Throwing up

November 20, 2006

Hello

Wow

You are doing great. I had my surgery on April 24, 2006. I have

had 4 adjustments and ready to schedule another. I have lost 101

pounds and still at a large weight of 290. I can tell through my

clothes I have lost weight. I was in 28 and now a 22/24, When I

look in the mirror and see myself though I do not see a lot of

weight gone. I am 42 and overweight my entire life and still look

at myself as just as big as ever.

I like you vomit alot and my dr. said the same as yours. It is my

eating. I am just eating to much and should only be eating 2 or 3

bites. I stil find myself putting the same amount of food on my

plate but I can not eat it all. Usually I do throw up cause I am

eating to much. I do not ever taste bile, just the food and slimy

stuff. I have also been sick while driving. My son absolutely will

not let me eat in car because I do over eat and get sick. Your Dr.

is a far drive. How many adjustments have you been able to get. I

had my surgery and did not get my first fill for almost 8 weeks due

to the dr. had no appointments available. Oh well. I seen we had a

lot in commomn and wanted to tell you what a terrific job you have

done so far. Good luck.

Take care

leigh ann smith

>

> I had my banding on June 22, 2006. I have lost 92 lbs. I'm very

> happy, but I am still throwing up very often. One day I'm fine

and

> the next I will throw up the same thing that I ate yesterday.

Another

> day, may throw up every meal that I eat. Sometimes, i just spit

up

> slimey stuff, but there are times when I throw it all up. I never

> taste or see any bile from my stomach. I talked to the doctor's

office

> a couple months ago and we decided that it was the way was eating

> (still a fat person wanting to eat.) My problem is that I live in

> Tulsa and my doctor is in Dallas. Is this just normal for some

> people? Or is it still just a fat person's eating habits? I feel

> great. My primary care physician keeps a close watch on my blood

work

> and everything is OK except my thyroid, but I've had a low thyroid

for

> 26 years.

>

November 20, 2006

Hello

Just wanted to say I have lost 101 pounds and had surgery April 24,

2006. My Dr. told me I am right on target. I did start at a large

weight of 390. That is part of why the weight came off so fast. I

am still losing fast. I have lost 24 pounds since Sept 27, 2006

when I had my last fill. I do throw up a lot and I know it is from

overeating. My brain has to catch up to where my stomach and

banding tool needs are. I am 42 and my thinking will change but it

will not happen overnight. It took me 42 years to get where I am

and it is not going to change in 6 months. I know I should not put

so much food on my plate and I always ate when depressed and used

food as a crutch. Sometimes I find myself still using food and

eating when not hundry and overeating. I have to change these

habits. The band is a tool and it is to help me lose the weight but

I have to change my thinking as well. I am seeing a counselor now

and hope that helps. I have to learn to not use food when sad,

unhappy etc.

Oh well-just wanted to comment that I have lost a large amount of

weight in a short time, but my Dr said I am healthier now than I

have been in years. So I guess I am doing something kind of right.

Losing weight and changing eating habits are hard and it will take

time. I just can not do it as fast as some can. We are all

different and our bodies are all different as well. Some will lose

faster, slower, vomit, not vomit, have band problems etc. Not all

will succeeed, I hope all do though

leigh ann

>

> I have to agree. It isnt normal to throw up every meal. You are

eating too fast..not chewing enough and taking too big bites. Its

also not normal to lose an average of 5 lbs a week without bypass

surgery. I hope that you are taking a lot of vitamins and

supplements for your nutrition because I cant imagine how you can be

getting enough nutrition in if you are throwing up everything.

Think about it..its basically the same as being bulimic and if it

continues for too long you will damage your body the same as an

anorexic or bulimic does. From what you said you are losing weight

through starvation and that is not what the band is designed for.

>

> -------------- Original message ----------------------

> From: " keefepa2 " <keefepa2@...>

> > I had my banding on June 22, 2006. I have lost 92 lbs. I'm

very

> > happy, but I am still throwing up very often. One day I'm fine

and

> > the next I will throw up the same thing that I ate yesterday.

Another

> > day, may throw up every meal that I eat. Sometimes, i just

spit up

> > slimey stuff, but there are times when I throw it all up. I

never

> > taste or see any bile from my stomach. I talked to the doctor's

office

> > a couple months ago and we decided that it was the way was

eating

> > (still a fat person wanting to eat.) My problem is that I live

in

> > Tulsa and my doctor is in Dallas. Is this just normal for some

> > people? Or is it still just a fat person's eating habits? I

feel

> > great. My primary care physician keeps a close watch on my

blood work

> > and everything is OK except my thyroid, but I've had a low

thyroid for

> > 26 years.

> >

>

November 20, 2006

> >

> > I was banded on December 27, 2006, I'm very

> > happy, but I am still throwing up

>

> lol Dont you mean 2005?

>

> What you discribe sounds more like a PB, Its awfull isnt it if you

try

> and stop your self throwing up the saliva just builds up and up

untill

> eventually its too heavy to stay down. I had just eaten ones and

was

> feeling the weight build up and i was driving on the motorway it

was

> impossable for me to stop infact dangerus. I tried to get to a

service

> station but i didnt make it and the food and saliva just pumped

out of

> while i was doing my best to keep control of the car.

>

> I have never heard of any one having surgery to fix it. My problem

> right now is constant unbareable heartburn.

>

November 20, 2006

Hi Dan

I find that I find help in your comments and was curious about

something. This is not a pleasent subject but here goes anyway, I

only have one or sometimes two bowel movements a week. Is this

normal or should I speak with my dr. about it. I do not want to go

to my dr. with it if it is something normal going on. I know if you

do not put as much in as much will not come out and that is what I

figured is going on but I am not sure that is it. I look forward to

your reply as you seem to know alot about the band and what we go

through. I have only been banded since April of this year and have

lost 100 pounds, I still have a long way to go. I started at 390

and am now 290. I would like to get to 160 or 170. Heck I have

been so big my entire life I would be tickled to get to 200 pounds.

Do most people meet there goal within 2 years

Take Care

Leigh Ann

>

> > I still do exactly what you describe, except that most of what I

> > throw up is the slimey stuff. I even had sinus surgery to try to

> > eliminate the drainage, but it's still there (also there's less

of

> > it now). Anyway, I've just about decided that I must be one of

> > those people who will always have this problem, and am trying to

learn to live with it.

>

> Slime is a result of you getting something stuck, eating too much,

> eating too fast, eating the wrong things. It has NOTHING TO DO

WITH

> SINUS DRAINAGE.

>

> When something gets stuck, your body does what is natural for it to

> do....try to get it moving. That means your ENTIRE

gastrointestinal

> system goes into high gear. First, it does when you get something

> stuck in other areas....you lubricate it. How does your body

produce

> lubricant to get something through your stoma? Easy. Slippery

> fluids. Mucus. Saliva. Tears. Mucus from your sinuses and

elsewhere.

>

> You may also notice, as many do, that it gets your ENTIRE system

> going. You may find that you have to head to the bathroom to poop

as

> well as to slime. Nothing like sitting on the toilet pooping when

you

> need to barf up some slime at the same time. Been there, done

that.

>

> It is NOT a good thing to do. You REALLY need to work on your

eating

> patterns, speed, bite size, etc. You should NEVER slime, or at

least

> no more than once a month if you get careless. It is always

harder to

> focus on what you're eating, and how you're eating, and especially

> when some hot new guy is across the table. But focus on HIM, and

> become one of those women who can spend an hour eating a little bit

> off the plate. If you're talking to him, focusing on him, PUT YOUR

> HANDS IN YOUR LAP (OR IN HIS) so you CAN'T engage in mindless

eating.

>

> Your health, your band, and your social life will improve, I

promise.

>

> dan

>

> --

> Dan Lester, Boise, ID honu@... www.mylapband.tk

> Dr. Ortiz, Tijuana, 4/28/03

> 323/209/199 Age 63 The road goes on forever.....

>

November 20, 2006

Monday, November 20, 2006, 3:01:56 PM, you wrote:

> I find that I find help in your comments and was curious about

> something. This is not a pleasent subject but here goes anyway, I

> only have one or sometimes two bowel movements a week. Is this

Hey, as the bumper stickers say, S..T HAPPENS. To all of us. I don't

find your bowel patterns unusual. You're eating MUCH less food, and

therefore your system doesn't have nearly as much to handle. As long

as you're not becoming real constipated, having pain with the

movements, etc, I don't think it is a problem.

I know there are people who think " if you don't have a bowel movement

every day you must be sick and you must do something to make that

happen " . Nonsense.

> normal or should I speak with my dr. about it. I do not want to go

> to my dr. with it if it is something normal going on. I know if you

> do not put as much in as much will not come out and that is what I

> figured is going on but I am not sure that is it.

You got it. In my experience I've become a bit more frequent (maybe

every other day) over the years, which may be from continuing change

in eating habits, some from more exercise, some perhaps from

everything in there shrinking.

> I look forward to

> your reply as you seem to know alot about the band and what we go

> through. I have only been banded since April of this year and have

> lost 100 pounds, I still have a long way to go. I started at 390

> and am now 290. I would like to get to 160 or 170. Heck I have

> been so big my entire life I would be tickled to get to 200 pounds.

> Do most people meet there goal within 2 years

That's great. The larger you are, the faster you lose. I will say

that having started at 355 a few months before banding that I know

I'll never get to a " normal " BMI of 25, even if I had more plastic

surgery, which I don't plan to do. For me that would be 174 (height of

5-10). My goal is 190 instead of the 199 shown below, but I'll be

VERY happy to get into, and stay in, " the ones " .

When you get down even lower you'll find ever more loose flab, and

that will not go away without surgery. It is just like a balloon that

has been stretched and will never go back to the original size. And,

fat cells never go away, they just shrink, so are still there.

And...keep on keeping on...and don't set yourself too low of a goal.

My first goal was 222, a nice 101 below the 323 at which I was banded.

But my goal keeps moving down.

All too many women think they can get " back to what I was at my junior

prom " (assuming they weren't overweight then). Not likely to happen,

at least without a bunch of plastic surgery, etc.

dan

--

Dan Lester, Boise, ID honu@... www.mylapband.tk

Dr. Ortiz, Tijuana, 4/28/03

323/209/199 Age 63 The road goes on forever.....

November 20, 2006

Monday, November 20, 2006, 2:54:27 PM, you wrote:

> I am kind of new to the band and was wondering what is PB? I do

> throw up and have while driving. I am doing well but throw up

> almost very meal. Not all that I eat comes up but some does, or it

> will be the slimy stuff.

For those people who are too " dainty " to say barf, puke, vomit, heave,

have a technicolor yawn, worship the porcelain god, etc, etc, they

invented " productive burp " . Well, mine have never been " burps " .

They've been barfing. Yes, from above the stoma, but still barfing.

By definition, vomit is the " forceful expulsion of the contents of

one's stomach through the mouth " . And if you're doing it, it is all

coming from your stomach. Nothing coming up from below the stoma as

there isn't anything there.

So, for the dainty, you can say " pb " all you want....but why not use

the right word for things?

dan, ranting about one of his favorite stupid things

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Dan Lester, Boise, ID honu@... www.mylapband.tk

Dr. Ortiz, Tijuana, 4/28/03

323/209/199 Age 63 The road goes on forever.....

November 20, 2006

PB means productive burp as you will know the vomiting we experience is

differnt from the vomiting that we have say when we was ill. Its more of a

rebound rather than vomit the food does not go down and you can feel it and

like its been said the body tries to dislodge it and the salivia builds up

and just add's to the weight allready in your throat when it becomes too

much and refluxes out. I think the terminoligy will be differnt in the UK

than it is in the US.

>From: " leigh ann smith " <leighann@...>

>Reply-

>

>Subject: Re: throwing up

>Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 21:54:27 -0000

>

> > >

> > > I was banded on December 27, 2006, I'm very

> > > happy, but I am still throwing up

> >

> > lol Dont you mean 2005?

> >

> > What you discribe sounds more like a PB, Its awfull isnt it if you

>try

> > and stop your self throwing up the saliva just builds up and up

>untill

> > eventually its too heavy to stay down. I had just eaten ones and

>was

> > feeling the weight build up and i was driving on the motorway it

>was

> > impossable for me to stop infact dangerus. I tried to get to a

>service

> > station but i didnt make it and the food and saliva just pumped

>out of

> > while i was doing my best to keep control of the car.

> >

> > I have never heard of any one having surgery to fix it. My problem

> > right now is constant unbareable heartburn.

> >

>

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November 20, 2006

>

> > I am kind of new to the band and was wondering what is PB? I do

> > throw up and have while driving. I am doing well but throw up

> > almost very meal. Not all that I eat comes up but some does, or

it

> > will be the slimy stuff.

>

> For those people who are too " dainty " to say barf, puke, vomit,

heave,

> have a technicolor yawn, worship the porcelain god, etc, etc, they

> invented " productive burp " . Well, mine have never been " burps " .

> They've been barfing. Yes, from above the stoma, but still

barfing.

> By definition, vomit is the " forceful expulsion of the contents of

> one's stomach through the mouth " . And if you're doing it, it is

all

> coming from your stomach. Nothing coming up from below the stoma

as

> there isn't anything there.

>

> So, for the dainty, you can say " pb " all you want....but why not

use

> the right word for things?

>

> dan, ranting about one of his favorite stupid things

>

> --

> Dan Lester, Boise, ID honu@... www.mylapband.tk

> Dr. Ortiz, Tijuana, 4/28/03

> 323/209/199 Age 63 The road goes on forever.....

>

See what i mean about terminoligy and national meanings because here

in the UK " dainty " means small like demure. We do

say " belch " " burp " " puke " " throw ya guts up " . and a whole load of

other stuff and we have some right faul terms also i was how ever

under the impression this was a none swearing sight.

Let's get this streght on the whole the experience is universally

known as a PB no matter how ya wanna dress it up. throwing ya ring

up or PB. Its not so much a vomit more and its not really a burp is

it!!!.

Its not nice and like you say some experience it more than others

and no matter how much you chew sometimes it gets stuck. Fiberus

food can be dodgy and stodgy food can also be well dodgy and you may

experience more PBing with fiberus and stodgy foods than you will

with other texture food.

lol dainty crist iv never been referred to as dainty in my intire

life.

November 20, 2006

So, for the dainty, you can say " pb " all you want....but why not use

the right word for things?

dan, ranting about one of his favorite stupid things

AMEN DAN!!!

I never could understand why people came up with the darn PB anyway. It makes

it seem okay to some people. We all should strive not to throw up.

jo

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November 21, 2006

> .

>

Oh get over it for gods sake, There is a huge difference between a

PB and throwing up, Sometimes the food never gets past the asphigus

and if you just bend over the food fall's out. Its a bandster

termanoligy known universally and i wont be dictated to what i can

and cant say. its incredibly rude to be so avasive like that telling

people what they say and do isnt right how dare you i dont like that

if it really does offend you dont read my posts.

Simple as you pair of bullying ignorant twats.

November 21, 2006

Monday, November 20, 2006, 3:53:36 PM, you wrote:

> See what i mean about terminoligy and national meanings because here

> in the UK " dainty " means small like demure.

Well, " demure " doesn't mean small:

coy: affectedly modest or shy especially in a playful or provocative way

> We do

> say " belch " " burp " " puke " " throw ya guts up " . and a whole load of

> other stuff and we have some right faul terms also i was how ever

> under the impression this was a none swearing sight.

Yeah, no swearing if at all possible. Don't want to offend anyone's

dainty or tender or demure or shy or whatever else.

> Let's get this streght on the whole the experience is universally

> known as a PB no matter how ya wanna dress it up. throwing ya ring

> up or PB. Its not so much a vomit more and its not really a burp is

> it!!!.

Oh, nonsense. It is vomit by definition, no matter how you want to

dress it up. It sure isn't a burp, as note definition of burping:

Burping, also known as belching, ructus or eructation, is the release

of gas from the digestive tract (mainly esophagus and stomach) through

the mouth. It is often audible.

Note that burp means bringing up GAS, not anything else.

> Its not nice and like you say some experience it more than others

> and no matter how much you chew sometimes it gets stuck. Fiberus

> food can be dodgy and stodgy food can also be well dodgy and you may

> experience more PBing with fiberus and stodgy foods than you will

> with other texture food.

Right. What some can eat, others can't, and vice versa.

And for me there are foods I don't think of trying, like clams and

oysters, both of which I love.

dan

--

Dan Lester, Boise, ID honu@... www.mylapband.tk

Dr. Ortiz, Tijuana, 4/28/03

323/209/199 Age 63 The road goes on forever.....

November 21, 2006

Monday, November 20, 2006, 5:01:58 PM, you wrote:

> Thank you so much.

You're very welcome. All we can do is help each other out to the best

of our abilities.

> I called my doctor's office again today and got no

> response. I ate supper and I have not thrown up. I took much smaller

> bites. I always chewed alot but the bites were bigger.

I've gotten in trouble with big bites, which I still struggle with.

One of the things that is problematic for me, especially with big

bites, is jerky. I regularly eat turkey jerky. But I'm also careful

to spit out any piece that doesn't chew up to nothing, as it'll get

stuck. You know, gristle, tough stuff. But if I have a big bite I may

forget to feel every teeny bit of it in my mouth, or think that I'm

only swallowing only the " ok stuff " and let a piece that isn't ok go

down.

> I'm so excited

> right now. I feel great!!! I'm using your advice that when my pouch

> feels plugged, the meal is over. That really slowed me down. Thank

> you, thank you, thank you! BTW I started at 303.5 lbs.

Yes, that slows down. Glad it helped, and keep letting us know how it

is going.

dan

--

Dan Lester, Boise, ID honu@... www.mylapband.tk

Dr. Ortiz, Tijuana, 4/28/03

323/209/199 Age 63 The road goes on forever.....

November 21, 2006

Tuesday, November 21, 2006, 4:15:49 AM, you wrote:

> Oh get over it for gods sake, There is a huge difference between a

> PB and throwing up, Sometimes the food never gets past the asphigus

> and if you just bend over the food fall's out. Its a bandster

> termanoligy known universally and i wont be dictated to what i can

Well, universal means everywhere, and it isn't universal. Tell me a

doctor who uses the term. They may know it, but they don't say it.

They know lots of words for " stool " (meaning what comes out of your

anus), but they won't use them, at least with patients.

> and cant say. its incredibly rude to be so avasive like that telling

> people what they say and do isnt right how dare you i dont like that

> if it really does offend you dont read my posts.

No one is telling you what you can and can't say. We're simply

striving for using the correct terms.

As the owner of this group I read ALL of the posts.

> Simple as you pair of bullying ignorant twats.

And for one who is into using proper terms and not being nasty, you

need to clean it up in the above sentence.

There are two meanings of " twat " , both listed below.

fathead: a man who is a stupid incompetent fool

May be what " twat " means to you, but over here it means:

cunt: obscene terms for female genitals

In fact, to most women I know, even if they will say " the F word " ,

they won't even think of using " the C word " , so clean it up.

And chill out.

dan

--

Dan Lester, Boise, ID honu@... www.mylapband.tk

Dr. Ortiz, Tijuana, 4/28/03

323/209/199 Age 63 The road goes on forever.....

November 21, 2006

>

> > Oh get over it for gods sake, There is a huge difference between

a

> > PB and throwing up, Sometimes the food never gets past the

asphigus

> > and if you just bend over the food fall's out. Its a bandster

> > termanoligy known universally and i wont be dictated to what i

can

>

> Well, universal means everywhere, and it isn't universal. Tell me

a

> doctor who uses the term. They may know it, but they don't say it.

> They know lots of words for " stool " (meaning what comes out of your

> anus), but they won't use them, at least with patients.

>

> > and cant say. its incredibly rude to be so avasive like that

telling

> > people what they say and do isnt right how dare you i dont like

that

> > if it really does offend you dont read my posts.

>

> No one is telling you what you can and can't say. We're simply

> striving for using the correct terms.

>

> As the owner of this group I read ALL of the posts.

>

> > Simple as you pair of bullying ignorant twats.

>

> And for one who is into using proper terms and not being nasty, you

> need to clean it up in the above sentence.

>

> There are two meanings of " twat " , both listed below.

>

> fathead: a man who is a stupid incompetent fool

>

> May be what " twat " means to you, but over here it means:

>

> cunt: obscene terms for female genitals

>

> In fact, to most women I know, even if they will say " the F word " ,

> they won't even think of using " the C word " , so clean it up.

>

> And chill out.

>

> dan

>

> --

> Dan Lester, Boise, ID honu@... www.mylapband.tk

> Dr. Ortiz, Tijuana, 4/28/03

> 323/209/199 Age 63 The road goes on forever.....

>

Yeah means that here also call it a vagina, fanny, penny, mary,

front bum, lady gargen, minge, toot,

Who are you to tell me what words i can and cant use, see i told ya

i wasn't " demure " didn't and lady like well who's messuring what

makes one woman a lady and another not. So if you dont say cunt that

makes you a Lady when cunt is actually a very english word! Like

Bastard in fact now i come to think of every English word is well

mmmmm English i mean its iron that you say im too dainty to say burp

or beltch so i said PB telling me i am using the wrong word and i

should just say it how it is when the very word you used to discribe

some one who turns to plesantarys is completely out of context while

the PB i was using did mean what we all knew it to mean you how ever

said dainty in a sence to mean polite when it actually means small.

Do you get irony! i find that so funny your having ago at me for not

using the right words while your soooooo guilty of it your self

AMEN

November 21, 2006

I agree! You go, Dan.

honu@... wrote:

Tuesday, November 21, 2006, 4:15:49 AM, you wrote:

> Oh get over it for gods sake, There is a huge difference between a

> PB and throwing up, Sometimes the food never gets past the asphigus

> and if you just bend over the food fall's out. Its a bandster

> termanoligy known universally and i wont be dictated to what i can

Well, universal means everywhere, and it isn't universal. Tell me a

doctor who uses the term. They may know it, but they don't say it.

They know lots of words for " stool " (meaning what comes out of your

anus), but they won't use them, at least with patients.

> and cant say. its incredibly rude to be so avasive like that telling

> people what they say and do isnt right how dare you i dont like that

> if it really does offend you dont read my posts.

No one is telling you what you can and can't say. We're simply

striving for using the correct terms.

As the owner of this group I read ALL of the posts.

> Simple as you pair of bullying ignorant twats.

And for one who is into using proper terms and not being nasty, you

need to clean it up in the above sentence.

There are two meanings of " twat " , both listed below.

fathead: a man who is a stupid incompetent fool

May be what " twat " means to you, but over here it means:

cunt: obscene terms for female genitals

In fact, to most women I know, even if they will say " the F word " ,

they won't even think of using " the C word " , so clean it up.

And chill out.

dan

--

Dan Lester, Boise, ID honu@... www.mylapband.tk

Dr. Ortiz, Tijuana, 4/28/03

323/209/199 Age 63 The road goes on forever.....

November 21, 2006

By the way Amen thats not English its latin so use it all ya like

The End

November 21, 2006

<<I had my banding on June 22, 2006. I have lost 92 lbs. I'm very

happy, but I am still throwing up very often. One day I'm fine and

the next I will throw up the same thing that I ate yesterday. Another

day, may throw up every meal that I eat. Sometimes, i just spit up

slimey stuff, but there are times when I throw it all up.>>

Wow, great weight loss but that's a lot of weight off in a short period

of time for a bandster but you must really be feeling full of _iss and

vinegar now huh? Please take it easy with what and how you're eating

though, you shouldn't be slimming or throwing up. I've been lucky not

to have very many " toss ups " .

One thing I've learned is that you've got to pick good cuts of meat and

add sauce if it's dry, especially poultry. I temporarily forgot the

thing about eating only good cuts of meat last week when my hubby

brought home Chinese food. I rarely eat Chinese since being banded but

that beef chow mien smelled SO good! Within the first bite I knew I

could not properly grind the meat to safely pass through the stoma so I

spit it into my napkin and decided to pick my battle elsewhere;-) I

only had a small amount on my plate so I picked through the meat and

gave it to my dogs, took 2 bites of the noodles and was happy to just

satisfy the craving;-) Some folks can't eat pasta, rice or potatoes so

if you feel that you just have to satisfy that craving, take 1 or 2

small bites and wait several minutes to see how it's going to land;-)

First sign of distress..bail out and don't eat anymore of it.

There are so many good things we can eat without slimming but you might

also be a bit too tight. If in doubt, go to Dallas and see your doc or

find one that takes care of band fills around Tulsa area. FYI - if

you feel a piece of food is stuck or you're getting that ick feeling,

try making a hot cup of sweetened mint tea and slowly sip it. Once

that ick feeling passes (usually quickly with the tea) then just cover

your meal up and put it in the refrigerator for another time. I've

ticked off my stoma a couple of times by insisting I keep eating...not

a good idea because then it swelled up and I quickly found out who the

boss was;-)

Kem in Eugene

Dr. Neal 8.6.04

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November 21, 2006

Boy Dan I sure hope you are sending us this post to show us the reasons why you

aren't going to allow her to be member any longer.

She has gone off the deep end and really isn't helping anyone on this board do

you think?

Just my opinion... :-)

Audrey

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