than usual when taking interferon. Information can help arm us. Then we can start to take action. Watch your diet:First of all, don't drink alcohol! Watch your proteins, especially if you have cirrhosis. A high protein diet may cause increased levels of ammonia. Try to get your protein from vegetable rather than animal sources. Keep your blood alkalized and blood sugar levels stable by eating a high carbohydrate, low fat and protein diet. Eating bananas and whole grain foods promote relaxation and sleep. Foods with soy protein and eggs lead to alertness. Eat your biggest meal in the early part of the day to avoidrestlessness and insomnia. It's good to keep a journal to see how your eating habitsrelate to your emotions, moods, and physical health. Avoid preservatives,additives, colours and illegal drugs or legal drugs, or at least use the smallest dosepossible. Sugar is a drug, which leads to fat storage. Fructose may be a better choice. Eliminate white flour products, fried foods, processed or fast foods, pasteurized and homogenized dairy products, antibiotic and hormone fed animals, addictive substances of all types, and chlorinated or fluoridated water.Alter your lifestyle:Smoking by the patient, or even smoke in the atmosphere, will increase measured levels of ammonia. Did you know that one cigarette smoked 1 hour before a blood test will increase the blood ammonia?Avoid all toxins, antacids, any medication with ammonium, and if possible, sedatives and tranquilizers. Things like chiropractic, acupuncture, yoga, breathing exercises, visualisation, and/or meditation can help ease your stress levels. Just like your mother said: Get as much exercise, fresh air and sunshine as you can.Calming audiotapes or CDs can help, and there are some good ones with positive self-talk. It's important to maintain a positive, happy attitude. Try stress-reducing herbs such as chamomile, thyme, lavender, lemon balm, calendula, marjoram, peppermint, rosemary, and St. 's Wort, (there are warnings about taking St. 's Wort with other anti-depressants) in reasonable amounts, and after consulting with your doctor.Channel your anger into something positive, like letter campaigns for moreclinical trials, and volunteer work.Get medical help. At present there is not much the medical profession will do to help with subclinical neuropsychiatric complications of Hepatitis C Virus, since many doctors do not recognize them as such. If, however, you are suffering from clinical (more serious) encephalopathy, your doctor can be of immense help. What can a doctor do to treat encephalopathy? Lots! Blood loss can trigger brain fog. The doctor can stop blood loss from gastrointestinal bleeds with endoscopy and cauterization. To get rid of the toxins like ammonia that collect, the physician can prescribe laxatives, such as Lactulose, andenemas. A reduced- or no-protein diet may help, but this is not for everyone. Tube feedings may be necessary, and Neomycin can reduce ammonia production byintestinal bacteria. If the Hep C is "cured" with interferon or interferon plus ribavirin, this stops the inflammation and fibrosis, and, of course, the brain fog. (It can even clear up early cirrhosis.) Yes, the side effects are uncomfortable, but so is end stage liver disease. Even if you don't get rid of the virus, the interferon can slow the progression of cirrhosis. Brain function seems to normalize with antiviral treatment. In the meantime, the doctor can prescribe antidepressants for those on treatment, where absolutely necessary, since the treatment itself can cause emotional disorders. Successful transplantation will take care of brain fog, but the anti-rejection medications can cause mood swings and anger. Get counselling.One last note: Please, if you notice any change in your mental state, or in any of your neurological functions, call your doctor. Hepatic encephalopathy can rapidly become an emergency condition! HepCBC - www.hepcbc.org http://www.heart-intl.net/HEART/Hepatitis/Comp/ConnectionbetweenHCr.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2010 Report Share Posted December 2, 2010 The OPC-10 and Nat-Cell Thymus put a smile on my face! So much so, my husband started taking it and he doesn't even have HCV. At 07:18 PM 12/1/2010, you wrote: > > >Connection between Hepatitis C Virus & Anger? > >November 6, 2000 >Update on Hepatitis C from the AASLD > >Harm Reduction Conference . November 2000's Advocate: >We've Got Hep C and We're Mad As Hell! > >Is There A Connection Between Anger and Hepatitis C? > >By Joan King >President HepCBC > >I don't know about you, but I've never run into >a group of " unreasonably " angry people in my >life like some of those I have encountered in >Hep C support groups, both " live " and on the >internet. Don't get me wrong. Some of these >people are my best friends, but I can't but help >feeling there is some sort of physiological >connection there. And to be fair, I'll even >include myself. Have you felt yourself reacting >in a way that you know is illogical? I sure >have, especially before treatment. I did a >search on the internet to see what I could find. >Indeed, I found several sources that linked >anger with a diseased liver, and the sources >were both holistic and medical. The holistic >view is that anger is a negative emotion that >can get stuck in the liver, especially a liver that isn't functioning well. > >The medical point of view is that hepatic >encephalopathy, or brain and nervous system >damage caused by liver disorders, can cause >changes in consciousness, behaviour, and >personality. It can even cause coma. It can >also cause forgetfulness, confusion, >disorientation, delirium, dementia, loss of >memory, intellect, reasoning, changes in >mood, decreased alertness, daytime sleepiness, >progressive stupor, decreased ability to care >for oneself, loss of small hand movements, >muscle tremors, seizures, speech impairment, a >strange musty odour to the breath and urine, >and, well, you get the idea. An EEG will show >characteristic abnormalities, and blood tests >can confirm this phenomenon. No, it's not your imagination. > >No wonder we're angry! The severe symptoms are >usually experienced only with cirrhosis, but two >research groups have recently reported that >Hepatitis C Virus can affect the brain in people >with less advanced disease, even with >mild fibrosis. This disorder was not just >related to hepatic encephalopathy. In an >Austrian test comparing 58 healthy subjects to >58 subjects with Hepatitis C Virus patients >without cirrhosis, all of the Hepatitis C Virus >patients showed a " subclinical >neurophysiological impairment. " So maybe my >observations aren't a figment of my imagination. >The other study, done in the UK, reported that >those with Hepatitis C Virus scored worse in > " physical and social functioning, energy and >fatigue, and other measures, " and ruled out any >effect of previous IV drug use. Interestingly, >the researchers found that patients with mild >Hep C were slower in memory tests, but just as >accurate as healthy subjects. A test was done in >the US on both Hepatitis C Virus positive and >negative drug users, and those with Hep C scored higher for depression. > >So what causes the anger? Is it >all-physiological? Maybe some of it is related >to dealing with a possibly deadly disease. It >may be related to the fatigue or depression caused by Hep C. > >What is the mechanism that allows the brain to be affected in liver disease? >In the case of people with cirrhosis, the liver >can no longer convert ammonia, so it collects in >the brain. Ammonia is produced by the body when >protein is digested. The blood no longer >circulates through a diseased liver where it >would usually be filtered and detoxified. Toxins >can damage the brain and spinal cord. >Encephalopathy can be triggered in people with >stable liver disease by several things: loss of >blood, too much protein, electrolyte >imbalances, especially low potassium levels caused by vomiting or >diuretics (eat your bananas!), draining of >abdominal fluid, anything that causes >alkaline blood pH, low oxygen levels in the >body, medications such as barbiturates, tranquilizers, surgery, or any illness. > >There is a theory that hepatitis C virus may >actually invade our central nervous system. Some >brain cells normally die and are replenished by >circulating monocytes (a type of white blood >cell), as many as 30% a year. These monocytes >can possibly by infected with Hep C and make >their way into the brain, attacking the brain >cells and causing neuropsychiatric symptoms. >Scary! But this is just a theory. Post-mortem >tests are now being done in London on brain >tissue. Researchers also suggest that the virus >may hide in the brain, where it is safe from >attack by antiviral therapy. There seems to be >no relationship between the severity of hepatitis and the cerebral symptoms. > >All this sounds very discouraging. So what can >we do? If we are constantly exploding with rage, >we will alienate our family members, friends, >co-workers.... First of all, when we are dealing >with our friends with Hep C, we can try to be >patient. We can show this article to our >significant others, and hope they will >understand better. People usually are more prone >to anger than usual when taking interferon. >Information can help arm us. Then we can start to take action. > >Watch your diet: > >First of all, don't drink alcohol! Watch your >proteins, especially if you have cirrhosis. A >high protein diet may cause increased levels of >ammonia. Try to get your protein from vegetable >rather than animal sources. Keep your blood >alkalized and blood sugar levels stable by >eating a high carbohydrate, low fat and protein >diet. Eating bananas and whole grain foods >promote relaxation and sleep. Foods with soy >protein and eggs lead to alertness. Eat your >biggest meal in the early part of the day to avoid >restlessness and insomnia. It's good to keep a >journal to see how your eating habits >relate to your emotions, moods, and physical health. Avoid preservatives, >additives, colours and illegal drugs or legal >drugs, or at least use the smallest dose >possible. Sugar is a drug, which leads to fat >storage. Fructose may be a better choice. >Eliminate white flour products, fried foods, >processed or fast foods, pasteurized and >homogenized dairy products, antibiotic and >hormone fed animals, addictive substances of all >types, and chlorinated or fluoridated water. > >Alter your lifestyle: > >Smoking by the patient, or even smoke in the >atmosphere, will increase measured levels of >ammonia. Did you know that one cigarette smoked >1 hour before a blood test will increase the blood ammonia? > >Avoid all toxins, antacids, any medication with >ammonium, and if possible, sedatives and >tranquilizers. Things like chiropractic, >acupuncture, yoga, breathing exercises, >visualisation, and/or meditation can help ease >your stress levels. Just like your mother said: >Get as much exercise, fresh air and sunshine as you can. > >Calming audiotapes or CDs can help, and there >are some good ones with positive self-talk. It's >important to maintain a positive, happy >attitude. Try stress-reducing herbs such as >chamomile, thyme, lavender, lemon balm, >calendula, marjoram, peppermint, rosemary, and >St. 's Wort, (there are warnings about >taking St. 's Wort with other >anti-depressants) in reasonable amounts, and after consulting with your doctor. > >Channel your anger into something positive, like letter campaigns for more >clinical trials, and volunteer work. > >Get medical help. At present there is not much >the medical profession will do to help with >subclinical neuropsychiatric complications of >Hepatitis C Virus, since many doctors do not >recognize them as such. If, however, you are >suffering from clinical (more serious) >encephalopathy, your doctor can be of immense >help. What can a doctor do to treat >encephalopathy? Lots! Blood loss can trigger >brain fog. The doctor can stop blood loss from >gastrointestinal bleeds with endoscopy and >cauterization. To get rid of the toxins like >ammonia that collect, the physician can >prescribe laxatives, such as Lactulose, and >enemas. A reduced- or no-protein diet may help, >but this is not for everyone. Tube feedings may >be necessary, and Neomycin can reduce ammonia production by >intestinal bacteria. If the Hep C is " cured " >with interferon or interferon plus ribavirin, >this stops the inflammation and fibrosis, and, >of course, the brain fog. (It can even clear up >early cirrhosis.) Yes, the side effects are >uncomfortable, but so is end stage liver >disease. Even if you don't get rid of the virus, >the interferon can slow the progression of cirrhosis. > >Brain function seems to normalize with antiviral >treatment. In the meantime, the doctor can >prescribe antidepressants for those on >treatment, where absolutely necessary, since the >treatment itself can cause emotional disorders. >Successful transplantation will take care of >brain fog, but the anti-rejection medications >can cause mood swings and anger. Get counselling. > > >One last note: Please, if you notice any change >in your mental state, or in any of your >neurological functions, call your doctor. >Hepatic encephalopathy can rapidly become an emergency condition! >HepCBC - <http://www.hepcbc.org>www.hepcbc.org > >http://www.heart-intl.net/HEART/Hepatitis/Comp/ConnectionbetweenHCr.htm > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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