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Jim, Thanks!]

I will bring my 'chapter 23' with me. Jim Hattons' stuff is being printed

while I write!!

Thank you all - will keep you posted! wendy, in canada

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,

Tom is so lucky to have you for a mom! One of these

days (soon I hope), he is going to realize just how special

you are and how lucky he is to have such a wonderful mom!

You and Tom will be in my thoughts and prayers!

Take care and know that everyone here is cheering you on.

mary from La.

" W. Birk " wrote:

> From: " W. Birk " <wb4@...>

>

> Hello everyone,

>

> RECAP: For the newbies on the list: my son, Tom(e), 16, has been charged

> with assaulting staff at his group home several months ago. The first time

> that police were called in, the officer threatened Tom by forcing him to sit

> on the other bed in tom's room, which was considered contaminated by Tom.

> When the officer pushed Tom, Tom pushed back resulting in him being charged

> with assalting an officer. Every time the police were called after this,

> they were brutal with tom. One time, the last, they made a decision to

> encarcerate him for 2 nights in the adult cells. They knew NOTHING about

> Tom, why he didnt live at home, why he resisted peoples touch, etc. At firs

> they wouldnt allow anyone in to see him and gave me a hard time re: meds. He

> did get some, but not all and not on time. He also was suicidal, but they

> didnt do anything. I was finally allowed to see him his second day and

> conducted serious crisis intervention with him. He had managed to boss back

> his ocd re: public place (bed, toilet, sink) but spent hours thinking of

> ways to injure himself. His lawyer is supplied free for the initial 3

> hours, and then we pay. She was reffered by an organization for people with

> disabilities. Its called REACH.

>

> Tom can become violent if not allowed to fulfil his compulsions. For

> example, if I wont cut his hair when he wants me to - He will beat me. He

> needs to know everything, and if he is not getting answers (not reassurance

> questions) he becomes aggitated, and acts out! I have been putting up with

> this since he was very little but diagnosed his ocd only 3+ years ago. It

> was confirmed by pro's afterwards, btw.

>

> UPDATE:

> Tomorrow is the first day of court for Tom. He called his lawyer and she

> said that in most cases (the certification from Society re:anger

> management) doesnt need to be presented in the court, she just has to tell

> them about it. There are 5 charges, 4 assault and one shoplifting which I

> havent figured out yet!! The lawyer is making me nervous, I can imagine how

> Tom feels!! She thought that it would be a good idea for me to bring my

> journal - but she doesnt realize that its a couple of binders and several

> packages of info from the internet not yet downloaded!!! I guess that makes

> tonight an all nighter!!

>

> THANKS YOU ALL for being here. I need you to keep me fighting. In

> general, I am feeling very positive, and that helps! My life always seems to

> be two steps forward and one step back!!

>

> I'll keep you up to date .... with hope, wendy in canada

>

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[Guest guest]

Don't forget Jim Hatton's primer at www.angelfire.com/il/TeenOCD

Also, please printout Chapter 23 from Dr. J's text. [sorry that is the only

Chapter I have seen. Kathy H has it and may be able to suggest other

Chapters as well.]

What Chapter 23 points out is that OCD Hoarders and Clutterers can be moved

to anger and violent response when someone tries to do something with their

'stuff'. This might show that even mild mannered chocolate eaters like me

might become violent.

Good Luck-- Our prayers are with you on this first day of the New Year

jim.

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, Thank you for the up-date on Tom(e) is he bi-polar? Take care

of yourself.Beth in IN.

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> From: " W. Birk " <wb4@...>

>

>

> Hello everyone,

>

> RECAP: For the newbies on the list: my son, Tom(e), 16, has been charged

> with assaulting staff at his group home several months ago. The first time

> that police were called in, the officer threatened Tom by forcing him to

sit

> on the other bed in tom's room, which was considered contaminated by Tom.

> When the officer pushed Tom, Tom pushed back resulting in him being

charged

> with assalting an officer. Every time the police were called after this,

> they were brutal with tom. One time, the last, they made a decision to

> encarcerate him for 2 nights in the adult cells. They knew NOTHING about

> Tom, why he didnt live at home, why he resisted peoples touch, etc. At

firs

> they wouldnt allow anyone in to see him and gave me a hard time re: meds.

He

> did get some, but not all and not on time. He also was suicidal, but they

> didnt do anything. I was finally allowed to see him his second day and

> conducted serious crisis intervention with him. He had managed to boss

back

> his ocd re: public place (bed, toilet, sink) but spent hours thinking of

> ways to injure himself. His lawyer is supplied free for the initial 3

> hours, and then we pay. She was reffered by an organization for people

with

> disabilities. Its called REACH.

>

> Tom can become violent if not allowed to fulfil his compulsions. For

> example, if I wont cut his hair when he wants me to - He will beat me. He

> needs to know everything, and if he is not getting answers (not

reassurance

> questions) he becomes aggitated, and acts out! I have been putting up with

> this since he was very little but diagnosed his ocd only 3+ years ago. It

> was confirmed by pro's afterwards, btw.

>

> UPDATE:

> Tomorrow is the first day of court for Tom. He called his lawyer and she

> said that in most cases (the certification from Society

re:anger

> management) doesnt need to be presented in the court, she just has to tell

> them about it. There are 5 charges, 4 assault and one shoplifting which I

> havent figured out yet!! The lawyer is making me nervous, I can imagine

how

> Tom feels!! She thought that it would be a good idea for me to bring my

> journal - but she doesnt realize that its a couple of binders and several

> packages of info from the internet not yet downloaded!!! I guess that

makes

> tonight an all nighter!!

>

> THANKS YOU ALL for being here. I need you to keep me fighting. In

> general, I am feeling very positive, and that helps! My life always seems

to

> be two steps forward and one step back!!

>

> I'll keep you up to date .... with hope, wendy in canada

>

> > You may subscribe to the OCD-L by emailing

> listserv@... .

> In the body of your message write:

> subscribe OCD-L your name.

> The archives for the OCD and

> Parenting List may be accessed by going to

> .

> Enter your email address and password.

> Click on the highlighted list name and then click on index.

>

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Dear ,

You and Tom will be in my prayers. Stay strong and be gentle to yourself.

God Bless You and Tom,

Patti

[Guest guest]

,

We will be keeping you and Tom in our thoughts here in San Diego. Good Luck.

Joy

[Guest guest]

Hello all!

Well, it ended up that today was for shoplifting. Tom kept returning to

his group home last winter and often there wasn't any staff to let him

inside. He arrived every day at 2:45. They needed to pick up another

resident at 3, and sometimes the staff was so stupid they would leave early

and forget about him. I still dont know why, but tom went to warm up in

WalMart one time and shoplifted a t-shirt and something else, I cant

remember. He was caught. The security guard reached to take away tom's

knapsack, which is a big NO-NO for tom. The guard grabbed it away from him,

making tom very anxious. Then the guard asked where his parents are, and he

said that he didnt live with them... and received insults for that...

anyway, tom admits that he stole, first time and last, but I dont know WHY

he did it....

Tomorrow the crown attorney is the same one as today so both things will go

to trial. Tomorrow is the assault against staff #1. The lawyer, btw, doesnt

know any details about the shoplifting, said to plead guilty to shoplifting

and not guilty to assault. The staff felt that he was reactive, and tom

should get off... we'll see... The lawyer suggested that she postpone as

much as possible so that tom has the opportunity to demenstrate continued

possitive change...

Sept 30th another assault on staff, same group home. Oct. 4th is the

biggie: the assault against the officer.

I will continue to keep you all posted.... thanks again for all your

encouragement and prayers....

wendy, in canada

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TC,

What a good idea!! Tom comes home Wednesday afternoons and weekends, I'll

pass this post on to him and let him think about it. I like the kids to be

'gently' encouraged - but with a bit of suggestive pushing!!!

Thanks TC - I think that I live on a constant adrenalin rush!!

wendy, in canada!

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Thanks for keeping us updated. You hang in there!!(I

know you will because you are a fighter) You and Tom

are in my prayers. Remember, with 2 steps forward and

one step back, you are always ahead!!

Take Care,

in PA

--- " W. Birk " <wb4@...> wrote:

> From: " W. Birk " <wb4@...>

>

>

> Hello everyone,

>

> RECAP: For the newbies on the list: my son,

> Tom(e), 16, has been charged

> with assaulting staff at his group home several

> months ago. The first time

> that police were called in, the officer threatened

> Tom by forcing him to sit

> on the other bed in tom's room, which was considered

> contaminated by Tom.

> When the officer pushed Tom, Tom pushed back

> resulting in him being charged

> with assalting an officer. Every time the police

> were called after this,

> they were brutal with tom. One time, the last, they

> made a decision to

> encarcerate him for 2 nights in the adult cells.

> They knew NOTHING about

> Tom, why he didnt live at home, why he resisted

> peoples touch, etc. At firs

> they wouldnt allow anyone in to see him and gave me

> a hard time re: meds. He

> did get some, but not all and not on time. He also

> was suicidal, but they

> didnt do anything. I was finally allowed to see him

> his second day and

> conducted serious crisis intervention with him. He

> had managed to boss back

> his ocd re: public place (bed, toilet, sink) but

> spent hours thinking of

> ways to injure himself. His lawyer is supplied free

> for the initial 3

> hours, and then we pay. She was reffered by an

> organization for people with

> disabilities. Its called REACH.

>

> Tom can become violent if not allowed to fulfil

> his compulsions. For

> example, if I wont cut his hair when he wants me to

> - He will beat me. He

> needs to know everything, and if he is not getting

> answers (not reassurance

> questions) he becomes aggitated, and acts out! I

> have been putting up with

> this since he was very little but diagnosed his ocd

> only 3+ years ago. It

> was confirmed by pro's afterwards, btw.

>

> UPDATE:

> Tomorrow is the first day of court for Tom. He

> called his lawyer and she

> said that in most cases (the certification from

> Society re:anger

> management) doesnt need to be presented in the

> court, she just has to tell

> them about it. There are 5 charges, 4 assault and

> one shoplifting which I

> havent figured out yet!! The lawyer is making me

> nervous, I can imagine how

> Tom feels!! She thought that it would be a good

> idea for me to bring my

> journal - but she doesnt realize that its a couple

> of binders and several

> packages of info from the internet not yet

> downloaded!!! I guess that makes

> tonight an all nighter!!

>

> THANKS YOU ALL for being here. I need you to keep

> me fighting. In

> general, I am feeling very positive, and that helps!

> My life always seems to

> be two steps forward and one step back!!

>

> I'll keep you up to date .... with hope, wendy in

> canada

>

> ---------------------------

[Guest guest]

,

It's hard to imagine that you have been through so much and yet you still have

enough energy to give the list the needed support. I really admire your spirit

and energy.

Regarding to Tom's trouble and violent tendency, here is my one cent of ideas.

I wonder if you can make some note cards to briefly describe the problem and the

touchy issues with contact names and phone numbers. Have Tom carry these cards

with him. When Tom feels irritated or offended, show the card to the offending

person before he blows up. Hopefully, the other person would get some messages

from the card and avoid the conflict. Of course, this could be too ideal.

First, Tom may not like to show the card when he is upset. Second, there are so

many narrow minded people and would not comprehend things they have not

experienced yet. Therefore, Tom might even get insults from them instead of

cooperations.

, best luck on the coming legal fights. Take care.

TC

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http://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/results?term=candida

There is a list of trial for candida infection.

I wonder if somebody was in such trial before.

And what is the result?