Guest guest Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 Anne- Thank you. I did briefly research this because I am so tired of being sick and tired... I am also tired of doctors telling me, " This is going to be it " and when I use " it " I either feel real good for about a week and then I feel like poo-poo on the shoe or it just makes me feel worse... I did read that about chlorella with use with cilantro... Disturbed this 'practitioner' didn't tell me that.. My other concern is that I still have mercury fillings. She said using the cilantro will open up my cartoird (sp??) artery so the toxins can escape as need be... I would never use iodine and cilantro at the same time... I was just trying to use one product and I know I need iodine because of the nodules on my thyroid... Overall, I would just like to get rid of this anxiety that I have been challenged with for over a year and feel 'normal' again... Lori > > > I had a Nutrition Response Test done last week and went back for my > > results... > > > > The body scan showed two brain stressors: > > Mercury and parasites > > > > She recommended Tinture of Cilantro > > > > My question is this, as someone who is considering using iodine > > (for nodules) doesn't iodine detox mercury, too? > > Weighing my options at this point... > > > > Thank you! > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2011 Report Share Posted January 21, 2011 Yes it does but I have used both when I had my amalgams removed. You should use something with it to carry it out like chlorella. Steph Mercury I had a Nutrition Response Test done last week and went back for my results...The body scan showed two brain stressors:Mercury and parasitesShe recommended Tinture of CilantroMy question is this, as someone who is considering using iodine (for nodules) doesn't iodine detox mercury, too?Weighing my options at this point...Thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2011 Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 So each time you have an amalgam removed(I have 4 appts scheduled to take care of all mine) should you take cilantro or just chlorella? How much/how often? Any substitutes for chlorella? Thanks Marcy > > > > > > > I had a Nutrition Response Test done last week and went back > > for my > > > > results... > > > > > > > > The body scan showed two brain stressors: > > > > Mercury and parasites > > > > > > > > She recommended Tinture of Cilantro > > > > > > > > My question is this, as someone who is considering using iodine > > > > (for nodules) doesn't iodine detox mercury, too? > > > > Weighing my options at this point... > > > > > > > > Thank you! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2011 Report Share Posted January 22, 2011 I am not really qualified to answer this question. For what it is worth, I would not take cilantro till all the amalgams are gone, but I would take chlorella & /or modified citrus pectin continuously until several months after the fillings are gone. (My sense is that they are more passive, & mop up mercury that is released without forcing any to be released.) And I would gradually add cilantro to the mix after the last one is out.I would also increase antioxidants as much as possible -- particularly vitamin C. I am a fan of liposomal C, which you can make at home & take in large quantities without gut problems. (Alpha lipoic acid is supposed to be a big help with chelation, but some people feel ill taking it, & some people don't, & some can only take it once every 4 hours to prevent redistribution.)As I recall, you haven't started the iodine protocol yet, but are planning to. I am one of the cowardly folks that started with a really low dose of iodine & worked her way up. You could do that at the same time, I think. The iodine protocol helps with detox, as long as you take the companion nutrients. There are stronger chelators that I would hesitate to combine with starting the iodine protocol, but if you are sticking with the herbals, I think you could. Just pay attention, & back off if you have any uncomfortable detox symptoms.But as I say, I am totally unqualified to advise you, & am just giving you my best guess. There are a lot of variables, & a lot of conflicting theories.AnneOn Jan 22, 2011, at 6:59 PM, marcyzram wrote: So each time you have an amalgam removed(I have 4 appts scheduled to take care of all mine) should you take cilantro or just chlorella? How much/how often? Any substitutes for chlorella? Thanks Marcy > > > > > > > I had a Nutrition Response Test done last week and went back > > for my > > > > results... > > > > > > > > The body scan showed two brain stressors: > > > > Mercury and parasites > > > > > > > > She recommended Tinture of Cilantro > > > > > > > > My question is this, as someone who is considering using iodine > > > > (for nodules) doesn't iodine detox mercury, too? > > > > Weighing my options at this point... > > > > > > > > Thank you! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 My experience says I would only chelate with the Cutler Protocol.Any other chelation protocol redistributes the metals.Andys keeps them moving out. Low and slow but it worksHis Book http://www.noamalgam.comTake a look for info in the group files of frequent-dose-chelation or AutismMercury Files for lots of good info.Also http://livingnetwork.co.za/chelationnetworkWe have been doing it for a few years with my daughter. Its been a remarkable journey. SimoneOn 2011-01-22, at 11:28 PM, Anne Seals wrote: I am not really qualified to answer this question. For what it is worth, I would not take cilantro till all the amalgams are gone, but I would take chlorella & /or modified citrus pectin continuously until several months after the fillings are gone. (My sense is that they are more passive, & mop up mercury that is released without forcing any to be released.) And I would gradually add cilantro to the mix after the last one is out.I would also increase antioxidants as much as possible -- particularly vitamin C. I am a fan of liposomal C, which you can make at home & take in large quantities without gut problems. (Alpha lipoic acid is supposed to be a big help with chelation, but some people feel ill taking it, & some people don't, & some can only take it once every 4 hours to prevent redistribution.)As I recall, you haven't started the iodine protocol yet, but are planning to. I am one of the cowardly folks that started with a really low dose of iodine & worked her way up. You could do that at the same time, I think. The iodine protocol helps with detox, as long as you take the companion nutrients. There are stronger chelators that I would hesitate to combine with starting the iodine protocol, but if you are sticking with the herbals, I think you could. Just pay attention, & back off if you have any uncomfortable detox symptoms.But as I say, I am totally unqualified to advise you, & am just giving you my best guess. There are a lot of variables, & a lot of conflicting theories.AnneOn Jan 22, 2011, at 6:59 PM, marcyzram wrote: So each time you have an amalgam removed(I have 4 appts scheduled to take care of all mine) should you take cilantro or just chlorella? How much/how often? Any substitutes for chlorella? Thanks Marcy > > > > > > > I had a Nutrition Response Test done last week and went back > > for my > > > > results... > > > > > > > > The body scan showed two brain stressors: > > > > Mercury and parasites > > > > > > > > She recommended Tinture of Cilantro > > > > > > > > My question is this, as someone who is considering using iodine > > > > (for nodules) doesn't iodine detox mercury, too? > > > > Weighing my options at this point... > > > > > > > > Thank you! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 Iodine does not chelate mercury simply because it cannot. It doesn't have the right chemistry to bind to the mercury and do anything to it. Iodine has worked wonders for me in every way and I am still mercury toxic, so I know it is not moving mercury around. ALA is a potent mercury chelator (as is DMSA). It binds to the mercury and moves it around. The problem with taking ALA without following the Andy Cutler protocol ( group frequent-dose-chelation for explicit instructions) is that, if one takes too much at one time -- 250mg is A LOT -- the ALA will move A LOT of mercury around. If you move more mercury around than your body can get rid of, that mercury will simply settle someplace else... where it can possibly do more damage than where it was to begin with. If you are not well and don't exercise vigorously and/or sauna, which helps with mercury removal, the mercury is mostly simply moving and not leaving. It leaves thru poop, pee and sweat. Those functions all need to be working! Take your chelator appropriately in relation to your body's ability to get rid of it. 250mg of ALA moves a lot around and ALA crosses the blood/brain barrier so it is moving ALA either from or around or even TO your brain. None of the fitness books address this because, I'm assuming, they are unaware of it. We just bought the 4 Hour Body for my son and Ferris loves his ALA. No mention of it being a (dangerous) chelator. If you have amalgams, ALA will definitely pull that mercury out into your body. The Cutler protocol (he's a chemist and a scientist) is hard on this point: no chelating until amalgams are removed. And ALA is so potent, you must not chelate with it until the amalgams have been gone for 3 months minumum. When I had my amalgams out a couple of years ago, I took activated charcoal to mop up any that had made it to my stomach. I'm sure that helped, but -- big but -- I did not have my amalgams removed " safely " and later I got VERY sick. Even after people warned me, I ignored them. Wish I had listened. Today, I would advise taking every precaution. Even if your dentist does not do " safe " removals, rent an oxygen tank and take that with you so you are getting oxygen and not mercury vapors -- I'd tape up my nose and NOT breathe thru my mouth. I'd also make sure the dentist used a dam so as little as possible got down my throat. I'm sure there is more to do, but that is the minimum I'd recommend. Sally I had a Nutrition Response Test done last week and went back for my results... The body scan showed two brain stressors: Mercury and parasites She recommended Tinture of Cilantro My question is this, as someone who is considering using iodine(for nodules) doesn't iodine detox mercury, too? Weighing my options at this point... Thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 I hope people on this forum who are interested in what iodine may or may not do re: mercury will do a simple google search for "iodine chelates mercury." I am not saying I know, one way or the other. I'm suggesting that at this point in time no one knows as there are few facts and many theories. The argument has been raging for a long time, and as confusing as it may be, you'll be better off if you understand the different points of view before you make any decisions. On 1/23/2011 8:24 AM, sally_ooh wrote: Iodine does not chelate mercury simply because it cannot. It doesn't have the right chemistry to bind to the mercury and do anything to it. Iodine has worked wonders for me in every way and I am still mercury toxic, so I know it is not moving mercury around. ALA is a potent mercury chelator (as is DMSA). It binds to the mercury and moves it around. The problem with taking ALA without following the Andy Cutler protocol ( group frequent-dose-chelation for explicit instructions) is that, if one takes too much at one time -- 250mg is A LOT -- the ALA will move A LOT of mercury around. If you move more mercury around than your body can get rid of, that mercury will simply settle someplace else... where it can possibly do more damage than where it was to begin with. If you are not well and don't exercise vigorously and/or sauna, which helps with mercury removal, the mercury is mostly simply moving and not leaving. It leaves thru poop, pee and sweat. Those functions all need to be working! Take your chelator appropriately in relation to your body's ability to get rid of it. 250mg of ALA moves a lot around and ALA crosses the blood/brain barrier so it is moving ALA either from or around or even TO your brain. None of the fitness books address this because, I'm assuming, they are unaware of it. We just bought the 4 Hour Body for my son and Ferris loves his ALA. No mention of it being a (dangerous) chelator. If you have amalgams, ALA will definitely pull that mercury out into your body. The Cutler protocol (he's a chemist and a scientist) is hard on this point: no chelating until amalgams are removed. And ALA is so potent, you must not chelate with it until the amalgams have been gone for 3 months minumum. When I had my amalgams out a couple of years ago, I took activated charcoal to mop up any that had made it to my stomach. I'm sure that helped, but -- big but -- I did not have my amalgams removed "safely" and later I got VERY sick. Even after people warned me, I ignored them. Wish I had listened. Today, I would advise taking every precaution. Even if your dentist does not do "safe" removals, rent an oxygen tank and take that with you so you are getting oxygen and not mercury vapors -- I'd tape up my nose and NOT breathe thru my mouth. I'd also make sure the dentist used a dam so as little as possible got down my throat. I'm sure there is more to do, but that is the minimum I'd recommend. Sally I had a Nutrition Response Test done last week and went back for my results... The body scan showed two brain stressors: Mercury and parasites She recommended Tinture of Cilantro My question is this, as someone who is considering using iodine(for nodules) doesn't iodine detox mercury, too? Weighing my options at this point... Thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 Anne, if you are about to have your amalgams removed, your best bet is to join the related (frequent-dose-chelation, adult-metal-chelation), and learn a lot more before actually having the amalgams out. /Nara > > > > > > > > > > > I had a Nutrition Response Test done last week and went back > > > > for my > > > > > > results... > > > > > > > > > > > > The body scan showed two brain stressors: > > > > > > Mercury and parasites > > > > > > > > > > > > She recommended Tinture of Cilantro > > > > > > > > > > > > My question is this, as someone who is considering using > > iodine > > > > > > (for nodules) doesn't iodine detox mercury, too? > > > > > > Weighing my options at this point... > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 Well, I never claimed that iodine CHELATED mercury, & I agree with you that it does not. However, Dr. Brownstein shows on a Youtube video that at least some patients can experience greatly increased mercury excretion when they go on the iodine protocol. It can potentially change your mercury status -- though not by chelation, per se. Nobody has really explained the mechanism at work. My working assumption is that the entire protocol improves the body's natural ability to excrete a variety of toxins. (And that doesn't even necessarily have to be because of the iodine itself. Some people have never taken vitamin C before they start the protocol, & vitamin C is known to help with detox. It is possible that for some people the C promotes increased detox.) Detox can occur without chelation. Healthy people can detox a certain amount of mercury without a chelator. The body is designed to try to eliminate toxins when it is able. I suspect that if you get all the detox pathways opened up & maximized, you will get better mercury excretion without a chelator.I have seen a few reports of people combining the iodine protocol with another detox protocol & experiencing some uncomfortable detox symptoms. I think in all cases, these are pretty toxic folks. But many of us are here because we are pretty toxic. Anything you do to increase any form of detox can work synergistically with something else. Sometimes you can combine things without realizing that they are both/all promoting detox.As for Cutler, I have personal acquaintances who suffered significant lasting harm as a result of the Cutler protocol -- including one woman who hired him as a consultant & KNOWS that she was following the protocol correctly. I have never heard of any chelation or detox protocol that didn't cause problems for somebody. No matter which guru you follow, you need to listen to your body. Even if a protocol works for 99.9% of the people, if it doesn't work for you, you can suffer. While I am happy for everyone who has benefited from Cutler's protocol, I am distressed that they promote it as the Only True Way. Because some people get sicker on it, & stick with it longer than they should, because they believe it is the One True Way. I know a man who spent several years on Cutler's list, & was very distressed to see negative comments about the protocol censored & removed from the archive. (He was one of the people who got sicker on the Cutler protocol. You will not hear his story on Cutler's list.) He has said that this censorship prevents people from realizing how many times the protocol does not work for some people. This is not to trash Cutler. Clearly, he has helped people. But is disingenuous to claim that nobody was ever harmed by the protocol.I have been on several lists where somebody stated Cutler's stand on ALA, only to get MANY responses for people who successfully used ALA in all the ways that Cutler describes as wrong, & had good results. Many practitioners recommend ALA for liver support, even in people who still have fillings, & even in a single daily dose, & get good results. I am not personally recommending that, but feel that it is worth mentioning to people so they can approach ANY detox regimen with appropriate caution.It also bears repeating that chelation & detox are not always the same thing. Chelation is one form of detox, but detox can, in some situations, occur without formal chelation.AnneOn Jan 23, 2011, at 8:24 AM, sally_ooh wrote: Iodine does not chelate mercury simply because it cannot. It doesn't have the right chemistry to bind to the mercury and do anything to it. Iodine has worked wonders for me in every way and I am still mercury toxic, so I know it is not moving mercury around. ALA is a potent mercury chelator (as is DMSA). It binds to the mercury and moves it around. The problem with taking ALA without following the Andy Cutler protocol ( group frequent-dose-chelation for explicit instructions) is that, if one takes too much at one time -- 250mg is A LOT -- the ALA will move A LOT of mercury around. If you move more mercury around than your body can get rid of, that mercury will simply settle someplace else... where it can possibly do more damage than where it was to begin with. If you are not well and don't exercise vigorously and/or sauna, which helps with mercury removal, the mercury is mostly simply moving and not leaving. It leaves thru poop, pee and sweat. Those functions all need to be working! Take your chelator appropriately in relation to your body's ability to get rid of it. 250mg of ALA moves a lot around and ALA crosses the blood/brain barrier so it is moving ALA either from or around or even TO your brain. None of the fitness books address this because, I'm assuming, they are unaware of it. We just bought the 4 Hour Body for my son and Ferris loves his ALA. No mention of it being a (dangerous) chelator. If you have amalgams, ALA will definitely pull that mercury out into your body. The Cutler protocol (he's a chemist and a scientist) is hard on this point: no chelating until amalgams are removed. And ALA is so potent, you must not chelate with it until the amalgams have been gone for 3 months minumum. When I had my amalgams out a couple of years ago, I took activated charcoal to mop up any that had made it to my stomach. I'm sure that helped, but -- big but -- I did not have my amalgams removed "safely" and later I got VERY sick. Even after people warned me, I ignored them. Wish I had listened. Today, I would advise taking every precaution. Even if your dentist does not do "safe" removals, rent an oxygen tank and take that with you so you are getting oxygen and not mercury vapors -- I'd tape up my nose and NOT breathe thru my mouth. I'd also make sure the dentist used a dam so as little as possible got down my throat. I'm sure there is more to do, but that is the minimum I'd recommend. Sally I had a Nutrition Response Test done last week and went back for my results... The body scan showed two brain stressors: Mercury and parasites She recommended Tinture of Cilantro My question is this, as someone who is considering using iodine(for nodules) doesn't iodine detox mercury, too? Weighing my options at this point... Thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 These are both Cutler groups, & as I have stated before, I do not ascribe to the Cutler protocol, nor recommend it to others. Nor do I consider it to necessarily be everybody's best bet. For some people, it may be; for others, it definitely is not.My amalgams are long gone; the mercury is not. (Marcy was the one with questions.) As an autism mom, I have observed a lot of folks working with chelation, & have seen successes & failures with EVERY method discussed, including Cutler. My primary recommendation is always that everybody use extreme caution, no matter which protocol they attempt, & to back off from anything that makes you feel worse. My focus, at this time, is to improve my detox pathways as much as possible, & work on general detox. I pulse-dose with OSR (which is no longer on the market & is severely dissed by Cutler), but am focussing on the iodine protocol for the moment. Both protocols together made us feel GREAT for a few days, & then seemed to promote over-detox. I do not advocate this to anybody else. This is the approach that seems to work for us, at the moment. Iodine is indisputably detoxing SOMETHING, & whatever is detoxing at the moment is as much as I want to handle at the moment. AnneOn Jan 23, 2011, at 12:38 PM, Nara wrote: Anne, if you are about to have your amalgams removed, your best bet is to join the related (frequent-dose-chelation, adult-metal-chelation), and learn a lot more before actually having the amalgams out. /Nara > > > > > > > > > > > I had a Nutrition Response Test done last week and went back > > > > for my > > > > > > results... > > > > > > > > > > > > The body scan showed two brain stressors: > > > > > > Mercury and parasites > > > > > > > > > > > > She recommended Tinture of Cilantro > > > > > > > > > > > > My question is this, as someone who is considering using > > iodine > > > > > > (for nodules) doesn't iodine detox mercury, too? > > > > > > Weighing my options at this point... > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 Anne, I highly agree with you. I still have amalgams and am a 10 year stage III colon cancer survivor. I performed a lot of detoxification strategies. Several were for heavy metals even while amalgams were still in my mouth. Mercury and/or amalgam removal is not always a good idea -- depending on the health of the individual and the disease they may be trying to heal from. Sometimes amalgam removal (no matter what protocol is used) can worsen one’s health and for those that already have a compromised body, this can make the healing process much, much longer.Be WellDr.LFrom: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of Anne SealsSent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 4:39 PMiodine Subject: Re: Re: Mercury These are both Cutler groups, & as I have stated before, I do not ascribe to the Cutler protocol, nor recommend it to others. Nor do I consider it to necessarily be everybody's best bet. For some people, it may be; for others, it definitely is not. My amalgams are long gone; the mercury is not. (Marcy was the one with questions.) As an autism mom, I have observed a lot of folks working with chelation, & have seen successes & failures with EVERY method discussed, including Cutler. My primary recommendation is always that everybody use extreme caution, no matter which protocol they attempt, & to back off from anything that makes you feel worse. My focus, at this time, is to improve my detox pathways as much as possible, & work on general detox. I pulse-dose with OSR (which is no longer on the market & is severely dissed by Cutler), but am focussing on the iodine protocol for the moment. Both protocols together made us feel GREAT for a few days, & then seemed to promote over-detox. I do not advocate this to anybody else. This is the approach that seems to work for us, at the moment. Iodine is indisputably detoxing SOMETHING, & whatever is detoxing at the moment is as much as I want to handle at the moment. Anne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 I agree with you 100% on all points. I don't know anyone hurt by Cutler's protocol but of course there are some. My main point that I guess I didn't make very well was exactly what you said: That our bodies are designed to stay healthy including getting rid of toxins via natural excretion processes. The healthier I am -- and iodine has been a miracle for me -- the more my body is able to detox from everything and recover with less and less blowback. Sally P.S. There is also a group called adult-metal-chelation that discusses other chelation methods. Would be interested in hearing of any more on the OT-iodine group. I think the danger of any chelation protocol is greater for the more mercury-toxic and unhealthy among us. Well, I never claimed that iodine CHELATED mercury, & I agree with you that it does not. However, Dr. Brownstein shows on a Youtube video that at least some patients can experience greatly increased mercury excretion when they go on the iodine protocol. It can potentially change your mercury status -- though not by chelation, per se. Nobody has really explained the mechanism at work. My working assumption is that the entire protocol improves the body's natural ability to excrete a variety of toxins. (And that doesn't even necessarily have to be because of the iodine itself. Some people have never taken vitamin C before they start the protocol, & vitamin C is known to help with detox. It is possible that for some people the C promotes increased detox.) Detox can occur without chelation. Healthy people can detox a certain amount of mercury without a chelator. The body is designed to try to eliminate toxins when it is able. I suspect that if you get all the detox pathways opened up & maximized, you will get better mercury excretion without a chelator. I have seen a few reports of people combining the iodine protocol with another detox protocol & experiencing some uncomfortable detox symptoms. I think in all cases, these are pretty toxic folks. But many of us are here because we are pretty toxic. Anything you do to increase any form of detox can work synergistically with something else. Sometimes you can combine things without realizing that they are both/all promoting detox. As for Cutler, I have personal acquaintances who suffered significant lasting harm as a result of the Cutler protocol -- including one woman who hired him as a consultant & KNOWS that she was following the protocol correctly. I have never heard of any chelation or detox protocol that didn't cause problems for somebody. No matter which guru you follow, you need to listen to your body. Even if a protocol works for 99.9% of the people, if it doesn't work for you, you can suffer. While I am happy for everyone who has benefited from Cutler's protocol, I am distressed that they promote it as the Only True Way. Because some people get sicker on it, & stick with it longer than they should, because they believe it is the One True Way. I know a man who spent several years on Cutler's list, & was very distressed to see negative comments about the protocol censored & removed from the archive. (He was one of the people who got sicker on the Cutler protocol. You will not hear his story on Cutler's list.) He has said that this censorship prevents people from realizing how many times the protocol does not work for some people. This is not to trash Cutler. Clearly, he has helped people. But is disingenuous to claim that nobody was ever harmed by the protocol. I have been on several lists where somebody stated Cutler's stand on ALA, only to get MANY responses for people who successfully used ALA in all the ways that Cutler describes as wrong, & had good results. Many practitioners recommend ALA for liver support, even in people who still have fillings, & even in a single daily dose, & get good results. I am not personally recommending that, but feel that it is worth mentioning to people so they can approach ANY detox regimen with appropriate caution. It also bears repeating that chelation & detox are not always the same thing. Chelation is one form of detox, but detox can, in some situations, occur without formal chelation. Anne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2011 Report Share Posted January 23, 2011 I have amalgams and had considered removing them, but I wondered the same thing. I believe it is also very costly and something we are not in the position to do financially right now. Thank you for your valuable information. What a blessing and so wonderful that you are a cancer survivor!! Lori Re: Re: Mercury These are both Cutler groups, & as I have stated before, I do not ascribe to the Cutler protocol, nor recommend it to others. Nor do I consider it to necessarily be everybody's best bet. For some people, it may be; for others, it definitely is not. My amalgams are long gone; the mercury is not. (Marcy was the one with questions.) As an autism mom, I have observed a lot of folks working with chelation, & have seen successes & failures with EVERY method discussed, including Cutler. My primary recommendation is always that everybody use extreme caution, no matter which protocol they attempt, & to back off from anything that makes you feel worse. My focus, at this time, is to improve my detox pathways as much as possible, & work on general detox. I pulse-dose with OSR (which is no longer on the market & is severely dissed by Cutler), but am focussing on the iodine protocol for the moment. Both protocols together made us feel GREAT for a few days, & then seemed to promote over-detox. I do not advocate this to anybody else. This is the approach that seems to work for us, at the moment. Iodine is indisputably detoxing SOMETHING, & whatever is detoxing at the moment is as much as I want to handle at the moment. Anne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 I appreciate hearing that coming from both of you ladies. It is encouraging and good to know we move on whether we have fillings or not and the good Lord will work it all out somehow. He allows us the trials. Bless you!Tammy On Jan 23, 2011, at 5:43 PM, "Dr. Loretta Lanphier" <drlanphier@...> wrote: Anne, I highly agree with you. I still have amalgams and am a 10 year stage III colon cancer survivor. I performed a lot of detoxification strategies. Several were for heavy metals even while amalgams were still in my mouth. Mercury and/or amalgam removal is not always a good idea -- depending on the health of the individual and the disease they may be trying to heal from. Sometimes amalgam removal (no matter what protocol is used) can worsen one’s health and for those that already have a compromised body, this can make the healing process much, much longer.Be WellDr.LFrom: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of Anne SealsSent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 4:39 PMiodine Subject: Re: Re: Mercury These are both Cutler groups, & as I have stated before, I do not ascribe to the Cutler protocol, nor recommend it to others. Nor do I consider it to necessarily be everybody's best bet. For some people, it may be; for others, it definitely is not. My amalgams are long gone; the mercury is not. (Marcy was the one with questions.) As an autism mom, I have observed a lot of folks working with chelation, & have seen successes & failures with EVERY method discussed, including Cutler. My primary recommendation is always that everybody use extreme caution, no matter which protocol they attempt, & to back off from anything that makes you feel worse. My focus, at this time, is to improve my detox pathways as much as possible, & work on general detox. I pulse-dose with OSR (which is no longer on the market & is severely dissed by Cutler), but am focussing on the iodine protocol for the moment. Both protocols together made us feel GREAT for a few days, & then seemed to promote over-detox. I do not advocate this to anybody else. This is the approach that seems to work for us, at the moment. Iodine is indisputably detoxing SOMETHING, & whatever is detoxing at the moment is as much as I want to handle at the moment. Anne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2011 Report Share Posted January 25, 2011 And Sally, by "ALA" you mean Alpha Lipoic Acid?You have posted a very useful information. Thanks.----------------Ratan Singh, Phone: 91 141 2652561, mail: ratanpsych@...- Certificate in Food & Nutrition; Diploma in Nutrition and Health Education; Life Member, Nutrion Soc. India.- Member ISOM; Author of "Nutrition & Supplements in Major Mental Illnesses";- M.A. (Psychol), Postgraduate Diploma in Medical & Social Psychology, Ph.D.;- Certified Behavior Therapist (from late Prof. J. Wolpe's Unit, Temple Univ Med School, USA);- www.RegainMentalHealth.com/ www.ejcbs.com--- On Sun, 1/23/11, sally_ooh <sally@...> wrote:From: sally_ooh <sally@...>Subject: Re: Mercuryiodine Date: Sunday, January 23, 2011, 9:54 PM Iodine does not chelate mercury simply because it cannot. It doesn't have the right chemistry to bind to the mercury and do anything to it. Iodine has worked wonders for me in every way and I am still mercury toxic, so I know it is not moving mercury around. ALA is a potent mercury chelator (as is DMSA). It binds to the mercury and moves it around. The problem with taking ALA without following the Andy Cutler protocol ( group frequent-dose-chelation for explicit instructions) is that, if one takes too much at one time -- 250mg is A LOT -- the ALA will move A LOT of mercury around. If you move more mercury around than your body can get rid of, that mercury will simply settle someplace else... where it can possibly do more damage than where it was to begin with. If you are not well and don't exercise vigorously and/or sauna, which helps with mercury removal, the mercury is mostly simply moving and not leaving. It leaves thru poop, pee and sweat. Those functions all need to be working! Take your chelator appropriately in relation to your body's ability to get rid of it. 250mg of ALA moves a lot around and ALA crosses the blood/brain barrier so it is moving ALA either from or around or even TO your brain. None of the fitness books address this because, I'm assuming, they are unaware of it. We just bought the 4 Hour Body for my son and Ferris loves his ALA. No mention of it being a (dangerous) chelator. If you have amalgams, ALA will definitely pull that mercury out into your body. The Cutler protocol (he's a chemist and a scientist) is hard on this point: no chelating until amalgams are removed. And ALA is so potent, you must not chelate with it until the amalgams have been gone for 3 months minumum. When I had my amalgams out a couple of years ago, I took activated charcoal to mop up any that had made it to my stomach. I'm sure that helped, but -- big but -- I did not have my amalgams removed "safely" and later I got VERY sick. Even after people warned me, I ignored them. Wish I had listened. Today, I would advise taking every precaution. Even if your dentist does not do "safe" removals, rent an oxygen tank and take that with you so you are getting oxygen and not mercury vapors -- I'd tape up my nose and NOT breathe thru my mouth. I'd also make sure the dentist used a dam so as little as possible got down my throat. I'm sure there is more to do, but that is the minimum I'd recommend. Sally I had a Nutrition Response Test done last week and went back for my results... The body scan showed two brain stressors: Mercury and parasites She recommended Tinture of Cilantro My question is this, as someone who is considering using iodine(for nodules) doesn't iodine detox mercury, too? Weighing my options at this point... Thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2011 Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 Thank you to everyone who responded to me.. What is interesting to me is I bought Alpha Lipoic Acid (100mg w/300mg biotin) because I have high liver enzymes (not sure if from gallbladder removal in July or something else) and it was suggested to me along with milk thistle... I had no idea it was a chealtor of mercury until after I started taking it... I took it for a week 2xs per day and by the end of the week I had a migraine- I had more energy than I have ever had for the first two days then I started feeling just yucky.. I never put two and two together.. It is NICE to know that iodine does not chelate mercury. I have three amalgam fillings, two crowns and one root canal. I am debating looking into removal of the fillings. I just want to feel better... I know- who doesn't. I decided against the cilantro, stopped the ALA after the migraine and still have my bottle of iodine ready to go... Lori > > > > I had a Nutrition Response Test done last week and went back for my results... > > > > The body scan showed two brain stressors: Mercury and parasites > > > > She recommended Tinture of Cilantro > > > > My question is this, as someone who is considering using iodine(for nodules) doesn't iodine detox mercury, too? > > > > Weighing my options at this point... > > > > Thank you! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2011 Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 Hi Lori--- I was just reading about this tonight and I want mine out too. I don't believe my insurance will pay a cent unless they are loose or cracked. How do you loosen them? j/k I have had two removed in the past due to pieces of the filling dislodging. OMG. Yes, I would find little pieces of the fillings on my tongue. It had cracked. So two down, four to go. Yow. (I had been taking ALA while dieting last year. I felt awful and thought it was the diet! My migraines were at full speed during that time, too.) So as for care until they are removed-- saunas? No hot liquids? Would oil pulling be a good idea? Should I still see my hygienist? Just the thought of scraping and polishing is frightening. Are you scheduled to have yours removed? All at once? ~~~Barb > > > > > > > > I had a Nutrition Response Test done last week and went back for my results... > > > > > > > > The body scan showed two brain stressors: Mercury and parasites > > > > > > > > She recommended Tinture of Cilantro > > > > > > > > My question is this, as someone who is considering using iodine(for nodules) doesn't iodine detox mercury, too? > > > > > > > > Weighing my options at this point... > > > > > > > > Thank you! > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 I am mystified, why would you not want the mercury chelated? You will never be rid of your health issues until it is gone. Of course doing it the right way is needed to prevent redistribution. Mercury is not an essential part of the human body! > > > > > > > > I am not really qualified to answer this question. For what it is worth, I would not take cilantro till all the amalgams are gone, but I would take chlorella & /or modified citrus pectin continuously until several months after the fillings are gone. (My sense is that they are more passive, & mop up mercury that is released without forcing any to be released.) And I would gradually add cilantro to the mix after the last one is out. > > > > > > > > I would also increase antioxidants as much as possible -- particularly vitamin C. I am a fan of liposomal C, which you can make at home & take in large quantities without gut problems. (Alpha lipoic acid is supposed to be a big help with chelation, but some people feel ill taking it, & some people don't, & some can only take it once every 4 hours to prevent redistribution.) > > > > > > > > As I recall, you haven't started the iodine protocol yet, but are planning to. I am one of the cowardly folks that started with a really low dose of iodine & worked her way up. You could do that at the same time, I think. The iodine protocol helps with detox, as long as you take the companion nutrients. There are stronger chelators that I would hesitate to combine with starting the iodine protocol, but if you are sticking with the herbals, I think you could. Just pay attention, & back off if you have any uncomfortable detox symptoms. > > > > > > > > But as I say, I am totally unqualified to advise you, & am just giving you my best guess. There are a lot of variables, & a lot of conflicting theories. > > > > > > > > Anne > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 One reason you might decide against chelation is if you have antibodies to mercury. In this case, you're running a pretty high risk of a bad adverse reaction. Mercury does horrendous things to the immune system as well as to the metabolism and nervous system. > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not really qualified to answer this question. For what it is worth, I would not take cilantro till all the amalgams are gone, but I would take chlorella & /or modified citrus pectin continuously until several months after the fillings are gone. (My sense is that they are more passive, & mop up mercury that is released without forcing any to be released.) And I would gradually add cilantro to the mix after the last one is out. > > > > > > > > > > > > I would also increase antioxidants as much as possible -- particularly vitamin C. I am a fan of liposomal C, which you can make at home & take in large quantities without gut problems. (Alpha lipoic acid is supposed to be a big help with chelation, but some people feel ill taking it, & some people don't, & some can only take it once every 4 hours to prevent redistribution.) > > > > > > > > > > > > As I recall, you haven't started the iodine protocol yet, but are planning to. I am one of the cowardly folks that started with a really low dose of iodine & worked her way up. You could do that at the same time, I think. The iodine protocol helps with detox, as long as you take the companion nutrients. There are stronger chelators that I would hesitate to combine with starting the iodine protocol, but if you are sticking with the herbals, I think you could. Just pay attention, & back off if you have any uncomfortable detox symptoms. > > > > > > > > > > > > But as I say, I am totally unqualified to advise you, & am just giving you my best guess. There are a lot of variables, & a lot of conflicting theories. > > > > > > > > > > > > Anne > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 As soon as I have mine removed - I am getting rid of this mercury as soon as possible. Until then, BRING ON THE SAUNAS! YES! (oh, and NO hot drinks...maybe have hygienist not touch the amalgams - clean around them, do not take ALA, cilantro, etc. There really isn't much one can do until they are removed. They - FDA, ADA, et.al. should come up with something. Financial assistance with removal for those testing positive to mercury, perhaps? ~~~Barb> > > > > > > > > > > > I am not really qualified to answer this question. For what it is worth, I would not take cilantro till all the amalgams are gone, but I would take chlorella & /or modified citrus pectin continuously until several months after the fillings are gone. (My sense is that they are more passive, & mop up mercury that is released without forcing any to be released.) And I would gradually add cilantro to the mix after the last one is out.> > > > > > > > > > > > I would also increase antioxidants as much as possible -- particularly vitamin C. I am a fan of liposomal C, which you can make at home & take in large quantities without gut problems. (Alpha lipoic acid is supposed to be a big help with chelation, but some people feel ill taking it, & some people don't, & some can only take it once every 4 hours to prevent redistribution.)> > > > > > > > > > > > As I recall, you haven't started the iodine protocol yet, but are planning to. I am one of the cowardly folks that started with a really low dose of iodine & worked her way up. You could do that at the same time, I think. The iodine protocol helps with detox, as long as you take the companion nutrients. There are stronger chelators that I would hesitate to combine with starting the iodine protocol, but if you are sticking with the herbals, I think you could. Just pay attention, & back off if you have any uncomfortable detox symptoms.> > > > > > > > > > > > But as I say, I am totally unqualified to advise you, & am just giving you my best guess. There are a lot of variables, & a lot of conflicting theories.> > > > > > > > > > > > Anne> > > > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 Why should we not take cilantro for mercury? It's very good at removing heavy metals from your system. I'm curious.ArielOn Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 12:59 PM, mzookiej <rubarb78@...> wrote:  As soon as I have mine removed - I am getting rid of this mercury as soon as possible. Until then, BRING ON THE SAUNAS! YES! (oh, and NO hot drinks...maybe have hygienist not touch the amalgams - clean around them, do not take ALA, cilantro, etc. There really isn't much one can do until they are removed. They - FDA, ADA, et.al. should come up with something. Financial assistance with removal for those testing positive to mercury, perhaps? ~~~Barb > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not really qualified to answer this question. For what it is worth, I would not take cilantro till all the amalgams are gone, but I would take chlorella & /or modified citrus pectin continuously until several months after the fillings are gone. (My sense is that they are more passive, & mop up mercury that is released without forcing any to be released.) And I would gradually add cilantro to the mix after the last one is out. > > > > > > > > > > > > I would also increase antioxidants as much as possible -- particularly vitamin C. I am a fan of liposomal C, which you can make at home & take in large quantities without gut problems. (Alpha lipoic acid is supposed to be a big help with chelation, but some people feel ill taking it, & some people don't, & some can only take it once every 4 hours to prevent redistribution.) > > > > > > > > > > > > As I recall, you haven't started the iodine protocol yet, but are planning to. I am one of the cowardly folks that started with a really low dose of iodine & worked her way up. You could do that at the same time, I think. The iodine protocol helps with detox, as long as you take the companion nutrients. There are stronger chelators that I would hesitate to combine with starting the iodine protocol, but if you are sticking with the herbals, I think you could. Just pay attention, & back off if you have any uncomfortable detox symptoms. > > > > > > > > > > > > But as I say, I am totally unqualified to advise you, & am just giving you my best guess. There are a lot of variables, & a lot of conflicting theories. > > > > > > > > > > > > Anne> > > > > >> -- Ariel MonserratPublisher & Managing EditorGreen Egg zinewww.greeneggzine.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 Do a search for "cilantro, blood-brain barrier" and gather some info.Joan Why should we not take cilantro for mercury? It's very good at removing heavy metals from your system. I'm curious.ArielOn Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 12:59 PM, mzookiej <rubarb78@...> wrote: As soon as I have mine removed - I am getting rid of this mercury as soon as possible. Until then, BRING ON THE SAUNAS! YES! (oh, and NO hot drinks...maybe have hygienist not touch the amalgams - clean around them, do not take ALA, cilantro, etc. There really isn't much one can do until they are removed. They - FDA, ADA, et.al. should come up with something. Financial assistance with removal for those testing positive to mercury, perhaps? ~~~Barb>> I am mystified, why would you not want the mercury chelated? > You will never be rid of your health issues until it is gone.> Of course doing it the right way is needed to prevent redistribution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 You should especially not take cilantro if you have fillings in. The chelator will be present in your saliva (as well as all your body fluids) and easily help pull mercury out of your fillings as well. Mercury has an extremely high affinity for living tissue, and all chelators will pick up a lot of mercury but only excrete a little of that, and the rest will redistribute this to your body. There is a chelation protocol called frequent dose chelation that keeps blood levels of chelators somewhat constant so you remove more mercury than you redistribute. Mercury chelation is an intensely debated subject though, some of us think frequent dose chelation is the safest way, and I became a believer after things like chlorella and cilantro only made me sicker over time and I have made a lot of improvement (slow but steady) using frequent dose chelation with Alpha Lipoic Acid. Sorry, I know this is getting off topic. I do think proper chelation can possibly make a big difference in people who haven't fully recovered using just the iodine protocol. I know both helped me tremendously but I still have a ways to go. - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not really qualified to answer this question. For what it is > > worth, I would not take cilantro till all the amalgams are gone, but I would > > take chlorella & /or modified citrus pectin continuously until several months > > after the fillings are gone. (My sense is that they are more passive, & mop > > up mercury that is released without forcing any to be released.) And I would > > gradually add cilantro to the mix after the last one is out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would also increase antioxidants as much as possible -- > > particularly vitamin C. I am a fan of liposomal C, which you can make at > > home & take in large quantities without gut problems. (Alpha lipoic acid is > > supposed to be a big help with chelation, but some people feel ill taking > > it, & some people don't, & some can only take it once every 4 hours to > > prevent redistribution.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As I recall, you haven't started the iodine protocol yet, but are > > planning to. I am one of the cowardly folks that started with a really low > > dose of iodine & worked her way up. You could do that at the same time, I > > think. The iodine protocol helps with detox, as long as you take the > > companion nutrients. There are stronger chelators that I would hesitate to > > combine with starting the iodine protocol, but if you are sticking with the > > herbals, I think you could. Just pay attention, & back off if you have any > > uncomfortable detox symptoms. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But as I say, I am totally unqualified to advise you, & am just > > giving you my best guess. There are a lot of variables, & a lot of > > conflicting theories. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anne > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Ariel Monserrat > Publisher & Managing Editor > Green Egg zine > www.greeneggzine.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 Thanks for the info. I would like to add that several dentists have told my husband that the mercury in fillings leaches out after 10 yrs and is in your body already. This was quite some time ago, though, and they are always discovering new things. Interesting that iodine does not chelate merucy, good to know.ArielOn Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 3:47 PM, <gdawson6@...> wrote: Â You should especially not take cilantro if you have fillings in. The chelator will be present in your saliva (as well as all your body fluids) and easily help pull mercury out of your fillings as well. Mercury has an extremely high affinity for living tissue, and all chelators will pick up a lot of mercury but only excrete a little of that, and the rest will redistribute this to your body. There is a chelation protocol called frequent dose chelation that keeps blood levels of chelators somewhat constant so you remove more mercury than you redistribute. Mercury chelation is an intensely debated subject though, some of us think frequent dose chelation is the safest way, and I became a believer after things like chlorella and cilantro only made me sicker over time and I have made a lot of improvement (slow but steady) using frequent dose chelation with Alpha Lipoic Acid. Sorry, I know this is getting off topic. I do think proper chelation can possibly make a big difference in people who haven't fully recovered using just the iodine protocol. I know both helped me tremendously but I still have a ways to go. - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not really qualified to answer this question. For what it is > > worth, I would not take cilantro till all the amalgams are gone, but I would > > take chlorella & /or modified citrus pectin continuously until several months > > after the fillings are gone. (My sense is that they are more passive, & mop > > up mercury that is released without forcing any to be released.) And I would > > gradually add cilantro to the mix after the last one is out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would also increase antioxidants as much as possible -- > > particularly vitamin C. I am a fan of liposomal C, which you can make at > > home & take in large quantities without gut problems. (Alpha lipoic acid is > > supposed to be a big help with chelation, but some people feel ill taking > > it, & some people don't, & some can only take it once every 4 hours to > > prevent redistribution.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As I recall, you haven't started the iodine protocol yet, but are > > planning to. I am one of the cowardly folks that started with a really low > > dose of iodine & worked her way up. You could do that at the same time, I > > think. The iodine protocol helps with detox, as long as you take the > > companion nutrients. There are stronger chelators that I would hesitate to > > combine with starting the iodine protocol, but if you are sticking with the > > herbals, I think you could. Just pay attention, & back off if you have any > > uncomfortable detox symptoms. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But as I say, I am totally unqualified to advise you, & am just > > giving you my best guess. There are a lot of variables, & a lot of > > conflicting theories. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anne > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Ariel Monserrat > Publisher & Managing Editor > Green Egg zine > www.greeneggzine.com > -- Ariel MonserratPublisher & Managing EditorGreen Egg zinewww.greeneggzine.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 The claim is that cilantro stirs it up, but doesn't escort it out of the body, so it just resettles. Many claim that chlorella should be taken with the cilantro to escort the mercury out of the body. But there is a LOT of conflicting stuff about mercury -- including whether or not iodine promotes its excretion.As to the urgent need to get rid of mercury, most of us would agree that you want it gone. But chelation/detox protocols can go VERY wrong. (Every protocol I have heard of has gone very wrong for somebody, & caused serious long-term harm.) You have to be cautious about trying to get rid of mercury. Even if it is making you sick now, it could make you a good deal sicker. You want to get toxins moving slowly enough that your excretion pathways can handle them.AnneOn Jan 29, 2011, at 11:45 AM, Ariel Monserrat wrote: Why should we not take cilantro for mercury? It's very good at removing heavy metals from your system. I'm curious.ArielOn Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 12:59 PM, mzookiej <rubarb78@...> wrote: As soon as I have mine removed - I am getting rid of this mercury as soon as possible. Until then, BRING ON THE SAUNAS! YES! (oh, and NO hot drinks...maybe have hygienist not touch the amalgams - clean around them, do not take ALA, cilantro, etc. There really isn't much one can do until they are removed. They - FDA, ADA, et.al. should come up with something. Financial assistance with removal for those testing positive to mercury, perhaps? ~~~Barb > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not really qualified to answer this question. For what it is worth, I would not take cilantro till all the amalgams are gone, but I would take chlorella & /or modified citrus pectin continuously until several months after the fillings are gone. (My sense is that they are more passive, & mop up mercury that is released without forcing any to be released.) And I would gradually add cilantro to the mix after the last one is out. > > > > > > > > > > > > I would also increase antioxidants as much as possible -- particularly vitamin C. I am a fan of liposomal C, which you can make at home & take in large quantities without gut problems. (Alpha lipoic acid is supposed to be a big help with chelation, but some people feel ill taking it, & some people don't, & some can only take it once every 4 hours to prevent redistribution.) > > > > > > > > > > > > As I recall, you haven't started the iodine protocol yet, but are planning to. I am one of the cowardly folks that started with a really low dose of iodine & worked her way up. You could do that at the same time, I think. The iodine protocol helps with detox, as long as you take the companion nutrients. There are stronger chelators that I would hesitate to combine with starting the iodine protocol, but if you are sticking with the herbals, I think you could. Just pay attention, & back off if you have any uncomfortable detox symptoms. > > > > > > > > > > > > But as I say, I am totally unqualified to advise you, & am just giving you my best guess. There are a lot of variables, & a lot of conflicting theories. > > > > > > > > > > > > Anne> > > > > >> -- Ariel MonserratPublisher & Managing EditorGreen Egg zinewww.greeneggzine.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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